Althouse: Scott Walker's State of the State speech...

January 26, 2012

171 comments:

traditionalguy said...: Hohumm. That's what rebellion looks like. So what's new.; 1/26/12, 10:27 AM
Jana said...: Looked pretty pathetic to me. Do the protestors think that the shouting, banging, chanting, and such are helping their cause at this point?; 1/26/12, 10:30 AM
chickelit said...: Hey, was that the notorious half-beard shouting through his hands in the gallery?; 1/26/12, 10:34 AM
Anonymous said...: This doesn't qualify for anger in Kathleen Falk's book.; 1/26/12, 10:34 AM
Wince said...: Democratic Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller said the disruptions inside the chamber were not surprising. "It illustrates the sharp divide the governor's policies have created in the state," he said.

As if the tantrums weren't individual acts of human volition.

Hell, I wanna go to Mantown.; 1/26/12, 10:37 AM
coolkevs said...: Boy, these folks are really winning my heart and mind and making me want to vote against Walker in a recall - not! The louder the other side gets, the more I realize that I'm on the correct side of this issue....; 1/26/12, 10:43 AM
shiloh said...: Three more years!
Three more years!
Three more years!; 1/26/12, 10:43 AM
Damon said...: First, no offense meant to our kind Host, but I am so glad I don't live in Wisconsin.; 1/26/12, 10:45 AM
Curious George said...: "Jana said...
Looked pretty pathetic to me. Do the protestors think that the shouting, banging, chanting, and such are helping their cause at this point?"

Yes, of course they do. This group of idiots live in the Madison liberal echo chamber. If they hear any alternative point of view they respond with disbelief. Genuine disbelief. And when faced with the reality of this alternative point of view they respond with anger.; 1/26/12, 10:48 AM
machine said...: So its OK for a representative to shout "You Lie" at the President during the SOTU, but its not OK here...

got it...IOKIYAR...natch; 1/26/12, 10:50 AM
Wince said...: "And check out the eye candy…

To top it off, meet model and actress Simona Fusco, from the movie Beerfest, in the Control Freak Home Theater Lounge."

Mantown! I love it!; 1/26/12, 10:50 AM
Fen said...: "Free speech for me but not for thee!"

Remind me to bring vuvuzelas to Obama's next speech.; 1/26/12, 10:52 AM
Fen said...: machine: So its OK for a representative to shout "You Lie" at the President during the SOTU, but its not OK here

Equivalence Fairy Alert.

Shouting "you lie" != shouting someone down so they can't be heard.; 1/26/12, 10:54 AM
garage mahal said...: Two ex-Walker aides accused of illegally doing campaign work

Walker cancels event in Wausau, citing "weather conditions". It's 22 degrees and clear.

Ruh roh!; 1/26/12, 10:54 AM
Scott M said...: Is there a more Sisyphean job than being a public executive in WI?; 1/26/12, 10:55 AM
DaveW said...: I read somewhere that Walker has $12m banked for the recall (so far). That's a lot of scratch in a small media market like Wisconsin it seems to me.; 1/26/12, 10:56 AM
edutcher said...: Once again, the union slugs show what class the Lefties have.

machine said...

So its OK for a representative to shout "You Lie" at the President during the SOTU, but its not OK here...

Somebody tell the automaton there were Conservatives thought Wilson went over the line.

The rest of us just thought he was Speaking Truth To Power.

In any case, Wilson wasn't trying to shout him down. If the union slugs had been in the hall where
Walker was speaking, they would have been, as they had tried so omany times before.; 1/26/12, 10:58 AM
chickelit said...: Pay no attention to the man inside the moon suit!; 1/26/12, 10:59 AM
shiloh said...: Let's cut Walker some slack ie from 2001 to 2009 most every time Bush appeared anywhere, the FBI would weed out all the "undesirables" before he gave a speech.

Couldn't allow any dissent as it wouldn't be prudent. Free speech be damned!

The whole world is watching!
The whole world is watching!
The whole world is watching!

ok, mostly just the conservatives in Althouse's world.; 1/26/12, 11:00 AM
Bob Ellison said...: They shall overdumb.; 1/26/12, 11:02 AM
Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...: Is Walker paying these whack jobs? I know the left loves this kind of thing but when it comes to independents, Walker couldn't ask for better publicity.; 1/26/12, 11:03 AM
carrie said...: The protestors are the ones who believe that free speech be damned otherwise they wouldn't make noise so that Walker can't be heard.; 1/26/12, 11:04 AM
Matt Sablan said...: "Shouting "you lie" != shouting someone down so they can't be heard."

True. One's worse.

PS,

It is the second one.; 1/26/12, 11:04 AM
Chuck66 said...: Wow, I supported Govenor Walker, but after seeing the protestors throw a fit in the capital, I will change my position to support them.; 1/26/12, 11:05 AM
shiloh said...: "Is Walker paying these whack jobs?"

Since job creation is a big problem for Walker, not a bad idea lol.

Hey, he just needs the koch boys to float him a loan and everybody's happy! :D; 1/26/12, 11:06 AM
Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...: Ruh roh!

LOL. Did they find someone on Walker's staff (or someone that knew someone on Walker's staff) that had an unpaid parking ticket! That could be devastating!!!; 1/26/12, 11:06 AM
Chuck66 said...: YCG says: "Yes, of course they do. This group of idiots live in the Madison liberal echo chamber. If they hear any alternative point of view they respond with disbelief. Genuine disbelief. And when faced with the reality of this alternative point of view they respond with anger."

What I said a couple of says ago and several other times.....this is the result of a lack of diversity in Madison. When you surround yourself with only people who think exactly like you, and never have exposure to those who are different from you, you become intolerant and bigoted.

You become shocked that not everyone in the world thinks just like you.; 1/26/12, 11:09 AM
X said...: Ruh roh!

yes. government employees shouldn't engage in political activity on taxpayers time. we need more prosecutions like this.; 1/26/12, 11:10 AM
Tank said...: Gotta admit, if Congressrats shouted you lie at every Zero lie, it would be pretty disruptive.; 1/26/12, 11:11 AM
Curious George said...: "garage mahal said...
Two ex-Walker aides accused of illegally doing campaign work"

LOL. One is old news. 18 months old. The other person was not working for Walker when the alleged crime took place. So yawn.

Keep clutching at straws garage. It will keep you from spinning off into outer space.

Oh, by the way dumbass, there is freezing fog currently in Wausau.

Again, are you an idiot or a liar?; 1/26/12, 11:13 AM
Chuck66 said...: "I read somewhere that Walker has $12m banked for the recall (so far). That's a lot of scratch in a small media market like Wisconsin it seems to me."

In efforts to recall Republican Sheila Harsdorf last year, the unionists spend incredible amounts of money buying very expensive air time on all Twin Cities TV stations. For a while, they were running 3 commercials an hour during the news.; 1/26/12, 11:16 AM
Chuck66 said...: "Hey, he just needs the koch boys to float him a loan and everybody's happy! :D"

Damn greedy Jew businessmen.; 1/26/12, 11:18 AM
Fen said...: That's a lot of scratch in a small media market like Wisconsin it seems to me.

Wisconsin has become ground zero for union busting. If the unions lose here, it will sweep the nation, bringing an end to a racket that Micheal Corelone would envy.; 1/26/12, 11:19 AM
Fen said...: Audacity: Bringing up the Koch brothers while spinning on Soro's dime.; 1/26/12, 11:21 AM
Hoosier Daddy said...: Must be horrible to live under the Walker tyranny. I don't know how you people manage to get through te day.; 1/26/12, 11:24 AM
Brian Brown said...: shiloh said...
Let's cut Walker some slack ie from 2001 to 2009 most every time Bush appeared anywhere,

Nice attempt at deflection, silly troll.

PS, Bush did no such thing.; 1/26/12, 11:24 AM
Chuck66 said...: Shiloh, any thoughts on Barry Obama killing the pipeline from Canada for the sole purpose of enriching his buddy Warren Buffet? Now most of the oil from Canada and North Dakota has to use the BNSF Railway, which Buffett owns 100% of.; 1/26/12, 11:26 AM
edutcher said...: shiloh said...

Let's cut Walker some slack ie from 2001 to 2009 most every time Bush appeared anywhere, the FBI would weed out all the "undesirables" before he gave a speech.

But Willie did and GodZero does.

Interesting who gets nervous about dissent.; 1/26/12, 11:27 AM
Brian Brown said...: garage mahal said...
Two ex-Walker aides accused of illegally doing campaign work

So "ex-aides" are a reflection of Walker?

Really?

Good luck with that in an era when an Ex-Kerry aide charged with outing Gitmo CIA operatives
and an ex-Obama staffer with ID theft of an elected Republican.

Idiot.; 1/26/12, 11:28 AM
RonF said...: Another group of people who think that "freedom of speech" means freedom for them but not for anyone else, that they are free to keep other people from being heard, and that the government is obliged to provide them with the means and facility to speak.; 1/26/12, 11:29 AM
I'm Full of Soup said...: I hope to God they had someone signing the protesters' chants for the benefit of any hearing impaired people in the audience.; 1/26/12, 11:29 AM
shiloh said...: Jay accuses me of deflecting and right on cue Chuck66 deflects to Obama ... and my little buddy edutcher deflects to Clinton.

Perfect! :)

>

Back on topic Althouse conservative lemmings ie whining about liberal dissent in WI.; 1/26/12, 11:30 AM
Brian Brown said...: shiloh said...
Jay accuses me of deflecting

You did deflect, clown.; 1/26/12, 11:31 AM
shiloh said...: ok Jay, I'll never cut Walker some slack again. :-P

Promise!; 1/26/12, 11:34 AM
Hoosier Daddy said...: "... Shiloh, any thoughts on Barry Obama killing the pipeline from Canada for the sole purpose of enriching his buddy Warren Buffet?.."

Speaking of Buffett, did any see where she claimed she pays a tax rate of 35.8%?

Take a look at the IRS tax schedules and you'll see that at 35.8% Ms Bosneak would have to be pulling down $388,350 in taxable income if she is married and filing jointly.

So she's either lying or she's in the top 1% of income earners in the country.

Wonder why the media isn't checking into this. Oh wait....; 1/26/12, 11:35 AM
X said...: Ruh roh!

Oh wait. Didn't a bunch of teachers engage in political activity on the taxpayer's dime?; 1/26/12, 11:36 AM
shiloh said...: Althouse, your conservative lemmings are drifting off/topic.

Where's Meade when you need him? :D; 1/26/12, 11:37 AM
purplepenquin said...: That was rude. Walker's policies are vile enough - there is no need for people to act in such a boorish manner.; 1/26/12, 11:41 AM
SomeoneHasToSayIt said...: In the free marketplace of ideas, when your own cannot draw a sufficient crowd, you resort to bullying into, and disrupting someone else's.

Desperate and shameful. But, so very 'dog bites man' for these bitter clowns, these bad citizens.; 1/26/12, 11:42 AM
garage mahal said...: So "ex-aides" are a reflection of Walker?

Uh, why wouldn't they be? He was their boss when these alleged crimes took place.; 1/26/12, 11:42 AM
Brian Brown said...: aking of Buffett, did any see where she claimed she pays a tax rate of 35.8%?

Yes, and all is well because Warren assured us she makes $60,000!

Which of course makes him cheap, but hey, it's politically convenient.

Luckily in the advent of the Internet age the left can't get away with such shameless dishonesty anymore.

Despite a heavy tax burden, Warren Buffett’s secretary last year was able to purchase a second home in Arizona, a residence complete with a swimming pool and a “professional PGA putting green,” according to real estate records.

Debra Bosanek, 55, and her husband Gerald bought the 2100-square-foot home in Surprise, a city outside Phoenix. The Bosaneks paid $144,000 for the four-bedroom, two-and-a-half bath property (the purchase was financed, in part, by a $115,200 mortgage).

Oh well, another silly liberal lie exposed.; 1/26/12, 11:42 AM
I'm Full of Soup said...: Hoosier- they must be including both employee and employer FICA and Medicare taxes. So their 35.8% claim is disingenuous,of course, and that is to be expected from libruls.; 1/26/12, 11:43 AM
garage mahal said...: Q. Why is there controversy surrounding Scott Walker?

A. Obama-Clinton-Kerry-Buffett!; 1/26/12, 11:44 AM
traditionalguy said...: Joseph Goebbels explained that government propaganda that uses a Big Lie repeated often enough becomes the truth for the nation for as long as the believers suffer no feedback by losing anything from believing the lie.

He also said that since any truth spoken is the enemy of the Big Lie, that spoken truth is the enemy of the government.

Ergo, the Madison establishment must drown out Walker's truth talking at all costs.; 1/26/12, 11:46 AM
Hoosier Daddy said...: Garage did you know the cow is Gods greatest creation? You can eat it, drink it and wear it.

Everyone should own a cow.; 1/26/12, 11:47 AM
RonF said...: "This group of idiots live in the Madison liberal echo chamber. If they hear any alternative point of view they respond with disbelief. Genuine disbelief. And when faced with the reality of this alternative point of view they respond with anger."

There are a number of them that think that blocking the expression of ideas and concepts that they think are wrong is not just right, it is obligatory. Free speech for me but not for thee. Being right overrides rights. After all, the Constitution is a 200+ year old document and just shouldn't apply any more in the modern day. Seriously. These people think this.; 1/26/12, 11:47 AM
Sofa King said...: Althouse, your conservative lemmings are drifting off/topic.

You are a very silly man.; 1/26/12, 11:47 AM
shiloh said...: So let's recap, shall we:

Walker is a cow!; 1/26/12, 11:49 AM
Brian Brown said...: AJ Lynch said...
Hoosier- they must be including both employee and employer FICA and Medicare taxes

That's exactly what they're doing and they're being enabled by people calling it her 'effective' rate in that she pays the employer portion of SS.

Which is absurd.

Obamas themselves in 2009 earned $ million, and paid an average rate of just 31%

PS: 36 Obama aides owe $833,000 in back taxes.

No bailouts, no handouts!; 1/26/12, 11:50 AM
Petunia said...: Nice try, Garage. This morning in Wausau it was LIFR (low instrument flight rules) conditions, with freezing fog, a ceiling of 200 feet, visibility of 0.13 mile, and reported icing. Not a great day for an elective flight.

Far cry from "clear".; 1/26/12, 11:50 AM
shiloh said...: ok, should have said Walker should own a cow!; 1/26/12, 11:51 AM
Brian Brown said...: garage mahal said...
Q. Why is there controversy surrounding Scott Walker?

Why are you asserting there is controvery surrounding Scott Walker?

The only "controversy" is that you and your ignorant friends don't like his policies.; 1/26/12, 11:53 AM
Curious George said...: "garage mahal said...
So "ex-aides" are a reflection of Walker?

Uh, why wouldn't they be? He was their boss when these alleged crimes took place."

No, only in the one case, which is old news. May 2010.

In the other the person was not working for Walker.

Are you a liar, or an idiot, or both.; 1/26/12, 11:53 AM
Brian Brown said...: Walker cancels event in Wausau, citing "weather conditions". It's 22 degrees and clear.

You simply can't make a post without lying.; 1/26/12, 11:54 AM
Brian Brown said...: garage mahal said...

Uh, why wouldn't they be? He was their boss when these alleged crimes took place.

And you lied again, silly troll.

Pathetic.; 1/26/12, 11:54 AM
Amartel said...: Overindulged.
Overempowered.
Overgrown.

This is what happens when you believe that children are our future. Literally.; 1/26/12, 11:55 AM
Chuck66 said...: I think as a job perk, Buffett needs to loan his tax accountant to his sec'y so she can hid some income.; 1/26/12, 11:55 AM
Sofa King said...: This is craven repression and a shocking violation of free speech rights.; 1/26/12, 11:56 AM
Shite said...: Ha, looking at all them unemployed libs in the video, I'd say that Walker should get some real police.

It would be vastly entertaining to see all those useful idiots trying to make a nuisance of themselves like that at the Chicago city hall.

Rahm Emanuel would never allow these pathetic losers to schlep around city hall, making a lot of noise. Rahmmy would send them on their way, broken and bleeding, like Richard Daley did.

Sometimes, to do some real vicious stuff, ya just need a democrat.; 1/26/12, 11:57 AM
Hoosier Daddy said...: "... Hoosier- they must be including both employee and employer FICA and Medicare taxes. So their 35.8% claim is disingenuous,of course, and that is to be expected from libruls..."

Employer FICA and Medicare don't count but let's assume they included her share.

At $60k married filing joint she's at 15%

FICA is 4.2%

Medicare is 1.45%

Still not close to 35.8%.; 1/26/12, 11:59 AM
Chef Mojo said...: Here's some numbers that are sure to buck up Garage and Shiloh!; 1/26/12, 12:01 PM
Amartel said...: CG,
BOTH.; 1/26/12, 12:01 PM
Chef Mojo said...: Remember, when Gray Davis was recalled, his approval was at 20%.; 1/26/12, 12:02 PM
Brian Brown said...: Why isn't garage carrying on about the ONE MILLION signatures! anymore?; 1/26/12, 12:02 PM
Jason said...: If I were a liberal, I would be pissed too to see every potential Dem candidate be behind Walker in the same poll that shows Obama with an 8 point lead on Romney....all while claiming 1 in 5 residents in this state signed a recall petition.; 1/26/12, 12:04 PM
Anonymous said...: So let's recap, shall we:

Walker is a cow!

Dang it Shiloh, you've just revealed Garage's secret identity!; 1/26/12, 12:04 PM
shiloh said...: Chef Mojo

Althouse had a whole thread yesterday re: your poll link.

Please try to keep up w/current events at Althouse.

btw, baiting is not allowed here. :-P; 1/26/12, 12:04 PM
Original Mike said...: "Is Walker paying these whack jobs?"

Amazingly, he doesn't have to.; 1/26/12, 12:05 PM
Chef Mojo said...: I'm quite aware of that, Shiloh. I'm just a believer in prolonging the pain.; 1/26/12, 12:08 PM
shiloh said...: Indeed Chef Mojo as Obama is still president and most likely will be easily re-elected as conservatives er mittens/Newt, continue to implode.

And yes, liberals feel your pain. :); 1/26/12, 12:10 PM
garage mahal said...: And you lied again, silly troll.

About........?; 1/26/12, 12:12 PM
Hoosier Daddy said...: "... You simply can't make a post without lying..."

It's not a lie if you believe it.

Why do you think liberals constantly spout stuff that is demonstrably false yet do so without a shred of embarrassment?

I'm sure Hillary really thought she was taking sniper fire, Algore was sung to sleep with the union label song, Bill didn't have sex with that woman, Mrs. Bosneak pays 35.8% in taxes, Obama never heard AmeriKKKA sermons, and on and on.; 1/26/12, 12:13 PM
Seeing Red said...: But Willie did and GodZero does.

Clinton Chicago visit You Suck!; 1/26/12, 12:13 PM
edutcher said...: shiloh said...

Jay accuses me of deflecting and right on cue Chuck66 deflects to Obama ... and my little buddy edutcher deflects to Clinton.

The bathtub swabbie throws out a lie about Dubya.

Jay pointed out the truth, I just added who really did it.; 1/26/12, 12:14 PM
Seeing Red said...: Why do you think liberals constantly spout stuff that is demonstrably false yet do so without a shred of embarrassment?

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.; 1/26/12, 12:15 PM
shiloh said...: Althouse lemmings please, I beseech you once again, this thread is about Walker!; 1/26/12, 12:17 PM
Seeing Red said...: Warren Buffet’s secretary, Debbie Bosanek, served as a stage prop for President Obama’s State of the Union speech. She was the President’s chief display of the alleged unfairness of our tax system – a little person paying a higher tax rate than her billionaire boss.

Bosanek’s prominent role in Obama’s “fairness” campaign piqued my curiosity, and I imagine the curiosity of others. How much does her boss pay this downtrodden woman? So far, no one has volunteered this information.

We can get an approximate answer by consulting IRS data on tax rates by adjusted gross income, which would approximate her salary, assuming she does not have significant dividend, interest or capital-gains income (like her boss). ... The IRS publishes detailed tax tables by income level. The latest results are for 2009. ... Taxpayers earning adjusted gross incomes of $200,000 to $500,000, pay an average tax rate of nineteen percent. Therefore Buffet must pay Debbie Bosanke a salary above two hundred thousand; 1/26/12, 12:17 PM
Brian Brown said...: Reminder,

Scott Walker (R-inc) 50%
Tom Barrett (D) 44%
Scott Walker (R-inc) 49%
Kathleen Falk (D) 42%

Scott Walker (R-inc) 49%
David Obey (D) 43%

Scott Walker (R-inc) 50%
Tom Cullen (D) 40%; 1/26/12, 12:18 PM
Brian Brown said...: garage mahal said...
And you lied again, silly troll.

About........?

About both ex-aides working for Walker "when thier crimes were committed"

It isn't true. You lied.

It is also comical to watch you pretend this will work.

ONE MILLION SIGNATURES!!!!; 1/26/12, 12:20 PM
Chuck66 said...: Scott Walker (R-inc) 49%
David Obey (D) 43%

Can you imagine a debate between clean cut professional Governor Walker, and the angry fat slob Dave Obey?

Walker would be talking about how he wants to set up Wisconsin to succeed for several years. Angry Obey would by Mr negative, ranting about unions.; 1/26/12, 12:21 PM
Seeing Red said...: I wouldn't worry too much about the capital gains tax, from the chart I just saw, between Obamacare's requirements and if the Obama tax cuts aren't renewed, the tax will be about 25% on CG.

It's due to go up 3% next year under Obamacare.; 1/26/12, 12:23 PM
Seeing Red said...: What's the going rate for loan sharking again?; 1/26/12, 12:23 PM
purplepenquin said...: Jay does have a point...kinda.

You need to call 'em "alleged crimes" until the suspects are actually convicted.; 1/26/12, 12:24 PM
Brian Brown said...: purplepenquin said...
Jay does have a point...kinda.

You need to call 'em "alleged crimes" until the suspects are actually convicted.

Er, my point is one of them wasn't working for Walker while the alleged crimes were committed.

You and garagie need to grasp that.; 1/26/12, 12:25 PM
Jason said...: Er, my point is one of them wasn't working for Walker while the alleged crimes were committed.

You and garagie need to grasp that.

How dare you actually inject facts into this discussion.; 1/26/12, 12:28 PM
Brian Brown said...: Why do you think liberals constantly spout stuff that is demonstrably false yet do so without a shred of embarrassment?

Because they come from the coddled world of "the personal is political"

Noting can be "untrue" when you're discussing feelings.; 1/26/12, 12:30 PM
Seeing Red said...: Walker's just been handed more ammo by the Tax Foundation.

WI is #43 and IL is #28???! How did that happen?

The Tax Foundation yesterday released the 2012 State Business Tax Climate Index (9th ed.) which ranks the fifty states according to five indices: corporate tax, individual income tax, sales tax, unemployment insurance tax, and property tax. Here are the ten states with the best and worst business tax climates:

via TaxProf.; 1/26/12, 12:31 PM
purplepenquin said...: my point is one of them wasn't working for Walker while the alleged crimes were committed.

This is a perfect example of the difference between rational discussions and hate-filled attacks.

It would have been far more productive for you to point out exactly what you are claiming is untrue, rather than simply saying something akin to Liar liar pants on fire.

Of course, that assumes that you wish to have a convo in good faith...I may be assuming too much about ya.; 1/26/12, 12:31 PM
Curious George said...: "Jay said...
Er, my point is one of them wasn't working for Walker while the alleged crimes were committed.

You and garagie need to grasp that."

And I posted the same. Two people were involved, the first was known since Maty 2010. Pretty minor offense of posting a few comments on a online article.

The second person did not work for Walker at the time the alleged crimes were committed, and they were not know at the time she was hired. So again, yawn.

This is all about the Milwaukee JS having a headline "Walker Aides do bad stuff"...like garage, pathetic.; 1/26/12, 12:32 PM
I'm Full of Soup said...: Hoosier:
Fica and medicare is 7.65% x 2 = 15.3% when you include the employee share and the employer share.; 1/26/12, 12:34 PM
Brian Brown said...: purplepenquin said...
It would have been far more productive for you to point out exactly what you are claiming is untrue, rather than simply saying something akin to Liar liar pants on fire.

Of course, that assumes that you wish to have a convo in good faith...I may be assuming too much about ya.

Actually, it would be a waste of time.

garage has no credibility. Zero. None as this is instance #14,817 where he's been caught lying on this blog.

Additionally, I don't operate under the illusion you're out for some "good faith dialogue" given the dishonest hackery you've displayed here.; 1/26/12, 12:35 PM
Original Mike said...: "WI is #43 and IL is #28???! How did that happen?"

I don't know what the property taxes are in IL, but in Wisconsin they're brutal.; 1/26/12, 12:35 PM
Original Mike said...: "Actually, it would be a waste of time."

There aren't enough hours in the day to refute garage's misrepresentations. It's why he does it.; 1/26/12, 12:38 PM
Chuck66 said...: The sales tax is better in Wisconsin than many states. Think about Illinois where it can be as high as 10%. Or Minnesota where it is usually around 7.2%.

But yeah, the property tax kills you.; 1/26/12, 12:39 PM
Brian Brown said...: Liberal economics at work:

Almost a year after Illinois’ record income tax increase, the state’s unemployment woes contrast starkly with the slow but positive national economic recovery. Unemployment rates in 46 states dropped since January 2011, and some dramatically. Illinois’ unemployment rate, on the other hand, was 9.8 percent in December, up from 9 percent in January 2011. Simply put, Illinois placed more people on the unemployment rolls than any other state in the country.; 1/26/12, 12:44 PM
Original Mike said...: What the income tax rate in Illinois? Wisconsin is about 7.5%.; 1/26/12, 12:44 PM
purplepenquin said...: the dishonest hackery you've displayed here.

*sigh*

Yet another baseless accusation with nothing at all to back it up.

Pretty obvious you have no intentions of having a convo in good faith...it appears you're only here to spread the hate.; 1/26/12, 12:45 PM
Original Mike said...: So, Illinois has a lot more workers available to be hired. That's a plus right there!; 1/26/12, 12:45 PM
garage mahal said...: garage has no credibility. Zero. None as this is instance #14,817 where he's been caught lying on this blog.

Before: Er, my point is one of them wasn't working for Walker while the alleged crimes were committed.

Umm umm um um:

Illinois! Buffett! Kerry!

This is too easy. I don't feel sorry for Walker or his aides, but I do feel sorry for his supporters.; 1/26/12, 12:54 PM
Brian Brown said...: purplepenquin said...

Yet another baseless accusation with nothing at all to back it up.

You mean other than your idiotic post yesterday blaming the WI-GOP for the Recall HQ being vandalized?

And that is just 1 example.; 1/26/12, 12:57 PM
Brian Brown said...: garage mahal said...

Before: Er, my point is one of them wasn't working for Walker while the alleged crimes were committed.

Umm umm um um:

Um, huh?

So you've been caught lying and your response is drivel.

I'm shocked by this development.

I really am.; 1/26/12, 12:59 PM
Brian Brown said...: purplepenquin said...

Pretty obvious you have no intentions of having a convo in good faith...it appears you're only here to spread the hate.

Hysterical.

I love how you think anyone would take those words seriously from such a silly hack as you.; 1/26/12, 1:00 PM
garage mahal said...: So you've been caught lying and your response is drivel.

Now I'm starting to feel sorry for you. Not sure that was ever possible.; 1/26/12, 1:08 PM
Brian Brown said...: garage mahal said...
Now I'm starting to feel sorry for you

That's funny.

But you're the one posting lies here, not me.; 1/26/12, 1:08 PM
Brian Brown said...: Walker cancels event in Wausau, citing "weather conditions". It's 22 degrees and clear.

Total lie.

arage mahal said...

Uh, why wouldn't they be? He was their boss when these alleged crimes took place

Total lie.

This is too easy

I know, see above.; 1/26/12, 1:10 PM
Rusty said...: shiloh said...
Althouse lemmings please, I beseech you once again, this thread is about Walker!

1/26/12 12:17 PM

Talk to your buddy Garage.; 1/26/12, 1:11 PM
garage mahal said...: But you're the one posting lies here, not me.

Prove it to me, and I'll be happy to correct the record. Show me, with a link.; 1/26/12, 1:14 PM
Rusty said...: Damon said...
First, no offense meant to our kind Host, but I am so glad I don't live in Wisconsin.

1/26/12 10:45 AM

It's actually a very nice place, except for Madison which is like a foreign country filled with greedy French who disdain anyone who lives outside the city limits. It's kinda bizarre that way. HAsn't changed since thew 60s.; 1/26/12, 1:18 PM
purplepenquin said...: You mean other than your idiotic post yesterday blaming the WI-GOP for the Recall HQ being vandalized?

You must have me confused with someone else. I have never said that I blame the WI-GOP for vandalizing the Recall HQ.; 1/26/12, 1:19 PM
shiloh said...: Rusty, don't personally know garage, but I'm sure we'd be quick friends as he never gets totally angry er discombobulated like many of Althouse's conservative flock.; 1/26/12, 1:22 PM
Levi Starks said...: Fortunately Scott can rest easy since everyone on the Left had their guns melted down to make plowshares years ago. so once you've escalated to shouting and name calling that's pretty much all you've got.; 1/26/12, 1:29 PM
Brian Brown said...: purplepenquin said...

That said, no matter what way the election unfolds, I'm afraid that the violence will still continue (latest update: Police reports state that a Recall HQ in Columbus has been repeatedly vandalized) This whole We refuse to negotiate or even listen to you, so you WILL do what you're told! attitude that the WI-GOP has brought forth in the last year has deeply poisoned our state, and it will take a long time to recover...

1/25/12 12:31 PM

Don't worry, you're a silly hack and will give a silly hack answer.; 1/26/12, 1:29 PM
Brian Brown said...: purplepenquin said...

You must have me confused with someone else. I have never said that I blame the WI-GOP for vandalizing the Recall HQ.

Oh no. While bringing up the alleged vandalism you conveniently mention the WI-GOP "poisoning the state"

I'm sure it was all in good faith.

Right?; 1/26/12, 1:31 PM
test said...: "purplepenquin said...
the dishonest hackery you've displayed here.

*sigh*

Yet another baseless accusation with nothing at all to back it up.

Pretty obvious you have no intentions of having a convo in good faith...it appears you're only here to spread the hate."

Pretty rich from someone whose goal is to defend the trolls.; 1/26/12, 1:32 PM
garage mahal said...: Jay?; 1/26/12, 1:42 PM
Hoosier Daddy said...: ".. Hoosier: Fica and medicare is 7.65% x 2 = 15.3% when you include the employee share and the employer share..."

Yes but including the employer share as part of the employee's tax rate is disengenuous because it assumes the employee would be paid that amount if it wasn't being paid to the government.; 1/26/12, 1:46 PM
Hoosier Daddy said...: Garage, if Walker wins again in the recall are you going to move to Quebec and seek asylum?; 1/26/12, 1:53 PM
Curious George said...: "purplepenquin said...
You mean other than your idiotic post yesterday blaming the WI-GOP for the Recall HQ being vandalized?

You must have me confused with someone else. I have never said that I blame the WI-GOP for vandalizing the Recall HQ."

More penguin bullshit. You clearly indicated a causation between the two.

Let me add that you have also accused me of being a protester that was arrested hassling the recallers, making your accusation on a typo that even your lefty friends would sign on too.

You also have accused me of "staking you" and asking for your work phone, pay stubs, and boss' name. Of course I have never have done anything like that, but despite asking multiple times for a retraction, nothing.

Of course we see contant posts here about the "violnece" which have included some guy ripping up a blank petition form. This inanity is not surprising from an asshat that wants to recall a governor over theoretical lack of scheduled lunch breaks because they are "life and death".; 1/26/12, 1:53 PM
garage mahal said...: Jay must be out mowing the lawn.; 1/26/12, 2:03 PM
purplepenquin said...: While I wasn't blaming the WI-GOP (that is, the organized political arm of the Wisconsin State Republicans) in that post, I can see how some folks may read it as such.

Please note for the record: I do not believe that the WI-GOP (that is, the organized political arm of the Wisconsin State Republicans) are directly to blame for the three reported acts of vandalism at the Recall Walker HQ in Columbus.

I also do not believe that the WI-GOP (that is, the organized political arm of the Wisconsin State Republicans) are directly to blame for the men who spit on people gather signatures, the countless number of birds being flipped off, the stalkers calling recallers at home, the attempts to start fake petitions, the rocks through the windows, nor the many incidents of petitions being destroyed/vandalized.

Thank you for allowing me to clarify a false perception of my opinion. And yes, that is sincere - not silly.; 1/26/12, 2:05 PM
garage mahal said...: Maybe Jay took a little siesta.; 1/26/12, 2:50 PM
Petunia said...: Apparently the woman shrieking "liar!" at the Governor is a Madison public elementary school teacher or librarian.; 1/26/12, 2:51 PM
Petunia said...: Well, you lied about the weather in Wausau this morning, in an attempt to imply that Walker cancelled his appearance there because of the John Doe probe and not because it wasn't very safe flying weather...; 1/26/12, 2:53 PM
Known Unknown said...: But yeah, the property tax kills you.

I believe our host is getting um, hosed, by Madison property tax rates.

But maybe the 'services' really are that good!; 1/26/12, 2:54 PM
garage mahal said...: Petunia
If I was lying, Yahoo Weather was lying. I checked before I posted it.; 1/26/12, 2:57 PM
purplepenquin said...: This inanity is not surprising from an asshat that wants to recall a governor over theoretical lack of scheduled lunch breaks because they are "life and death"

*sigh*

I never said, nor even implied, that missing a meal break will result in death. What I did say is that meals/breaks is one of the safety issues that will be lost due to the collective bargaining ban.

As I've asked before, is it truly unfathomable to cube-farmers (don't mean that in a bad way! beentheredonethatgottheteeshirt) that there actually are trades/professions where fatigue is a true safety issue? Working 8-12 hours without a break while sitting at a desk is a lot different than being on your feet the whole time while working with (and moving around) very heavy equipment and gear.

There are many workers who do some dangerous stuff sometimes, and the State as well as cities and counties have some of those folks on the payroll.

And also please keep in mind, that was only one of many examples that was brought up when it was asked for me to name any safety issue that will be lost due to the ban on collective bargaining that OSHA or the State doesn't already cover...other examples I gave were rigging and climbing rules, certification requirements (I ain't working next to a forklift driver who doesn't know what he is doing), as well as procedures regarding heavy voltage equipment.

These are all real and actual issues. The main reason our union organized in the first place was because people get hurt, and even sometime die, in our trade. Even to this day it is still dangerous at times, and this ban on collective bargaining has made it even more dangerous.; 1/26/12, 2:58 PM
Original Mike said...: Well, here's a flat out lie"

"Why Curious George sticks up for child molesters and people who raid Veterans Charities is anyone's guess though."; 1/26/12, 3:00 PM
garage mahal said...: "Why Curious George sticks up for child molesters and people who raid Veterans Charities is anyone's guess though."

I disagree. Feel free to point out why, and I'll retract.; 1/26/12, 3:08 PM
Michael said...: PurpleP

"Even to this day it is still dangerous at times, and this ban on collective bargaining has made it even more dangerous."

Are you suggesting that the lack of collective bargaining has caused the state to require work that was not required before? Are you implying that the state has decided to relax safety rules as a result? I would like to understand how the state can impose working conditions that are unacceptably dangerous when a moment before they did not. Examples of the roll back in safety would be helpful.; 1/26/12, 3:12 PM
TosaGuy said...: As a veteran, I am simply touched by the newfound concern that partisan liberals now have for me.; 1/26/12, 3:20 PM
Synova said...: "So its OK for a representative to shout "You Lie" at the President during the SOTU, but its not OK here...

got it...IOKIYAR...natch"

But don't you have it backward?

Hard to accuse the other side of hypocrisy when making a face and muttering to one's self or uttering two audible words during Obama's speech was an outrage.

At least on the right a person can legitimately say... "Hey, that's a bit more disruptive than a couple of audible words, isn't it? We'd complain if someone stood up and started protesting during the State of the Union, we really would."

And the left would not be able to point to a similar disruption to prove that, contrary to claims, a similar disruption would not be condemned. Only there hasn't been any.

But what does the defender of this say? Did they support the two words "you lie" so that now they can legitimately support this expression of opinion?

How is making a face and muttering something or two audible words an outrage and this clearly more extensive disruption not? What is objectively different? More disruption should be more outrage, right?; 1/26/12, 3:20 PM
Rusty said...: Rusty, don't personally know garage, but I'm sure we'd be quick friends as he never gets totally angry er discombobulated like many of Althouse's conservative flock.

As fellow progressive ideologs you two should get along fine. You stay on topic better than the G-man. He seems to have a fixation for your governor.They should maybe get a room and work it out.; 1/26/12, 3:22 PM
PackerBronco said...: garage mahal said...
Petunia
If I was lying, Yahoo Weather was lying. I checked before I posted it.

You posted the weather infomation to imply that Walker was lying cited it as the reason for his canceled trip.

You were called out on it and now you're, what? Claiming your were just posting a weather report as if this the weather.com Web site?

Yeah, thanks for the update, Debbie, and now back to Chuck for the rest of news ...

Pretty sad that you can't even discuss weather and travel advisaries without screwing it up.

That's what hate does to you. Not a drop of rain will fall unless you can figure out a way for it to fuel your hatred.; 1/26/12, 3:23 PM
Rusty said...: TosaGuy said...
As a veteran, I am simply touched by the newfound concern that partisan liberals now have for me.

Now's the time to ask for money.; 1/26/12, 3:23 PM
Scott M said...: More disruption should be more outrage, right?

Only if the disruption's means justify your ends.; 1/26/12, 3:24 PM
Synova said...: "Couldn't allow any dissent as it wouldn't be prudent. Free speech be damned!"

No one was stopped from speaking. No idea was suppressed. No one was denied the opportunity to dissent. It's only on the left that "free speech" = "I get to shout you down."

I have NO problem with noisemakers or protesters being expelled from a speech given by Obama.

But I do wonder, Shiloh... are Obama's speeches not noisy free-for-alls because Obama ALSO has trouble makers removed (making him just like Bush... and I'm waiting for your condemnation) OR are people on the right simply possessed of much better manners?

Which is it?; 1/26/12, 3:27 PM
garage mahal said...: You posted the weather infomation to imply that Walker was lying cited it as the reason for his canceled trip.

So what? Am I allowed to have an opinion?; 1/26/12, 3:31 PM
Synova said...: "I never said, nor even implied, that missing a meal break will result in death. What I did say is that meals/breaks is one of the safety issues that will be lost due to the collective bargaining ban."

So... theoretically the rules MIGHT change. Haven't changed yet.

Breaks are federal law, are they not? No employer operating sans union can deny employees breaks during their work day. Not legally. If employers without unions can't do it NOW how do you suppose it's going to change for employers who used to have stronger unions but who STILL have unions?

You make this stuff up and talk like it's already happened.; 1/26/12, 3:33 PM
purplepenquin said...: Micheal,

The examples I listed are actual things that are not covered by current laws/regulations. The ban on collective bargaining doesn't roll back any specific safety rules, rather it makes it so that no safety rules can be part of a union contract with the State/City/County.

I'm not saying that each&every safety concern I raised will be a problem due to this ban, rather I am pointing out that these safety concerns (as well as others...prison guards have a whole 'nother kettle of fish they are worried about) will no longer be able to be contractually enforced, and instead will be (at best) merely a suggested way of doing things.; 1/26/12, 3:34 PM
Petunia said...: Of course you're allowed to have an opinion, but weather conditions aren't opinions.; 1/26/12, 3:36 PM
Petunia said...: And if you'd checked a detailed weather site, or an aviation weather site, you'd have seen that the conditions you posted were incorrect.

But that wouldn't fit your "ruh roh!" narrative.; 1/26/12, 3:38 PM
Original Mike said...: "I disagree. Feel free to point out why, and I'll retract."

Typical garage. I'm suppose to prove a negative. It's on you to point to the post where he did what you said he did. Do it and I'll apologize.; 1/26/12, 3:38 PM
Curious George said...: "garage mahal said...
"Why Curious George sticks up for child molesters and people who raid Veterans Charities is anyone's guess though."

I disagree. Feel free to point out why, and I'll retract."

Seriously? How did I stick up for these people charged? Do you have anything?

And again, no one was charged with child molestation. Brian Pierick was charged with child enticement and causing a child to expose genitals, all having to do with text messaging.

Finally Brian Pierick not only did not commit these alleged crimes when he worked for Walker, he never has worked for Walker. He is the "domestic partner" of Timothy D. Russell, a former top aide to Scott Walker when the governor was county executive.

You are a liar and an idiot.; 1/26/12, 3:39 PM
purplepenquin said...: So... theoretically the rules MIGHT change. Haven't changed yet

Well, obviously people who are still operating under current contracts haven't lost those negotiated terms. But the ban on safety issues being included on new contracts is real&actual, not a hypothetical situation.

Breaks are federal law, are they not? No employer operating sans union can deny employees breaks during their work day. Not legally.

No, breaks/meals are not a Federal law and yes an employer can do exactly that to an adult worker in Wisconsin. (The state does place limits on how long someone under 18 is allowed to go without a break)

I worked for a call center (taking reservations for a resort) about a decade ago when this issue came up. 'twas "busy season" and they decided to cancel all meals/breaks. It ended up not lasting too long 'cause most of the managers smoked so they would also let the smokers sign up to go outside one-at-a-time for "puff breaks", and well...anyone who has worked in an office can picture the rest.

Just because you personally haven't encountered such a situation doesn't mean it is just made up.; 1/26/12, 3:48 PM
Michael said...: Purple P:

I see. I think you would do better to support unions on the basis of their economic help to the members rather than the safety issue. Your union may, indeed probably does, couch economic matters in terms of safety just as the featherbedding of the railroad work rules were. The truth is the safety rules generally result in more pay styled as less work for the same pay or more hours to do the same job resulting in more pay.

the state, your employer, really and truly does not want you to be hurt on the job. The state, your employer, is not an evil "boss" requiring desperately hard and dangerous work for little pay.

And you know it.; 1/26/12, 3:49 PM
purplepenquin said...: The state, your employer, is not an evil "boss" requiring desperately hard and dangerous work for little pay.

And you know it.

Hopefully you know I never said they were evil.

I also hope you know that some managers may sometimes push the workers harder than they safely should. That doesn't make 'em evil...sometimes they don't know better, sometimes they are under their own pressures to get it done, and sometimes they are just being an a-hole.

But no, I am not saying nor even suggesting that the State, or any other employer I work for, is "evil".; 1/26/12, 4:00 PM
Known Unknown said...: Did Walker honestly talk about the State of the State, or did he just make a stump speech?; 1/26/12, 4:06 PM
garage mahal said...: Typical garage. I'm suppose to prove a negative. It's on you to point to the post where he did what you said he did. Do it and I'll apologize.

You're arguing like Jay. Call me a liar, but won't/can't explain what the lie is.; 1/26/12, 4:06 PM
Brian Brown said...: garage mahal said...

You're arguing like Jay. Call me a liar, but won't/can't explain what the lie is.

Oh stop. I already did that.

And as I said, good luck with the "Walker's aides committed crimes in his office" line when a) he's not in that office b) they don't work for him.

Its funny, you've never seemed to worry about Democrats lawyering up or their aides committing crimes.; 1/26/12, 4:17 PM
Original Mike said...: Your lie, garage, is that CG has not "stood up for child molesters and people who raid Veterans Charities". Not even close. What he has done is push back on your bullshit. You mischaracterize that to the point that the word lie is appropriate.; 1/26/12, 4:31 PM
Meade said...: You're all going to have to stop flirting with garage.; 1/26/12, 4:32 PM
Original Mike said...: He does it to get attention. I know.; 1/26/12, 4:37 PM
Patrick said...: Garage, Neither Curious George, nor anyone else on this blog has "defended child molesters." A few people have questioned whether the alleged molester has any meaningful tie to Governor Walker, and whether the molesting accusation reflects on the Governor in any event. Your suggestion otherwise is dishonest in the extreme, and does you no honor. It reflects poorly on your other assertions and arguments.; 1/26/12, 4:41 PM
PackerBronco said...: garage mahal said...
So what? Am I allowed to have an opinion?

1/26/12 3:31 PM

Of course you are and when you're opinion makes you look like a horse's ass, it's so entertaining for the rest of us.

Walker canceled his trip because of some news story .... you a funny man GM.; 1/26/12, 4:43 PM
garage mahal said...: Oh stop. I already did that.

No you didn't, I just checked. This has to be embarrassing Jay. Both aides charged today worked for, and under, Scott Walker when the alleged crimes took place. As I stated upthread.; 1/26/12, 4:43 PM
Petunia said...: Don't forget that Mr. Pierick, the man with child porn on his phone, not only has NEVER worked for Scott Walker, he actually works for the state department of public instruction, that is, the department in charge of PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS, which is headed by Tony Evers, a liberal who was elected, NOT appointed.; 1/26/12, 6:11 PM
David said...: Thread summary:

Did so!

Did not~

Did so!

Prove it!

Idiot!

Idiot!

Liar!

Liar!; 1/26/12, 6:12 PM
shiloh said...: "Thread summary:

Did so!

Did not~

Did so!

Prove it!

Idiot!

Idiot!

Liar!

Liar!"

Pretty much every frickin' political thread at Althouse as let's hear it for consistency! :-P; 1/26/12, 6:25 PM
garage mahal said...: Dear Curious George,

I never intended the crack about defending molesters to be taken literally. (Honestly. And I think you know). I apologize and retract. The one thing that cannot be joked about, and it has nothing to do with Walker anyway.

That we know of.; 1/26/12, 6:42 PM
alan markus said...: Pierick seeks dismissal of child enticement charges

The complaint points out that although the teen claimed he was almost 19 years old, he made several references in his chats that would have suggested he was not yet 18, such as the fact he was still in high school, lived with his parents and had never engaged in the sex acts being discussed.

Gee, when I was a senior in high school, that was probably the profile of the majority of my classmates - I myself turned 18 in early September of my senior year. I don't think there is really any intent to have a successful prosecution, if this is all they have re" "child enticement".; 1/26/12, 8:36 PM
reformed trucker said...: "Again, are you an idiot or a liar?" - Curious George

Not either/or; rather both.; 1/26/12, 10:12 PM