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"The charges and the accusations I absolutely reject: They simply didn't happen. They simply did not happen."
"As [Sharon Bialek] got to the microphone, my first thought was, 'I don't even know who this woman is,' " said Cain. He said he could not remember Bialek from the National Restaurant Association, where he was president and CEO from 1996 to 1999, and "where she said she worked."
Asked about Karen Kraushaar, an accuser whose name was made public Tuesday, Cain called her allegations baseless. "To the best of my recollection that is the one that I recall that filed a complaint, but it was found to be baseless." He said he doesn't remember any of her accusations, except for making a gesture that she was the same height as his wife.
Cain said there was a "machine" trying to keep a businessman out of the White House, and said Sharon Bialek was a "troubled woman" put forward by "the Democrat machine."
"As far as these accusations causing me to back off and maybe withdraw from this primary race, ain't gonna happen, because I am doing this for the American people and for the children and the grandchildren."
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So do we yet know what the original official complaint was? You know, the one with documentation and a settlement? Now that we finally know who the lady is...
I can remember every woman I made out with.
Maybe I'm playing a smaller field than Cain, though.
It's time for the UW to send notice to Penn State that Bucky will forfeit if Joe Paterno shows up. Time for true moral courage.
Bialek is starting to look like the floozie she appeared to be yesterday. Apparently, she's tried this before.
And it's interesting that she had her picture taken with Herman 2 weeks ago at a Tea Party function.
Kraushaar works for the Administration and, from her resume, looks like a Democrat foot soldier.
This is the Axelrod-Plouffe MO from the time he was an IL State Senator. Destroy anybody who might be a credible challenger to Zero so he can run unopposed.
As a number of people have noted, this is Axelrod's way of trying to pick the Republican nominee and Republicans are out of their minds if they let him get away with it.
He's lying. By present standards, every heterosexual male has a long history of sexual harassment. Even onanists.
Ed -- Democrats have nothing to do with this. This was done by Republicans.
Obama would love to run against Cain. He may be wrong, but you can be sure that he feels that way.
Also, this is the first time in human history that I have witnessed anyone ascribe these sort of supernatural political powers usually reserved for Republican political consultants such as Karl Rove. So, real cool, man. Now I can't make fun of leftists for being the only people shallow enough to make these silly reverse cargo cult arguments.
I don't want a president who has "never acted inappropriately with anyone." Bialek's story made me like Cain even more: he's loose enough to get fresh with a blonde, but urbane enough to accept no as an answer. What a well-rounded individual.
Kraushaar's attorney is setting up a joint press conference with all 4 women present, can't wait.
What will the GOP do when Herman refuses to give up?
This should be fun to watch.
Herman connects with every person he meets. Male and female. It is only harassment if they don't want a relationship any more.
But that does not make it sexual, all you prudes out there. It's living life based upon friendships.
Herman's fault is his refusal to let lesser men beat him. Why should he?
We want Cain. We want Perry.
If not Cain, then Perry.
This is what the super-consultants in K-street want at every happy hour at the Oval Room.
This is what is best for POTUS Obama to win re-election all over the USA.
GOP, please do not listen to people/media who are against Cain. Just support Cain.
GOP, if you cannot support Cain, please support Perry.
Under no circumstance, GOP, support Romney. He is bad. RomneyCare. Yes, he is the FATHER of ObamaCare.
NO to ROMNEY
YES to CAIN or PERRY
Seven Machos said...
Ed -- Democrats have nothing to do with this. This was done by Republicans.
Obama would love to run against Cain. He may be wrong, but you can be sure that he feels that way.
Nah. This has the Chi-town feel to it.
Like Richard J Daley, they don't know when to let it go.
Allie said...
Kraushaar's attorney is setting up a joint press conference with all 4 women present, can't wait.
Neither can I.
Three women who don't want to give any details and one who's already being proven a liar.
Get the popcorn.
Cain: "I have never acted inappropriately with anyone, period."
That sound dull.
I went out last weekend and some guy said to me, "how is the rare clumber"?
I had no idea who he was.
He knew about my fab loft and education and everything.
I guess I did him.
Ed -- Jesus Christ, dude. I live in Chicago. What are you talking about?
This is an opposition research hit by another Republican candidate facilitated by an eager drive-by leftist media. That's all it is.
The same thing would have happened to John Edwards if he was a Republican. Or Ted Kennedy. Or Barney Frank. Or a dozen others. The same thing did happen to Bill Clinton. How do you think all that dirty laundry about him got out in the primaries? Happenstance? Was it somebody in Chicago?
And two weeks before that another guy came up to me and said "how are you, long time no see".
I had no idea who he was either.
He reminded me I did him.
I was like was I good?
He said great!
I said thanks.
It's hard out there being a pimp.
I want to believe Cain, and he was pretty convincing today. But Hugh Hewitt was interviewing PJMedia's Roger Simon who says he knows the third woman, and that he knows and believes her story, and that it's not trivial. I'm glad I don't have to make up my mind until June fifth.
Titus for President! He takes it up every orifice!!
A witness saw Cain and Bialek together only a few weeks ago. And he says now that he does not remember her at all?
What is most disturbing of all of this is Cain's immediate impulse is to use the Clinton playbook of deny and obfuscate and attack and trash. We even have the vast left-wing conspiracy here. All we needed was to have Caine pull out the steel balls in his hand.
And we even have the spectacle of his supporters giving Bialek the Paula Jones and Joe the Plumber treatments -- feigning to know nothing about her, yet able to dig up trash to throw at her within hours.
This is an opposition research hit by another Republican candidate
The Romney camp may have gotten this ball rolling -- like they did in spreading trash about Palin, et al. -- but Herman Clinton-Queeg has done the rest.
His response, more than anything, should doom him.
Where does Bialek work? Is the Wiki page up and running yet so we can vet her side of the story? The whole thing reminds me of Tawana Brawley. It's definitely going to be a movie of the week. Fast and Furious, Part IV.
Good, strong response. I hope it holds up. For his sake it better. He's bet the farm on it.
Saul Alinsky's fourth rule of power tactics reads, ""Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."
I think that's what the left is trying to do with Herman Cain. The left thinks that people on the center and right are uptight prudes who will attack any politician whose conduct isn't scrupulously moral and proper. (Contrast this with Democrats, who find that corruption and moral failings make a candidate more appealing.)
But in this era, in this election cycle, it won't work. A generation of statist Democrat and RINO politicians have seriously fucked up the country. If Cain is seen as the candidate that represents a clean break from the past, then sexual harassment allegations won't matter a bit. In fact, it could evoke a good deal of pent-up anger against Democrats for trying to destroy a fundamentally good candidate with irrelevant and unproveable charges.
Coketown said...
I don't want a president who has "never acted inappropriately with anyone." Bialek's story made me like Cain even more: he's loose enough to get fresh with a blonde, but urbane enough to accept no as an answer. What a well-rounded individual
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Amazing how committed feminists excused Clinton!!!
Amazing how "deep-believer Movement Conservatives" excuse Cain. Married black man, chasing down white pussy (catnip for black men).
"White bitches hound-dawged? So our 9-9-9 Jesus loving snakeoil merchant denied stuff found to be true" So what! He warmed by Christian fundie heart!!"
This brings the number of accusations to eight (8). Let us know if we missed any:
http://hermancaintimeline.wordpress.com/
Didn't any of the whores fuck him?
That is just sad.
Gee, I posted a comment, and it disappeared. Why?
Scott -- Probably it was David Axelrod because he knows Obama is scared to face you in an election.
Hey Scott -- Your second comment disappeared, too. Definitely it's Axelrod now. I smell the Chicago Way, whatever that is, and by the way it isn't getting rid of the big-ass rats in my alley.
"Kraushaar works for the Administration and, from her resume, looks like a Democrat foot soldier."
Also, back in 1999, she was in possession of a device which, utilizing faster than light neutrinos, enabled her to receive a message sent from our time by Axelrod, instructing her to file a sex harassment complaint against Cain, more than a decade before he became a presidential candidate.
Ann, are you just being petulent tonight? You don't even give a reason for deleting a comment -- even a hint, like "comment deleted by the moderator" or something?
Scott -- I don't think Althouse can make comments simply disappear. There will be a "comment deleted" note in the void. That's probably the software.
It's probably just a glitch at your end or at blogger's end.
Titus,
You hit the heart of the matter in a practical sense. No mean feat.
We don't cheerlead for the same team, but I would rather read your somewhat unusual posts, than delusional rantings from ex-hippies who never gave up their fantasies.
Yes, my sweet Alley. Put down the literal or figurative bong. Some of us gave it up decades ago. Of course, we had many advatanges over psych nurses -like above average IQs.
Maybe you ought to "go away". Your paymaster is about to assign you to a different site soon.
7M: Naw, she can delete comments "silently". I found that out once when I speculated that one of Wisconsin's senators was gay.
This is the kind of thing that Ann has done, and will do.
Welcome to Little Green Footballs II.
The MSM has a template on this story that they are going to follow.. and the things like the history of the accuser are not going to get in the way.
I've never seen Althouse delete a comment without making a bit to-do about it, since free speech is something she is fervent about. Was your comment some kind of cause for a libel suit? Even then, I'd think she'd use it as a teachable moment, as the teachers say.
It's more likely that your comments just got eaten.
Cain said there was a "machine" trying to keep a businessman out of the White House,...
No. Trying to keep the conservative black man down.
Seven, you give it a rest. Sophistry for its own sake gets boring.
Bender said...
A witness saw Cain and Bialek together only a few weeks ago. And he says now that he does not remember her at all?
Witness, my ass. She was at a Tea Party where Herman was speaking and had her picture taken with him. According to those there, she was "very friendly".
The FUD is really getting deep in here.
Yeah, I guess it's just a massive coincidence having to do with sunspots or the full moon or something. Yeah. That's it.
Ed -- I won't give it a rest. Conspiracy theories are almost always stupid and deserving of scorn. They are the products of small, parochial minds.
I can remember every woman I made out with.
That's because it was only one.
I sure can't. I was trying to think of the name of a woman yesterday. Couldn't remember her first name, but googled her last name and where she worked.
So many women, so little memory.
Everybody here seems to be the victim of or bitching about a conspiracy tonight. Cain is the victim of a giant conspiracy by Obama to bring him down. Scott is the victim of a secret conspiracy by Althouse to secretly delete his comments. And we know that C-Fudd is the victim of hundreds of conspiracies by clever Jews.
Anybody else? Titus -- are you the victim of some cocksucking conspiracy?
I used to sit in law school classes and write down the names of every girl I ever made out with.
Allie said...
Kraushaar's attorney is setting up a joint press conference with all 4 women present, can't wait.
'Blonde Bimbo Eruption' federal drone hired in PR [worked at various gov't agencies] by Clinton. The latest--her son works for Politico. What is it with Washington insiders? Their only true sexual fetish is incest. I'm waiting for the gay guy who met him at a 'glory hole' in Washington or Chicago. The only sure physical description of him is that he is 'blonde'.
I'm glad I don't have to make up my mind until June fifth.
I'm glad Cain was never my guy.
Seven Machos said;
Ed -- I won't give it a rest. Conspiracy theories are almost always stupid and deserving of scorn. They are the products of small, parochial minds.
11/8/11 8:18 PM
Seven Machos, Oh God, hell has frozen over, I agree with you. Eddy sees himself as arbiter of the latest conspiracy theory posted on Drudge.
The single-celled intelligence has no knowledge of history.
There's a surprise.
If I were to SWAG it, I think Althouse got upset when I implied that the unproveable allegations of sexual harassment were irrelevant in the larger context of a country in deep trouble.
And they are.
And apparently this can't be discussed on the Althouse blog. So much for free speech -- it's just posturing on her part.
(I remember when she got strangely upset when I suggested that kids in grade school could be taught to meditate. Her hot buttons can be surprising.)
Yes, my sweet Alley. Put down the literal or figurative bong. Some of us gave it up decades ago. Of course, we had many advatanges over psych nurses -like above average IQs.
Maybe you ought to "go away". Your paymaster is about to assign you to a different site soon.
11/8/11 8:10 PM
Fransicko, are you still on my tail, mad cause you would never get any of it? mad cause you're not a REAL Doctor?
Allie -- The most fascinating thing is that there certainly is a conspiracy here. It's between some Republican candidate's opposition research guy and some reporter at Politico. Things took on a life of their own beyond any agreement long ago.
But Ed won't admit that. He can't admit that politics is politics. So -- like what we usually see among leftists these days -- he ascribes actions to some mysterious cabal by powerful, secret, unnamed agents.
I used to sit in law school classes and write down the names of every girl I ever made out with.
I had a friend with a list like that that she kept updated. I found it very bizarre.
You know, the campaign really isn't on, yet. Herman Cain is looking for the publicity. And, this topic found him.
Right off the bat, when the first two women refused to come forward, I suspected they weren't Black women.
Now, Sharon Bailek has shown you he was propositioning a white blond haired woman.
And, the contest of the 8 contendahs? No one is gonna pay attention to anyone else.
Maybe, Cain, who also spends time "doing gospel" ... will come out and tell people that he doesn't expect much from any woman who would "date" a married man.
Who can win the republican nomination in 2012? Dunno.
But Sarah Palin and Donald Trump will be running just the same.
The GOP label? It can shrink in the wash.
"I can remember every woman I made out with."
But do they?
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I'm pretty sure that most sexual encounters I've had involved some level of inappropriate behavior. At the time, it all seems very appropriate, but later? Well that's just not fair. You had to be there.
Shanna -- I was just bored out of my mind. I didn't keep the lists.
The minute Gloria Allred gets involved you know there is something very fishy. She is a legal and political assassin.
The problem is we will never find out what faction of the Democratic Party is paying her bill and expenses. And she does get paid.
The accuser sure doesn't have that kind of money.
It's interesting to watch what Romney is doing. He already has enough name recognition, right now he wants no attention whatsoever. He wants all the attention on Cain and Perry. He knows the press is hostile, so why pop up your head for nothing. Stay low, let the cannon fodder take the heat. It's smart, but not impressive, nor courageous. It's 100% Romney.
I have to stick up for psych nurses--I got a hard soft spot for them. They always 'understand' you and give you 'special attention', heh.
Scott -- I guess brief summaries of posts deleted by Althouse are okay, right? Was it lurid details about teaching kids to mediate? Was Jerry Sandusky involved?
I think you are thinking a bit too much of yourself here. A few threads back, I went ballistic on a guy showing him how he was not the peace-loving guy he thought he was, but really a closet fascist who wants to subvert representative democracy with a leftist agenda no one supports. Motherfuck this. Cocksucking that.
Those posts are still there.
You people who are arguing about conspiracy are assuming that what's happening now was somehow planned. It wasn't. In opposition research, you plant the story. You hope it gets legs and hope for the best.
Whoever planted this story -- it worked out beyond their wildest dreams. But they aren't pulling strings. And it could still backfire tremendously. I don't think it will. But it could.
Of course there is the 'exception' that proves the rule--nurse Cratchit types obsessed with daily bowel movements--Titus would understand. Had a lot of fun with one in a 'serious discussion' of my big 'Kahuna'--at the end the other 5 nurse burst out laughing and I ended up--on her 'shit list'.
"He knew about my fab loft and education and everything.
I guess I did him."
That might have been me, I know all that stuff about you, but I don't think you did me. One time, I think I gestured that you were about the same height as my German Shepard, but there was nothing inappropriate.
When asked if he did the dirty deed to these white women, Herman just keeps repeating. " nein-nein-nein."
7M: I'm not making a big thing about it. Blogs are literary junk food, and I can have a happy and full life without posting here. I have better quality time interacting with my golden retriever.
On one level, I find the silent deleting of posts petulent and irritating and dishonest. On another, commenting here can be like a "white box' behavioral science experiment, but I have to be in the right mood for it.
Seven Machos said...
Allie -- The most fascinating thing is that there certainly is a conspiracy here. It's between some Republican candidate's opposition research guy and some reporter at Politico. Things took on a life of their own beyond any agreement long ago.
But Ed won't admit that. He can't admit that politics is politics. So -- like what we usually see among leftists these days -- he ascribes actions to some mysterious cabal by powerful, secret, unnamed agents.
And we still await Seven's documentation of this other than his own say-so and a couple of Libertarian pundits' tea leaves. As I say, sophistry for its own sake becomes a bore.
OTOH, the single-celled intelligence can't seem to grasp that Seven espouses a conspiracy theory also, just one she likes better.
All I'm doing is going by track record. I could be wrong, but the record says I'm not.
Eddy , Seven's sexy blue mask is just distracting me from YOUR truth, I'm just not seeing it.
Ed -- Obama and his political consultants have no reason to bring down the candidacy of a minor Republican candidate who has never, ever won a political office in his life, or even a primary.
It is, of course, foolish to argue with conspiracy theorists. They can never be convinced by reason. That's the beauty of the conspiracy theory. It is impervious to reason.
Suffice it to say, you are wrong and foolish and naive. It's sad, really, that you think that a routine dredging up of allegations of affairs in a primary -- which happens as predictably as the seasons -- is the handiwork of some political mastermind from another party entirely.
Anyway, froth forth, dude. Howl at the moon.
This much time spent on this story does not recommend our electoral process. We are a pathetic electorate with a pathetic press. We don't deserve democracy.
"Obama and his political consultants have no reason to bring down the candidacy of a minor Republican candidate who has never, ever won a political office in his life, or even a primary."
In other words, you believe that Cain is unelectable. Just say it.
Trouble is, Obama is a weak president. And Cain, in most polls, prior to the generation of this sex scandal, was the front runner.
There are also a number of scandals that the president certainly wants to steer attention away from. Even if Cain wasn't electable, he could be used for that. "Never waste a good crisis." And if there is no crisis, create one.
So, Scott, your one post disappeared, and then a post about how that post -- which I saw -- disappeared. But all these other posts remain. What dastardly reasons explain that? Is it just irrational behavior on Althouse's part? Or is it maybe some other irrational thing?
Amy Jacobson (the witness to the Bialek/Cain hug): Former television reporter Amy Jacobson is fighting back against the station that disgraced her. Jacobson was dismissed in July of 2007 from Chicago station WMAQ-Ch. 5 after CBS station and ratings rival WBBM aired provocative footage of Jacobson in an inappropriate situation. In the midst of of the search for Lisa Stebic, who has been missing since April, 2007, Jacobson was filmed relaxing in a swimsuit at the home of Stebic's husband...
The Sun Times story linked to above that says "Picture with Herman Cain" only has a photo of Cain with Jacobson and two other people. No picture of Bialek.
Bill Kurtis (WBBM News, CBS, and other TV work) spoke about Bialek on the Roe Conn Show on WLS Radio today. He said Bialek used to work for CBS and she has a history. He said there's a lot more to the story.
wv: collethr
7M: You're making a bigger thing of it than I am. I'm merely noting what I observed. And in any case, Ann, being a proud person of high integrity, would surely respond if my speculations were without factual basis.
(Lovely night. Listen to the crickets...)
Shanna -- I was just bored out of my mind. I didn't keep the lists.
Oh I got that and that doesnt' seem as strange. Lists are fun. I would be hopeless at that, though.
She was at a Tea Party where Herman was speaking and had her picture taken with him.
__________
Oh, thanks for the addition, ed.
They had a picture taken together only a few weeks ago -- AND CAIN STILL DENIES REMEMBERING HER or knowing who she is.
Kraushaar and Bialek are Republicans, ha.
Scott -- Is this your first election? Are you aware that allegations of sexual indiscretion happen in every single election cycle, everywhere in the United States and the world, at every level of government?
Further, one thing that I let pass earlier was Ed's ridiculous assertion that Obama wants to run unopposed. Is this how you people think? Do you think that Obama is going to nefariously bring down every Republican candidate and that he will face no other candidates? Child, please.
Also, yes, I do think that Cain is unelectable. I base this on the well-founded observation that Cain has never, ever, ever been elected to, or even nominated for, an office in which the outcome is based on a popular vote. Not once. This adds substantial weight to my well-reasoned position that Obama and his political consultants don't give a flying fuck about Cain and, in fact, would love to face him in the general election.
But you Republicans looking for the ghost train: keep dancing. Keep dancing and waiting for that grossly inexperienced person to come out of nowhere and sweep people off their feet and bring about hope and change and improvement. After all, it worked fabulously for the Democrats. Except for the hope and change and improvement part.
I bet you that she confronted Cain about him getting her a job and when he didn't or couldn't she told him that she would go public and smear him for hanging her out to dry.
In some cultures, acting "inappropriately" could be something as innocent as talking to a strange woman in public.
But in black American culture, slavering over white women is perfectly normal, expected, and therefore can probably be thought of as "appropriate."
Scott -- I had a post disappear just the other day. (Even mentioned it in the comments.) Blogger eats one here and there randomnly.
I figure it's a case of feed the beast.
It's not you. Seriously.
SORUN EQUALS MOBY.
She was at a Tea Party where Herman was speaking and had her picture taken with him.
Where's the photo? Photo at the link is of Amy Jacobsen.
"I base this on the well-founded observation that Cain has never, ever, ever been elected to, or even nominated for, an office in which the outcome is based on a popular vote."
Like Eisenhower.
Like Hoover.
Like Taft.
Like Taylor.
Like Madison.
I think you're begging the issue. At the very least, his experience makes him far more qualified than the incumbent.
It don't matter, Herman. You are finished! Your pizza was never very good at all; it's not like you were a Vodka manufacturer or something like that, in which case this might be able to go away.
No, no, Herman... Da people, trained by Nancy Grace and Dr. Phil, are gonna see you for the BLACK MAN you are. They're gonna know that you done it.
It don't even matter what "it" is. You done done it. You can channel Bill Clinton and waggle your dark-skinned finger and say "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
Yeah, yeah, whatever, Herman. The first black President tried to fool us with that stuff too. Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, won't get fooled again!
The people know you are just a horny bastard seeking to schlock his pepperoni to whatever chic is at hand. Best to quit now, before you embarrass yourself further.
Scott -- Before your post no doubt gets removed for its silliness, let me say that I went round and round about these people before. Military leaders have been political leaders since before democracy was a twinkle in some philosopher king's eye. It will always be that way.
Herbert Hoover was in a presidential cabinet (and a technocrat and a massive, miserable failure).
Taft had been a judge, a governor-general in a fiefdom, and solicitor general).
Madison was a member of the House, secretary of state, and the author of the Bill of Rights.
Cain is a minor nobody who has been involved in one of the several Federal Reserve Banks.
During the next election, Herman Cain wants you to pull his lever and vote for him.
A past mayor of Knoxville, TN, Cas Walker owned a local grocer store chain. One of his advertising slogans was "Cas Walker's meat can't be beat." (No shit!)
Can't say that about Herman Cain!
I add here that I have said before and will now say again that Herman Cain might well be a great statesman. But like Sarah Palin, like Barrack Obama, like that goofball Ross Perot -- he needs to hone his craft at lower levels.
Hillary Clinton understood this for crying out loud. Palin seems to have understood it. Why can't Cain?
Run for governor, dude. Win a primary. Win an election. Govern. Show us what you got. Then ask to be nominated and elected president.
You people bloviating about Cain are asking for another inexperienced president and all the missteps that come with that.
Aw, 7M, you have to admit that, since you are so intimately familiar with the experience Cain would bring to the office, he is far more qualified now than Obama was when he was candidate. It's obvious. The only big thing Obama ever ran before running for the presidency was his mouth -- and he couldn't even do that without a telepromter.
The scandal widens! "I was harrassed by Gloria Allred" sometime in the '90s -- is a must read.
That sounds dull.
LOL. That cracked me up.
I remember when the Republicans nominated Ginsburg for the Supreme Court, and then we yanked him because he smoked pot back in the day.
So we replaced him with Kennedy, who had a boring, spotless record, and he went on to prove himself as a vacuous black hole of jurisprudence who killed some babies because he didn't know what a D&E was.
But at least we kept the potsmoker off the Court. Zero tolerance wins again!
Allie said...
Kraushaar and Bialek are Republicans, ha.
That's why Kraushaar has consistently held jobs in Democrat Administrations.
And, of course, Bialek's word is good as gold.
Seven Machos said...
Further, one thing that I let pass earlier was Ed's ridiculous assertion that Obama wants to run unopposed.
The only thing that's ridiculous is Seven's usual sophomoric blather.
Again, look at the record. Axelrod doesn't let his boy run against anybody credible. One way or another, they're always removed.
But Seven knows that. He just wants to have a pointless argument. And his only substantiation is that he says so.
Your pizza was never very good at all
WTF, dude, how wrong can you be?
If your Dad wasn't inappropriate with your Mom, you wouldn't be here. So I really couldn't give a flying f*ck what Cain did in 1997, true story or no.
he is far more qualified now than Obama was when he was candidate
I admit that. But neither has or had nearly enough.
At least you aren't like Ed here, convinced that David Axelrod is pulling the strings like some deranged puppet master. But whatever helps you sleep at night, Ed. I guess. You are harmless enough.
P.S.: How is Cain more credible than all the other Republican candidates? How is he more credible than Romney or Perry, for example? What credibility does he bring that Joe Average Voter in Zanesville, Ohio is going to swoon for?
If Obama faces Cain, it will be one more instance of Obama facing a crappy candidate.
Cain is disabled, and yet still running. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and all that. I thought this was a law blog.
What crime or common law or statutory violation is Cain charged with, Kirby? Which governmental entity is involved?
Did you defend John Edwards so zealously?
Seven Machos said...
If Obama faces Cain, it will be one more instance of Obama facing a crappy candidate.
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... as opposite to Obama, the crappiest candidate ever, but with the media on his side. Obama does not even need to campaign, other than for giving the media opportunity for campaign reporting revenues.
as opposite to Obama, the crappiest candidate ever, but with the media on his side
It is true that Obama helped compel several Democratic candidates somewhat nefariously when they ran against him. It's also true that the decent Republican who would have run against him in Illinois had his very dirty laundry aired at an inopportune time.
That's where your cute little story ends. There was no Republican who was going to beat any Democrat in 2008. That's just how it was going to be. A good analogy is 2000, when we had a roaring economy and 9/11 hadn't happened. The best Al Gore could do was tie George W. Bush, not exactly any world beater. People want change sometimes. Obama capitalized on that to beat Clinton and sail to the presidency.
Moreover, if Obama is so crappy, why put up another even crappier candidate against him? It makes no sense.
Cain for Governor of Some State in 2014!
It's smart, but not impressive, nor courageous. It's 100% Romney.
I'll take smart over foolhardy twice a day and three times on Sunday.
I have zero interest in Cain. He's too old. I'm generally not agist when it comes to candidates for executive positions, but he's blathering on like what worked in the 20th Century will work now... and it absolutely will not.
It reminds me of Bush 1 and Clinton. I liked Bush 1, but his era was coming to a close and it was time for the nextgen to step up. Nothing could change that.
Cain was too slow to respond. He needs facts, facts, facts. I don't believe these women for a minute. The funniest excuse for Bialek is "What has she got to gain?
After Kim Kardashisn and Paris Hilton built careers out of sex tapes ?
Allie said...
Kraushaar and Bialek are Republicans, ha.
Which means what to you? Did you just graduate from leftard school 101, where you majored in Dull Irony? God, you aren't even that bright. No wonder you insulated yourself with other unionistas. It must have been very safe and secure knowing that you ran with each other in great numbers and defying the odds your stupidity has been hidden for this long.
kimsch said...
Where's the photo? Photo at the link is of Amy Jacobsen.
I don't believe there is one, but there is eyewitness proof that she was there talking to Cain. Whether Cain knew her or not might explain why he says he's never seen her before until she was with that tool of the legal left, Alred.
Isn't the most likely scenario that Cain is a charismatic man who frequently hits on women?
You people sound for all the world like leftists defending John Edwards during that whole saga. Why twist and contort yourselves? Do you really believe that some five women are being paid to destroy Cain? Wouldn't that be a very hard thing to keep under wraps -- not to mention highly illegal?
Will Cain file libel and slander suits? Only Harvard Law grad Alger Hiss was stupid enough to file a libel and slander suit when he was guilty. Cain went to Morehouse and Purdue. He is math guy. He's nowhere near that stupid.
It's not the double breasted suits. It's the wide brimmed, black leather hat. Faithful husbands do not wear such hats. Herman has an eye for the ladies....I don't think he's necessarily a predator or a sleaze, but definitely he's aware of the opposite sex. Sometimes smoke indicates the presence of a smoke making machine, but in this case I'm inclined to believe there's fire.....Has anyone considered the possibility that he bribed Bialek to go to Allred with a story that he can easily refute later. Now that's a conspiracy.....Then there's the dogs that didn't bark. Jesse Jackson ran for President two times. He was a flaming philanderer. Why do you think that his amours were never reported? How much coverage would a woman like Bialek have been granted?.....I read the Norris biography of Teddy Roosevelt and the McCullough bio of Truman. Both men were almost certainly vigins on their wedding nights and never cheated on their wives during the course of their marriages.....You can say it's just sex, but I have more trust in such men than leaders who rape the maid.
Which year will some flaky chick come forward to say she was felt up by Mr. Z--
and slapped the shit out of him?
Women her age (who are *so* aggressive about going after a job)--surely have the balls to fend off being felt up, AND TO TALK ABOUT IT IMMEDIATELY.
"Bialek is starting to look like the floozie she appeared to be yesterday."
Let's get something straight ... she is a floozie.
Let's get something else straight, these charges are hitting the mark. They will keep coming. It will get worse. More women are coming forth.
The charges are designed to inform Americans (and especially conservatives) of a couple of things:
* Cain is probably not faithful to his wife (neither is Obama, but Cain will be held to a higher standard).
* He's not trustworthy.
* He fucks yo white women. Hide yo wife, hide yo kids. He fuckin' eerybody up in here.
Saying "I have never done anything inappropriate" is a non-denial denial designed to give Cain room to walk back his denials later when pictures appear (and they will). Saying (now) that he doesn't remember this woman allows him to later remember her without having to take anything back or be accused of having lied.
Cain is being hurt by the Chicago machine by his own poor judgement.
Doesn't matter that these women are all Obama-connected floozies.
Obama -- The president manqué.
Cain -- Man with healthy libido from high-touch culture meets the oppostion's feminist tool-people.
Romney -- Craven opportunist who never met a policy position he didn't like.
Perry -- Debates suggest a need for Ritalin.
Dream ticket: Cain-Perry
Frank,
Q: How can you tell who the head nurse on a psych unit is?
A: She's the one with dirty knees.
WV:Brayed - Attempts to be clever by the leftie trolls on this site.
Sex always sells--lots of profits to made in it.
While I like Herman Cain, he appears to me to woefully uninformed about many issues, particularly in foreign affairs.
I do wish he had held some kind of elective office--Governor of a regional fed reserve is not an elective office.
Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
It does look bad that there is more than one woman accusing him of misconduct. However, the one who made her details known looks designed to make a black man look bad in the eyes of black women voters. (And it wasn't workplace sexual harassment, but a sexual pass.) The others are still vague insinuations. I'll have to know who the other accusers are, who they work for, and what they allege he did to condemn him or withdraw my support completely.
Here's why. In Ohio during the last election, there was a hotly contested Congressional seat between a newcomer conservative and an incumbent Democrat. The conservative was gaining in the polls when he was suddenly slapped with a sexual harassment suit by a woman who volunteered for his campaign and who was allegedly a conservative. It sunk his campaign and the incumbent Democrat won. When it came time for the case to go to court, the woman dropped her charges. He never got to face his accuser. It has remained a "he said/she said" affair which sunk the political career of the conservative.
It's clear to me this is Dem oppo. If Cain gets nominated Obama loses the race card. Imagine how difficult that would be for him.
They had a picture taken together only a few weeks ago -- AND CAIN STILL DENIES REMEMBERING HER or knowing who she is.
In fairness to Cain, politicians take pictures with everyone. I have a picture with President Bush and if you went and asked him about me, even a few weeks later, he would probably DENY REMEMBERING ME!
Of course, we never worked together or went on a date, but still.
Hey conspiracy nutjobs, ask this question: How could anyone go back in time, knowing that Cain would one day run for President, get a woman to file a sexual harassment complaint against Cain and then actually win a settlement?
Really? This is what you think?
Someone at the association tipped a reporter to the settlements...that's all. The behavior that prompted the settlements is pure Cain...
Another question: Why did Cain book a hotel room in the city he lived in with his wife?
Damn, another victim.
Via Rantburg:
A woman who settled a sexual harassment complaint against GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain in 1999 complained three years later at her next job about unfair treatment.
Karen Kraushaar, 55, filed the complaint while working as a spokeswoman at the Immigration and Naturalization Service in the Justice Department in late 2002 or early 2003, with the assistance of her lawyer, Joel Bennett, who also handled her earlier sexual harassment complaint against Cain in 1999. Three former supervisors familiar with Kraushaar's complaint, which did not include a claim of sexual harassment, described it for the AP under condition of anonymity because the matter was handled internally by the agency and was not public.
To settle the complaint at the immigration service, Kraushaar initially demanded thousands of dollars in payment, a reinstatement of leave she used after the accident earlier in 2002, promotion on the federal pay scale and a one-year fellowship to Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, according to a former supervisor familiar with the complaint. The promotion itself would have increased her annual salary between $12,000 and $16,000, according to salary tables in 2002 from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management.
Longtime lurker here, first time posting.
Just thought I would point out to Allie what a vapid twat she is, at least Garage only spews his moronic drivel a couple of times per post at most.
Also, it is not "Dococtorate of Jurisprudence." It is a juris doctor, but I'm guessing your idiot spawn probably went to some clown college law school.
That is all.
Hey conspiracy nutjobs, ask this question: How could anyone go back in time, knowing that Cain would one day run for President, get a woman to file a sexual harassment complaint against Cain and then actually win a settlement?
I have no idea whether the allegations being made by this or any other woman against Cain are truthful or not but I have had the misfortune of dealing with people on the job and at school who have filed charges against others knowing that it would make the other person’s life difficult having to defend it. In law school for example, I had a classmate who was (falsely) accused by another student of “misconduct” in student government with the intention of forcing the other student to change their vote or else having to disclose on their bar application that they were charged with “misconduct” and having to explain the basis of the charge. So no, I don’t think it takes being a conspiracy theorist to believe that someone can be so petty and vindictive (not saying that this is case here) to do things just to make another person’s life more miserable and to bring it up again years later when they’re in the public eye in order to hurt them again.
As far as winning a settlement, I used to work in products liability litigation and one of my early lessons was that organizations (particularly those that carry any sort of liability insurance) usually have a dollar amount where they will settle a claim because it’s cheaper than going to court regardless of whether they’re right on the merits. Most companies and other organizations care more at the end of the day about minimizing risk than they do about standing on principal so giving someone a payoff to avoid the embarrassment of having to defend charges that can neither be proven nor disproven seems par for the course.
Again – not saying that this is the case here.
Thorley, the point I am trying to make isn't about the merits of the claims (I have no idea if they are true), but how could they have been documented more than a decade ago to cause political harm now?
As for the law student in your post, that is ridiculous. A made-up charge of misconduct to force a vote change? I think we both would vigorously defend ourselves from such a charge and it would not be that difficult to explain to a state bar. Are you saying this person, in order to avoid having to explain a fictitious charge to a state bar, rolled over because someone might file a made-up misconduct claim with the student government? Is this person a lawyer now, because please supply his/her name so I may avoid using them to defend me against anything.
As for settling, it is much different to settle a products liability claim than one for on the job sexual harassment. Different ballpark.
What bothers me is how Cain so easily resorts to circle-the-wagons-deny-everything tactic. It's Obama redux.
Shanna, et al. --
It isn't just the picture, or the lack of a picture. A witness saw Cain with Bialek only a few weeks ago. The witness saw Bialek pull Cain in close to her and give some rather forceful words close in his ear. After that, Bialek was seen stomping off.
And Cain insists that he does not remember her. The witness says that she did not hear what Bialek said to Cain, but it is a fair assumption that she discussed this matter. And Cain insists that he does not remember her.
By far, the number one piece of evidence against Cain in these affairs is the response of Cain (and his supporters) to them. The response to bring up irrelevant personal information, the "nuts and sluts" response to call Bialek a "disturbed woman" and a "floozy," the response of reflexively blaming everyone, including accusations of sinister plots and conspiracies against him, the response of spin, deflect, obfuscate, attack, smear, dissemble, and parse.
If Cain wasn't doing his best at a Bill Clinton imitation in his resposne to this, I would be less inclined to conclude that he was acting like Clinton with these women.
Sorepaw,
Here's why. In Ohio during the last election, there was a hotly contested Congressional seat between a newcomer conservative and an incumbent Democrat.
Sutton (D) vs. Ganley (R)?
Yes
And Cain insists that he does not remember her.
I've met the CEO of my extremely large corporation 3 times.
I'd be willing to wager he does not know my name at all.
Why he would remember an employee who was let go after 6 months that he likely had no dealings with?
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