An old Woody Allen punchline that came up in conversation just now. It's from the movie "Annie Hall." The actress is Carol Kane.
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Whatever happened to Carol Kane? She had such interesting feminine beauty. I can't think of any actresses today who have the her style of beauty. Is it because they've all been surgically altered? I resist movies these days, in part because the actresses all look alike. Presumably, the look is beautiful, but it doesn't read as beautiful anymore, because they all look alike. This was all predicted in the "Twilight Zone" episode "Number 12 Looks Just Like You."
I know. It's not a day for talking about feminine beauty. It's a day for masculine beauty. It's Super Bowl Sunday, and here in Wisconsin "Number 12" is Aaron Rodgers, who is interestingly beautiful in an individualistic way. Which reminds me, despite my (and Meade's) resistance to watching movies, we did watch a movie last night: "Moneyball." It features the masculine beauty of Brad Pitt, who has to hide is splendor a bit in baggy pants, greasy hair, and constant munching of food, so he'll seem as though he belongs in the shabby office space and locker rooms of the Oakland Athletics baseball team (and not in the spiffy digs of the Boston Red Sox). Everyone else in the movie is pretty awful looking. He's bookended throughout by the Jonah Hill and Philip Seymour Hoffman, who seem to be in a competition over who most embodies the word "tubby." There's scarcely a woman anywhere in the movie, though there is at least one scene with the Robin Wright, who is beautiful in that boring way and who was once in a movie with Carol Kane.
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""I'm a bigot... but for the left.""
Interesting.
It's Super Bowl Sunday, and here in Wisconsin "Number 12" is Aaron Rodgers, who is interestingly beautiful in an individualistic way.
I've always found Tim Tebow more attractive.
Favorite Carol Kane character: Simka.
Tim Tebow has done too much muscle work. His shoulders are not proportional to the rest of his body.
It must be said that Carol Kane's interesting beauty was effectively concealed in The Princess Bride, a concealment that did nothing to diminish either her screen presence or performance.
Moneyball has no staying power. I saw it, thought... that's a pretty good movie...and instantly forgot it.
And it's true about Pitt, so good looking that the only movie milieu I could imagine him looking natural in would be as a ski instructor in Gstaad or Aspen.
I'm a bigot - but for freedom.
Funny how that never gets much traction anymore,...
Sofia Coppola is on the wrong side of the camera.
So what if she cant act.. there aren't many who can.
Hatman doing a little introspection? There's a switch.
But I digress...
I wouldn't call Carol Kane beautiful, although I will trot out a line I've used on occasion - not all women may be beautiful, but different women are beautiful in different ways.
And Ms Kane may have a beautiful soul, a sweet nature, and a generous heart; qualities more valuable than mere physical beauty, to be sure. Her looks are certainly striking and that, in the movie biz, is undoubtedly a plus for her, as she seems to be more of a character actress than a leading lady.
But, yes, by all means, let's talk about feminine beauty today.
The Super Bowl is anything but, usually.
As Joe Piscopo once described it, "Booze, drugs, hookers! Par-teh!!!".
And, yes, MadMan is right on Ms Kane.
"I'm a bigot... but for the left."
Like that's unusual?
Crack, like the Uncle Sam.
I was always enamored with Carol Kane.
"I'm a bigot... but for the left."
Like that's unusual?
A left-wing bigot is very common. Is there any other kind of left-winger?
"Moneyball has no staying power. I saw it, thought... that's a pretty good movie...and instantly forgot it."
It's an incredibly low-key movie. I heard Pitt on "The Daily Show" talking about how they almost couldn't get it made because the material wasn't cinematic. I like the way they didn't insert a lot of meaningless excitement and action but just went with the dullness.
Much of the movie was watching Brad Pitt *think*. They'd have him in his car and he'd do something with driving that would demonstrate his thought. Here is his *backing up" and here he is crossing 2 lanes to get to the off ramp.
How many movies are mainly about one guy thinking?
"Like that's unusual?/A left-wing bigot is very common. Is there any other kind of left-winger?"
What makes it funny is that he says something that's both true and rarely said. It's got the element of surprise and familiarity.
A left-wing bigot is very common. Is there any other kind of left-winger?
Who are all these left-wingers bigoted against? And before you say Christians, consider how many left-wingers are Christians.
Carol Kane is beautiful, conventionally so, but we don't see her that way because of her horrible voice.
...so he'll seem as though he belongs in the shabby office space and locker rooms of the Oakland Athletics baseball team (and not in the spiffy digs of the Boston Red Sox).
Haven't seen the movie. But ever been inside the bowels of Fenway Park? They've certainly done amazing renovations to what they have -- an exceedingly primitive brick ballpark -- but "spiffy"? I'll have to watch that movie.
"I resist movies these days, in part because the actresses all look alike."
On that same line because most of them suck er no originality as every plot line has been done/exhausted ad nauseaum ie nothing new under the sun.
Even Scarlett Johansson movies. :-P
Carol Kane, Miracle Max's wife:
YouTube
I am so out of touch with mainstream American culture, the only reason I know it is Superbowl Sunday is because I read it on some female lawprof's blog.
Left wing bigots indeed as (69.5) million voted for a Muslim born in Kenya in 2008, whereas two white guys, cheney/bush, got only 62 million in 2004.
When Althouse gets totally silly it's somewhat amusing. :)
"Carol Kane is beautiful, conventionally so, but we don't see her that way because of her horrible voice."
I think it's endearing.
The Coliseum in Oakland is an absolute dump.
The Cleveland Indians, featured in the movie, certainly had spiffier offices.
Pitt was probably the best actor to play Beane — who still has a boyish look about him.
Aaron Rodgers and Jerry Seinfeld were separated at birth and went in different directions.
Carol Kane reminded me of a fragile Alice in Wonderland.
I think Madeline Kahn was an interesting beauty, like Kane, but in the not-so-fragile category.
We watched this
Jean de Florette / Manon of the Spring
a two part French movie. A tragedy really. Great, if you like that kind of thing. I do.
The first part had a beautiful little girl, and the second an equally beautiful version of her at about 20.
What's different about Carol Kane's demure beauty is that she attracts love more than lust.
The more formulaic beauty you see in movies is targeted at lust.
Carol was FABULOUS as the wizard (Billy Crystal)'s wife. Oh, that was one funny movie, every part was perfectly cast. But Kane and Crystal were absolutely howling-mad, crazy funny in their supporting roles. Love her.
Well, that's an understatement!
Tank:
those two are worth watching for the scenery, if nothing else. (Not that I have anything against the movies otherwise.)
Ann Althouse said...
I resist movies these days, in part because the actresses all look alike. Presumably, the look is beautiful, but it doesn't read as beautiful anymore, because they all look alike.
Gloria Swanson certainly agrees.
I'd question whether looking like a lot of other women disqualifies them as beautiful (I once heard someone describe the entire student body of BYU that way), but the point is not without merit.
After a few years in Hollyweird, actresses tend to have a homogenized look. You want somebody with a unique or ethnic look, get a theatrical actress (and that's been true since V-J Day).
Andy R. said...
A left-wing bigot is very common. Is there any other kind of left-winger?
Who are all these left-wingers bigoted against?
Anybody who doesn't toe their line.
Look in a mirror, frothy.
"Well, that's an understatement!"
hhh, what would be more "amusing" from a conservative perspective ...
Hagar's or summing up Althouse trying to be funny ~ that's redundant!
Conservative sarcasm, disingenuous or otherwise, being hard to define. :D
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carry on w/Carol Kane. :)
You are so right Paco.
And very reflects just what it's like there.
I haven't seen Monyball, but from the previews I thought Brad Pitt looked strikingly like Robert Redford.
"I'm a bigot... but for the left."
edutcher makes a good point. Notice Allen says he's a "bigot for the left," not a bigot who "happens to be..."
The cause excuses the bigotry.
I remember "Annie Hall!" And, I remember Woody's encounter with a live lobster. And, he freaked out.
I don't remember the scene you put up though. I don't remember that it contained a reference to Eisenhower and Stevenson.
But over all these years, Woody's humor makes me laugh.
I just love Woody Allen's "stuff." He, himself said, that when he was a teenager, he could knock off 50 jokes in a day. He got his start by sending his "quick bites" (which he typed up into letters, and sent to to Walter Winchell. Who put them within his newspaper column.)
Do you have to be Jewish to enjoy Woody Allen's sense of humor?
OH! Back to "that" joke ... about "being a bigot for the left." Back then, Ronald Reagan would still have been a democrat.
Rush used to say (in jest) he would stay doing the show until everybody agreed with him.. maybe that was hes way of saying 'I'm not going to convince everybody'.
I'm not here for the saint.. nor for the very rotten to the core bigot.. I'm here for the bigot in the middle ;)
How many movies are mainly about one guy thinking?
A Beautiful Mind.
"I'm here for the bigot in the middle"
So he just panders to conservative bigots for his own amusement. :D
Much like Althouse ...
Tom Brady is to NFL quarterbacks what Brad Pitt is to Hollywood stars what Zuckerberg is to internet billionaires. There's only so much athletic ability, good looks, and money to go around, and it's totally unfair for such people to have such a disproportionate share. Pitt & Brady should be like Hugh Jackamn and marry an older woman with weight issues to deflect the attention of the dark furies.....Brady looks like he's the most blessed among the blessed, but, at the end of the day, I bet Eli Manning will have the more comfortable life. Compare Yogi Berra to Joe Dimaggio.
Who are all these left-wingers bigoted against? And before you say Christians, consider how many left-wingers are Christians.
How about this: CNN's John King calls Romney, 'Governor Mormon'?
Shiloh reminds me of Dangerfields joke..
Rodney was drowning and was yelling HELP! HELP!.. lifeguard comes over on a raft and says.. hey buddy.. lets keep it down, keep it down.
Thanks, Irene, I was trying to think of Madeleine Kahn as being in the same vein, that is 'dated' beauty. I think over time certain looks come into vogue, and Kane and Kahn would have been less unusual in, say, the Twenties. I guess I mean that, overall, societal looks morph through genetic selection.
Once,my sister was told she had an old-fashioned beauty, which she took as a left-handed compliment.
BTW..
Doesn't it seem like Romney is the Rodney Dangerfield of politics..
No respect.
Lem, Althouse lemmings remind me of another.
Now I know why tigers eat their young.
I wouldn't marry a Victoria Secret model or a Hollywood star. They all look alike. Give me a quirky beauty who has overcome the challenge of Hansen's disease.
hmm, Lem would be the perfect lemming lol.
carry on
Ms. Kane has always been one of my great celebrity crushes. I think she is one of the most beautiful actress there is.
Always went for the "pixie" look, and classic semitic beauty. Kane personifies them both.
Rowr. :)
before you say Christians, consider how many left-wingers are Christians.
There are few few "left wingers" who lead a Christian life.
Supporting abortion, gay marriage, and big government forcing religions to pay for contraceptives, as a few examples clearly indicate this.
Otherwise, it is quite clear the modern "progressives" are bigoted against anyone who doesn't think like them.
If you want me to provide examples of leftists wishing death on their political opponents, I'll be happy to.
Carry on what?
"I'd question whether looking like a lot of other women disqualifies them as beautiful..."
You're questioning something I never said.
Andy R. said...
Who are all these left-wingers bigoted against? And before you say Christians, consider how many left-wingers are Christians.
Hysterical.
Andy R. said...
Sounds better than someone who is dumb enough to be a sincere Christian in the 21st century.
1/15/12 1:57 PM
Coherence much?
BTW, in the original TZ episode, the Kane role was played by Collin Wilcox, who always did Plain Jane roles.
Lem said...
BTW..
Doesn't it seem like Romney is the Rodney Dangerfield of politics.
No respect.
That's Santorum.
The media machine is already gearing up for Milton, Bruce, via Insta, points out.
That's respect.
The use of natural facial expressions and eyes to reveal inner thoughts is always interesting. But two things interfere with that: one is a person looking like a statue placed onto a perfect body. The other is a lack of inner thoughts inside of them.
So The Professor must see the interesting as the beautiful in both Rodgers and Kane.
We watched The Firm the other night. The brunette actress that played Tom Cruise's wife had that beauty from being interesting. She also played the detective's psychologist girlfriend in Basic Instinct...the one who dies in the end.
"That's respect."
No, that's inevitability.
Bruce Hayden,
How about this: CNN's John King calls Romney, 'Governor Mormon'?
That's not bigotry:
big·ot·ry [big-uh-tree] noun, plural -ries.
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
I saw Glenn Reynolds labeled it as such also. I swear, the man's a fucking moron. Your (and his) own ignorance is the crime here.
You guys are going to force this creep into office on lies - just like they did Obama.
It's the same fucking nightmare all over again,..
Coherence much?
The claim regarding bigotry was about all left-wingers, not just me.
My feelings about people who believe in fairy tales are well known.
Ann Althouse said...
"I'd question whether looking like a lot of other women disqualifies them as beautiful..."
You're questioning something I never said.
You said, "Presumably, the look is beautiful, but it doesn't read as beautiful anymore, because they all look alike".
Sure sounds like it to me. You made the point if a woman looks like many other women, that doesn't "read as" beautiful.
If the standard of beauty in a culture is a certain set of attributes and many women have them, with nothing else to detract from their looks, then that culture regards them as all beautiful.
You seem to be saying that beauty also requires a certain uniqueness - a point I don't necessarily dispute - and, if number 12 looks exactly like numbers 13 - 13,000,000, she really isn't beautiful. I'll give you the point that, when one girl looks like all the others, it can get a little prosaic, but that doesn't disqualify her as not being beautiful.
AndyR. Your bigotry is well known.
tg, the one you're thinking of is Jeanne Tripplehorne.
Crack, gotta disagree. Insta and Bruce nailed it.
Re: beauty ~ I know it when I see it! ~ Potter Stewart
'nuf said!
I was kind of thinking Christina Ricci. (Her eyes are so far apart!) But looking at pictures, she seems to be more in the conventionally attractive sphere than not. Plus, she's had plastic surgery, which is unbelievable.
I happened to watch the 'Number 12" Twilight Zone episode during Christmas time, and posted a link to that video here I believe. Very prophetic.
The beauties we have in Hollywood now are mostly uninteresting mannequins. Maybe this is Uma Thurman's appeal. She's outside the mold.
Tank,
We watched this
Jean de Florette / Manon of the Spring
a two part French movie. A tragedy really. Great, if you like that kind of thing. I do.
The first part had a beautiful little girl, and the second an equally beautiful version of her at about 20.
Wonderful! Those two were Claude Berri's "love letter" to the French people, and yes, it's a tragedy. But that's what France is without the marketing - small-mindedness, lying, superstition, ambition mixed with pride, multiple betrayals and murders - not without charm, but as dangerous as being caught in a riot. (What did the hunchback do to deserve his fate?) And all of it, ultimately, in the service of nothing. I'd feel sorry for the French if they weren't so venal.
At least, here, we generally can spot the bad guys.
edutcher,
Crack, gotta disagree. Insta and Bruce nailed it.
Even with the definition of bigotry in front of you?
Incredible.
Andy R. said...
Coherence much?
The claim regarding bigotry was about all left-wingers, not just me.
Who cares?
You call left wingers who are sincere Christians (not that there are many of them) stupid, right?
You are all critical of Obama for claiming to be so religious and invoking Jesus for higher taxes, right?
My feelings about people who believe in fairy tales are well known.
Considering you believe in a multitude of things that are untrue (and can be demonstrated so with a small amount of critical thinking and intellectual curiosity), who would care about your opinion?
"Who are all these left-wingers bigoted against?"
Jews. Even if a lot of Jews are left-wingers. There has been vastly more open antisemitism at the OWS rallies/encampments/cesspools than *any* kind of bigotry at the Tea Party rallies despite the best efforts of the MSM to suggest the opposite.
The Crack Emcee said...
edutcher,
Crack, gotta disagree. Insta and Bruce nailed it.
Even with the definition of bigotry in front of you?
'Fraid so. We're gonna hafta agree to disagree on this one.
"Number 12..."
Sorry, but that is the wrong numerology number. Here is Calipso Louie to set you straight at the Million Man March in October of 1995 (with thanks to Rush Limbaugh.)
"FARRAKHAN: In the background is the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial. Each one of these monuments is 19 feet high. Abraham Lincoln, the 16th president; Thomas Jefferson, the third president. And 16 and three make 19 again!
What is so deep about this number, 19? Why are we standing on the capitol steps today? That number 19, when you have a nine, you have a woman that is pregnant; and when you have a one standing by the nine, it means that there's something secret that has to be unfolded. Abraham Lincoln's statue: 19 feet high, 19 feet wide! Jefferson: 19 feet high, 16th and the third president, 19; standing on the steps of the Capitol in the light of the sun, offering life to a people who are dead!"
There was actually an actress who played the part of Brad Pitt's wife in Moneyball, but they cut out all of her scenes as a way to make him seem lonelier/more focused. Imagine how heartbreaking that must be for the actress.
I think Dianne Wiest fits the bill for beauty of an earlier era
http://i2.listal.
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wiest.jpg
I think she's one of the most beautiful actresses.
edutcher,
'Fraid so. We're gonna hafta agree to disagree on this one.
Fine, so what's your beef with the definition? How does it fit "Governor Mormon"? Please, connect the two - I need some insight into how that can be done.
And a "gut feeling" don't count,...
gadfly,
"Number 12..."
Sorry, but that is the wrong numerology number.
LOL!
I can still remember listening to Farrakhan and, with my mouth hanging open, thinking, "this asshole is blowing the greatest moment since MLK's speech - for this?"
I knew nothing about NewAge, back then, but I definitely knew Calipso Louie was totally fucked in the head,...
...who has to hide is splendor a bit in baggy pants
Is that what they're calling it these days?
My feelings about people who believe in fairy tales are well known.
What about fairy tails?
"There are few few 'left wingers' who lead a Christian life."
There are few Christians who lead a Christian life.
I really liked Moneyball. After all, it's a movie about a business manager making a big, risky business decision; and, because of who he is, that decision results in drama and tension. Impressive that such a plot could be presented compellingly!
My favorite aspect of it is Brad Pitt's character. He's quirky, unusual, dedicated and driven... and possibly brilliant too. It was an inspiring portrayal for Men who want to achieve something. And it is a nice break from all the movies that drown themselves in Feminism.
"There has been vastly more open antisemitism at the OWS rallies/encampments/cesspools than *any* kind of bigotry at the Tea Party rallies despite the best efforts of the MSM to suggest the opposite."
Do tell.
Where can we see evidence of this "vast open antisemitism" at OWS gatherings?
How many movies are mainly about one guy thinking?
Breaking Bad is a whole TV series that is mainly about one guy thinking.
It's another Man show. And a huge hit!
Crack, "Governor Mormon" was a tell.
Just like Newt's moonbase was a tell.
The big idea central planner isn't looking to roll back government; he has big plans all by and for the glory of the "definer of civilizations."
Breaking Bad is a killer show.
As far as Brad Pitt, I don't care for him as an actor. His acting seems, to me, to be making some kind of monkeyish expressions...don't know how to describe it better.
But, I like the movie Spy Game, and have seen it twice. I never picked up on him mimicking Redford.
One of Carol's best movies is her role in Tree's Lounge as the bartender.
big·ot·ry [big-uh-tree] noun, plural -ries.
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
I was a bit dissatisfied with the Definition that Crack gave us, because it felt a bit limiting in how I had seen the word used. So I Googled a bunch of other definitions of the word. For one thing, Crack's definition doesn't mention race and other such characteristics. And, several sites include "racist" as a subset of "bigot".
For a lot of us, Archie Bunker was the stereotypical bigot. He hated, or at least looked down upon, pretty much anyone who was not of his race, religion, or ethnic background.
Here is a somewhat broader definition of bigot from Wiktionary:
bigot (plural bigots)
1. One who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.
2. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Let me suggest that John King would never have called Gingrich or Santorum the "Catholic Candidate", or McCain the "Military Candidate", Obama the "Unqualified Candidate", etc. Yet, it is somehow now socially acceptable to call Romney the "Mormon Candidate". And, let me point out that John King is a CNN "news anchor", which would seem to suggest to me that he had somewhat of a duty here to not pander to prejudices, as I think some think he did here.
deborah, Pitt was in "A River Runs Through It", directed I believe by Redford. I swear, it was like watching Redford as a young man. At least to me.
Jean de Florette / Manon of the Spring
Emmanuel Beart ( MI) at her best.
It was the first movie I toke my( now) wife to watch , around 20 years ago
Actress? Monica Bellucci. Manuela Arcuri. Emmanuel Beart. The french and italians finally learn the lesson. Good stories and beautiful women.
And among VS models Alessandra Ambrosio. You know, there is a world outside the USA
LilEvie,
Crack, "Governor Mormon" was a tell.
We aren't discussing your assumptions about what's a tell, or code words, but "bigotry." Don't forget - this is the Romney dodge:
“Someone takes a shot at the governor’s faith, we put a scarlet letter on them, RB, religious bigot.”
The whole point, as proven here (by Ann and others) and on Instapundit, is the charge doesn't have to be true - they (and Romney's supporters) just throw it out, like Obama & Co. throw out "racist." I don't remember anyone in the Bigot Brigade liking that, or not being able to see it, but here they are doing it themselves.
I will point out further that neither Ann nor Glenn is highlighting this insidious Obama-like strategy on their blogs, but playing along with it.
You guys may not like my take on these matters, but, if there was any bigotry directed at either Romney or Mormonism, I would defend them as vociferously as I do the Jews. I try to be fair that way.
There is NOTHING right or fair about deciding Romney's cult is off-limits, or calling anyone who mentions it, questions it, or even attacks it, a bigot. There are many good things about Mormonism, but there is the very bad as well (the open desire for a "theodemocracy," which, if a Christian said it, would have everyone up in arms) and the potential for us having a president too gullible to say none of the figures in the relatively-recent Mormon theology ever existed, or that Joseph Smith was a con man, or the "golden plates" story is too stupid for a normal person to accept, is definitely NOT a sign of a healthy republic.
We will have this debate whether anyone wants it or not - nobody forced Mitt, or Newt (who I used to support) and Cain, to run - so stop playing their protectors and let the cards fall where they may:
A thorough vetting is part of the process.
It's not your job, as a citizen, just to support someone but to help us find the right man.
Calling everyone trying to do that, or who mentions the central issue to understanding Romney's character, a "bigot" isn't how that's done.
From Wikipedia re Richard Long (Sig):
Long had cardiac problems throughout his adult life and had suffered a heart attack in the latter 1950s. As a boy, he had suffered pneumonia, which apparently weakened his heart. He was also a heavy smoker and drinker. He died December 21, 1974, at age 47, after suffering multiple heart attacks at Tarzana Treatment Centers in Los Angeles. He was cremated, and his ashes were scattered at sea.
I guess the heavy smoking and drinking wasn't a good call.
Bruce Hayden,
I was a bit dissatisfied with the Definition that Crack gave us, because it felt a bit limiting in how I had seen the word used.
I got it from Dictionary.com. Who cares what Wiktionary says? I have to be skeptical of everything on Wikipedia, but I'm going to trust them? Come on. Here's Webster's for bigot:
big·ot noun \ˈbi-gət\
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
Sorry, but "Governor Mormon" doesn't cut it.
Thanks for the tip, Deb, I definitely have to look into it.
You should have checked Merriam-Webster:
bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
"bigot: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices"
Covers most who frequent political blogs on a regular basis, some more than others ...
obstinately ~ Difficult to manage, control, or subdue ~ Jay in a nutshell. :D
I've always found Tim Tebow more attractive.
Indeed. But none of it matters if he doesn't play well in the NFL. In religion vs football, football wins. Football is what gives religion its attractiveness and allure. Pretty much, he's gotta win or we do not care.
Last time, absolutely the last time, I am gonna say that.
Now go Patriots! I'm a traditionalist.
The talent is outrageous. In images there are very nice portraits of Carol Kane. Very beautiful. You might find this odd and I realize it is unfair but I categorize her with Cyndi Lauper, both amazing talents and both such delicate flowers.
Not.
Now that Cyndi Lauper is brought up, because they're so alike, can you imagine Carol Kane belting out Money Changes Everything while climbing into a garbage bin and lifted over the audience? Sure you can.
Robert Cook said...
Where can we see evidence of this "vast open antisemitism" at OWS gatherings?
Not that you're actually interested in finding out about it.
But, a US Park Police Officer was hit in the face with a brick today. Lovely people, those OWS'ers.
Oh, and here are OWS people carrying on about the Jews.
Oh, Jews control Wall Street.
Another article.
But you'll wave it all away in your mindless ignorance.
For unusual beauty you need to see actresses before they decide to get a nose job. Ellen Barkin in "The Big Easy"is stunning but unconventional.
I watched Midnight in Paris with my wife this week. I really enjoyed it, in spite of the stupid political statements that were in it. It was a very good story.
But I would say that the acting wasn't its strong point.
Hilarious camero commercial!!!!!
"Based on this infantile, myopic movie review we all hope you and your asshole husband go back to not watching movies. Try and make a friend or two for chrissake."
LOL. Dude, you forgot your TY avatar. You guys just don't have a life without trashing someone who's minding their own business and enjoying themselves.
consider how many left-wingers are Christians.
Haha NOW they're Christians.
How convenient. (And a way to get waway from the obvious.)
Obama patronized (but is not a saint) about what Jesus would do (make other people pay and punsih people?) and you swallow that as a Christian view?
Oh good grief.
Not all left-wing ideologues are bigots. Many simply defer to a superior or exceptional dignity -- a kind of mortal god -- who will fulfill their dreams of instant gratification. Unfortunately, that behavior is not limited to outward expression, there are also individuals who revel in that narcissistic behavior. This, presumably, occurs when the recognition of individual dignity is singular and unrequited. We normally refer to this exhibition as corruption and it is not exclusive to left-wing ideologues. It is, however, limited to the exception among American conservatives by virtue of adhering to a philosophy derived from the principle of individual dignity and its mutual respect.
That said, eventually, everyone is a bigot. Submission is not a virtue. Let's hope we are capable of identify an optimal compromise between individuals who do not all share the same dream.
@ Robert Cook There are few Christians who lead a Christian life.
You know. I think I'm feeling the wall coming up in front of me which I am going to hit.
OK. Hitting the wall.
Christians are kind of like many Americans these days. All apologetic for not living the Christian life the way they should blah bla h blah. And of course there are plenty of people out there lobbing shells in their direction regularly.
Do the people (like Cook) that make these stupid ill informed pronouncements know what they are talking about?
No.
Do Christians screw up? Yup.
But I am tired of the snotty put downs. You know why you know they screw up? Because you hear about it because it sticks out.
Most of the "sincere" Christians out there are just doing life the way they are supposed to and nobody notices it.
The majority of the disaster responders in the US are church groups. Almost all are unpaid volunteers.
I have one of those churches about 3 miles from me. Those fundamental white Southern King James Bible believing freaks (and they probably own guns, too) that "you" people (looking at Robert Cook) mock. This no name church in a small mountain county has the most amazing disaster relief group. They can put 53' tractor trailers full of food and water and relief supplies on the road with a phone call. And the pastor might be driving. They run a food warehouse that provides the community discounted and free food. They provide 200 weekend meal backpacks for kids in our county. They *give* away clothes, furniture and appliances. And they are not a mega church. They are a small church caring for needy and disadvantaged -- the "poor" in a rather large way.
And you don't know about them, or the church 20 miles the other way that runs a similar disaster relief work. And there are hundreds, if not thousands of churches and Christians who volunteer their time across this country in rescue and relief work.
They put hands where their hearts are because that's what Jesus did for them.
And you don't have a clue.
Which is perhaps understandable, because if the people made a bigger deal about it they would get trashed for not doing it in secret "like Christians are supposed to."
You need to get a more diverse exposure to the real world, Robert.
"Who are all these left-wingers bigoted against? And before you say Christians, consider how many left-wingers are Christians."
No, no, no.
Not bigoted *against*. Bigoted *for*.
The left is bigoted *for* those downtrodden poor folk who can't make it without them, for everyone who isn't as naturally smart as they are, who don't have the right ideas or thoughts and need to be shown how to think... all those folks that they casually insult.
For what it's worth, I think that I'm inclined to count "governor mormon" as bigotry in an effort to go by the rules where people are accused of bigotry on account of things they never even said.
This is an age of code words and crypto racism after all.
Yes, yes, it's dumbing down the word to near meaninglessness, but that's the game being played.
Perhaps it's not *hate* to include that poke "mormon" but it is despite, and generally brought up because of negative connotations and not because it's a positive descriptor or neutral.
It's like how certain people (of a political persuasion that shall remain unnamed) would point out, oh so casually, that Cheney's daughter is gay. The purpose is to bring up something people will think is bad... and I tend to think it's just as bad or even worse to encourage bigotry and plan to profit from bigotry in other people, as it is to be a bigot yourself.
A bigot, after all, can understand that they're not being fair and then try to be fair.
Someone who purposefully tries to stir up hate or prejudice in other people for their own gain, is worse, no matter what their personal opinion might be. It's an honorless way to behave and I can't see a way to make it anything but.
We were warned about Romney's mormonism last time around, warned about Cheney's daughter before that, way back when I lived in California the teacher's unions warned the Christians that homeschooling might mean scary Wiccans teaching their children at home.
What is worse? Being personally uncomfortable about a group of people, or claiming you're one of the good guys, and then presenting the group as a threat people should be afraid of in order to get your political win?
I also remember Kane from the series Taxi, where she was Latka Gravas' girlfriend, Simka.
edutcher:
"Gloria Swanson certainly agrees."
As does Ingrid Bergman, Audrey Hepburn, Hedy Lamarr (among others), and a few French actresses (Catherine Deneuve, Geneviève Bujold, ...).
Speaking of beautiful women: Bérénice Bejo, in "The Artist", is one of those. While she certainly qualifies in the "good looks" category, you really can't tell if a woman is beautiful (or a man handsome) until you see them move, speak, laugh, cry.
Carol Herman: [on Woody Allen]: He was funny a long time ago. I heard many of his comedy routines - even then he became rich and famous by being neurotic. The last movie of his that I watched was "Sleeper".
But now he's become a "literary philosopher", making oh-so-clever and artsy movies. Personally, he's despicable.
JAL: [on Christians living a Christian life]:
Good points. How, for example, does Robert Cook know that? There are millions of Christians, many of whom do indeed live a Christian life. I remember who it was that went to Louisiana after Katrina. Our small Presbyterian church has missions in Kenya, and people who go to Baja California regularly.
But the media don't want to tell "good news" stories. They'd rather focus on the pastor who ran off with the church funds and the bishop's wife.
One of the ideals of a Christian life is to serve without making sure that everybody in the world knows about it.
Hey, Jay, this is a quote from the last article you linked to:
"The charge that Occupy Wall Street is shot through with anti-Semitism is dishonest and deceptive. But it’s built around a kernel of truth. There are a few Jew-baiters at Zuccotti Park in lower Manhattan, though they are marginal, particularly compared to the large numbers of Jewish activists taking part. Yet the leaderless, diffuse nature of the movement, in some ways its greatest strength, also makes it hard to police bigots, bullies, and cranks."
This about says it all.
I would argue with the statement that the slander that OWS is shot through with anti-semitism is "built around a kernel of truth", but the remarks that follow serve effectively to negate that statement by providing a level-headed assessment of the reality. Nothing else you provided demonstrates otherwise.
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I saw Carol Kane as Madame Morrible in Wicked! at the Pantages about two years ago. She's no spring chicken anymore (who is?) but she was charming and funny and talented still. Her performance was a delight.
Carol Kane as Madame Morrible:
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Carol Kane as Carol Kane:
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carol kane has several movies 'in production' and has done tv the last few years. hasn't anybody here heard of IMDB.com??
Carol Kane has always been able to stop my remote. Something Angelina Jolie cannot do.
Deb said...
deborah, Pitt was in "A River Runs Through It", directed I believe by Redford. I swear, it was like watching Redford as a young man. At least to me.
It was like watching McClean, the author of the story, as a young man. He was the old man tying on a fly at the end of the movie. My brother, preferred fishing western streams, especially in Montana, ran into him a couple of times on the water.
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