I think I'll just have casual sex tonight. After Romney, I couldn't possibly feel more violated (or bored).When Clint Eastwood came on at 9, the liberal commenters, offset by Meade, went ageist:
elkh1 said... Clint is really really wobbly old.2 of the long-time conservative commenters picked up the age theme:
Meade said... Clint looks great.
Alex said... Clint looks old and jittery. Remember folks he's 82. When he was in his 40s, it was scary.... Clint is just embarrassing right now. There is a reason for the old folks home and you're seeing it. Shoot me before I ever get like this. Senile.
Pogo said... Old, jittery, but vicious as hell.What I liked about Clint's routine — which you had to trust not to feel nervous about — was when he said "We own this country... Politicians are employees of ours... When somebody does not do the job, we've got to let them go." As I said in this post, this was a play on something Romney said, something that's been used against Romney: "I like being able to fire people." Clint imposed the correct interpretation on that: When somebody does not do the job, we've got to let them go.
Shouting Thomas said... Unfortunately, Clint is really struggling. Sad to see the great man suffering the humiliation of old age.
Pogo said... No way, ST, he's an elderly man whose body betrays him a bit, but he's hitting a million right notes. Hurrah!
I didn't say much about Romney's speech last night, because I was way too tired by then. Our liberal friend Alex said: "ROmney talking too much about his family and church. Where are the policy initiatives? Obama is going to be speech-ifying policy like crazy next week." (Yeah, lotsa policy wonkery, that would have kept me awake.)
And our liberal Lindsey said: "I just watched Mitten with the sound on...sound on/sound off...same amount of policy specifics. Meade must be in seventh heaven." Oh, she wants policy too. If only they'd have bored us all to tears all week with specifics.
Shouting Thomas continued his lugubriousness:
Romney played small ball. I think that's what we need. He doesn't have an overriding theme, only the promise that he has the technical and managerial skills to lead.Meade responded:
Obama will promise social justice and payoffs to his favored groups.
The debates should be interesting.
Exactly right. What we need now is boring small ball competence. Time to put obama's failed presidency behind us. Romney will be a fine president.Lindsey with the liberal lady's focus on sex not baseball had no trouble seeing the opportunity to say:
Well by all appearances, you got a guy with small balls. I was actually hoping that all the non-policy fluff was just to woo the far right but I am now pretty locked into that being all he has. Sad really.If a man had said something equivalently sexual about a woman, Democrats would cry "war on women." If that kind of rhetoric is okay, we ought to call out Lindsey for her "war on men."
Ah! No spam. Maybe some not-so-admirable comments in there, but nothing robotic, and so Morning on the Althouse Blog continues (i.e., no word verification for commenting). And I just want to say one thing about this supposed lack of policy specifics from the GOP and the implication of Democratic superiority on said specifics. I mean I want to quote something from Paul Ryan's speech:
[President Obama] created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report.It was loaded with specifics.
He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.Ryan put a long pause between "did" — the action word — and "exactly nothing."
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I loved what Clint did. Anything not scripted is so much more interesting than listening to a bunch of boring politicians scripted crap.
I say go Clint Eastwood.
tits.
Hey Jake, cite us to the evidence that Obama implemented Debt Commission recommendations or explain how, without that evidence, Ryan's statement was "untrue."
@hombre
You probably remember the history of how the commission was created. Ultimately, the debt commission came up with a draft report that Paul Ryan and six other commission members voted against. It failed to achieve the 14 votes necessary to be formally endorsed.
The Debt Commission never had the votes to come to any agreements, and therefore never "submitted a report" that Obama could ignore. Since Ryan did not support the repot anyway, it is peculiar that he is faulting Obama for not implementing language from the draft report that Ryan did not like.
The plant was not closed until Spring 2009 after the Boy President was in office.
Major production ceased before Obama was sworn in, but after he was elected.
When Obama was sworn in, there were ca. 200 people still working in a slated-to-be-closed plant. (I think they were making a particular part, but not cars). Several months later the whole thing closed up.
Incidentally, I enjoy the skills of new commenter Lindsey Meadows. She gives everyone here a run for their money.
Could Lindsey be a secret Taliban guerilla infiltrator? She strikes and disappears, only to pop up again later.
I think a few hundred thousand jobs will be created just on the news that Romney won the election.
Meanwhile, why is Michael Moore a part of the democrat apparatus?
Michael Moore adores Cuba and the idea of a communist dictator for life, the tyranny of an oppressive government, and the communal poverty it provides.
How do mainstream democrats put up with his crap? Or do mainstream democrats agree with Moore?
Ah yes, so Clint is old.
I dare Cher to go out on the DNC stage at age 82 (sans pumps, drains and cow urine injections) and speak as effectively.
hombre
Just what are 'American values'? The point of my post [not written by me, actually] was humor. I like Clint and I don't much mind Romney. But I'm not about to say any candidate embodies 'American values' more than another. Obama and Romney seem to both be good guys who have nice families, go to church and smile a lot. Who cares? The point is what policies they pursue and which policies you think [or I think] are best for the country.
At the end of the day, though, there is really not a whole hell of a lot of difference between the policies of Obama and Romney. Or let me put it this way; despite whomever wins this November we will not see much change by 2016. Same old, same old. But there sure is a lot of rhetoric this political season [as there always is] - I hope we can at least agree on that.
"Ensuring that voting times are easy and convenient for all citizens does not enable someone to vote more than once."
That's true. But all the polls should open and close at the exact same times, regardless of geographical location.
If polling centers in certain areas - urban, rural, whatever - are permitted to open earlier then those voters are given an opportunity others do not have. If some remain open after others have closed, then the voters in those areas have a second unfair advantage over the voters elsewhere, in that they have access to information that earlier voters were not given.
As it happens, this unfair advantage can be best exploited by organized and concentrated blocs of voters. Voters who can be mobilized at the eleventh-hour in response to those voters who were required to cast their ballots earlier in the day. An urban voter turnout machine, you might say.
Since Ryan did not support the repot anyway, it is peculiar that he is faulting Obama for not implementing language from the draft report that Ryan did not like.
Seriously wonky stuff from the courageous adult in the room!
Triangle Man said...
Since Ryan did not support the report anyway, it is peculiar that he is faulting Obama for not implementing language from the draft report that Ryan did not like.
Ryan didn't fault Obama for not implementing that plan. Ryan faulted Obama for taking no action at all, such as (1) trying to resolve the points of dispute or (2) trying another path.
Garage: There was no official report. There were no official recommendations for Congress to adopt.
You're a liar, Garage, and a time-wasting moron.
@Meade (8/31/12 8:33 AM:
Concealed carry.
Together, Meade and Althouse are like Klaatu and Gort in the original (1951) movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still".
The money quote from IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/quotes
Knowing that Gort is on-station, in high orbit is enough to maintain the preeminent status of this blog.
Garage, adults prefer wonks over blow-hard liars, and the flowery self-absorbed rhetoric of an egoist narcissist bullshit artist and his ass-sniffing sycophants.
William said: There was the sense that he [Clint Eastwood] might go too far over the line and call Obama a god-dammed punk or a stupid, fucking asshole
Yeah, and I was kinda hopin' he would, one out of the two at least. :-))
You're a liar, Garage, and a time-wasting moron.
That isn't an official report, it was a report from two people, Simpson and Bowles, and you're embarrassingly stupid if you think it is. The first clue: it was voted down! There was no report from this commission.
MadisonMan said...
hmm, comment thread about a comment thread ...
Hmm. Talk about profound!
I'm commenting about a comment about a comment thread about a comment thread!
If only this was comment #200!
Now THAT is a frontpage-able comment!
Have you seen Clint Eastwood's movies?
Yes, and if I had to name a film that the speech reminded me of it would be Paint Your Wagon - a whimsical attempt at comedy that didn't work.
We certainly didn't see the terse, no nonsense Eastwood.
What in the world will the Democratic convention look like? Will they have to pull in the far left to try to energize them, or will they try to pretend to veer to the center? Their best speaker is an old man who used to be president?
The times they are a changing.
Now to keep the Rs on the right track.
Trey
Why do Obama supporters hate old people?
They hate everybody, including themselves. It's this pathological hatred on mankind, including self-hatred, that allows them to destroy whatever social and economic structures they please with smiles on their faces no matter who suffers.
@Matt: Regardless of who wrote it, your post raised the "values" point.
"American values" were defined repeatedly during the convention and it is not my intention to lecture you. Suffice to say that when progressives bring moral relativism to the table they can expect people who actually have values to fill the void with traditional values.
Moral relativism, btw, is often accompanied by moral equivalence. You know, like saying, "Obama and Romney seem to both be good guys who ... go to church...."
wyo sis said...
Clint Eastwood made people believe he's a doddering old man. A doddering old man with a razor sharp wit and life experience. A doddering old man who cut to the heart of Obama using a rhetorical device that's very difficult to pull off successfully....
Maybe the Dems can get George Clooney or Sarah Silverman to come and do as well at their craft.
I bet Eve Ensler could do it. The Democrats should have her do a monolog on women's issues.
Lindsey what is it about conservatism you dont like?
We tend to frown on murdering babies.
traditionalguy said...
Incidentally, I enjoy the skills of new commenter Lindsey Meadows. She gives everyone here a run for their money.
I enjoy her posts too. She spells things out nicely so that those who wish can see clearly how "the other side" thinks.
She is instructive.
garage mahal said...
I'm not sure why so many people have a hard time with this. There was no official report. There were no official recommendations for Congress to adopt.
HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA
You were provided a link to the report itself.
You fucking illiterate imbecile.
The RNC is over and done--at this point I look forward to the DNC. I am particularly interested in their speaker list and how that will match up with the RNC speakers.
Oh, this is "factcheck" GOLD...
Obama made a second, later promise regarding the Janesville, WI GM plant:
"As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America."
Bus-ted.
garage mahal said...
That isn't an official report, it was a report from two people, Simpson and Bowles
This imbecile actually believes he knows the topic!
Too funny.
Note:
The president had tasked commission co-chairmen Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson with devising a plan to reduce the deficits and redirect the country from its "unsustainable" fiscal path. The end result is a wide-ranging and controversial report that its supporters touted as a good start to a tough problem.
There is a report.
It is 59 pages.
It contains all sorts of recommendations.
You're a flailing idiot.
You fucking illiterate imbecile.
Yes, he is. And that explains why he goes to such lengths to defend the indefensible (as loing as it's left wing).
'The Day the Earth Stood Still' is one of those futurist utopias that progressives have wet dreams about, but in reality it's an unworkable dystopia.
Are you really free if one little action that could be misconstrued as threatening would get you instantly atomized? It's a prog fascist fantasy. Do what we want or die. The irony of peace only through the omnipresent threat of the most lethal force possible appears lost on the commies who wrote the screenplay. And they say Rand was a bozo for pointing out all of the flaws in this type of thinking...
garagie is now reduced to saying a report isn't a report and that Bowles and Simpson aren't part of the commission.
Or something.
There was the sense that he [Clint Eastwood] might go too far over the line and call Obama a god-dammed punk or a stupid, fucking asshole.
Over the line?
Seriously, didn't Eastwood's mere presence evoke the "Obama is a punk" image. And doesn't it fit?
A guy who sends computer generated letters to dead SEALs families, who lives the conspicuous high life while the country suffers and who flies high with Hollywood twits on the taxpayers' dime is a punk by any reasonable definition.
There is a report.
I have a report too! Why O Why won't Obama listen to me!
FACT: There is no official report from the commission because they didn't reach a consensus. Therefore, no official report. Other clue: If there was an official report it would have been sent to Congress for consideration.
garage mahal said...
I'm not sure why so many people have a hard time with this. There was no official report. There were no official recommendations for Congress to adopt.
I can't believe someone would actually type this.
Note on the Table of Contents page of the report (yes there is a report) it says "The Plan"
Which to those who follow English is a plan and it contains all sorts of details on spending & taxation changes.
Which are recommendations.
The DNC will be all about how the GOP will steal your vagina and put black people back in chains, take old peoples money and give it to the rich somehow and the usual oldf and busted 50 year old playbook that isn't working anymore.
I can claim no credit as to any sort of special discernment on my part because it is all so laughingly predictable.
The Democrats have become a cartoon of themselves and they don't realise it.
Not flailing, Garage, just teasing a zoo monkey through the bars of his change until he starts screeching and flinging his own poo.
That's a metaphor -- I'd never do that to a actual monkey.
A "Commission" is a time honored way for decision makers to try to diffuse a problem and avoid action on the commission's recommendations. Bowles and Simpson produced some excellent, although politically painful recommendations. Anyone familiar with the history of commissions in Washington knew this up front.
There was no Simpson-Bowles commision report
It took 15 seconds of Googling to find this.
garage mahal said...
FACT: There is no official report from the commission because they didn't reach a consensus
Hey blathering idiot.
How about you just admit you're confusing the process for the document and scurry away?
I mean, you've tripled down on your stupidity here.
You can like stop.
AllieOop said...
There was no Simpson-Bowles commision report
It took 15 seconds of Googling to find this.
Perhaps you can then explain the 59 page document that was linked to at least 3 times?
it was voted down! There was no report from this commission
garage, do you really not see the contradiction in your two side-by-side assertions? If there literally was no report, how could it be voted down? I'm cringing as I read your attempt to pin a false statement on Ryan by .... making false statements of your own. Triangle Man's approach was much more effective (truthful!), which you noted, but then ignored.
"There was no report." False
"There was no official report!" False
"It was a report from 2 people!" False
And by implication: "The report contained no actionable advice!" False
"That's a metaphor -- I'd never do that to a actual monkey. "
Well then you shouldn't do that to garage mahonkey, should you?
Re Simpson Bowles--the president could have incorporated any of the commission recommendations in his budget submission. He didnt, and even if he had, the Democratic Senate would have tabled them I suspect.
By the way, I love it when Democrats wistfully offer up Reagan as a model moderate. As a child, I remember the political cartoons of Reagan dressed in cowboy garb, riding a nuclear missile. Reagan scared the crap out of Democrats. Before him, it was tacitly understood that discussions with the Soviets were to be loaded with submissive French words like detente.
Yeah, Reagan; you guys thought he was just oh-so-reasonable. Especially compared to that war-monger Romney!
Bryan C said...
"Ensuring that voting times are easy and convenient for all citizens does not enable someone to vote more than once."
That's true. But all the polls should open and close at the exact same times, regardless of geographical location.
I totally agree. In 1980 I was living in Kodiak, AK. I was still a stupid kid and a registered Democrat (redundant?) although I was starting to question my alignment. In any case, I intended to vote for Carter. By the time I got off work the polls had closed in two time zones and Carter had already conceded. I ended up voting Libertarian. On second thought, maybe the whole thing worked out for the best!
Of course there was a report. There has to be since the librul media refers to it all the time when they criticize the commission members for not reaching a grand bargain [aka higher taxes] by "going big".
Hell, the CNN Outfront hostess/news reader, Erin Burnett, uses that phrase "going big" at least once a week.
I don't even know why you guys try and argue with these librul liars.
Isn't it funny how the leftist examples of Republican "lies" are always lies?
Pres. Obama and Janesville GM -- promises,...promises....
What a d*ck -- dangling unicorn farts -- twice -- before people faced with losing their livelihoods. Good on Mr. Ryan for calling him on it.
I enjoyed Eastwood's speech. Reminds me of my Dad. When the old man's got the floor (which is pretty much whenever he wants) you never know what's gonna be said. He'll sit back quietly for hours, taking it all in, and then suddenly just start talking. Hilarious and weird and uncomfortable comin' at you all at once. It takes some getting used to. I met Eastwood in person once years ago. Well I was in the same room. My brush with celebrity. (Well one that I actually like.) At a deposition, unfortunately. He was being sued, along with a huge host of other defendants, one of which I was representing. He was very sharp and obviously pissed off. It's sad because now there will be creeping rumors that he's losing it mentally which I don't think is necessarily true. Old people just have a different perspective. They've got less time left, and they know it, and they're not going to waste it fucking about with the niceties.
"You fucking illiterate imbecile."
Please, please Althouse cons as mittens is trying to convey a nicer, kinder, more pleasant America.
Try not to deviate from mitten's meme.
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I yield back the balance of my time to pent-up, frustrated, angry cons!
Joe Schmoe said...
By the way, I love it when Democrats wistfully offer up Reagan as a model moderate
I can't remember the precise occasion, but I remember Obama invoking the great president Reagan. Of course, back in the day Democrats portrayed him as a bumbling old fool who slept for twelve hours a day, and we should all be terrified such a fascist ideologue had his finger on the nuclear trigger.
There was no Simpson-Bowles Commission report, more
There was no Simpson-Bowles Commission report, more
Allie drinks the koolaid and likes it.
Nope. No report. It's inconvenient to the left’s ever-changing narrative of lies, so it doesn't exist!
She googled it!
ooo and Governor Walker is about to be indicted too, right Allie?
Idiot.
shiloh said...
I yield back the balance of my time to pent-up, frustrated, angry cons!
Would that you meant this sincerely, shiloh!
April Apple, are you illiterate?
I was driving from Orange County to Tucson last night and listened to the speeches on the radio. Rubio was great. Clint made me nervous with his delivery but made great points. His descriptions of Biden were hilarious. Romney was terrific and was the most animated I have heard him. Three for three in my opinion based only on audio.
My wife thought she heard that Carville said, "It's over for Obama." That would be an amazing slip for him, if true.
According Jonathan Tobin at Commentary:
Eastwood discard[ed] his planned remarks and provid[ed] what was one of the most embarrassing moments in modern political convention history. But I doubt either party will ever take that kind of a chance again.
Interesting. I did feel some uneasiness while watching Eastwood scratch his head and seem to lose his train of thought. I did wonder if he had forgotten his lines or was improvising and not quite finding the next step.
But it was a long way from a "most embarrassing moment." It was exciting in a scary way, like watching a tightrope walker work without a net, and in so doing provided a lively contrast to the rest of the convention, any political convention.
The Democrats will be lucky if they can find a moment half as embarrassing this week.
Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles in fact forwarded their report as co-chairs of the commission. The report, however, did not meet the commission by-laws. Bowles and Simpson, imo, should be commended for their diligence in trying to meet their charge. Their recommendations were solid, although politically unpalatable.
Nope. No Plan.
If a report isn't followed or if there are not enough votes to move the report forward; that does not mean the report doesn't exist.
The good news for the Professor's blog is the pas a deux continues next week when the DNC meets--participants hereon change sides: the lefties gush and the cons snipe. And the political process continues. I do so enjoy our politics.
Roger J. said...
The good news for the Professor's blog is the pas a deux continues next week when the DNC meets--participants hereon change sides: the lefties gush and the cons snipe...
Careful with the gushing...there will be talking vaginas.
I mentioned the Ohio GOP's voter suppression tactics in Ohio upthread. Well, breaking news: Another defeat for the GOP in federal court:
Federal Judge Restores Early Voting In Ohio After Obama Suit
Meade said...
"That's a metaphor -- I'd never do that to a actual monkey. "
Well then you shouldn't do that to garage mahonkey, should you?
You sayin' "don't tease the special kid" ?
I sort of figured it was -if he can type it he should be responsible for it.
My wife thought she heard that Carville said, "It's over for Obama."
That'd be fun, but I'm not expecting it either.
However, I had that thought several times watching the convention. To be sure, I am partisan and will be voting for Romney / Ryan, but to the extent I can observe this election objectively, it's hard for me to see how Obama exceeds or even matches what we just saw.
Politics aside, Obama is overexposed and his first term was disappointing to everyone. He can't run as the bold challenger to a tired incumbent. He is now the tired incumbent and he doesn't have much to brag about that will appeal to voters not already in his column. He can't go back to Hope and Change. Voters have already heard that.
Perhaps our liberal friends here can get beyond their current "lies, doddering old fool, lies, I'm totally bored" routine to make a case for their side and paint a scenario for how Obama and the Democrats will proceed in the 2012 election.
Or perhaps our liberal friends shown us the Democratic strategy and Obama will run on a "lies, doddering old fool, lies, I'm totally bored" campaign.
Some takeaways from the Republican Convention are:
1. Romney gave ample time to the next generation of Republicans. That was smart...cultivating emerging talent is more important than focusing mainly on honoring the old guard.
Mia Love, Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, and Gov. Susana Martinez used their time very well.
Christie, not so much..he made it all about himself instead of building his keynote speech to serve the Party and the Candidate 1st.
2. Slowly but surely, we are moving away from the shared Democrat and Republic delusion and meme that the best leaders HAVE to be able to drop red meat zingers, get hearts throbbing in partisan love, and deliver soaring speeches. And that we must accept the media has to perpetuate that meme by "grading" pols on their entertainment value, tugging hearts, and speechifying as the main credential of office. Like judges on American Idol.
3. Deeds matter more than words. Substance matters over style.
4. John Nolte at Breitbart noted that at least 25 of Obama's lapdogs in the media went ballistic over Eastwood mocking their Messiah, and worse, mocking the media for being Obama's lapdogs that refused to do their job and point out how bad Obama has been on so many things. Nolte concludes Eastwood "pissed off all the right people". http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/08/30/Eastwood-Mocks-Obama
I'd note that Eastwood also gives more seniors,,,because a few of his stumbles led younger liberals and progressive Jews in the media to make direct attacks on the elderly to help them heap scorn on the "doddering, confused, all but slobbering old Clint". Yeah, that will endear those Obamites and Obama himself to seniors and others that idolize Clint!!
5. Efforts to play the race card by Chris Matthews and David Chalian backfired badly. Republicans will no longer stand for those sort of smears.
6. We seem to be seeing a reaction forming against the cool, snarky, "ironic" diatribes that we are supposed to look down on a decent, hard-working, religious, and successful man precisely because he is not an anti-hero and has all those "obsolete" characteristics.
The only way someone can be cool, snarky, bitchy and sauntering insouciantly on the sidelines amused at it all and texting HAHAHAHAHA! - is if others are doing the heavy lifting to get things done. In arenas where being decent, hard-working, successful, with good judeoChristian and American values actually does matter.
Meade: Well then you shouldn't do that to garage mahonkey, should you?
Except that Garage chooses to be that way.
"Or perhaps our liberal friends shown us the Democratic strategy"
It seems to be he's only had four years and maybe the recovery that Obama thought is automatic after a recession will finally happen.
That's about all I can see except racism.
Huffington Post after the Halftime in America Superbowl ad: Eastwood "rugged Hollywood icon"
Huffington post today: Eastwood "ditzy"
Geez. Wonder what changed? And no, I don't think it's Eastwood.
Last night's post was a good argument for the threaded view setting.
Good point, furious_a
Excellent analysis, Cedarford.
Wonderful rememberance of your father, but what does it have to do with Clint making a complete fool of himself...or for that matter...the GOP allowing him to open up the prime time portion of Romney's most important night?
Are you comparing your father's last moments to what you saw last night?
My mother also passed away six months ago, and I experienced much of what you describe with your father, but I wouldn't taint her memory using it to slam Obama or shore up Clint's ridiculous performance.
It's cheap and embarrassing.
Did anyone ask Lindsay how a 'small' balled man like Romney produced 5 boys, who in turn produced 18 grandchildren? Why do leftard women act like such hateful cunts?
From Matt Latimer is the author of the New York Times bestseller SPEECH-LESS: Tales of a White House Survivor. He was deputy director of speechwriting for George W. Bush, chief speechwriter for Donald Rumsfeld, and an advisor to Newt Gingrich’s 2012 presidential campaign.
1. Barack Obama’s administration is “disappointing.” I don’t think anybody would argue with that—including, I’d wager, Barack Obama. But it was interesting that Mr. Romney generally chose gentler jibes as opposed to a more ferocious assault on Obama. This was Mike Brady lingo—“I’m really disappointed that you missed curfew, Marcia.” “Greg, your hippie attitude is really ... disappointing.” This either tells us that Romney is trying to appeal to independents and Democrat-leaners who don’t cotton to rants about how Obama stays up at night burning copies of the Constitution. Or it tells us that Romney’s negative ratings are really high and he doesn’t want to make them any worse. My bet is that it’s both. This posture may also be a smart strategy, too, though that’s probably an accident.
2. Mitt Romney is no George W. Bush. President Bush was a master at using words like “unconditional love” and “hugging your kids” and “loving moms and dads” and other touchy feely stuff that men don’t usually say and yet still make it sound like something a real person would say. By contrast, when Mitt Romney, flashing a weird smile, talked about his “pile of kids” going to sleep “wrapped in the love of their family” I felt like I was listening to a line someone wrote for him. And I also got a little creeped out. (Oh and by the way Jeb Bush ain’t no W, either. Good thing no one was watching his snoozer of a speech that went into a long tangent on different kinds of milk.)
3. Mitt Romney wants women. Romney made overt references to his mother’s campaign for the Senate . . . noted that his parents were life “partners” . . . and praised himself for of all things picking a real, live “woman” as his lieutenant governor and, as he put it, “a woman chief of staff” – both of these revelations offered in a tone that sounded like he’d discovered the ark of the covenant. In the ham-handed manner Republicans often have when talking to minority groups, Romney his team demonstrated how badly he needs to cut the gender gap. All that was left for Romney to do was read a haiku that he crafted with Lena Dunham and hum a few bars of “I am woman hear me roar” with the cast of “Bridesmaids.”
4. The Reagan-Carter argument. Romney’s obvious and far less pithy effort to mimic Ronald Reagan’s killer line against President Carter in 1980: “Are you better off than you were four years ago?”—is really the most important aspect of this speech. That sentiment is the most powerful weapon he has to deploy against a relatively unpopular president saddled with a gloomy economy. The challenge for Team Romney will be to keep up that focus for the next two months, instead of discussing Medicare and the death of bin Laden and Planned Parenthood funding and any other distractions the press can conjure. The challenge for Team Obama, meanwhile, is to find a better question for voters to ask about Mitt Romney.
5. Romney Recycles. I listened to Romney outline the “five steps” of his groundbreaking economic plan and then suddenly realized it sounded an awful lot like economic plans I used to write for President Bush. Parts of it even sounded a lot like economic plans outlined by Barack Obama. Give everyone a job who wants one? Build world-class schools? Empower small businesses? This is the best that the proud proprietor of Staples and the Sports Authority has got? Team Romney better hope nobody notices their guy is turning in someone else’s homework and claiming it as his own.
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I felt bad for clint seeing him a little slower and more doddering the last time I saw him, but he got his point across, he exuded respect, and injected a sound bit of humor that was unexpected. Leftards will continually show that they are humorless dicks.
Methadras - "Why do leftard women act like such hateful cunts?"
And the right can't understand why they have a problem with women?
It's based in knuckle-dragging mouth breathers like YOU.
Barack Obama on the Simpson-Bowles report: (Sarcasm alert) "I put together this commission to address the deficit. They came up with a multitude of suggestions to reduce the deficit, but couldn't get a consensus according to their by-laws. Therefore, despite the record-setting deficit growth and the backbreaking burden it places on our children and the future of the country, I have decided to ignore their suggestions entirely. Technicalities rule over substance, you know."
Allie, garage, et al: "There's no report! There's no report! Ding dong, there's no report."
Obviously, like Obama, these folks have no shame. Evidently, they have no children either.
garage, do you really not see the contradiction in your two side-by-side assertions?
No. I'm saying there was no official report per it's own by-laws. And if it were an official report, it would have been sent to Congress as official recommendations. It wasn't. It's really that simple.
What was Ryan talking about? Who the fuck knows. But he should know better. Obama was supposed to adopt .....what? Unofficial recommendations? Then why have a commission in the first place!
At the DNC, Obama will reveal the rest of the his campaign slogan...
Forward!
Because this place sucks.
Mel Gibson was a rugged Hollywood star before he turned ditzy lol. It happens!
btw I like Clint, hey who doesn't, but his appearance last nite was a definite unforced error by cons.
ie what where they thinkin' as Clint can be quite independent and marches to the beat of his own drummer.
were they thinkin' ...
"By the way, I love it when Democrats wistfully offer up Reagan as a model moderate."
Amen. He was "a tired old man we elected king". "Ronnie Raygun" getting us all killed with his crazy Star Wars rhetoric. Or a jingoistic has-been actor who was living inside one of his scripts. A typical fictional portrayal of the day was in Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns", where he's a senile who nukes innocent countries with a cheerful shrug.
But, yeah, now they say he was awesome.
ONLY the crazy teabagger crowd here would spend their day supporting Clint's insane and thoroughly nonsensical (lawyers shouldn't be politicians? - Uh...Romeny has a law degree...or not closing Gitmo...uh, the GOP is against it...why not get out of Afghanistan now...uh, the GOP is against it) performance.
He made a fool of himself and and whoever let him take the stage at that precise moment is an idiot and hsould be fired.
JAL - Provie all of these "specifics" you say Romney has thrown out.
Saying he's a good man isn't a "specific."
Ah yes, so Clint is old.
I dare Cher to go out on the DNC stage at age 82
Considering the hilarity that ensues whenever Pres. Obama (31 years Clint's junior) flies without his telemprompter binky (Clint wasn't using one last night), not bad for an old coot.
"Oprah was crying." Comedy GOLD!
Good grief.
Specifics?
Romney gave us his credentials for the job which make the choice of the bi-racial kid on the bike with training wheels who hadn't even tried to run a lemonade stand himself 4 years ago even more ludicrous.
Romney sees problems and situations and does what he can to make them better and in the end he is more successful than not. It can be little small acts of kindness (helping an unrelated dying 14 year old write a "will") or flipping a corrupted international event into a sparkling celebration of athleticism and achievement.
Romney has provided more jobs through his *hard work* and accomplishments than Barack Obama with the resources of gazillions of taxpayers and borrowed money could ever dream of. Not to mention there are only a handful of "jobs" as a result. (I think -- are there that many??)
Romney's personal life has been opaque because he chooses to live that way. Did you try a visual of the Obama family showing up a Christmas bearing gifts to an overburdened family? (With no press?) Totally no picture there.
I am not a Mormon fan, matter of fact I think the Mormons, and thus the Romneys, sadly, are dead wrong in their theology.
But this is a good man and this is a very very capable man who we need to lead us out of the incredibly depressing negative morass Obama has led us into.
I hate the America I hear from Obama and the libs. It is Gray. Dreary. Mean. Very Mean -- and Vindictive. It is no place I would have ever liked to visit, much less live.
I think Charlotte is going to be shrill and demeaning. Or totally drenched in Kool-Aid™ Probably both.
garage mahal said...
What was Ryan talking about? Who the fuck knows
The 59 page report you're pretending doesn't exist.
Idiot.
Hombre - Didn't Ryan vote against the Simpson-Bowles proposal?
Duh.
America tried mittens once ie MA gov and he left office w/a ((( 36% job approval rating ))) w/no chance for re-election after a string of (4) straight Rep govs. One of which, William Weld was re-elected w/71%.
This will probably be mentioned a few times next week, eh.
ie total failure!
I yield back the balance of my time to Althouse cons in fantasyland ...
Love said...
JAL - Provie all of these "specifics" you say Romney has thrown out.
Hey, remember when you asked for specifics from Obama in 2008?
*GIGGLE*
My favorite part of the whole thing was Clint Eastwood, dotard, speaking to invisible Obama, he cannot tell Romney to do that to himself, that's impossible. The idea of an octogenarian suggesting Obama is saying Romney go fuck yourself is hilarious. The same joke twice. About himself. Invisible Obama is not heard to say Clint Eastwood go fuck yourself, but the idea of Clint Eastwood even thinking that at over 80 years old is itself drop dead fucking hilarious. Thank you Clint Eastwood for that laugh. I too was sitting here thinking it might be the last time we hear anything from Clint Eastwood so it was great for me for it to be that suggested obscenity, twice.
Jay - All but four Republicans voted in favor of Ryan's plan. No Democrats did.
This makes it some kind of holy grail?
For the teabaggers maybe.
The Chipper thinks Clint was "hilarious."
Well,that settles it.
Except of course, for what Mrs. Romney, Paul Ryan and other leading Republicans thought of it.
Love said...
Jay - All but four Republicans voted in favor of Ryan's plan. No Democrats did.
This makes it some kind of holy grail?
Huh?
Which silly point of yours is this drivel supposed to address?
Jay said...once again:
Provide all of these "specifics" you say Romney has thrown out.
Giggle.
Madison Man -- (above) why is there still any discussion about the Janesville plant?
What exactly did Ryan say? NOT what the libs are sayong he said! This is a great example of a strawman. Making a big deal over WHEN the plant stopped producing and whether the trucks they produced really can be counted or not ... blah blah blah...
Barack Obama stood in Janesville and used the plant as an example of how great his stimulus plan was and that the plant (and thus the people) of Wisocnsin would benefit from Obama's use of the stimulus. And it didn't and they didn't. And he PROMISED. (Be careful what you promise!!)
BHO "...words, just words ..."
For heaven's sake this was a plant in Ryan's district -- IN HIS HOMETOWN -- and you know that. These are HIS (Ryan's ) constituents who were affected. You think he doesn't know more about that plant than all the yammering progs out there?
Sheesh.
The 59 page report you're pretending doesn't exist.
I'd like to submit a report to Congress for a vote. Tell me what needs to be done for that to happen.
@ Jay
I did?
Clarify, please.
Jay - Just because the Republicans vote in favor os something...it doesn't mean squat...unless it passes muster with others who hold contrary views.
You act as if the Ryan plan is some kind of holy document.
It isn't.
Love said...
You act as if the Ryan plan is some kind of holy document.
Um, where did I say that again?
Romney Specifics
http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2011/09/believe-america-mitt-romneys-plan-jobs-and-economic-growth
Do your homewwork.
Love said...
Provide all of these "specifics" you say Romney has thrown out.
Remember when you asked Obama for specifics in 2008?
That was a treat, wasn't it?
garage mahal said...
I'd like to submit a report to Congress for a vote. Tell me what needs to be done for that to happen.
Well dum-dum, the first thing you'd do is write a report.
And, since a report was written, that could happen.
You do realize the President submits a budget to Congress every year, right?
Idiot.
So 'Love' thinks it's OK to call Romney "small-balled", shocking and horrible to call the person who wrote that a "horrible cunt", but then OK again for her to call most of us here "teabaggers". A textbook case of gross hypocrisy and intellectual bullying: 'Love' can dish it out but can't take it.
As for garage mahal and his fellow denialists:
Scientists used to think that "panda bears" were not in fact bears, though DNA tests have apparently convinced them that they are. What would you think if one of those old-time scientists had said "panda bears do not exist" and had implied that they do not exist in exactly the same way that "unicorns do not exist"? I would think he was totally ignorant of logic or using weasel words to evade the issue. Of course panda bears exist, even if their name is (or was thought to be) misleading and inaccurate. So do glass snakes, which are technically not snakes at all, but legless lizards.
Pretending that the Simpson-Bowles report does not exist because it was not officially approved by a supermajority (it was supported by 11 of 18) is exactly the same sort of thing as pretending that panda bears don't exist. You can see the damned pandas at the zoo, and you can read the damned report on the web, and that's existence enough for honest nonpartisans.
JAL - Yes, I don't think Ryan understands the plant situation, therefore was lying through his teeth:
The Washington Post's Greg Sargent on Thursday interviewed a Ryan-supporting Wisconsin businessman, who argued that the plant may have been unsalvageable, even with significant government support.
"This morning, I spoke to a leading business official in Janesville, Wisconsin, who was at the center of efforts to save the GM plant -- one who supports Paul Ryan -- and he offered a nuanced version of the history that strains simplistic interpretations," Sargent reported.
"The official, John Beckord, who heads the pro-business group Forward Janesville , makes two key points.
First, that the market for the GM product in question collapsed much faster than anyone expected it would at the time of Obama’s speech.
Second, that there is no telling whether the plant would have reopened, even if the economy had recovered faster."
How does Obama have anything to do with this...the plant closed before he was ecen in office.
It's amazing that people don't get "art." Of course everyone knows Eastwood is an actor, but they don't seem to realize that he is an artist and what he delivered was an act of theater. He created a completely unique energy and space in the realm of the imagination. Imagine doing that at a political convention, gutsy, and that's why he is so cool and sharp as a tack. It was wonderful -- he's marvelous.
Love said...
How does Obama have anything to do with this...
1. He said the plant would stay in operation "with government support"
2. He said the above after GM announced the plant would close.
Your inability to understand that Ryan was pointing out Obama's policies are a failure is surprising to nobody.
I think I'll just have casual sex tonight. After Romney, I couldn't possibly feel more violated (or bored).
Lindsey's picture personifies her words. It's not hard to imagine her fighting off a migraine with a smoke and asking her partner, "Are you about done back there?"
How does Obama have anything to do with this...the plant closed before he was ecen in office.
In April of 2009 the plant had employees and was making vehicles.
That is not "closed"
You can stop now.
Or perhaps our liberal friends have shown us the Democratic strategy and Obama will run a "lies, doddering old fool, lies, I'm totally bored" campaign.
Judging by the recent comments from shiloh, Love, and leslyn, that appears to be the case. Can't say I blame them. They have nothing positive for Obama to run on. Or for themselves to comment on.
But Michael K. was correct that I left out racism from my list.
Dr Weevil - You compare me referring to most here as teabaggers, to a knuckle-dragging cretin referring to a woman as a cunt? (Run that one by your wife...if there's somebody out there that would marry you.)
You're the idiots who came up with the moniker (screaming about "teabagging" the Democrats at rallies), and you've been whining about people using the term ever since.
And by the way, I didn't say anyting about Romney's balls.
"Love,"
Oh dear. You've misunderstood.
When a character like Clint (or my dad) starts talking it's hilarious, weird, and uncomfortable because words are not parsed for politesse and politics. That's his (or her) truth and it's coming at you on blast. Old people, and the people who know and love them, will recognize this.
Also, let me be very clear (to quote our Dear Leader who rarely is), I'm not "tainting" my dad's memory as (1) he's not dead, and (2) he's no fool, doddering or otherwise.
You are though. It's a rough to lose a parent twice, once to Alzheimers and then again as we all will go. Since you've seen fit to accuse, I will point out that you are the one bringing a dead parent into the mix to score a cheap and embarrassing debate point. "Love" is blind!
I think I'll just have casual sex tonight. After Romney, I couldn't possibly feel more violated (or bored).
Lindsey's picture personifies her words. It's not hard to imagine her fighting off a migraine with a smoke and asking her partner, "Are you about done back there?"
There was no Simpson-Bowles Commission report, more
Yeah! There was no report!
What did Obama do next?
Barack Obama stood in Janesville and used the plant as an example of how great his stimulus plan was and that the plant (and thus the people) of Wisocnsin would benefit from Obama's use of the stimulus
Why couldn't Obama's stimulus package go back in time to save a plant! A plant owned by a company conservatives hate, workers they hate, and a stimulus plan conservatives hate!
Modern conservatism in action. Disingenuous to the core.
Gotta love the transvestites like Love/Jeremy.
For the sake of argument, why don't you stay single-gendered?
We've been through the test of my hypothesis before. You failed.
Lindsey's picture personifies her words. It's not hard to imagine her fighting off a migraine with a smoke and asking her partner, "Are you about done back there?"
Can we stop with the personal shit please?
What we know is this: Obama appointed a committee, National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, to "improve the fiscal situation in the medium term and to achieve fiscal sustainability over the long run" The committee came up with a report/plan but the super majority of the committee failed to approve the plan, hence, as garbage's little mind has endlessly pointed out, no "official" report was ever released.
Since that time, Obama hasn't done jack shit to improve the economy, lower unemployment or institute fiscal responsibility in the federal government. He's steered a course which has greatly increased the deficit and national debt creating a tremendous burden for future generations.
But, no problem, garbage and allieoops need to argue over the "officialness" of reports. Next, they'll tackle the question of "DID Obama say 'we would have unemployment at 8 percent and no higher.'?"
Hint: Obama didn't say it But, Christina Romer, chairwoman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, and Jared Bernstein, the vice president's top economic adviser did. Obviously, we can't hold Obama responsible for anything his advisers or aides say.
garage mahal said...
Why couldn't Obama's stimulus package go back in time to save a plant!
You tell 'em, dumbass!
I mean, it isn't as if GM got a $16 billion dollar loan before the plant closed or anything!
And, and, and, plants that close are never reopened.
EVER!!!!!
Idiot.
Jay - 57 production employees worked at the plant when it closed.
Once again...the "facts" of the matter:
The Washington Post's Greg Sargent on Thursday interviewed a Ryan-supporting Wisconsin businessman, who argued that the plant may have been unsalvageable, even with significant government support.
"This morning, I spoke to a leading business official in Janesville, Wisconsin, who was at the center of efforts to save the GM plant -- one who supports Paul Ryan -- and he offered a nuanced version of the history that strains simplistic interpretations," Sargent reported.
"The official, John Beckord, who heads the pro-business group Forward Janesville , makes two key points.
First, that the market for the GM product in question collapsed much faster than anyone expected it would at the time of Obama’s speech.
Second, that there is no telling whether the plant would have reopened, even if the economy had recovered faster."
How does Obama have anything to do with this...the plant closed before he was ecen in office.
And, and, and, plants that close are never reopened.
So you're saying it should be reopened? Would Romney/Ryan reopen it? Can the Federal government reopen it? Explain to us how that works.
Jay - "Government support for the plant, however, was a big if -- and it wasn't an if that came through for the plant under the Bush administration.
Romney, meanwhile, opposed the auto bailout, which puts the campaign in the awkward spot of criticizing Obama for not intervening enough in the private sector with government bailouts."
So Bush did nothing, Romeny favored bankruptcy...and somehow Obama was to blame?
Only in Ryan and the teabagger's minds.
Love said...
Jay - 57 production employees worked at the plant when it closed.
Actually it was 100.
Moron.
chickelit - "Gotta love the transvestites like Love/Jeremy."
I have no idea what that even means.
Do YOU?
When Paul Ryan wanted to save the Janesville plant from closing in 2008, he wrote a letter to GM. Why didn't he send it to Bush?
Love - Uh...Romeny has a law degree.
Uh, the fact that he has a law degree does not mean he ever worked as a lawyer, Love. Funny how that works love...many, if not most careers, do not track in sync with education, degrees received.
Love - Love said...
The Chipper thinks Clint was "hilarious."
Well,that settles it.
Except of course, for what Mrs. Romney, Paul Ryan and other leading Republicans thought of it."
Chip S is entitled to his opinion - which in most cases appears to be quite freely given with no concern of what others think of his opinion.
And saying a comedy skit some liked was not good because others didn't like it is not a very effective rebuttal.
IMO, Clint had some very funny moments in with a few stumbles....and set a trap that worked judging from the howls of derision and ageist taunts that liberals made afterwards, which proved just how thin-skinned liberals and Obamites are when their snark and irony is turned back on them. And mocking Clint as an old fool doesn't exactly help the Obamites win the senior vote or the Independent Boomers that admire Eastwood precisely because he straddles the ideological fence yet has strong opinions that alternately swing from one side to the other.
Jay - You're confusing "production" workers with the 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" who worked to decommission the plant.
They weren't "building anyting," moron...they were shutting the plant down.
Gallup ~ Obama 47 / Romney 46 ~ Obama +1
ok, ok, it'll take a couple days for High Plains Drifter bounce.
Once again...the "facts" of the matter:
Hilarious.
What's even funnier is that makes Obama's statement to keep the plant open even worse.
Keep flailing.
Whatever "Love".
Love said...
So Bush did nothing,
The Bush Administration gave GM a $16 billion dollar loan in December of 2008.
Idiot.
Love said...
Jay - You're confusing "production" workers with the 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" who worked to decommission the plant.
They weren't "building anyting," moron
You're looking to wrestle away the title of illiterate moron from garage.
Note from the article:
April will mark the end of vehicle production at the Janesville plant that traces its roots to 1919 and the Samson Model M tractor. Chevrolet production started in Janesville in 1923.
The Isuzu line and its employees build about 25 trucks four days a week
Of course you're dumb enough to believe that building a truck isn't building anything.
creeley23 said...
" They have nothing positive for Obama to run on."
Obamacare isn't the death of the republic. It is our entrance into the civilized world.
His greatest accomplishment was in keeping us from running completely into the ditch that Bush dug. He has had to deal with one disaster after another. That we can still buy fuel and food is a monument to his ability.
Love said...
Jay - You're confusing "production" workers with the 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" who worked to decommission the plant.
No simpleton. I'm talking about the 100 employees building trucks in April 2009.
You're here posting lies.
It is going to be interesting to see how Hollywood reacts to Eastwood's performance. He has them stuck between a rock and a hard place – if they criticize him, they are validating the theme that they are ultra-liberal, and out-of-touch with a lot of America, and they will be “picking” on the elderly. If they don’t criticize him, they are not responding to his very surgical disemboweling of Pres Obama’s administration.
Love said...
Jay - You're confusing "production" workers with the 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" who worked to decommission the plant.
From the article:
Whether 100 employees are ultimately laid off remains to be seen
Can you read love?
Or do you enjoy going through life being so dumb?
Love wrote: I have no idea what that even means.
Do YOU?
You have a knack for decending into that pathetic syntax of Jeremy every time you show and get cornered. You become indistinguishable from Jeremy. I'll check back in a few hours to see if it happened again.
blessings, take care
He has had to deal with one disaster after another.
Like a terrorist attack on our soil and the resulting economic impact?
Like a once-in-a-lifetime hurricane slamming into a poorly-designed city in the Gulf?
chickelit - Once again, I have no idea what you mean by being "cornered."
I see no example of that.
Do YOU?
It is our entrance into the civilized world.
Hyperbolize much?
Why are lefties so dedicated to defending this obvious lie about a lie (the plant-closing)? What is their motivation?
garage mahal said...
So you're saying it should be reopened?
No stupid. I'm saying Obama's policies are an abject failure.
See, he's the one who said " I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America."
and obviously lied.
His greatest accomplishment was in keeping us from running completely into the ditch that Bush dug
Must be all those jobs saved.
EMD - "Like a terrorist attack on our soil and the resulting economic impact?
Of which Bush ignored a direct warning, then lauched a fiasco called the Iraqi invasion, based on WMD bullshit?
"Like a once-in-a-lifetime hurricane slamming into a poorly-designed city in the Gulf?"
You're actually trying to defend Bush's response to Katrina??
C'mon...
Bob Ellison said...
Why are lefties so dedicated to defending this obvious lie about a lie (the plant-closing)? What is their motivation
To deflect from the fact that the Obama policy of " our government is there to support you" is an abject failure.
Since they can't defend the abject failure President, they're trying to make the conversation about Ryan.
EMD - It's difficult to "save jobs" during a massive worldwide recession...that's why it's called a "recession."
Business 101.
Love said...
Of which Bush ignored a direct warning,
Hilarious.
From 1 lie, right to the next.
Keep flailing jeremy.
Love said...
EMD - It's difficult to "save jobs" during a massive worldwide recession...that's why it's called a "recession."
Business 101.
Your comments are pathetically ignorant and stupid.
Retard 101.
Bob Ellison - The lefties aren't defending Ryan's lies.
YOU are.
"Of which Bush ignored a direct warning, then lauched a fiasco called the Iraqi invasion, based on WMD bullshit?"
Correction: the invasion was not a fiasco, it was successful (finally). Basing on WMD was a fiasco but only important, in the end, to people who wanted to see Bush (and the U.S. and allies) fail.
Love said 'EMD - It's difficult to "save jobs" during a massive worldwide recession...that's why it's called a "recession."'
Oh, so doing obvious things, like de-regulating, lowering taxes, approving the Keystone XL pipeline, are difficult.
These acts are difficult because Obama's supporters don't like them. But they would help job creation and economic growth.
Love, are "Ryan's lies"?
Same people still want to see U.S. fail.
Jay - Once again:
From the Janesville Gazette. HEADLINE: "Thursday is last day of production as Isuzu line comes to end. April 21, 2009."
"57 production employees continued assembly work at the Janesville Assembly until April 2009, completing the GM/Isuzu light truck partnership and then an additional 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" worked to decommission the plant."
Sorry; missed a word: what are Ryan's lies?
ove said...
Jay - Once again:
From the Janesville Gazette. HEADLINE: "Thursday is last day of production as Isuzu line comes to end. April 21, 2009."
Yes, the plant was not closed before Obama took office.
You claimed it was.
Yes, they were building things.
You claimed they were not.
You are now bizarrely claiming the trade employees are not important or part of GM.
Or something.
Jeremy/Love--where have you been dude? havent seen you on the blog in quite a while.
No stupid. I'm saying Obama's policies are an abject failure.
What specific policy Obama enacted failed the Janesville plant? Or are you saying Obama didn't enact a policy to save the plant?
Meade - "Same people still want to see U.S. fail."
You must be referring to the "party of no."
It's their only chance of regaining the White House...America (and of course, President Obama) failing.
Maybe that's why they began working to defeat him the very day he was elected:
WASHINGTON -- As President Barack Obama was celebrating his inauguration at various balls, top Republican lawmakers and strategists were conjuring up ways to submarine his presidency at a private dinner in Washington.
The event -- which provides a telling revelation for how quickly the post-election climate soured.
The guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith.
garage mahal said...
What specific policy Obama enacted failed the Janesville plant?
Er:
And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to retool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."
The government was there to support GM to the tune of over $40 billion.
That one.
Duh.
Jeremy/Love--finally remembered your earlier nic: Lucky Old Son
At any rate good to see you back.
Roger J. - "Jeremy/Love--where have you been dude? havent seen you on the blog in quite a while."
I've been working with Clint, refining his verbal skills.
So far...not so good.
Garage: Why couldn't Obama's stimulus package go back in time to save a plant!
Because it was designed to wreck the US economy in current time, silly.
I'll type S-L-O-W-L-Y for you, Garage, so you can keep up.
The June 2009 GM bankruptcy filing, giving the Federal Gov't 61% control, occurred only two months after the Janesville plant was fully idled.
Remember, Barack Obama was president in June 2009.
It was then within GM's discretion to re-tool and re-activate Janesville plant -- they (being, remember, 61% owned by the Federal Gov't) opted instead to re-activate Spring Hill, TN, instead.
So, Barack Obama not only promised (twice) to keep Janesville open (100 years!) while he was a candidate, he failed to re-open it since he became President. Passed it over in favor of another (right-to-work State) GM facility, he did.
Barack Obama: promises...promises.
"I've been working with Clint, refining his verbal skills."
Do you think a comment like that, an attitude like that, is going to win support for your side?
Obama re-election is now at 57.2% on Intrade.
It was then within GM's discretion to re-tool and re-activate Janesville plant
And not at Obama's discretion? Whoa.
I'll assume you are happy with the workers who weren't displaced at other plants due to infusion of money from the government.
I think it's awesome you guys are finally concerned about the plight of GM workers though. We might be really starting to make some progress here!
Love lies again. I never said she called anyone "small balled", I pointed out that "cunt" was someone else's reply to someone who had called Romney that, and that Love had not (and still has not) shown any sign of thinking that "small-balled" is unacceptable language. I would have thought that the two insults were of approximately equal offensiveness, and that the one who started it was therefore far more at fault than the one who replied in kind. The fact that 'Love' vehemently objects to the one aimed right-to-left while she can't come up with even the mildest objection to the one that had already been aimed left-to-right except to say that she didn't say it, strongly suggests that 'Love' is, as already noted, a filthy foul-mouthed disgusting hypocrite who thinks only her side is entitled to defile the other with foul language, and that the other side isn't even allowed to reply in kind when her side starts it.
This statement of 'Love' is simply and utterly false: "You're the idiots who came up with the moniker (screaming about 'teabagging' the Democrats at rallies), and you've been whining about people using the term ever since."
Anyone who bothers to check the chronology will find that 'Love' has it precisely backwards. Smirking lefties started the whole 'teabagger' thing, and a few on the right got tired of filthy abuse and replied in kind is irrelevant, but most of us find it offensive. I make a point of not using 'Democrat' as an adjective because for some reason it really pisses off Democrats (the noun), but somehow asking them to reciprocate by not using a foul obscenity is asking too much.
So, 'Love': you want to call people 'teabaggers'? Go ahead. I will call you 'asslicker' every time you do. Fair enough, asslicker?
Dr Weevil, it was Anderson Cooper who made the "teabagger" term famous. Cooper recently came out as gay. He hasn't yet admitted that he's a jerk.
Bob Ellison:
1, He ccused President Obama of “raiding” Medicare by taking the exact same $716 billion that Ryan and the House GOP notoriously voted to slash.
(It in fact strives to "save" that amount via closer scrutiny on drugs cost, etc.)
2. He attacked Obama for failing to keep open a Janesville GM plant that closed under Bush in 2008.
3. He whined about Obama for a credit-rating downgrade that S&P essentially blamed on GOP intransigence.
4. He claimed that all taxpayers got from the 2009 stimulus was “more debt,” when most got a tax cut (and the stimulus is known to have saved between 1.4 and 3.3 million jobs).
5. He derided the president for walking away from the Simpson Bowles commission deficit-cutting recommendations when Ryan himself...a commission member...voted against those recommendations. (DUH)
6. He also blamed Obama for a deficit mostly created by programs he himself voted for – from two wars, tax cuts, new Medicare benefits and TARP.
7. And of course, he repeated the ridiculous charge that the president said “government gets the credit” for small businesses, not the business owners themselves.
Actual comment:
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business – you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the internet so that all the companies could make money off the internet."
Garage: And not at Obama's discretion? Whoa.
I assumed you'd be able to connect the contemporaneous 61% Federal Gov't ownership stake and Obama Presidency (US Treasury holds the shares, Treasury Sec'y reports to the President).
It appears I gave you too much credit.
Love: If you've got a business – you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
I was going to say "it's like clubbing baby seals" with these libs, but it's more like "it's like watching baby seals club themselves."
In which love displays his copy / paste skills. Well done, Love. That's good. We've seen all that before.
You must be referring to the "party of no."
Nope, the party of O. Party of One. The One.
The party of Harry R.
Love said...
Only in Ryan and the teabagger's minds.
It's pretty amusing the jackass chiding others for responding to personal insults with personal insults....refers to others with personal insults. But what can you expect? If leftists had an ounce of honesty between them they wouldn't be leftists.
Lindsey Meadows said...
Obamacare isn't the death of the republic. It is our entrance into the civilized world. His greatest accomplishment was in keeping us from running completely into the ditch that Bush dug. He has had to deal with one disaster after another. That we can still buy fuel and food is a monument to his ability.
This may be the most insipid blather I've ever read. Maybe the country will luck out and one of the speeches at the Dem convention will include something similar.
Bob Ellison - Although Cooper did indeed use the term...
...it was the "Tea Party Patriots" who started out calling themselves teabaggers. They claimed they were going to start a "new Boston Tea Party" to protest high taxes. Their form of demonstration was to send a teabag to the White House, and then decided that because they were "teabagging" the White House they would be "teabaggers." At one of their rallies, they liked to hold up a sign that said "teabag the liberal democrats before they teabag you."
A bad choice of words...and now you're stuck with it.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-tea-party-signs.htm?x=241&y=103&PS=764%3A3
"It appears I gave you too much credit."
It's an easy mistake to make when you assume the integrity of your opposite is a given.
Marshall...once again:
It was the "Tea Party Patriots" who started out calling themselves teabaggers. They claimed they were going to start a "new Boston Tea Party" to protest high taxes.
Their form of demonstration was to send a teabag to the White House, and then decided that because they were "teabagging" the White House they would be "teabaggers."
At one of their rallies, they liked to hold up a sign that said "teabag the liberal democrats before they teabag you."
Don't blame me...blame the idiots who started it.
Love, you did a really nice job on the talking points there. Not the same order, not the same number, and even re-wording.
But: this makes you sound like a shill. So does this.
--Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive--
Is he talking about a few pieces of paper that are over 100 years old and contain "negative rights?"
It was then within GM's discretion to re-tool and re-activate Janesville plant -- they (being, remember, 61% owned by the Federal Gov't) opted instead to re-activate Spring Hill, TN, instead..
So this WAS GM's decision? I guess I don't follow you fully. Good question: Can Obama pick and choose [oh noes!] when/where/which GM plants can operate? I don't know the answer. Why isn't Ryan pissed at GM for moving to TN?
Garage posted:
From your link: The first vote on the final recommendations, originally set for December 1, 2010, was delayed until December 3 when the commission fell short of the supermajority of 14 of 18 votes needed to approve the report.
You hate filled racist/sexist/homophobia/greedy/misogynist right wing wackos need to apologize to Garage and Obama!
How could the President possibly go forward with a plan that fell short of a super majority???????
What kind of fundie crazies are you anyway?
Next you'll be saying that the President could have take the report as starting point to build a spending plan!
Do you have some kind of insane idea that a President could submit his own budget, without a super majority vote of a committee that includes Ryan the Wrecker?
Do you somehow imagine that the President could call a meeting with the leaders of both houses, handed out copies of this discredited 'report', and told them that nobody leaves the room until they work something out that they all hate equally?
Sure, JFK, LBJ, Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, and Bush 43 were all able to pass budgets that contained compromises with the other party.
But those guys lived in simpler times, when Presidents could make things happen.
Those were the good old days before the country gave Congressman Ryan a veto power over every fiscal decision the President might make!
President Obama couldn't possibly have done anything like that, because his commission couldn't come up with a super majority!
How could we expect our President to accomplish anything when all those fat white Republithugs were crowded in to the back of the bus?
Obama tried to steer the bus, but all that lard in the back lifted the front wheels off the ground! Who could go forward in a bus like that???!!!??
Our only hope is for the country to turn control of both houses over to The People's Democrat Party!
Once Obama has total control then he can drive bus forward!
Our current problems are entirely the fault of rich white religious nutjobs!!!
Furious - Once again:
President Obama:
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.
You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill.
That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea.
You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”
Love said...
Marshall...once again:
It was the "Tea Party Patriots" who started out calling themselves teabaggers.
You keep saying this like if you repeat it enough it might become true. That only works in LeftistFantasyLand.
And it doesn't bother me if you say it. If you want to sign each of your missives "I'm an juvenile asshole" it doesn't bother me a bit. But don't whine about our pointing out your signature. If you don't like us pointing it out don't use it.
Lindsey Meadows said...
Obamacare isn't the death of the republic. It is our entrance into the civilized world....
Via Insty:
NEWS FROM THE WORLD OF GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE: Caesareans and pain relief for mothers giving birth ‘should be cut to save the NHS money.’ “Family doctors are being told to try to talk women out of having Caesareans and very strong painkillers during birth to save the NHS money. New guidelines drawn up for GPs urge them to encourage women to have natural labours with as little medical help as possible. They also remind doctors to tell women to consider having their babies outside hospital in midwife-run units or in their own homes.”
A. Don't tell Bloomberg
B. That "civilized world" was built on the backs of the US Taxpayer & Military.
Now that those supports are winding down, it won't be as "civilized" as you think.
Bob Ellison - You asked and I delivered.
The fact that you refuse to believe what he actually said was either completely untrue or skewed to such a degree to be laughable...just proves that you don't really want to hear what you do't already believe.
Why not man up and admit that you were wrong?
Marshal said "You keep saying this like if you repeat it enough it might become true." Keep in mind that they are reading from Lenin's and Geobbels's textbooks.
Marshal - I repeat it because it is the truth.
Do the baggers ever admit it when they're wrong?
Bob Ellison said...
Marshal said "You keep saying this like if you repeat it enough it might become true." Keep in mind that they are reading from Lenin's and Geobbels's textbooks.
But what makes them think we are?
Hey, look! When 'Love' is tossing around filthy insults, he's also lying. Here's her 12:37pm comment in full:
"Jay - All but four Republicans voted in favor of Ryan's plan. No Democrats did.
"This makes it some kind of holy grail?
"For the teabaggers maybe."
According to this contemporary news report, 4 Democrats and 3 (not 4) Republicans voted against the plan, and they name two Democrats who voted for it, senators Durbin of Illinois and Conrad of ND. Wikipedia says the committee had 10 Democrats and 8 Republicans, so those who voted in favor must have been 6 Democrats and 5 Republicans.
That makes the first paragraph of Love's comment as ignorant and dishonest as her third paragraph was foul and insulting. Par for the course?
Of course, 11 out of 18 should be enough to approve any report, but the 14-vote supermajority requirement was something "which Mr. Obama demanded in his February executive order establishing the panel".
According to this report, the plan was brought up for a vote in the house in March of this year, and defeated 382-38, with only 16 Republicans and 22 Democrats voting for it, "just minutes" after the President's own plan was defeated 414-0. Again, it's supported by more Democrats than Republicans.
Love, "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
There, I copied and pasted that! That makes it good, right? It's an OK thing to say, right?
Teabaggers continued:
http://media.reason.com/mc/jwalker/2009_10/teabagging.jpg?h=225&w=300
Meade you have it backwards, rational folks do and did not want to see the US fail in Iraq, they just didn't want the US to start a needless war that cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives only to have Iraq partner with Iran. Interesting that the GM plant was in Ryan's district and yet there is no mention of what he did to help them stay open other than suggesting they declare bankruptcy, which is why so many GM workers in Janesville consider Ryan a phony.
Bob Ellison - What does your quote have to do with a group of far right wing nutcases stumbling into being called teabaggers?
Example: http://media.reason.com/mc/jwalker/2009_10/teabagging.jpg?h=225&w=300
That we can still buy fuel and food is a monument to his ability.
What the hell?
As it happens, I'm getting ready to run to the bank to deposit a paycheck in a few minutes. I could have sworn we were going to spend some of that on fuel and food, but I guess I've missed something.
What ARE you talking about, Lindsey?
Congratulations, asslicker 'Love'. You've found an example of something I already mentioned, that after the left and their media lapdogs started slathering on the sexual innuendo, repeatedly calling Tea Partiers and Tea Party Patriots 'teabaggers' and winking and snickering, some of the latter replied in kind. That doesn't mean we started it, and it doesn't make it OK for you to use it, asslicker. Don't like my epithet? It will stop when yours does, and not before, asslicker.
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