The city is Madison, Wisconsin.
ADDED: Meanwhile, at the Wisconsin State Fair (near Milwaukee):
Police said the group of young people attacked fairgoers who were leaving the fair grounds. Police said that some victims were attacked while walking. They said others were pulled out of cars and off of motorcycles before being beaten.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 316 of 316Fred said: I am not sure why it should matter. Shouldn't the criminal behavior be the issue?
Usually a motive is important, at least to "understand" crime.
Factoring race out, perhaps the motive was resentment of perceived wealth. This is still despicable. And yet it rhymes with themes being played in the national media: resent the wealthy, even if they are just middle class. It's just so predictable and so "Alinsky."
Can we demonize "Alinksy" enough? I think not when it gets right down to it. You either sympathize with the man's means and tactics or you don't.
At Disney, you never have to look over your shoulder.
Crack - "This is an assault. I don't care if it was because people are white, or for money, or just out of anger. Make the penalties stiff and stress we won't stand for it.
That's all that needs to be done."
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Unfortunately, it is not simply a matter of the community seeking to emulate "Justice is Blind" and ignoring motive to just go after select individuals.
If 4 people out of 170 engaging in the thuggery were arrested..what does the arrest do about the other 166?
Or the many supporters and cheerleaders?
If 37 radical Muslims backed by millions of radical Muslim supporters and cheerleaders hatch a plot to launch 4 planes into buildings - I have a problem that goes past the 37, with people that are not going to be "criminally indicted...because the problem is bigger than just "enforcing penalties" on the surviving members of the 37 "actual perps".
Good point, Carol. Now we can turn this into a thread about privatizing parks. Those usually go pretty well.
This whole situation is what happens when melanists are convinced they can get away with anything they want and why they must be stopped.
I mean, if Bill Clinton says we need a national dialog on race, can we have one on Saul Alinsky too? Hillary Clinton wrote a thesis on the Man. Maybe we can ask her what his redeeming qualities were.
Even since this President was elected it's been non-stop Saul Alinsky and class resentment.
Tocqueville wrote of the 1840's:
Society was cut in two: those who had nothing united in common envy, and those who had anything united in common terror. link.
You know who else wrote in the 1840's? Karl Fucking Marx.
Carol_Herman said...
At Disney, you never have to look over your shoulder.
That's because they search your bags going in. It's kinda like Switzerland.
I deplore the fact that some fringe elements among the peaceful melanist community have been driven to extreme measures by the relentless provocation by the frecklist imperialists.
That's because they search your bags going in. It's kinda like Switzerland.
I only have the one and they don't get to search it without dinner and a movie first.
Plus, there are hate crime laws (which I do not support) that were enacted in large to punish the evil whites who commit crimes against blacks for the sole reason that the person is black, with no realization that the converse happens too. It needs to be pointed out so that the dogooders with tunnel vision might realize they're policies and laws are wrong.
But, your reaction illustrates why so many dance around the issue.
(Unfortunately for blacks, more blacks have been sent to prison for hate crimes than whites.)
Melanist violence always boils over when the days are longer like this. The were probably outraged each day is getting shorter and thus playing to OUR strengths.
with no realization that the converse happens too
I am still shocked to find out that there are people with extremely deep-seated beliefs that reverse-racism and reverse-sexism do not exist.
WV - "swora" - one "y" short of how dumb people spell soiree
You know there is a good "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" joke in here somewhere but I am afraid to make it.
Maybe it was a promotion or something.
Ooopes.
We pwn summer. Enjoy the moonlight, snow bunny.
If Dr Zaius was awake he would say that is racist.
Trooper York said...
If Dr Zaius was awake he would say that is racist.
What ever became of Mort?
Apparently the movie never explains how a few hundred intelligent apes overthrow the entire world. There's supposedly easter eggs for each of the previous POTA movies including the abysmal Burton attempt.
Trooper York said...
You know there is a good "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" joke in here somewhere but I am afraid to make it.
I suspect the only "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" joke anyone needs will be the movie itself.
wv: megened. What they did to the movie apes to make them smarter.
Apparently the movie never explains how a few hundred intelligent apes overthrow the entire world.
banana peels.
Chip S. @ 3:41 PM. First, Disney built the park.
You wouldn't even know they had security ... except for everything your eyeballs take in ... there's a second city underground.
Disney didn't want you to see the employees who wear the cartoon costumes ... coming into work.
Then? He, himself, built an apartment above the storefront. On mainstreet.
The idea of watching people grew from that.
You'd never know, while you were at Disney, that there are professionals watching everything. No just the cash registers.
I suspect that Disney has ways of getting security out fast! But they don't shoot down roads. They don't ride in vehciles with sirens on top. They "pop" out.
And, to do that well, they don't let anyone know their secrets.
Now, if you put this fair down in New York's Lower East Side ... (Which is run by the mafia. With the Catholic Church out front. And, pushing along statues that have dollar bills (and other money), hanging off the front ... What keeps the peace ... isn't the police department!
The mafia has their eyes out.
You don't get to security ... if you don't have people walking in the crowds (talking into their sleeves.)
Tubbs is just an affirmative action hire.
Puts Madison in the shadow of Oslo. NOT PREPARED! And, not particularly responsive.
Crack -
"Because A) I don't think you understand shit about the issue, because you don't even understand that B) continuing to discuss race as an important issue - as a way to eliminate it - will never make it go away."
I enjoy much or your writing, but you're very much a pompous ass at times because A) I do understand the issue and B) I discuss race where relevant and we simply disagree on relevance.
You're just a guy, dude. You have nothing up on me despite your beliefs.
Scott M said...
Apparently the movie never explains how a few hundred intelligent apes overthrow the entire world"
Politics.
You would be amazed what people will vote for. Just sayn'
@CarolH--I like the idea of having security guards patrolling the fairgrounds in disguise. Cheeseheads for some, while others dress like the racing sausages at Miller Park. Imagine the video of some punk getting his ass kicked by a bratwurst.
Then? He, himself, built an apartment above the storefront. On mainstreet.
Then, after he outgrew that, he built swankier digs above the "Pirates Of The Carribean" in Frontierland. That was so he could keep a good eye on his favorite attraction--the "Mark Twain."
...no youths under 18 years of age would be allowed onto the grounds after 5 p.m. without a parent or guardian...
And the white kids get screwed -- future conservatives in the making.
I don't about Wisconsin, but in Minnesota the state fair is a BFD. A highlight of a lot of kids' summers. And Friday night on the Midway...
Oh, the outrage continues. Drudge has taken top billing away from race-a-mania, and given it to Snooki's big tanned ta-tas.
I'm extrapolating from my own incident with wilding. I think the youths--there are other descriptive words-- purposefully choose me not despite my size but because of it. Perhaps it was some kind of rite of passage in order to prove to themselves and each other that they were not intimidated by white people. I do think it was curious that the kid had to remark that he wasn't scared of me as he tried to hit me. I'm always pleased as punch to help people overcome their insecurities, but surely there are better ways for black people to overcome their feelings of anxiety around whites. At any rate after the attempted assault I moved out of the neighborhood.....I don't think black people appreciate the almost reflexive, instinctive hostility in their community towards white people. And the hard it causes not white people, but they themselves. In The Autobiography of Malcolm X, Malcolm writes about seeing, in 1957, a group of refugees from Hungary arriving at the airport. He takes note of their arrival and flatly asserts that in two weeks they will be calling him a n*gger. Christ, they are barely off the plane, and he is proclaiming them racists....Franz Fanon, writing of the Algerian rebellion,, stated that by killing a white colonialist the Algerian rid himself of an oppressor while at the same time liberating himself from fear of that oppressor. The Algerian rebellion was successful. The Algerians managed to ethnically cleanse their country of the French who had been there three or four generations and were the most dynamic and entrepeneurial in the country. Algeria did not prosper after they left. The challenge for the Algerians and for blacks here is not to make the whites move away but to find some way of getting along with them.
DADvocate,
I'm not challenging you, per se, but just so you know, yeah, I do talk about this - all the time - and lose friends over it, too. (I'm in the process of losing one as we speak.) But I know - not believe but know - if we don't change the discussion, it'll never change.
Oligonicella,
I enjoy much or your writing, but you're very much a pompous ass at times because A) I do understand the issue and B) I discuss race where relevant and we simply disagree on relevance. You're just a guy, dude. You have nothing up on me despite your beliefs.
Thanks, and I know. But, yes, I do have one up on you because, if you know anything about my writing, you should know I don't do the "beliefs" thing. I only talk about what I know and nothing else.
Look, you guys (and gals) if you want to let the Al Sharptons, etc., dominate the dialogue, then, sure, keep it on their plane. They called you a racist. You try to defend it. They don't "believe" you. You get insulted. They react to your anger. Where does it end?
Let's try it another way:
I know you're not a racist. You know you're not a racist. You know I'm not a racist. O.K., so now it's you and me. Here comes Al - what effect is he going to have against us? None. His shit carries no weight. It's only if you or I decide we have to prove to him we're not racists (or Uncle Toms or whatever) that we give him what he wants - power over us based on his racial arguments.
I mean, I don't know the people you hang with, but I think I have to face this shit waaay more than you do, and they can't break me. Why can they break you? Because they're on TV? Well there are people defending your point of view on TV, too. There's NOBODY defending my position. Everybody is into push-back of this kind - trying to prove something racial to the other - but me. I say forget it:
Bust the people who do wrong and make it stick. There are, surely, enough white people to make that happen no matter what anybody says.
They just have to agree to make that happen.
I know it sounds simple, but it is.
And the white kids get screwed -- future conservatives in the making.
Hopefully the merchants at the fair will complain because business will be down. The pols will get the message and send out the message to the cops. The kids will be allowed back and the perps will get their heads busted if they try anything. That's what should happen.
But lately, it seems all of Wisconsin has adapted a garage mentality seeing only evil when it's spelled "Koch" or "Walker."
Hell, they'd prolly even bust Jimmy Walker if walked around down there.
William,
I'm extrapolating from my own incident with wilding. I think the youths--there are other descriptive words-- purposefully choose me not despite my size but because of it. Perhaps it was some kind of rite of passage in order to prove to themselves and each other that they were not intimidated by white people. I do think it was curious that the kid had to remark that he wasn't scared of me as he tried to hit me. I'm always pleased as punch to help people overcome their insecurities, but surely there are better ways for black people to overcome their feelings of anxiety around whites.
I had the same thing happen to me in San Francisco, except it was a white GIRL.
The rest of your post makes my point again;
Malcolm X, Franz Fanon - we are schooled in this shit. That's why we can't let it go. I mean, how much of this Malcolm X do we hear about? Hardly at all. It's the firebreather everyone focuses on, when that wasn't Malcolm but Malcolm under Elijah, so what are we talking about?
It's a trap, I tell you. The whole thing is a trap.
And I'll leave you with this:
If you don't think Martin Luther King faced these same challenges, then you know nothing about what he did. You've got to be bigger than the mundane, simple-minded arguments that people come up with for this shit. If you can't, then we all lose.
Crack - you are seriously expecting people suddenly attacked in their cars by THUGS to get out and attack the thugs back? With what?
Crack - you are seriously expecting people suddenly attacked in their cars by THUGS to get out and attack the thugs back? With what?
"Wait here in the car with the kids, honey. I'm gonna go round up a posse."
Cars are pretty big weapons themselves.
Just ask my grandma.
Well, not anymore.
Sometimes, walking with a cane, isn't a bad idea. (4 on 1, might be tough, though, which is the point of that kind of cowardice).
(When doing photography in a sketchy neighborhood, monopods are excellent tools, cheaper the better, the expensive ones are too light)
Cars stuck in traffic are useless as weapons.
Recommend every vehicle carry a loaded pistol in the glove box.
Cars are pretty big weapons themselves.
Seriously.
I never understood cowering in the car when attacked.
Lock the doors and gun it. Who cares if you use some of those people as speed bumps. They deserve it for attacking you.
Another reason to drive a big SUV instead of a little green weenie mobile.
Alex said...
Recommend every vehicle carry a loaded pistol in the glove box.
I don't know about your state,* but in my state that's a big no-no on two counts.
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*Which state is your state?
"the movie never explains how a few hundred intelligent apes overthrow the entire world"
Koch funding.
I've been pondering which "war" will heat up the fastest and burn the hottest: the class war, the generational war or the race war. Seems I might have my answer.
I think some of what's happening around the country with blacks striking out in coordinated acts of random, yet targeted, violence can be laid at the feet of out-sized expectations. Obama was billed as the literal "second coming," especially for African-Americans. Many black people, especially younger blacks, really believed everything was going to change and that they would be running the show now because one of their own was in the White House.
An acquaintance tells of a black employee who, after the election, told her that soon he wouldn't have to listen to her "no more." We all remember the woman who said that once Barack took over, she wouldn't have to worry about putting gas in her car or paying her mortgage. There was talk of the "Obama stash" that would be distributed among the people. I believe this type of thinking was a lot more prevalent than we'd like to think.
But none of that happened. They're not running the show, they're barely employed. Nobody is filling their gas tanks and they're losing their homes. Obama was a false messiah. As a group, blacks are less better off now, by a lot, than before he came along. However, the "code" requires that they not blame him which means someone else must bear the brunt. Who better than Whitey.
I have more than a little trepidation about what might happen in the inner cities (and beyond) if and, God willing, when Obama loses the election. I'm thinking folks living in urban areas might want to consider voting absentee and taking a short vacation during the week of Nov. 6.
TW: puisses, which is what we'll be if we stand for this shit
This behavior demonstrates the abysmal state of Wisconsin public education. Wisconsin's population (round numbers ) is 90% White and 6 % Black. Disproportionate Black populations in a handfull of cities may give residents a mistaken notion of the state's true demographics. Push comes to shove, 91 % is considerably more than 6%, kiddies. The state's White folks although very patient and certainly peace loving are also armed to the teeth. This should be a teachable moment of reflection.
I never understood cowering in the car when attacked.
We don't know everyone's circumstances, but here are some things to consider:
- People were unprepared. Being attacked is not a common experience. A guy has to factor in a lot of things real fast, and he's not well-trained for this.
- The guy is probably thinking first and foremost about the safety of his wife and kids. Unlocking the doors to go duke it out might not be prudent.
- Gunning the car might mean you just ram into the car two feet ahead of you.
- Running over a bunch of 15 year-old black kids is generally a no-no, unless your life is in imminent danger. Then you can probably expect to get the shit sued out of you. Probably end up in prison also if MSNBC has anything to say about it.
You've got to be bigger than the mundane, simple-minded arguments that people come up with for this shit. If you can't, then we all lose.
I agree with you there.
I make my point and say it out loud much more for the "benefit" of white liberals who are afraid to face reality. For the benefit of the whities who ran down to Jenna, La to defend black kids that nearly beat a white kid to death because someone hung a noose on a tree limb at school.
I understand the cruel symbolism of the noose, but the liberal whities happily send the message that beating others is OK as long as you have a race/gender/class based excuse. Liberal whitie keeps in power by instagating fights between the rest of us. Liberal whitie has no intention of actually making things better, because then liberal whitie would lose his tool to stay in power. Staying in power is the ultimate goal.
It can happen in Peoria
There is a subculture communication going on in the black teen life to beat up white people. Most people would like to ignore it as long as it happens to someone else. Politicans are afraid to point a finger at black racism. Preferring to give it a pass and passing the costs on to victims.
"Probably end up in prison.."
If REALLY a life threatening mob scene better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 as the saying goes...just claim you were under attack, felt your families life was in danger, tried to escape and that
the death(s) were an unfortunate by-product of your vehicular escape...all said with visible disconsolate, sorrowful mien..
I see that comment
It can happen in Peoria
Is a stormfront neo nazi one, so I doubt that it is accurate.
Another thing is how the wife reacts. My ex pretended she was tough, but she went into screaming panic mode in tight situations. A guy has to deal with that too.
I bet a lot of those people are having second thoughts on whatever their actions were.
Alex,
Crack - you are seriously expecting people suddenly attacked in their cars by THUGS to get out and attack the thugs back? With what?
No, Alex, I'm not "seriously expecting" anything of the kind (and, if I wasn't clear, I'm sorry) but, I'm saying, in the aftermath of this shit you've got to think and not just let your emotions over racial shit get the better of you. (Gutless gets it.) Many of you seem predisposed to finding a racial angle to this, or a political reason for it, when it could've been nothing more sophisticated than it seemed like a neat idea. (A bunch of wimpy liberal vics trapped in traffic? Let's do this,...) Who can say they keep up with, or even UNDERSTAND politics when many assumed Obama was going to pay their bills or free them from talking to employers? Shit, I know of one lady, and her daughter, who voted for Obama for nothing more important than they thought he was handsome. Factor that into your calculations, folks.
I still say crime is crime, and all this over-thinking of the subject is not helping us, racially or otherwise. Like DADvocate and SukieTawdry said (and DBQ suggests) we've got to stop being pussies about all this. We don't ask what motivates bears to attack. I don't think this calls for such hand-wringing either.
Just use your (non-racist) heads and make it stop.
Remember, in some odd way, this IS NOT racist.
If whites did this --- it'd be mentioned in prime time press conferences by the President bemoaning the increase in white racism.
Just remember that.
TOTALLY not racist.
Running over a bunch of 15 year-old black kids is generally a no-no, unless your life is in imminent danger.
Ask me if I give a shit about running over and killing a bunch of 15 year old black kids who are attacking me.
Then you can probably expect to get the shit sued out of you. Probably end up in prison also if MSNBC has anything to say about it.
Maybe. But I won't be dead, maimed, beat to a pulp, raped or whatever.
Squash a few of these animals like bugs. No loss to the human race.
Just use your (non-racist) heads and make it stop.
I'd nominate The Crack MC for president, except that he's too smart to want the job.
Many of you seem predisposed to finding a racial angle to this, or a political reason for it, when it could've been nothing more sophisticated than it seemed like a neat idea. (A bunch of wimpy liberal vics trapped in traffic? Let's do this,...)
It is a bit difficult NOT to see a racial angle when a group composed entirely of one 'race' purposely goes out of their way to attack a group of another 'race'.
I look at it as both a racial and human condition thing. The people who perform these acts (beating up random people because of race or because they are homeless bums that make easy targets or for gang points or just for fun) have lost the right to be called human beings.
They have also lost the right to be treated as human beings back.
Therefore I will consider them vermin and speed bumps if ever AGAIN in that situation. When I WAS in that situation, attacked in my car in a wrong turn in the wrong neighborhood, I did use my car as a means of escape and as a weapon. I have no idea what happened to the three guys who were attacking me (actually my car with clubs and a tire iron).......and further more.....I don't give a shit.
"We exited at the Schlinger and 84th exit, and we walked south about a block, and then went up and got our car, came back up and around down Schlinger. When we made a left hand turn, we were stopped in traffic. I looked toward the bridge, right before you get on the freeway, and all I saw was a road full of black kids, jumping over people's cars, jumping on people's hoods, running over the top of them."
Eric then claimed that he saw hundreds of young black people coming down a sidewalk.
"I saw them grab this white kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face."
Then, Eric talked about trying to get out of the car to help the victim.
"My wife pulled me back in because she didn't want me to get hit. Thankfully, there was surprising a lady that was in the car in front of me that jumped out of the car real quick and went over there to try to put her body around the kid so they couldn't see he was laying there and, obviously, defenseless. Her husband, or whoever was in the car, was screaming at her to get back into the car. She ended up going back into the car. These black kids grabbed this kid off the ground again, and pulled him up over the curb, onto the sidewalk and threw him into the bushes like he was a piece of garbage."
damikesc,
Remember, in some odd way, this IS NOT racist.
Jesus, you guys can be difficult. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying, in 2011, why does it matter to focus on race in this crime or any other? Let's say you're right - every stinking one of those kids was hyped up on racial hatred - what's it change?
Whites are still 90% of the population and you've still got a bunch of criminals to throw in jail.
The problem is the unwillingness to deliver stiff jail sentences - probably based on some sympathetic race story - not why the kids did it. because the reason the kids did it is, more than anything else, they thought they could get away with it.
murgatroyd666,
I'd nominate The Crack MC for president, except that he's too smart to want the job.
You've got that right. But I do want to be an artist, and spokesman, for another way, and a donation to my blog is a way to assist me in getting there, and thank you very much ahead of time.
"One woman, a Marquette University employee, had left the fair with a friend. She said they had just turned onto S. 84th St., across the street from the fair and were headed north toward I-94 when they saw young black youths running between cars on the street.
"Then groups of kids began surging, all running at cars," she said. "Some kids ran up on the hood of the car in front of us, bounced on it and jumped off. That guy looked like he got out of the car. When he came back his face was bloody."
She said she wasn't sure if the man was able to get medical attention. "I saw somebody in the car with cellphones, probably calling police."
"It was scary and it was confusing," she added. "We didn't know what was happening. We didn't see any law enforcement officer."
She said she and her friend were concerned that somebody would try to break into their car. "There were so many people coming at you. Yes, it was scary."
Another woman said she and her boyfriend were leaving the fair on a motorcycle about 11:30 p.m. Thursday when she saw a "mob of black teens picking on a very tall white teen" around S. 84th St. and W. Greenfield Ave.
"I stated to my boyfriend that there is going to be problems over there and I hope the cops are watching this and within seconds I saw the white teen attempting to punch his way out of a circle of black teens," the woman said in an e-mail to the newspaper. "My heart just fell for him. As we turned, I saw security at the entrance to the State Fair and I yelled get over there! They are beating up a kid! We turned, as we went toward the expressway we then had to witness the police involved in multiple stops and incidents down 84th."
"On Friday, police from three jurisdictions - West Allis, Milwaukee and Wisconsin State Fair - were piecing together a series of incidents late Thursday night at the fair in which large groups of youths rampaged through the midway and outside the grounds after closing. At least 24 were arrested, and seven officers were hurt, a State Fair official said.
Tom Struebing, chief of the State Fair Police, said two of the seven injured officers were hospitalized. One was hit in the face with an improvised weapon; the other suffered a concussion.
Struebing said the fights that broke out in the midway area involved black youths fighting other black youths. He said those fights were not racially motivated.
The incidents at the fair also caused confusion among police agencies. Anne E. Schwartz, the Milwaukee police spokeswoman, said West Allis police did not request mutual aid from the Milwaukee Police Department.
Schwartz said Milwaukee police responded to four incidents connected to the fair incidents, but those came from citizens calling police directly. She said one person was arrested by Milwaukee police on a warrant.
Officials could not say what started what witnesses said was a series of racially charged incidents that apparently began as early as 7 p.m. in the midway. The midway is located just east of the Pettit National Ice Center and adjacent to the Hank Aaron State Trail.
Milwaukee police confirmed there were assaults outside the fair as the fair was closing down. The fair closes at 11 p.m.
A State Fair official said most of those arrested were cited for disorderly conduct."
I am not naive about race. I lived in Newark, NJ for years and trust me...I recognize bad things happen. But you cannot make assumptions purely on race. You have to pay attention to behavior. If you are paying attention, you generally know in advance when something bad is about to go down.
I am surprised that there would be criminal attacks in Wisconsin without an overwhelming police response. Especially at the State Fair. But then again, given how screwed up Wisconsin politics have been lately, maybe I should not be surprised.
Carol_Herman said...
At Disney, you never have to look over your shoulder.
8/5/11 3:36 PM
My wife was in Disney World with the kids and I was going to meet her there a couple of days later. She lost her purse with credit cards, cash, camera, etc. Pretty shitty.
It was turned in and returned to her hotel room within a few hours. Everything was there.
Sixty Grit,
It is stupid to suggest that we not focus on race - the government sure is. Do you think the Duke lacrosse players were selected for prosecution for any reason other than the fact that they were white?
Back in the day, when I started getting bussed to white schools, there were a certain group of black kids who occupied a certain hallway and did dirt. They'd fuck with anybody foolish enough not to know to go where they were. Beat kids up, take their money, whatever.
Did it matter that many, if not most, of their victims were blacks who thought they were O.K. because, as fellow blacks, they thought they were safe? Or was the important thing that, whenever a kid became determined to do something about the problem and go to the authorities, the criminals would either charm those in charge - or give them a sob story - and, the very next day, be right back in the hallway again?
Race is stupid - and it cuts any way you can mold it.
BTW - if you can't donate to my blog, I'd appreciate if you'd hit the "like" button for Facebook.
I did get run over by some 80 year old on a scooter at Disney World. She was a maniac! So you do have to look over your shoulder for that risk.
And yeah, Sixty, there could be another reason why the Duke LaCross boys were prosecuted:
The prosecutor was a dumb liberal.
Crack - "I'm saying, in 2011, why does it matter to focus on race in this crime or any other?"
Because if it is a violent cultural tendency of one race that targets random people purely on their own race, it is a threat to all of that race.
"And Let's say you're right - every stinking one of those kids was hyped up on racial hatred - what's it change?"
It changes because the criminal justice system is remarkably ill-equipped to do mass arrests of hundreds of rampaging assaulters. Cops won't mind busting scores...But the usual thing is once it is in the hands of lawyers - they start thinking how expensive it will be, all the free lawyers for the thugs that will have to be located, and how irritated senior judges and other higher up lawyers will be if they "ensnarl the majestic civilian justice system " with 100s of cases.
So most of these arrestees are let go, never prosecuted.
"Whites are still 90% of the population and you've still got a bunch of criminals to throw in jail."
Impossible when it gets into hundreds of thugs flash mobbing department store or burning cars in Paris or beating up and robbing anyone with white skin the mobs can find.
"The problem is the unwillingness to deliver stiff jail sentences - probably based on some sympathetic race story - not why the kids did it. because the reason the kids did it is, more than anything else, they thought they could get away with it."
Nope, it is literally true that there is safety in numbers when it comes to breaking the law. The law can't handle it, so shrinks from mass prosecutions. Which is exactly why this sort of behavior that targets people on their race, or in other lands, religion, sex orientation, class is so dangerous. It is something that can be the start of a war. Because the next step past "let the lawyers and school administrators straighten things out" - and seeing those "authorities" throw their hands up in the air and give the perps a pass - is forming self-protection armed gangs and militias.
Want to stop hundreds of black thugs from brutalizing whites? Do what the hispanics have done in California and Texas and Florida to end it being directed on them.
(HInt: It does not involve the work of cops, lawyers, hand-wringing liberals seeking 'better understanding of the root causes of black on hispanic violence'. It does not involve dueling ACLU lawyers up against someone who is getting their ticket punched in a DA's office before politics or a law firm offer power and riches. Nor a wise judge or pack of unemployed dummies called a jury. Nor jailing LA blacks who once saw hispanic newcomers as easy, weak targets.)
A State Fair official said most of those arrested were cited for disorderly conduct."
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With charges completely dismissed likely before the stitches are removed from their victims, or the estimates on how much they will have to pay for car damage on their deductable insurance coverage is known.
There is one party in this country fomenting racial hatred, Democrats. The people perpitrating this violence feel justified because their Democrat leaders told them they were victims of the evil racist Republicans. So yes Crack, racism racism racism. It is always evil. And those who promote and practice it need to be called on it loudly and continuously. Unfortunately the Press is dominated by Democrats and they won't play it straight.
You’ve Got To Be Against All The Right Things
Put them down.
As long as I have been alive, there have been wilding incidents where a group of black kids commit acts of violence against whites. Sometimes it's for robbery, but mostly it's for the sport. Think back to that Diana Ross concert in Central Park a generation ago....For all the talk of concealed weapons and using your car as a blunt instrutment, the way most people choose to handle the problem is by avoiding places where young black people congregate. If that involves moving out of town, so be it..... When the whites move out, blacks do not prosper. Look at Detroit and Newark. First the whites. Then the middle class blacks. Then everyone with feet.....What is disheartening is that during the long slide of Detroit and Newark into rubble, there were no black voices asking about what was going wrong. Coleman Young and Sharpe James kept getting re-elected and with increasing margins.....Coleman Young ran against police brutality. During his first term, a cop was convicted of first degree murder for hitting someone with such force during an altercation that that person died. The cops then got passive aggressive and remained in their cars as much as possible. Coleman Young had a great triumph over police brutality, but against crime not so much. Crime is a greater cause of poverty than poverty is a cause of crime. People who have to make a living are much more afraid of criminals than of cops. This is true of black people although they don't like to admit it....Anyway Newark and Detroit are zombie cities. I put a lot of the blame on black crime and the black politicians who thought that police brutality was a bigger problem than crime. End of rant.
Glenn Reynolds gets it:
AFTER YESTERDAY’S MOB VIOLENCE a new “youth policy” at the Wisconsin State Fair: “On Friday afternoon, Mayor Tom Barrett announced an increase in police presence at community events planned for the week. He said there would be no tolerance for violence at festivals and that perpetrators will be prosecuted — regardless of race.” Well, that’s how it’s supposed to work, right?
William,
I put a lot of the blame on black crime and the black politicians who thought that police brutality was a bigger problem than crime.
And I put the blame on Americans forgetting what that title means. We seem to forget a lot these days, like how race doesn't matter - until it's all-important, all of a sudden.
I think some of you need to ask what your core convictions are.
Crack - I think we can agree that criminals should be harshly punished. Period.
TO: SUKIE TAWDRY @6:06 PM
I was here, in LA, during the Rodney King Riots. The first victims were the Koreans. Because they opened stores in their neighborhoods. Many didn't even carry insurance. And, they thought when they called the police, the police would come. And, didn't.
Then, the guns came out. Neighborhoods got patrolled. And, the Korean businesses that were left put snipers on their roofs.
Back in those days I drove a Honda Civic. Which was at the shop. On Walnut. Above Pasadena City College. Which is on Colorado.
Walnut, itself, is one of those blocks that seem to have one garage after another. And, all were shut down. The shop my car was at had the owners on the roof. With guns. Mostly, it was quiet.
But on Day #3 a group of Blacks, from a "section of Pasadena" ... began to form up on Walnut. They seemed to have a leader. And, at a point the group began marching forward. (The streets were totally empty of traffic.)
And, the owner took aim. Shot once. Directly aimed at the toe of the leader. You never saw a group of people disband so quickly! Running backwards. And, also turning and running.
END. OF. PROBLEM.
Here, where I live? One gun shot rang out. Because, here, the gun cabinets got unlocked.
NO. NEED. TO. WAIT. FOR. THE. POLICE!
The riots blew themselves out on Day #4.
Back in 1991.
Some things don't change.
Oh, Crack. Malcolm X was illiterate. I still have the paperback. It was called an autobiography. But it was ghosted. You didn't know?
Up at Freepers I saw an article that said Governor Walker called out the State Troopers. Who are also now patrolling the Fair Grounds.
I'd bet there's no safer place to be. For everybody!
Let me know if I'm wrong.
The way this article describes it the mob was what stopped traffic to begin with.
The article is by someone who had his car window open. He didn't roll it up because he didn't want to look racist. A kid punched him in the side of the head through his window. He says he was afraid that his wife would be attacked next. He was able to drive around the car in front of him and get to the freeway.
Their reaction to it all was, "I'm white, and I know I can't relate to whatever it is that incited and enraged those kids. But our conversation on the way home was that we wished we could have taken the kid who hit me home with us and shown him care, concern and support."
If that really was their discussion on the way home, I think they are fooling themselves.
But our conversation on the way home was that we wished we could have taken the kid who hit me home with us and shown him care, concern and support."
What a dumbass. The Ape would have threatened to kill both of you unless you "helped" him rape your wife up the ass. Then he would have killed her in front of you, leaving you alive as a whimpering gimp for the rest of your life.
You don't bring rabid dogs into your home. You put them down.
I'm sorry my words were misunderstood.
I don't personally think this behavior is due to race/genetics/skin-color, rather I'm asking what solution is being sought by those who are saying/implying it is.
For example, Fen's comment at 8/5/11 8:49 AM makes it pretty clear that s/he doesn't think it is a cultural thing (unless "apes" are a culture rather than a whole different species.) There are others who are making the same kind of argument, so I'm curious as to what solutions they beleive should be applied.
It's easy to talk about what they wish they had done after it's too late to actually do it. Oh, wait, they could have turned around and looked for him or for another member of the mob to show their care, concern and support to. And yet they drove home. I'm sure an article in the paper showing how much they care is just as good. Safer anyway.
I'm sure the kid is a regular reader of the paper and will feel relief that he has been forgiven and will rejoice at the compassion of his victim.
CX to last post -
Fen's comments at 8/6/11 12:29 AM makes it pretty clear what the proposed solution is.
Fen
The Ape would have threatened to kill both of you unless you "helped" him rape your wife up the ass.
Oh shut up. All you're proving is that somebody should be putting a foot up your ass.
That said, May Beth's article does sound like what I envisioned - this is less a race issue than one of Wisconsin being filled with easy marks. They're obviously too stupid to protect themselves. Actually, I see a large portion of this country, now, as too dumb to do so, which is why we're in the financial trouble we're in. We've done a number on ourselves.
This is a critical thinking issue more than anything else. I mean, look at Fen, he's gone right over the deep end. A bunch of people have. They can't sort up from down. That's the problem. For many of you, there's no center holding anything together and you don't know where to find it.
We are in trouble, people.
Its simple, Purple. The Nanny-state has created a generation of uncivilized animals. Apes.
A minor example that proves the point: tonight at the 7-11, a black kid at the checkout counter was short 25 cents. He asked my wife if she had any change. She gave him a quarter. Turns out his miscounted - he only needed 16 cents. Do you think he handed the change back to her? Yes, I know thats a trivial example, but it goes to the larger point.
Here's a way to test it - stand outside a conveniene store and watch people as they go in. Note how many young blacks open the door for others compared to everyone else.
Crack: Oh shut up.
Fuck off. I'm not the one targeting people because of their skin color.
Crack: less a race issue than one of Wisconsin being filled with easy marks
Riiiight. Her skirt was too short, so she had it coming...
Fen said...
Crack: Oh shut up.
Fuck off. I'm not the one targeting people because of their skin color.
No, you're the one who shows your true colors under duress, justifying blacks not liking you to begin with.
Just shut up.
The Crack Emcee --
"Thanks, and I know. But, yes, I do have one up on you because..."
No, you do not, you only think you do.
I guess the people in philadelphia are easy marks too?
Tell a women you'll turn her in to CPS for spanking her child in public, and the Apes come out with semiautos to shoot up the bus.
But lets all pretend it has nothing to do with the failures of black culture...
The beliefs thing was about your believing you have the right answers and others don't Crack, not New Age or such. Good example of your skewing things because of your beliefs.
Crack: justifying blacks not liking you to begin with.
Wouldn't know. I was threatened with a gun just for looking at one (and all I was trying to do was predict which direction he was moving so I could walk around him).
Uncivilized animals. Apes.
Fen,
Lets all pretend it has nothing to do with the failures of black culture...
And what's any of that got to do with anyone being an Ape, you idiot?
You're as big a cancer to this country as you say they are. Shit, when it comes to this country's racial history, you're the original problem. The cause of the whole thing. All the problems are because of the likes of you.
Just shut up.
All the problems are because of the likes of you.
Nope. I served in the Marines alongside blacks without hardly noticing. Skin color was as irrelevant as hair color. Most my Senior NCOs and Officers were black, and I consistently got 4.6/4.7 pro/con from them.
Never had any issue with blacks until I started to run into the ghetto trash in DC.
The problems are because of people like you making excuses for animals.
Oligonicella,
The beliefs thing was about your believing you have the right answers and others don't Crack, not New Age or such. Good example of your skewing things because of your beliefs.
No, it's the difference between delusion and not. I don't adhere to beliefs. You can keep insisting I do, but all that's going to result in is me ignoring you.
Your choice.
Fen,
The problems are because of people like you making excuses for animals.
And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the race problem in a nutshell.
Signed,
The Ape.
I'm outta here,...
The Crack Emcee said...
"I don't adhere to beliefs. You can keep insisting I do, but all that's going to result in is me ignoring you."
Dude, you call people ignorant assholes, you lock your caps to tele-scream at them, you call them EVIL, and on and on.
You certainly do have a set of beliefs. One is that New Age philosophy is one of the biggest evils of our time.
So don't fucking play games about the word belief.
purplepenguin wrote: I don't personally think this behavior is due to race/genetics/skin-color, rather I'm asking what solution is being sought by those who are saying/implying it is.
Well you tacitly deny that race has much to do with it without supplying a motive yourself. What's your diagnosis and your solution?
I'm inclined to believe it is class resentment enabled by race: rich/poor thermodynamics & racial dynamics.
Solution? Blame and shame the Alinskyite stokers of this toxic mixture-those of all races and creeds, starting at the topmost level in DC.
Isolate the problem.
the answer, according to the ultra-liberal, asian mayor of oakland, ca, to this current wave of violence-for-the-fun-of-it being perpetrated by young blacks is to give them all free basketballs....i'm not kidding.
Crack,
What you say sounds good until you look at what really happens. First you have the lawyers named to take care of the black yoots. Then you have the demand for a jury trial followed by the demand for a racially balanced jury. Then you have all the blacks who will not support finding the black yoots guilty because they feel that it is society that is at fault so the yoots get away with it and get released. Rinse and repeat over and over and over again. The upshot is that until you have the black community in sync with your ideas of punishing the crime severely and consistently nothing will improve.
Crack, your knowledge of the Duke lacrosse case is very limited. I won't bother to try and educate you - it's all available elsewhere. But it was driven by black racism against whites, liberal democrats, feminists and plenty of communist professors. Nifong played the blacks in Durham like a fiddle - it's real easy if you know how to do it.
Black youths wilding is a rite of passage. The black community sees it that way, and imposes mild misdemeanor punishments, if any.
We cannot expect it to stop until the police force we pay utilizes police force.
Then the judges must apply fair justice. The habit has been to excuse it with little punishment.
But lawlessness always starts at the top and flows down. President, Governor, Mayor, Police Chief.
If those men/women will excuse black teenage wilding, then we must never go down into the turf of the black communities.
But that approval of lawlessness is what surrenders poor but honest blacks, who cannot move out, to a hell on earth.
First you have the lawyers named to take care of the black yoots. Then you have the demand for a jury trial followed by the demand for a racially balanced jury. Then you have all the blacks who will not support finding the black yoots guilty because they feel that it is society that is at fault so the yoots get away with it and get released.
This is truer than you may think. A relative is a prosecutor in a large southern city that is 60% black. She's a certifiable genius, top of her law school. Convictions are hard to come by. Yet, she was telling me how a defense attorney was whining one day how he lost a case. His first criminal case loss in a couple of years.
Race riots at the Wisconsin State Fair
Hot Air
Crack's point about dealing with it is true - crimes were committed and should be prosecuted.
But how do we get the fastest, most effective change of behavior to these racially-motivated wildings that law-breaking black youth and black young adults are increasingly committing in Mid-West to East Coast America?
With jail time currently insufficient to change behavior, why not public beatings? Beatings would quickly communicate humiliation, shame, and, if done effectively, create a continued climate of fear of wrongdoing. Added to a shorter but still required incarceration, beatings would put a quicker stop to the growing black wildings gang mentality. Beating the guilty is really the only appropriate punishment for someone involved in the deliberate physical beating of an innocent human being. Of course there will be some who would use a personal beating to pump a rap career, but most young blacks would definitely turn away from the possibility of such punishment. That is what history has repeatedly shown to be true. Simply put, beatings work on black Americans.
So, the question is: how many more white and other non-black Americans are you willing to let be beaten by unpunished black youth? What number of innocent victims should be permanently disabled, scarred and killed because they are not black before reaching your indignation threshhold?
/via Gateway Pundit
About 100 teenagers swarmed from a McDonald’s to Trader Joe’s to a new Target store during a riot in East Liberty on Sunday, police said.
Police said the trouble started at Mellon Park, where Mount Ararat Baptist Church had just wrapped up its community picnic.
...When reporter Dave Bondy arrived at the scene, police were everywhere. At least a dozen officers were ordering hundreds of teenagers to leave Penn Avenue.
A group of juveniles ran into Target and, according to an employee, they caused a mess in the toy aisle.
“They came in Target, they were throwing chairs, everybody went running,” said witness Shauny Bowe.
“Everybody was just running everywhere,” said Bowe. “They went to McDonald’s, and they told people to get out, cussing and swearing. They were about to taze people. I was scared for my life.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/
And of course, no need to guess the race of the rioting teenagers...
To bad 10 or 15 people being attacked didn't pull out pistols with 19 round magazines, and shoot the shit out of these savages?
Teen Mob Hits Walgreens On The Mag Mile
Chicago - "Some 50 young people barged into a Walgreens at Michigan and Chicago on the Magnificent Mile on Tuesday afternoon. They took bottled drinks and sandwiches off the shelves, then ran off, CBS 2′s Suzanne Le Mignot reports.
The Mag Mile earlier this year was hit by similar mobs of young thieves. Attacks on commuters and bicyclists have become violent, and police have stepped up patrols"
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/23/teen-mob-hits-walgreens-off-the-mag-mile-steals/
Peorians living in fear
eye-witness account from Paul Wilkinson, president of the Altamont Park Neighborhood Association:
"Tonight, around 11 p.m., a group of at least 60-70 African American youth marched down one of the side streets (W. Thrush) to the 4 lane main drag (Sheridan). They were yelling threats to white residents. Things such as we need to kill alll the white people around here.
They were physically intimidating anyone calling for help from the police. They were surrounding cars. were breaking out among them. They were rushing residents who looked out their doors, going on to porches, yelling threats to people calling the police for help.
Cars were doing U turns on the streets just to avoid the mob, mostly male.
Residents are very shaken, both black and white alike. This is the fifth large mob action in about a month with smaller groups of 10-12 are out threatening children and adults a few evenings a week or later into the night. The times vary, even occuring during the day. ...Residents were advised to simply keep inside and to lock their doors. In other words buckle down, it’s not even safe to sit on your porch or go into your yards."
http://peoriachronicle.com/2011/06/25/peorians-living-in-fear/
If this were a drinking game ("guess that perp"), we'd all be in the ICU by now.
Mary Beth: It's easy to talk about what they wish they had done after it's too late to actually do it. Oh, wait, they could have turned around and looked for him or for another member of the mob to show their care, concern and support to. And yet they drove home. I'm sure an article in the paper showing how much they care is just as good. Safer anyway.
Noonan wrote about this phenom with libs:
"Once about 10 years ago there was a story--you might have read it in your local tabloid, or a supermarket tabloid like the National Enquirer--about an American man and woman who were on their honeymoon in Australia or New Zealand. They were swimming in the ocean, the water chest-high. From nowhere came a shark. The shark went straight for the woman, opened its jaws. Do you know what the man did? He punched the shark in the head. He punched it and punched it again. He did not do brilliant commentary on the shark, he did not share his sensitive feelings about the shark, he did not make wry observations about the shark, he punched the shark in the head. So the shark let go of his wife and went straight for him. And it killed him. The wife survived to tell the story of what her husband had done."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122451174798650085.html
Open carry could've prevented this.
Devil in the details but yes, I'd bet that if every time a mob formed and started wilding, somebody appeared with a light machine gun and started firing till the mob dispersed, mobs would stop forming.
That's okay, right, Cracky? Not race-based? If it makes you feel better I am happy to gun down violent white, Hispanic or Asian mobs too, should they occur.
I'm pretty much anti-riot-ist.
"Two police cars, a bus and several shops were attacked and set ablaze in north London on Saturday night as violence and looting erupted following a protest demanding "justice" over a fatal police shooting."
On Saturday night, rioters broke through police ranks and attempted to storm Tottenham's police station, pelting officers with bricks, bottles and eggs. As a police helicopter flew over Tottenham High Road, youths in masks and hoods added combustible material to two burned out police cars, included a bundle of documents and an awning ripped down from one of the shops. Some attempted to persuade the rioters to disperse, one young man shouting: "Go home now people."
But others filled bottles with petrol to throw at the police lines. Many lined up with makeshift weapons including metal bars and baseball bats to confront the line of police, but others seemed more interested in looting. At one stage a safe was dragged out of a bookmakers, while others were seen with a television set and an electric guitar. Several arrived with shopping trollies to take away what they had stolen."
The Guardian.UK
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