Althouse: "That is the head of one who toyed with my honour."

September 3, 2012

"That is the head of one who toyed with my honour."

Said the rape victim, arrested near the head she severed from her attacker.

43 comments:

NotWhoIUsedtoBe said...: How is it that the victim has more to lose from reporting a rape than the rapist?; 9/3/12, 8:08 PM
Automatic_Wing said...: But was it rape-rape?; 9/3/12, 8:10 PM
Sorun said...: By far, the most poorly rated comment at that newspaper:

"It's her baby too .... Give it to someone who would love to have a baby .. It's not the baby's fault the way it was conceived ."; 9/3/12, 8:11 PM
NotWhoIUsedtoBe said...: Leslyn-

The problem with making rape a capital crime is that it encourages rapists to kill their victims. They have nothing to lose, and killing the witness makes it less likely that they will be caught.; 9/3/12, 8:13 PM
rhhardin said...: It sounds like a forgotten birthday to me.; 9/3/12, 8:18 PM
Skyler said...: I'm encouraged by brave women who overcome the barbarity of their religion and government.; 9/3/12, 8:18 PM
Synova said...: "The problem with making rape a capital crime is that it encourages rapists to kill their victims. They have nothing to lose, and killing the witness makes it less likely that they will be caught."

It also skews the legal process and prejudices it to punish the women instead of the men.

That is why, for a *capital* crime, rape in Islamic countries (or some of them, to be sure) requires something like three witnesses. And it should, don't you think? Someone shouldn't be killed without absolute proof. So they aren't going to kill a man with less than three witnesses. So instead, seeing how she just confessed to being a slut, the woman is punished.

My uncle, who was a county deputy sheriff said the same was true of any law that seemed too harsh. If nothing else the cops would ignore it if they could.

And so we've got this lady who *probably* had no other real options. And if she is convicted of murder at least her children won't carry the stigmatism of having a mother who was a whore.; 9/3/12, 8:19 PM
edutcher said...: Judith would approve.

leslyn said...

Rape should be a capital crime.

It was, dear, until all the Lefties got their way.; 9/3/12, 8:22 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Ok.. I guess this means that old guy from Missouri is a neanderthal.. and Althouse is dancing on the ceiling.; 9/3/12, 8:24 PM
Synova said...: The dead guy who made the mistake of forcing her to continue an affair by blackmail (however "voluntary" the first encounter) learned an important lesson.

If he's shaming her into continuing because she's trying to protect her public honor and her children's reputation from what he's threatening to reveal to the world... getting her pregnant is a terminally bad idea.; 9/3/12, 8:26 PM
NotWhoIUsedtoBe said...: Synova-

This reminds me of an old law review article I read in Con Law. The author was making a comparison between torture and plea bargaining.

Because medieval law required two witnesses to convict a criminal OR a confession, and because there were never two witnesses, torture became a common way to extract a confession and resolve the case.

Our criminal justice system has so many safeguards that it's unworkable so plea bargaining has become the real system, not the jury trial.

Make a system unworkable and people work around it.; 9/3/12, 8:27 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: "That is the head of one who toyed with my honour."

Well you go, Girl!

Compare that to these clueless sluts and the problem of cultism becomes clear.

Soul in a hole, indeed,...; 9/3/12, 8:37 PM
David said...: " leslyn said...
Rape should be a capital crime."

This one was.; 9/3/12, 8:38 PM
NotWhoIUsedtoBe said...: David-

Literally!; 9/3/12, 8:40 PM
Wally Kalbacken said...: That which happens in Yalvac, should stay in Yalvac.; 9/3/12, 8:43 PM
Tyrone Slothrop said...: It was literally a capital crime. Via Wikipedia, "The term capital originates from the Latin capitalis, literally "regarding the head" (referring to execution by beheading)."; 9/3/12, 8:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Good for her, sad for her children, fitting end for the rapist.; 9/3/12, 8:51 PM
Meade said...: " leslyn said...
Rape should be a capital crime."

leslyn, how would you like to see these rapists executed?; 9/3/12, 8:55 PM
bagoh20 said...: Your mother beheaded your father, and has wanted you dead since you were conceived. That's a bad start to a life.; 9/3/12, 8:59 PM
ampersand said...: Rape should be a capital crime

Indeed it was at one time.
Caryl_Chessman; 9/3/12, 9:00 PM
Anonymous said...: leslyn,

Rape should be a capital crime.

This is short sighted. All this would do is increase the number of dead women. After all, if you're going to get the death penalty for rape, why leave a living victim?; 9/3/12, 9:00 PM
KCFleming said...: She'd not offered her honor
He dishonored her offer
And all night long
It was off with his topper; 9/3/12, 9:01 PM
bagoh20 said...: Somewhere between 1 and 3 humans will die because of this. Sex is expensive business if you don't do it right. It's hard to believe it can also be loving, life affirming or casual. Context is everything.; 9/3/12, 9:11 PM
Synova said...: "Somewhere between 1 and 3 humans will die because of this."

Truth. And sad.

But if the woman is right, at least there will be two children able to grow up without being mercilessly tormented on account of their mother was a slut.

That's not nothing.; 9/3/12, 9:16 PM
YoungHegelian said...: Well, as we used to say back home in Alabama:

That'll learn him.

which was often followed by:

Some folks just need killin'.; 9/3/12, 9:28 PM
XRay said...: "leslyn, how would you like to see these rapists executed?"

Same as any.; 9/3/12, 9:45 PM
Geraldus Maximus said...: Too many situations like this to make it a capital offense; 9/3/12, 10:08 PM
Saint Croix said...: leslyn, how would you like to see these rapists executed?

What's interesting is there really seems to be a crackdown on women "rapists". That is to say, women having sex with underage boys.

And I guess that's good, for equal justice under the law. And yet I feel way more sympathy for a woman having sex with an underage guy than a man having sex with an underage girl.

I'm like, "throw the book at him!"

And "let her go!"

Totally unfair.

There's a huge number of women having sex with underage boys, apparently. What is up with that?

Those are not good mug shots, by the way.

Although Megan Crafton is hot. And "the victim" was 17. I would totally let her go.

Amber Jenkins, also smoking hot. She got probation.

Carrie McCandless, way hot. She got 45 days in jail.

If I was a prosecutor, I would want an all-female jury in these cases. I'd want an all female jury, a female prosecutor, and a female judge.; 9/3/12, 10:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Allie,

Good for her, sad for her children, fitting end for the rapist.

If a woman harassed and raped a man, then the man killed and decapitated the woman, would you say "Good for him"?; 9/3/12, 10:42 PM
Anonymous said...: "There's a hugenumber of women having sex with underage boys, apparently. What is up with that?"

Because they don't want to deal with equals. It would be pretty easy for an experienced older woman to control and pyschologically manipulate a horny 17 year old boy. It's harder to control a man, even a horny one. Any man worth their salt, that is.

Meh. I imagine myself sitting on the edge of the bed, listening to some pimply high schooler talk about trying out for the football team and how boring Mrs. Jones the English teacher is and wondering if Taco Bell is hiring...doesn't fill me with erotic longings.; 9/3/12, 10:51 PM
Alex said...: Allie - you are pro capital punishment?; 9/3/12, 11:00 PM
AlanKH said...: Turkey needs more gun control.; 9/3/12, 11:27 PM
Chip Ahoy said...: If I were this woman's lawyer, I'd want a jury of praying mantises.; 9/3/12, 11:27 PM
kentuckyliz said...: It strikes me as odd that more Muslim women don't kill their rapists, since they will be jailed or honor-killed for being raped. Really, SHE has nothing to lose.; 9/3/12, 11:30 PM
wyo sis said...: Chip
On the rare occasions when I get you it's worth it. I wish it happened more often.; 9/3/12, 11:32 PM
bagoh20 said...: Hey guys, check out Gerad Hibbs' link at 10:08, and you will feel safe in your superior position in our Patriarchy. Imagine if he had no camera.; 9/3/12, 11:45 PM
Dick Stanley said...: New bumper sticker: Don't Mess With Turkish Women.; 9/4/12, 5:22 AM
Michelle Dulak Thomson said...: Did anyone else find the woman's alleged statement that she'd be willing to die so long as she got an abortion, er, damned strange? She could accomplish both things at a stroke, as it were, all by herself. I realize that Islam isn't keen on suicide (except in special cases, as when you can take a bunch of your enemies with you), but then it's not especially keen on abortion either.; 9/4/12, 10:46 AM
AlanKH said...: Hibbs' link has been smited. "This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy prohibiting content designed to harass, bully or threaten."

What was in the video?; 9/4/12, 12:51 PM
bagoh20 said...: Alan,

The landlord (hotly dressed female) comes into the apartment telling the renter to leave. He refuses, and she starts acting hysterical yelling that he's trying to rape her and won't let her leave, while he clearly never touches her and the door is open. If he didn't have it on video, it would be his word against hers and her two companions. This is what we call an "illegitimate rape".; 9/4/12, 1:07 PM
Steven said...: Rape should be a capital crime.

If you really want rape to be a capital crime, you'll vote Romney.

See, in 2008's Kennedy v. Louisiana, Justices Kennedy, Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer said it was unconstitutional for rape to be a capital crime.

For rape to be restored to its historical status as a capital crime, we're going to need more justices like Alito, Roberts, Scalia, and Thomas. And Obama isn't going to appoint them.; 9/4/12, 3:16 PM
Tom DeGisi said...: Firearms even up the physical balance of power between men and women. NOW should be a big ally of the NRA. Given the decades that NOW has has to figure this out I am mystified that it is not.

Yours,
Tom; 9/4/12, 4:56 PM
Synova said...: Michelle... how would the existence of a bastard sibling impact her other two children in that culture?

I couldn't say, but it's a thought.; 9/4/12, 10:35 PM