The birther stuff is such a waste of time. When will the GOP wake up? When I say GOP – I mean a small small minority of people within the GOP. Anyone with half a brain understands the birther stuff is a joke. Doesn’t’ this kid know that it’s a gift to the obsessed left? Liberals love the birther stuff. They are obsessed with the birther stuff. They are running the tape recorders everywhere hoping to find birther stuff.
Do these idiots actually think Obama's mom flew to Kenya to give birth to Obama? I think they think Obama's father gave birth to Obama in Kenya. First penile birth in history! National Enquirer!
Usually the Republicans like to benefit from racism by dog-whistles with some plausible deniability. The problem with that is if you try to do it for long enough people start slipping up and are transparent about their racism.
Telling a black American to go back to Kenya, isn't birtherism, it's racism.
And a real profile in courage from everyone who sat around quietly while this kind of racism is being espoused. A special congratulations to Reince Priebus, as this is his Republican Party, so he might as well get to see the racism up close and personal.
Do these idiots actually think Obama's mom flew to Kenya to give birth to Obama?
It's about appealing to racists. It doesn't have to make sense.
They just want to pretend that Obama was ineligible to be President so that they can convince themselves that we never had a black President in America.
Andy the problem is you construe everything as racism. Disagree with Obama and his policies? –- You must be a racist. You didn’t vote for Obama? –- You must be a racist. Criticize Obama on any issue? -- You’re a racist.
I think birtherism is political opportunism and wishful thinking. Are all birthers racists? Perhaps some are, but again, I think it’s just wishful thinking and political laziness. The ineligibility argument comes up with John McCain and Marco Rubio. Is that racism?
Andy R: "Telling a black American to go back to Kenya, isn't birtherism, it's racism."
How about telling an Austrian-American to "go back to Austria"? If you Google that phrase + Schwarzenegger you get "About 12,600 results". I bet at least a few of the people telling him that are black. Does that make them racists? Or does that make Andy R. stupid?
Let's try the same with "go back to Canada" + Granholm. "About 12,100 results" for this. And no, they're not all innocent false positives, e.g. news stories saying that Granholm "plans to go back to Canada next month to see her grandma". The ones at the top of the page are Granholm-haters telling her, often with further insults, to go back to Canada.
Of course, there's no doubt that Granholm was born in Canada, and Schwarzenegger in Austria, but telling someone to go back to the country of his or her ancestors is not in fact racist, as Andy R. would know if he thought about it for one minute. Or perhaps he already knows that and is willing to lie for his cause. Hard to tell with Andy R.: is he more stupid than he is evil, or more evil than he is stupid?
No surprise to see garage and Andy panting and drooling over Republican "racism" in this thread rather than attempting to defend the Obama administration's Libya mess. Stay in your comfort zone, boys!
Based on his comments, I seriously doubt hatman could find Libya on a map.
Andy the problem is you construe everything as racism. Disagree with Obama and his policies? –- You must be a racist.
I do not believe this and I have never said it.
Telling a black American that he should go back to Kenya is racist.
It's racist even if he happened to have been born in Kenya, which Obama wasn't. Saying, "go back to Africa" to black Americans is a racist slur.
How many of the conservatives in this thread have every condemned the racism coming from the Republican Party? Ever? Is anyone in this thread condemning this example of racism?
All I ever see is complete denials that the Republicans Party has ever or could ever do anything racist.
Plus, this straw-man about how liberals accuse anyone who opposed Obama's policies of being racist. Which is a lie and is designed to distract from the real instances of racism that are being noted.
It's also annoying the way Ann treats this as a purely partisan squabble, which merely buys into the frame that the Republican Party has adopted.
Racism against black people in American is probably the single greatest sin of our country. From slavery, to Jim Crow, to today, where racism still exists in de facto forms. Racism is a great evil of our country, and we haven't eradicated it yet.
To Republicans, racism is a partisan matter that can be used for electoral benefit if it is likely to help. The downside of engaging in race-baiting is that it might cause an electoral backlash if it is too blatant, such as it was in this case. So in the Republican mind-set, Republican race-baiting is a winner if it taps into white racial resentment, and a loser if it turns off moderates, like Ann. There seems to be no awareness and concern about the real harm that is done by stoking racial resentment toward black people.
Ann has obviously adopted this mind-frame, as her reactions to Republican race-baiting have been in terms of whether or not it is likely to hurt Republicans. But telling a black American to go back to Kenya is bad for this country, irrespective of any political repercussions, and that's what shows the moral vacuity of today's Republican Party.
That a previous leader of the RNC could apologize for the Republican's strategy of racial polarization and then Preibus sit in the room while our President was told to go back to Kenya was more sad than surprising at this point.
Here's another piece of evidence: Google "go back to Panama" + McCain and you'll get "About 13,600 results". The fourth one calls him "Juan McCaino". So, Andy: is telling someone to go back where he was born, or to go back to the land of his ancestors, always racist? It's a simple yes-no question. Why can't you answer it?
Andy - you do realize Obama is the President of the United States and he won handily, with a large number of white people who voted for him. You do not realize that Democrats have a long history of racism.
Birther stuff? Unserious silliness. Got Racism? Read the whole thing before you launch into hysterics.
It depends on how you define racism, for one. We've had the conversation about what racism is before, I'm not sure it would be productive to revisit it in this thread.
It's definitely a bad thing to tell someone who is American to go back to some other country.
I think it happens more frequently to minorities than it does to white people, and I think it's more problematic when directed at minorities, in the way that calling Obama the n-word is more problematic than calling Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney a cracker.
April - the Republicans are the racist party because they get 55% of the white vote compared to the Democrats getting 95% of the black vote who are NOT racist.
No, we haven't had conversations about this before. We've had stupid monologic assertions from Andy that calling whites racially offensive terms like "cracker" is somehow OK and somehow not racist, or not as racist as using the word he won't even spell out.
Andy's the one who thinks some races are specially privileged: they can use racial insults against others, but others can't use racial insults against them. That is racism by definition, and Andy's a self-confessed racist.
Yes. Try calling one of the white people around where I live (the Shenandoah Valley) a "cracker". (Unlike many blacks with "the n-word", they don't even call themselves that, though they do call themselves rednecks.) If you do that, you will find yourself with fewer teeth after you said it than before. If you don't know how offensive that word is, you're a Goddamned fool who deserves to lose some teeth.
Andy - I will agree with you that telling someone to "go back to Africa" or "Go back to Kenya" is bad. I don't like it. The small minority of idiots who say such things are just that - a small minority of people who say such things. That said, this election is about bigger issues and, since the left would love to make this election about small things, I'm calling you on it. Also, it gets a little old listening to sanctimonious lefties yell "you better denounce that or you’re a racist too!" at every turn. All while Rome burns. It gets old.
If this is all we have to point at as proof of "racism in America!" – this silliness – it's evident we are spoiled children. Plus, I'd say officially that the racism that comes from the left is a far larger problem. I'd like al lefties to denounce the ugly racism in your midst.
ST: Are you sure Andy and Inga aren't the same person? I never believed Andy was actually gay, because no gay guy I've ever met had the complete lack of sartorial taste it would take to allow that hat, worn at that angle, to appear on his comments. At least he's finally gotten rid of the hat picture.
How many of the conservatives in this thread have every condemned the racism coming from the Republican Party? Ever? Is anyone in this thread condemning this example of racism?
I condemn Tommy Thompson's son. He should apologize for his remarks.
The problem is you act as if whatever he says is indicative of all who call themselves Republicans or Conservatives. You choose to paint with the broadest brush you can find.
As I've said before ... I don't give two shits about words. People say stupid shit all the time. I care about what people do. It's that simple. My dad has said bigoted shit from time to time (he's 68), but I've never seen him treat anyone different from anyone else — regardless of their race or sexual orientation.
DId you condemn Bill Clinton for his "carrying the bags" remark? Was that racist? Is his remark indicative of all Democrats? Did I come here and demand you condemn him? Would that make you feel better? Or me?
The problem is you act as if whatever he says is indicative of all who call themselves Republicans or Conservatives.
Reince Preibus was in the room. Did he speak up when people were making racist jokes about President Obama? He is one of the leaders of the Republican Party. I've been in a room where people said something racist or sexist, and I try to speak up and say that's not ok. Did anyone in the room respond to the racism they were hearing?
The issue with the commenters around here is more than people try to deny Republican racism when it is pointed out. Usually it's dog-whistle stuff, and the issue isn't that people aren't denouncing it, it's that people are denying that the race-baiting is even happening.
Something racially problematic happens, and people point it out, and then a bunch of people 1) claim it isn't a racial issue and 2) say that anyone who opposed Obama gets accused of racism and that is the real problem.
Are Democrats incapable of racism?
Of course they are capable of racism, but I think the evidence indicates that it is the Republican Party who is trying to use racial polarization among white people for electoral gain at the moment.
As I've said before ... I don't give two shits about words. People say stupid shit all the time. I care about what people do.
Are you suggesting we give the racist Republicans a pass because it might just be all talk?
The best way to handle gaffes is just own up to them and stonewall. Backing off, excuses, apologies, and that just makes it worse. "Yeah, I said it. So what? Next question!" Never complain, and never explain. Anything else and you'll be perceived as weak and therefore punkable. But don't do again though either.
Are you suggesting we give the racist Republicans a pass because it might just be all talk?
I note you ignored the Bill Clinton comments.
Should you give him a pass?
As a libertarian, I understand human nature. Maybe I'm more forgiving than you. I understand people say stupid things, and often say things they regret. I seldom try to guess what's in people's hearts.
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Your "non-link" doesn't work.
Since your non-link didn't work. I went directly to buzzfeed and ended up seeing Mick Jagger's daughter nude, sitting on a tuna.
Don't know what you are complaining about.
I love Buzzfeed!
Jason Thompson is a liberal plant?
For real.
Or maybe the lamestream media isn't providing the proper context.
Isn't Kaczynski related to the guy who blew up a lot of people with his homemade bombs?
Well, maybe he would take a post-election trip back to Kenya. You know, to visit his brother or whatever.
I'm guess Ann is referring to the ongoing campaign by the Republican Party to use racism to win this election.
For a vacation. He swears. A really long one!
"I'm guess Ann is referring to the ongoing campaign by the Republican Party to use racism to win this election."
Yes, because that worked so well last time. Except it didn't happen then either.
the birther stuff. *Groan*
The link doesn't work, but you can snip the front of it, so it does.
Or you can click here.
The birther stuff is such a waste of time. When will the GOP wake up? When I say GOP – I mean a small small minority of people within the GOP. Anyone with half a brain understands the birther stuff is a joke. Doesn’t’ this kid know that it’s a gift to the obsessed left?
Liberals love the birther stuff. They are obsessed with the birther stuff. They are running the tape recorders everywhere hoping to find birther stuff.
Do these idiots actually think Obama's mom flew to Kenya to give birth to Obama? I think they think Obama's father gave birth to Obama in Kenya. First penile birth in history! National Enquirer!
Usually the Republicans like to benefit from racism by dog-whistles with some plausible deniability. The problem with that is if you try to do it for long enough people start slipping up and are transparent about their racism.
Telling a black American to go back to Kenya, isn't birtherism, it's racism.
And a real profile in courage from everyone who sat around quietly while this kind of racism is being espoused. A special congratulations to Reince Priebus, as this is his Republican Party, so he might as well get to see the racism up close and personal.
I'm guess Ann is referring to the ongoing campaign by the Republican Party to use racism to win this election.
It's how righties talk amongst themselves I think more than anything. They just keep forgetting about the cameras.
Like WI Rep. Roger Rivard saying "some girls, they rape so easy"
Do these idiots actually think Obama's mom flew to Kenya to give birth to Obama?
It's about appealing to racists. It doesn't have to make sense.
They just want to pretend that Obama was ineligible to be President so that they can convince themselves that we never had a black President in America.
It's about appealing to racists. It doesn't have to make sense.
Jesus, but you're a completely fucking scumbag, Andy.
Andy R. said...
I'm guess Ann is referring to the ongoing campaign by the Republican Party to use racism to win this election.
That is actually funny.
Andy is just as stupid and vile as Inga.
All he does is call names. Anybody who disagrees with the God-like Andy is a racist and bigot.
Why? Because the dumb bastard says so! That's why!
Meanwhile, the stupid little fuck lectures us on tolerance... although he has none.
Andy the problem is you construe everything as racism. Disagree with Obama and his policies? –- You must be a racist.
You didn’t vote for Obama? –- You must be a racist.
Criticize Obama on any issue? -- You’re a racist.
I think birtherism is political opportunism and wishful thinking. Are all birthers racists? Perhaps some are, but again, I think it’s just wishful thinking and political laziness. The ineligibility argument comes up with John McCain and Marco Rubio. Is that racism?
Andy R:
"Telling a black American to go back to Kenya, isn't birtherism, it's racism."
How about telling an Austrian-American to "go back to Austria"? If you Google that phrase + Schwarzenegger you get "About 12,600 results". I bet at least a few of the people telling him that are black. Does that make them racists? Or does that make Andy R. stupid?
Let's try the same with "go back to Canada" + Granholm. "About 12,100 results" for this. And no, they're not all innocent false positives, e.g. news stories saying that Granholm "plans to go back to Canada next month to see her grandma". The ones at the top of the page are Granholm-haters telling her, often with further insults, to go back to Canada.
Of course, there's no doubt that Granholm was born in Canada, and Schwarzenegger in Austria, but telling someone to go back to the country of his or her ancestors is not in fact racist, as Andy R. would know if he thought about it for one minute. Or perhaps he already knows that and is willing to lie for his cause. Hard to tell with Andy R.: is he more stupid than he is evil, or more evil than he is stupid?
No surprise to see garage and Andy panting and drooling over Republican "racism" in this thread rather than attempting to defend the Obama administration's Libya mess. Stay in your comfort zone, boys!
Based on his comments, I seriously doubt hatman could find Libya on a map.
"Your "non-link" doesn't work."
Arrrgggghhhh!
It's incredibly hard to copy links to Memeorandum.
I was cursing out loud as I tried to copy a link there writing this post. The fact that I still didn't get a usable link is soooo annoying.
Anyway... fixed it.
"Since your non-link didn't work. I went directly to buzzfeed and ended up seeing Mick Jagger's daughter nude, sitting on a tuna."
Did she cook that man to death at Bumble Bee?
Andy the problem is you construe everything as racism. Disagree with Obama and his policies? –- You must be a racist.
I do not believe this and I have never said it.
Telling a black American that he should go back to Kenya is racist.
It's racist even if he happened to have been born in Kenya, which Obama wasn't. Saying, "go back to Africa" to black Americans is a racist slur.
How many of the conservatives in this thread have every condemned the racism coming from the Republican Party? Ever? Is anyone in this thread condemning this example of racism?
All I ever see is complete denials that the Republicans Party has ever or could ever do anything racist.
Plus, this straw-man about how liberals accuse anyone who opposed Obama's policies of being racist. Which is a lie and is designed to distract from the real instances of racism that are being noted.
It's also annoying the way Ann treats this as a purely partisan squabble, which merely buys into the frame that the Republican Party has adopted.
Racism against black people in American is probably the single greatest sin of our country. From slavery, to Jim Crow, to today, where racism still exists in de facto forms. Racism is a great evil of our country, and we haven't eradicated it yet.
To Republicans, racism is a partisan matter that can be used for electoral benefit if it is likely to help. The downside of engaging in race-baiting is that it might cause an electoral backlash if it is too blatant, such as it was in this case. So in the Republican mind-set, Republican race-baiting is a winner if it taps into white racial resentment, and a loser if it turns off moderates, like Ann. There seems to be no awareness and concern about the real harm that is done by stoking racial resentment toward black people.
Ann has obviously adopted this mind-frame, as her reactions to Republican race-baiting have been in terms of whether or not it is likely to hurt Republicans. But telling a black American to go back to Kenya is bad for this country, irrespective of any political repercussions, and that's what shows the moral vacuity of today's Republican Party.
That a previous leader of the RNC could apologize for the Republican's strategy of racial polarization and then Preibus sit in the room while our President was told to go back to Kenya was more sad than surprising at this point.
Andy proffers up the usual college freshman bullshit from the Diversity Seminar.
Here's another piece of evidence:
Google "go back to Panama" + McCain and you'll get "About 13,600 results". The fourth one calls him "Juan McCaino". So, Andy: is telling someone to go back where he was born, or to go back to the land of his ancestors, always racist? It's a simple yes-no question. Why can't you answer it?
Forgot trying to penetrate this dumb fucking kid's brain, Dr. Weevil.
It's 1955 in Mississippi forever, except that the dumb kid never actually experienced that.
He got his ass kissed in college for being gay and he likes it. He wants to keep getting his fat white ass kissed.
Andy is an idiot.
Andy - you do realize Obama is the President of the United States and he won handily, with a large number of white people who voted for him.
You do not realize that Democrats have a long history of racism.
Birther stuff? Unserious silliness.
Got Racism?
Read the whole thing before you launch into hysterics.
It's a simple yes-no question.
It depends on how you define racism, for one. We've had the conversation about what racism is before, I'm not sure it would be productive to revisit it in this thread.
It's definitely a bad thing to tell someone who is American to go back to some other country.
I think it happens more frequently to minorities than it does to white people, and I think it's more problematic when directed at minorities, in the way that calling Obama the n-word is more problematic than calling Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney a cracker.
The race hustler get up early in the morning.
April - the Republicans are the racist party because they get 55% of the white vote compared to the Democrats getting 95% of the black vote who are NOT racist.
Andy, do you have any way to make a living, or do you just subsist on the scam artist bit?
No, we haven't had conversations about this before. We've had stupid monologic assertions from Andy that calling whites racially offensive terms like "cracker" is somehow OK and somehow not racist, or not as racist as using the word he won't even spell out.
Andy's the one who thinks some races are specially privileged: they can use racial insults against others, but others can't use racial insults against them. That is racism by definition, and Andy's a self-confessed racist.
Shouting Thomas, here is an answer to all the comments and questions you have for me.
You can continue talking at me in this thread or any other thread, I'm not going to respond to you.
How could you respond, Andy?
You're just a scam artist. A fat white boy playing the victim game.
or not as racist as using the word he won't even spell out.
You think calling a white person cracker and a black person the n-word are equally racist?
Yes. Try calling one of the white people around where I live (the Shenandoah Valley) a "cracker". (Unlike many blacks with "the n-word", they don't even call themselves that, though they do call themselves rednecks.) If you do that, you will find yourself with fewer teeth after you said it than before. If you don't know how offensive that word is, you're a Goddamned fool who deserves to lose some teeth.
Andy apparently makes his living on hurt feelings.
Butt hurt is his occupation.
Andy - I will agree with you that telling someone to "go back to Africa" or "Go back to Kenya" is bad. I don't like it.
The small minority of idiots who say such things are just that - a small minority of people who say such things. That said, this election is about bigger issues and, since the left would love to make this election about small things, I'm calling you on it.
Also, it gets a little old listening to sanctimonious lefties yell "you better denounce that or you’re a racist too!" at every turn. All while Rome burns. It gets old.
If this is all we have to point at as proof of "racism in America!" – this silliness – it's evident we are spoiled children.
Plus, I'd say officially that the racism that comes from the left is a far larger problem. I'd like al lefties to denounce the ugly racism in your midst.
ST:
Are you sure Andy and Inga aren't the same person? I never believed Andy was actually gay, because no gay guy I've ever met had the complete lack of sartorial taste it would take to allow that hat, worn at that angle, to appear on his comments. At least he's finally gotten rid of the hat picture.
bad grammar update:
"I'd like all lefties to denounce the ugly racism in their midst."
Flop sweat from the media.
Another sign the Romster is ahead.
Andy R. said...
Do these idiots actually think Obama's mom flew to Kenya to give birth to Obama?
It's about appealing to racists. It doesn't have to make sense.
From our expert on not making sense.
You can always tell when Romney is winning when a Republican somewhere says something stupid and offensive.
garage mahal said...
You can always tell when Romney is winning when a Republican somewhere says something stupid and offensive.
Unlike you who says something stupid every time you post.
I was wondering, being as how you have shit for brains, is there any noticeable odor?
How many of the conservatives in this thread have every condemned the racism coming from the Republican Party? Ever? Is anyone in this thread condemning this example of racism?
I condemn Tommy Thompson's son. He should apologize for his remarks.
The problem is you act as if whatever he says is indicative of all who call themselves Republicans or Conservatives. You choose to paint with the broadest brush you can find.
As I've said before ... I don't give two shits about words. People say stupid shit all the time. I care about what people do. It's that simple. My dad has said bigoted shit from time to time (he's 68), but I've never seen him treat anyone different from anyone else — regardless of their race or sexual orientation.
DId you condemn Bill Clinton for his "carrying the bags" remark? Was that racist? Is his remark indicative of all Democrats? Did I come here and demand you condemn him? Would that make you feel better? Or me?
Are Democrats incapable of racism? Are you sure?
You think calling a white person cracker and a black person the n-word are equally racist?
Yes. They are both pejorative terms derived from the color of one's skin.
Is the n-word worse because of the country's history? That's an argument to make, I suppose.
So I found out my wife dated Jason Thompson, briefly, in high school.
Small world!
I've heard various bits of gossip about the Thompson family throughout the years. But my impeccable standards force me to not disclose.
Thank you EMD - that's what I was attempting to say.
EMD - 1:23 comment.
Andy has disappeared himself ...
The problem is you act as if whatever he says is indicative of all who call themselves Republicans or Conservatives.
Reince Preibus was in the room. Did he speak up when people were making racist jokes about President Obama? He is one of the leaders of the Republican Party. I've been in a room where people said something racist or sexist, and I try to speak up and say that's not ok. Did anyone in the room respond to the racism they were hearing?
The issue with the commenters around here is more than people try to deny Republican racism when it is pointed out. Usually it's dog-whistle stuff, and the issue isn't that people aren't denouncing it, it's that people are denying that the race-baiting is even happening.
Something racially problematic happens, and people point it out, and then a bunch of people 1) claim it isn't a racial issue and 2) say that anyone who opposed Obama gets accused of racism and that is the real problem.
Are Democrats incapable of racism?
Of course they are capable of racism, but I think the evidence indicates that it is the Republican Party who is trying to use racial polarization among white people for electoral gain at the moment.
As I've said before ... I don't give two shits about words. People say stupid shit all the time. I care about what people do.
Are you suggesting we give the racist Republicans a pass because it might just be all talk?
No one is more racist than African-Americans.
It is why everything the see is viewed through the prism of race.
That is why 99% of them will vote for a miserable failure simply because he is black.
Spare us the histrionics.
The race card has expired.
Nobody cares.
The best way to handle gaffes is just own up to them and stonewall. Backing off, excuses, apologies, and that just makes it worse. "Yeah, I said it. So what? Next question!" Never complain, and never explain. Anything else and you'll be perceived as weak and therefore punkable. But don't do again though either.
Are you suggesting we give the racist Republicans a pass because it might just be all talk?
I note you ignored the Bill Clinton comments.
Should you give him a pass?
As a libertarian, I understand human nature. Maybe I'm more forgiving than you. I understand people say stupid things, and often say things they regret. I seldom try to guess what's in people's hearts.
I focus my energies on policies in action.
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