"When so many people and equipment were put into it, the boat started to take on water, so that the motor stopped"...
July 24, 2011
"Police said it took them an hour from when they were first alerted to stop the massacre..."
"An inadequate boat and a decision to await a special armed unit from Oslo, 45 km (28 miles) away, delayed the response."
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There are times when ridiculous just ain't funny. This was one of those times.
When every second counts the police are only minutes away.
God bless the Second Amendment.
Norway is a pacified nation. They never thought this would happen to them, therefore their ability to respond to such slaughter is something they cannot fathom. They will mourn, they will weep, and when we expect them to become angry, they will not. Reports indicated from kids that survived on the island were that they tried to talk to the shooter and then he shot them anyway. He shot them as they tried to flee in the water. Let's see if Norway can talk themselves into realizing they live in a dangerous world with people that want to kill them. Don't worry, the religion of peace will want it's cut soon too.
Passing with virtually no comment is the fact that Norwegians are entirely disarmed. If this sicko had tried that in Texas, he wouldn't have fired more than three shots, as long as he wasn't on an Army base.
The Norwegians have been cool with letting somebody else defend them since 1945.
Unfortunately, 3 Commando Brigade and the 1st Ranger Battalion had previous commitments.
Trooper York said...
God bless the Second Amendment.
Not to mention Samuel Colt and Henry Deringer, who made personal defense affordable
The mass murder of the sons and daughters of political and social leaders–this facet is being ignored by the mainstream press. This Norwegian’s act was not at all a copy of the Oklahoma bombing or the Virginia shootings. This mass murder is a political act quite different from the acts it is being compared to because of its precise focus on members of the elite class and no others.
Even the fact that the act took place on an island that nobody BUT the elite could access (not even the police) is significant. It shows that someone can attack the elite precisely in the places where common people cannot go and so common people will not be hurt. Such an approach to terrorism is less likely to alienate common people once they understand they won’t be hurt by it.
With regard to the bombing, the same terrorist also took care and KNEW, because he was Norwegian, that ordinary workers would already be out of the buildings he bombed because his attack was after 3:00 p.m. and the workers left at 3:00 p.m.
These facts indicate to a person who knows military strategy that the terrorist sees himself engaged in guerilla war, not terrorism.
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But we need to be more like the Eurotrash motherfuckers, right? Our beloved president says so.
And Troop, in this case the police were hours away. As I, and others, have pointed out, a shooting rampage can only go on in gun-free zones, whether that is a building or an entire nation, anyone who goes into such a place should be aware they are like fish in a barrel to an armed nut.
WV: brack - PBUH!
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But they have gov't-provided healthcare, so it's all good
The Norwegians do not go armed in daily life anymore, haven't for 7-800 years, but they are not "entirely disarmed."
However, this shooter picked a "gun free zone" that would have been so anywhere, even in Texas. No one allows CCW at kids' summer camps.
They teach "Boycott Israel" and demand recognition of a Palestinian state at summer camp?
There are lots of Norwegians in Wisconsin.
My mom is Norwegian.
She is over there right now meeting her relatives.
She is going to some glass company.
Then off to fjords.
tits, bouncing in the wind.
"The Norwegians have been cool with letting somebody else defend them since 1945."
I also take exception to that statement. Norway has been an active member of NATO since its inception and still is. Which is why they are in trouble with jihadists now that the U.S also require NATO's services in areas well removed from the North Atlantic.
FedkaTheConvict said...
They teach "Boycott Israel" and demand recognition of a Palestinian state at summer camp?
And they got a little taste of what it's like to be an Israeli. Will they learn? Fuck no.
What those kids needed were heroes, not some police officers.
Someone pointed out yesterday that excessively long response times have occurred here as well. I think Columbine was one example.
Norwegian women, in Norway are tall, blonde and have big tits.
Norwegian women, excluding my mom, in Wisconsin, are just fat.
I saw a fatty Wisconsin lady at the store and she had a tanky on. Her fat was flying all over the place. Her arms had huge deposits of fatty fat and had many layers and contours and folds....of fat.
She purchased two "bun" candy bars.
She was fucking fat.
A camp gathering with 650 people and not even one park ranger with a sidearm?
A country with so many waterways but no coast guard available? Just keystone kops piling into a tiny boat?
One would hope that a few brave adults might band to gether to rush the gunman, but the passivity does seem built-in.
Farm from being distracted by the possibility of jihadi-style terrorism, Norway seems unprepared for any terrorism at all. Unprotected government centers?
I have never seen more fattys than I have seen in Wisconsin.
The fattys are everywhere.
You can't tell where the chin ends and their neck starts and their stomach begins and ends and their legs start. It is all just mushed together in one huge fat cluster.
There is this fatty guy at the gym and he is fucking huge. I try not to look at him but he is walking around naked after "swimming". The man is unable to see his dicky because of the huge swath of fat surrounding his mid sections.
Wisconsin is a Fat Fuckfest.
Fattys.
At Oslo cathedral, Britt Aanes, a priest aged 42 said the fact that Breivik was Norwegian had affected people deeply.
"In one way, I think it was good that it was not a Muslim terrorist group behind this," she said. It pointed up the complexity of immigration and inter-religious issues for Norwegians, "a small and privileged people," she said.
"We must open our eyes and not simply think that we can keep all this wealth to ourselves."
The Jihadists are laughing. Fools.
Apparently, the TV news helicopters got to that island before the police did.
Astonishing.
The fatty women' had a tanky on and her bra and tit were hanging out but not in a good way. There were flies buzzing around her too.
I want perky hard tits that stand straight up and are patriotic.
Not some disillusioned tit that hangs down and is depressed and has no goals or incentive in life.
Saggy tits...bad
Pointy tits...good
At least they didn't stand around to watch the killing. Unlike those firemen and police in California watching a man drown because they were not allowed (by law, by union rules?) to save a drowning man while they're in uniform.
Apparently, the TV news helicopters got to that island before the police did.
Astonishing.
Yeah. Interesting, that. Meanwhile, the cops are flailing around in a swamped boat.
Fucking brilliant.
"LilEvie said...
Far from being distracted by the possibility of jihadi-style terrorism, Norway seems unprepared for any terrorism at all."
Why would the jihadists attack Norway? Alll they have to do is breed, and wait. Norway will give them the country:
"We must open our eyes and not simply think that we can keep all this wealth to ourselves."
However, this shooter picked a "gun free zone" that would have been so anywhere, even in Texas. No one allows CCW at kids' summer camps.
Depends on the camp. A Boy Scout camp would have had rifles at the range, and each Scout would have had one knife at the very least. Many of the older Scouts would have hunting/skinning knives, and most of them would know how to handle them, having hunted themselves. Many of the Scoutmasters would have been current or ex-military.
Regardless of the type of camp, this would have not gone down this way in the US without some serious resistance from older campers and adults.
We're not a nation of sheep waiting to be led to the slaughter.
You're lucky they got there 90 minutes after the first phone call! Where, pray tell, did the Norwegians ever expect ANYTHING AT ALL from their police force?
Now. Onward. To explain the Norwegian "love affair" with blaming Christian Fundamentalists. You know why? Because they are friends of Israel. You don't need another reason.
Let alone the fucking peace prize! Because none of it matters!
It's just all SPIN!
Created by the left. To harm the right. Hardly successful. Hardly at all.
While Israelis learned all they needed to know at Lillihammer! Why go there?
While? Who knows? It's possible some in Oslo no longer want to be considered a sheep ... walking with other sheeple. Their cafes? You know, they can plaster all the Nobel Peace Prizes they want on their walls.
Has nothing to do with Cristianity! Let alone anything to do with America!
Tel Aviv learned the hard way not to be a soft target. While Norway? They awarded Arafat one of their stinking peace prizes. Along with a million dollars.
They stand proud? Who am I to tell them "no, no?" If, on the other hand, there's no one in Oslo who has learned how to read a clock, to tell the time of day ... I also don't care one whit.
They're on their own. Does this require a flashlight and a roadmap for them to find their ass cracks?
You know, I also think ... considering how this madman thought this whole thing through ... that at some point ... on Utoya ... he became aware that the get-away boat didn't show up!
Now, why is that?
Quite a few Norwegians in little Star Prairie. Try pulling a shooting spree around here like that, and one of them will blow your fucking brains out. Looks like the brave Norwegians left a long time ago.
Wouldn't have mattered if there were police on the island. Norwegian police are all unarmed.
"We must open our eyes and not simply think that we can keep all this wealth to ourselves."
I guess they think they can buy some immunity. Dane geld goes home to roost.
Titus, you lead a sheltered life. Wisconsin is only average for fatness. You need to visit Arkansas or Mississippi to see the cutting edge of large people.
No rack of .22s or even archery gear at this camp?
Oslo is the city where the Israeli tennis team was required to play indoors and with no spectators during the David Cup series a coupe of years ago.
This sort of thing will happen again in Europe as the politicians have all sided with the Muslims and resistance to immigration will come from fringe groups like this. There is a similar outfit called the English Defense League.
My grandparents come from Norway and I have traveled though the country and gone to their war memorial museum where I saw documentation of their resistance during WW11, so I do not find it easy to poke fun at them for this tragedy. One thing to be learned by this was summed up in the article as: ..... a reminder that white far-right extremism is also a major and possibly growing threat," said James Brandon, research head at London's Quilliam think-tank.
And here in Texas with over 500,000 CHL (concealed handgun license) holders I would hope a few of them shot the so-n-so dead when he started shooting people.
But the SWAT response over there is typical for all SWAT. They wait till the shooting stops and then go on.
Well that's ok here in Texas, cause the shooting may very well stop when a good guy (or gal) shoots the murdering creep dead!
Chef Mojo said...
...
add
hachets and axes to your mix.
Ever seen a troop camp without multiple axes?
Norse guys used to terrorize the Hemisphere with nothing but axes ")
This was kids' summer camp for children of the Labor Party brass.
Would there be .22's at summer camp for the children of the Democratic Farmer-Labor Party of Minnesota?
At any camp whatsoever in the NYC or DC neighborhoods?
No rack of .22s or even archery gear at this camp?
Not that kind of camp.
This was political indoctrination camp.
So, it wasn't a camp camp, see?
No fun stuff like rifles, archery or anything else that goes boom or is pointy or has an edge.
Jeez. Even the church camps I went to as a kid - in addition to Scout camps - had rifle ranges, archery and education in knife skills. The whole idea was to be outdoors where you might actually need those skills.
You can lead a Norwegian to a disaster, but you cannot get a Norwegian to act in haste.
Attacking a killer can be an unsafe act. Get clearance and plans in place before acting.
Bureaucracy is life, say the government Death Panelists.
The Marines say, "Do you want to live forever", and then they attack with overwhelming firepower.
The planning delay is never a valid excuse to wait. You should have already planned for the enemy that you will face.
... the millionaire and his wife...
@The Drill SGT:
add
hachets and axes to your mix.
Ever seen a troop camp without multiple axes?
D'oh!
Oh, hell yeah.
Hagar said...
"The Norwegians have been cool with letting somebody else defend them since 1945."
I also take exception to that statement. Norway has been an active member of NATO since its inception and still is. Which is why they are in trouble with jihadists now that the U.S also require NATO's services in areas well removed from the North Atlantic.
Oh, for Christ's sake, what drivel.
The Norges were letting the Muzzlims get away with murder (literally) long before 9/11. And Norway's "we're for show, not for go" military would be able to defend the country for how long without the US and Britain backing them up?
Norway voluntarily deployed troops to A-stan. The idea this happened because of the big, bad US of A is absolute nonsense.
edutcher said...
Not to mention Samuel Colt and Henry Deringer, who made personal defense affordable
Same can be said for making it easier for murders to carry out their crimes, yes?
Same can be said for making it easier for murders to carry out their crimes, yes?
Oh. Look! It's another dumb, butt ignorant fuck who thinks murder started with gun ownership!
You are too stupid for words.
Gun ownership is common in Norway. Yet homicide is rare.
So, you were saying what about guns?
Dumbass.
As long as you're stuck on "he acted alone," you haven't figured it out!
Where did this bachelor get his money from? His mom's pocketbook?
Maybe, with enough fertilizer you can get money to grow on trees?
(I think there have been other arrests. 6 more men? Was Breivik a recluse? Or did he have friends?) So far? This story lacks glue.
Well, edutcher,
I did my time in the US Army. Did you?
Two of my cousins died in military service, accidents, but they were serving to protect their country, and incidentally also your "American way of life."
Should you not thank us?
And I did not say anything about "big, bad U.S." The effort is Afghanistan is well worth it, but it is hard to see what it has to do with the North Atlantic or specifically Norwegian interests. Norway is there as a loyal member of NATO, which is a defensive league [against big, bad Soviet Union, IIRC] organized and led by the United States.
And I do think that the U.S. should have formed some other alliances for these quite different purposes.
Paul said...
And here in Texas with over 500,000 CHL (concealed handgun license) holders I would hope a few of them shot the so-n-so dead when he started shooting people.
Didn't work in this case yesterday:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/24/gunman-kills-self-5-other_n_907956.html
"MarkG said...
What those kids needed were heroes, not some police officers.
Someone pointed out yesterday that excessively long response times have occurred here as well. I think Columbine was one example."
Bureaucratic bungling is not limited to places where the population thinks it is the best we can do.
In Norway, they knew how to fight:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage
Remember Telemark
Well, the damn Swedes certainly have reasons to think so!
Hagar said...
Well, edutcher,
I did my time in the US Army. Did you?
No, I didn't, nor did they take four of my mother's five brothers during WWII (the fifth was boarded out within six months), nor my grandfather in WWI. Cushing's Syndrome is in the family and most of its symptoms are grounds for rejection. I can only think of one cousin who ever was inducted.
But that doesn't make my opinion any less valid than yours.
Two of my cousins died in military service, accidents, but they were serving to protect their country, and incidentally also your "American way of life."
Should you not thank us?
And I do.
And I did not say anything about "big, bad U.S." The effort is Afghanistan is well worth it, but it is hard to see what it has to do with the North Atlantic or specifically Norwegian interests. Norway is there as a loyal member of NATO, which is a defensive league [against big, bad Soviet Union, IIRC] organized and led by the United States.
Ok, fine, the "big, bad' was facetious, aimed at the many people inside and out who resent this country for being the leader - and protector - of the Free World.
But that does not in any way lessen the fact that Norway decided to send troops on its own as part of NATO. The idea those troops would have been any faster on the scene is ludicrous. That NATO decided to join the US in A-stan was presumably in recognition of the threat the large Moslem populations in Europe and North America can cause if turned by groups such as Al Qaeda.
A decision to burn the safe haven for Al Qaeda out at the roots seems pretty reasonable to me.
And I do think that the U.S. should have formed some other alliances for these quite different purposes.
You mean like the Coalition of the Willing?
We tried that way, too.
Excuse me but don't the Norwegian police or military have helicopters? A helicopter would have brought help in minutes. The Norwegians are too busy demonizing Israel to protect themselves.
When seconds count, the police are only hours away!
"Where did this bachelor get his money from? His mom's pocketbook?"
Given Norway's welfare system, either his job or his comfortable checks from the government.
It was the victim's fault for not engaging the shooter in a reasoned discussion and convincing him that God didn't exist and killing them all was against humanism.
That NATO is some kind of independent entity is a brand new notion of the Obama administration. It always was organized, largely financed and armed, and led by the United States.
You want allies, you need to work at it. It's the Democrats that think allies just naturally join up in the just cause of the Federaion of Planets, or something.
Oh Prince of the Desert!
Are you the one to criticize the economic policies of a fellow OPEC member?
madawaskan said...
But no nation, no matter what the issue, deserves to have its children marked for slaughter.
Ideally, no nation deserves to have anyone marked for slaughter. But the idea has spread of grading lives by value - the Left does it with PC, but conservatives also have their privileged classes - hero cops must never be killed, women and children never touched, etc.
So after you exempt women, children, the elderly, any minority group, hero government employees, gays, Muslims, Jews, the retarded, those differentially abled........I guess you cull the list down to who is acceptable to kill.
White christian males between 18-55not hero government employees, not gay, not subject to any disability. No one else is an acceptable target.
The Left moans that in targeting terror training camps, we Killed Children! And it would be remiss to note that the ranks of the SS and communist state security apparatus were replete with politically indoctrinated children from the Hitler Jugend and Soviet/China/NORK communist youth movements.
Hagar said...
That NATO is some kind of independent entity is a brand new notion of the Obama administration. It always was organized, largely financed and armed, and led by the United States.
You want allies, you need to work at it. It's the Democrats that think allies just naturally join up in the just cause of the Federaion of Planets, or something.
I suppose a united defense against potential aggressors (USSR or Russian Federation or Moslem crazies) doesn't meet that criterion.
I seem to recall many of the Warsaw Pact countries were jumping at the chance to join NATO once the Berlin Wall came down. They must have had a reason.
The lefties have cracked the code and identified the villain. It was the Koch brothers !
The Progress party, a major political party in Norway which the shooter quit in 2002 because it was not radical enough, is now "Norway's anti-government political group the Progress Party."
There is no act slimy enough to keep the left from using it.
@Moose, according to what I read, some of them did try to reason with their killer.
It was like tasty young lambs trying to reason with a hungry wolf.
There's a reason why we have sheepdogs.
It appears Norwegian children have been "socialised" to be passive and not act as aggressive individuals. Everything comes from the state. Arkansas and Missisippi folks might be fat but their kids would have banded together and jumped this spook. Especially the high school football players and girl basket ball players. Their Viking ancestors must be furious.
Hagar said... The Norwegians do not go armed in daily life anymore, haven't for 7-800 years, but they are not "entirely disarmed." However, this shooter picked a "gun free zone" that would have been so anywhere, even in Texas. No one allows CCW at kids' summer camps. 7/24/11 1:49 PM
Hagar said... This was kids' summer camp for children of the Labor Party brass. Would there be .22's at summer camp for the children of the Democratic Farmer-Labor Party of Minnesota? At any camp whatsoever in the NYC or DC neighborhoods?
At my summer camp in upstate NY we had riflery, I went twice a day every day, best part, I only wish I had known of a shooting camp. Or that one could easily buy and shoot firearms in NYC.
Our instructor Kenyon was a real mountain man type, wizened cherubic and gleeful in his work. His carry piece was a .41 Magnum and he was never without it; there were also shotguns and I think a Springfield in the rack at all times.
That was him. Other counselors might have been carrying or had guns in their cars or lockers.
There was archery and the place abounded with knives. Hell, we had baseball bats and such...I remember RB with the frisbee, coulda disarmed the guy forehand or backhand.
Yup, Norsie boy would have had a short but active visit had he come to Forest Lake Camp.
Oh and PS I detest the notion of a "political" camp - redolent of Hitler Youth. Probably better to shoot the parents who would do that to their kids. Or start with that stupid, stupid priest.
TW: ingst. I bet those parents have some ingst now!
I can't help but wonder if the politicians had made it specifically illegal to shoot children and people in the water if this would have all been prevented.
'Blogger Jose_K said...
In Norway, they knew how to fight:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage
Remember Telemark'
The heroes of Telemark are dead and the spirit that animated them has long ago faded away.
Bullheaded aren't you?
NATO was, and I think still is, a very worthwhile organization, and yes, we are very glad that the U.S. took the initiative to form it and have supported it for so long. Which does not change the fact that the U.S. government of those generations did that for the interests of the United States, it is a mutual aid organization, not just another foreign aid boondoggle.
As for the former Warsaw Pact countries joining NATO, whether they jumped at or not, I think it was a mistake. The U.S. should have encouraged (and probably helped) them to form their own Middle Europe Treaty Organization to form a medium-size bloc to separte the big boys from each other, and the Chechs would have been happy to furnish the armaments.
(Given the proclivities of the Clinton administration, I would guess that the U.S. arms industry had something to do with inviting them to join NATO)
And I did not say that the NATO countries should not support the U.S. in the Middle East; just that they should have formed another organization for that purpose, though, of curse, they would then also have to explain just what that purpose was.
If found the following exchange on a message board I visit occasionally.
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Norway's PM said "we will retaliate with more democracy."
What does that mean?
"I think it means keeping and explaining institutions such as habeas corpus, open borders and human rights; not creating exceptions to the law for 'combatants', closing down borders and creating biometric ID's for immigrants. I think it means we will not be terrorised into reacting with violence, 'encounters' or 'extractions'; but rather look within our systems to see how the disenfranchised can become franchised - not further radicalised. I think it means a lot more than simply scoffing at a single madman, a crazy fringe or a group of extremists; it means asking why they are where they are and how we can move forward, while promoting those values we stand for."
A couple of comments:
1. Several gun-strokers always pop their load that their beloved guns solve all problems...and IF ONLY!! we armed children in HS or summer camp and allowed law-abiding gun owners to take weapons on planes...why there would be no problems!
(Welcome aboard , Major Hasan! Would you like your complimentary flight 9mm pistol or do you wish to carry your own .357 laser sighted beauty with 30 round extended magazines? Ah, just a minute Mr. Loughner, yes, you also have legal gun ownership and a conviction-free record....)
2. Norways police actually did better than the hero cops of Columbine - Who dithered for 3 hours and 52 minutes between reports of shooting at the HS and when sounds of shooting had stopped long enough for the hero cop commanders to deem it safe enough to enter the HS.
3. People should be old enough to realize Elites are never held accountable. (Unless 'madmen' do it - in lieu of the System that protects the Elites and those acting for it in coercive positions of power, under color of law).
No cop involved in Columbine was disciplined. Most got commended. No FBI agent or FAA official was reprimanded for 9/11 failures as they were Government Heroes. Mike Nifong of Duke Lacrosse fame served one day in jail and was immunized from lawsuits.
Not a single rich WASP or Jew behind the fiscal and Wall Street collapse at the end of the Bush Administration will suffer any legal charges.....they all walk... or worse come out even richer thanks to the trillions thrown at the Fatcats "Too Big To Fail". Same with gov't officials of all stripes and Parties paid off by the Richest 1%.
Yes Bernie Madoff was nailed to the wall, but his crime was burning fellow Elite Jewish money-men, not the American rabble.
4. Norway, Sweden, the UK to some extent...has made career limiting, a cause to be thrown out of university, in cases terming it a racist hate crime...illegal..to challenge the Elites embrace of MultiKulti and mass Muslim and African immigration.
The violence in Norway seems a harbinger of things to come - that the Elites behind MultiKulti and mass immigration may not be allowed by the natives to persecute the opposition to them and escape consequences.
dodson said...
It appears Norwegian children have been "socialised" to be passive and not act as aggressive individuals. Everything comes from the state. Arkansas and Missisippi folks might be fat but their kids would have banded together and jumped this spook. Especially the high school football players and girl basket ball players. Their Viking ancestors must be furious.
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It may make you feel good to say it...Michael Moore had the Lefty version that craven whiteys just surrendered to the Islamoids and gave them the keys to the plane on 9/11...but if the planes were full of manly niggahs they would have taken care of business as true heroes of color.
Truth is, when people are in a fish in a barrel shooting situation, a concentration camp, a Red Terror....few heroes emerge. Unless they think that there is a remote chance "heroism" will help them out personally. Otherwise, they pick survival strategies that generally facilitate their own slaughter. Cooperate - after all, isn't cooperation rewarded??! Stand still and beg to be spared while the gunsight is drawn. Cower on the ground. Play dead even as others on the ground are finished off with head shots. Maybe you'll be the lucky exception!
It isn't just a Norwegian thing. Red blooded all-American Texans just cowered and waited to be shot at Luby's cafeteria. Our hero soldiers at Ft Hood reacted just like the little socialists in Norway at their political indoctrination camps. Genocidal Hutus surrounded and cut off by avenging Tutsi, were herded and meekly marched to their death pit. Waiting in line for the bullet. Disarmed Taliban were marched 60 a crack into shipping containers by N Alliance after the last batch of suffocated bodies was dragged out by captive Talibani...all the time just begging Allah to spare them...
This strengthens the Instapundit's admonition:
"Be a pack, not a herd!"
This is beginning to smell like "Gun Walker" method repeated in Norway.
How did a single Norwegian get up and rolling with perfect bomber and gun violence pedigree needed to high light Christian internet bloggers in the USA for an electronic and firearm disarmament with stays in internment camps?
Just asking.
Obama's community groups are Stalinists so far as frauds and cruelty to get a result are concerned.
Norway won't learn a thing until it sends it prime minister to Tel Aviv!
While most Israelis learned everything they needed to know about the Norwegians at Lillihammer.
Ahead, though?
I'd guess the piss prize lost some of its luster. It wasn't what the Nobel Committee was hoping for. but it worked out that way!
In America? If the Norwegians were hoping to transfer their guilt, here, they failed. This is a home grown nut job ... who wasn't contained.
And, he got money from someplace else. Growing vegetables wouldn't have given him the cash to buy his wet suit. Or his guns. Or even enough bullets with which to shoot.
And, here's something else.
The get-away boat got so terrified from the noises made by the gun ... they sailed past Utoya Island.
As to translating what the Norwegian prime minister said into English ... he said "Norway doesn't change."
Like the grass growing over Verdun.
Tel Aviv is safer than Oslo!
Hagar said...
Bullheaded aren't you?
NATO was, and I think still is, a very worthwhile organization, and yes, we are very glad that the U.S. took the initiative to form it and have supported it for so long. Which does not change the fact that the U.S. government of those generations did that for the interests of the United States, it is a mutual aid organization, not just another foreign aid boondoggle.
As for the former Warsaw Pact countries joining NATO, whether they jumped at or not, I think it was a mistake. The U.S. should have encouraged (and probably helped) them to form their own Middle Europe Treaty Organization to form a medium-size bloc to separte the big boys from each other, and the Chechs would have been happy to furnish the armaments.
No, but I haven't seen a good reason to back away from what I said. All I've heard is a lot of opinion, but not too much in the way of justification.
Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but that does not make it (this includes mine) holy writ.
It's like Palladian saying he doesn't think the state should be involved with marriage and he doesn't want to hear any reasons why it should.
"Passing with virtually no comment is the fact that Norwegians are entirely disarmed. If this sicko had tried that in Texas, he wouldn't have fired more than three shots, as long as he wasn't on an Army base."
What about the massacre at Luby's Restaurant in Killeen, Texax in 1991 where 23 people were killed and 20 more wounded?
The truth is, no public place in America is likely to be filled with armed citizens, and this type of crime is, in fact, horribly common here. Norway being "entirely disarmed" cannot be blamed for this tragedy.
A lunatic with a gun is to blame, and such persons will find victims wherever they are.
Carol Herman drivels:In America? If the Norwegians were hoping to transfer their guilt, here, they failed. This is a home grown nut job ... who wasn't contained.
Do you have any links to statements from the Norwegian authorities trying to transfer guilt to America? Doubtful, you never seem to have anything to back up your babble. Also, it's interesting to see you now talk about how the shooter was home-grown, I guess the Palestinian angle and other conspiracies you were talking about have exited your addled mind for the moment.
Really, just STFU, Carol. You have nothing to add to this conversation and I suspect you never have had anything to add in your entire life.
However, this shooter picked a "gun free zone" that would have been so anywhere, even in Texas. No one allows CCW at kids' summer camps.
I have read that in Israel any public gathering of children must be accompanied by an armed adult. I have yet to read of an armed Israeli schoolteacher or crossing guard blowing away their flock with their mandatory gun - assault rifle, generally.
We position fire extinguishers and fire alarms without a thought. We mandate multiple exits and the construction of doors, to keep people from being trapped. We teach people how to improvise ways to drown, suffocate or smother fires if need be. We do these things to protect ourselves and innocents from harm by fire.
One difference between this protection from fire and protection from gunfire is, well, the fire isn't a person, while the shooter is. We can put out fire without compunction because it is a thing.
So, how much destructive leeway is a person allowed before it's OK to harm them in order to stop them? How hard do we try to stop the harm by other means before "by any means necessary?" And why does preparation for that terrible extremity carry such stigma? Short of murderous sprees, what's the murder rate, the assault rate, the rape rate to suck up before it's time to say "no" with more than words?
Schmuck feller ... The Norwegians said their local nut job was "driven" by America's Christian Fundamentalist society. CROCK OF SHIT, right there!
This is a home grown lunatic. Who had freedom of movement. And, so ... people will be able to check out their own memories.
You want to know something else? "It" being Oslo ... they haven't even met a Jew. But, yes. They can speak English.
And, the "manifesto" is a cut & paste job. You can even add plagiarism to the list.
While I just want to see how the "money tree" grew ...
If only the reporters in the helicopter had thought to bring along someone with a hunting rifle.
You'd think that if you knew a bunch of teenagers were being massacred, you wouldn't wait for the special unit, you'd just take your chances.
The Norwegians said their local nut job was "driven" by America's Christian Fundamentalist society.
Got a link to that statement, Carol? They may have linked him up (in translation) to Christian fundamentalism, whatever that means in Norwegian terms, but I haven't seen them claim he's acting under the influence of American fundamentalism. And regarding the money, it doesn't take a huge fortune to buy fertilizer and guns. Lots of farmers and ranchers do that every day.
And you are still a babbling imbecile.
The truth is, no public place in America is likely to be filled with armed citizens, and this type of crime is, in fact, horribly common here. Norway being "entirely disarmed" cannot be blamed for this tragedy.
There have been a number of mass shooting scenes that were stopped by an armed intervention by a citizen. You are about as likely to see a nude photo of Princess Kate on the front page of the NY Times as to see an account of such an event in the MSM.
I am impressed with the regular people who took their boats in to rescue swimming survivors. That's the way to be.
There have been a number of mass shooting scenes that were stopped by an armed intervention by a citizen.
True, which is why I support concealed-carry laws and dislike a lot of gun control laws. But the idea that widespread gun ownership will mean that mass shooting incidents won't happen is at best a false hope and at worst cheap political rhetoric. There was a mass shooting this weekend in Grand Prairie, Texas. I can assure you that's not a town where gun ownership is rare.
Well, carrying guns at the ready works in Israel.
Even better, most 18 year olds are inducted into the military. Even religious kids.
What's even more amazing is that the kids sling their guns over their shoulder, and stick their thumbs out to passing motorists. Who stop and offer lifts.
There's nothing out of Norway that has told you the truth, yet. Other than it took 90 minutes to get to an island a ten minute boat ride away from Oslo.
Until Norwegians are willing to look at their PC "fluff" ... they're not going to be entering the TRUTH ZONE!
Good, though, that their lies didn't hold up to the light of day! American Christians and/or Fundamentalists ... had nothing to do with the carnage in Oslo.
Nor did Sarah Palin.
Nor did George Bush.
While the "manifesto" was plagiarized. Using cut & paste. Put together in such a hurry ... that the "green light" was given recently. Rather than far off. Long ago. Many moons away.
Methadras, at 1:34 PM. I wouldn't used "pacified" to describe "brain dead." Believing in all that PC crapola can do that to ya.
It's not easy to cure shit like this. I suspect not even this carnage will do it.
Though in the "story telling" department ... because it is ALL LOCAL ... You bet ... some nods will be made in the correct direction.
Wasn't one man!
He didn't carry the green light!
Hagar, edutcher,
I always understood the purpose of NATO was to keep the Germans down, the Russians out and the Americans in.
As for this horror in Norway, a nut is a nut and its impossible to completely to eliminate any such outbreaks of evil. I just find it difficult to believe that in a small country like Norway the cops took so long to arrive. But then again when outbreaks like these first occur in almost every place its happened the first time the reaction is slow. Its as if it is a form of disbelief or denial that such a thing can happen.
I wonder if any german born jews attacked hitler youth camps...
If your country is willingly giving in to foreign invaders (Immigrants) isn't this the type of partisan resistance thats supposed to happen.
There is a thin line between zero and hero.
If Norway was America I wonder if he would be considered a hero by most of you.
He choose to burn out, not fade away.
If a political group was selling america out, what would our patriots do?
This is what democracy kills like?
wv: ingsosti - Fuckingsostimatic Destruction.
cubanbob said...
Hagar, edutcher,
I always understood the purpose of NATO was to keep the Germans down, the Russians out and the Americans in.
As for this horror in Norway, a nut is a nut and its impossible to completely to eliminate any such outbreaks of evil. I just find it difficult to believe that in a small country like Norway the cops took so long to arrive. But then again when outbreaks like these first occur in almost every place its happened the first time the reaction is slow. Its as if it is a form of disbelief or denial that such a thing can happen.
You get no argument from me.
I read somewhere many years ago that one of the problems Norway had in mounting an effective resistance to the Nazis is that most Norwegians had never so much as hit anyone, so the idea of killing people was a very alien concept.
That may play into what you say.
He'll to alot of americans OUR zero IS the hero.
In the next 50 years, will we see Norway and England etc become the new breeding grounds for islamic fundamentalism that afganistan and pakistan are today?
Not if people keep waxin out the collaboraters kids at school they wont.
Maybe the c.i.a is funding black ops that are targeting the future jihad strongholds of europe, wouldnt that be foward thinking. The easist objective to take is one that didnt exist to be taken to begin with?
wv: bunutai, a racial request directed at a Thailand bread vendor?
CBS this evening reported that Breivik used bullets that explode within the body when they hit. I wonder what on earth kind of ammunition that could be. The only small arms ammunition I have heard of that was supposed to do that was the "doctored" rounds the Jackal used in the movie, and of course those were fictional, I don't know if that would actually work, and of course Breivik must have fired somewhere around 1000 rounds, or more, to kill that many people, which would have taken a lot of work to make up that many.
Kookie-
You've obviously never been to a Luby's restaurant....let alone one in Killeen TX.
If Norway was America I wonder if he would be considered a hero by most of you.
??? That's mental.
CBS this evening reported that Breivik used bullets that explode within the body when they hit. I wonder what on earth kind of ammunition that could be.
Most likely some ignorant reporter talking about hollow points. I've seen them described in the same, inaccurate way by journalists before.
Yeah, I was being sarcastic, I thought.
Most probably civilian hunting ammunition in a .223.
It is irritating that so far I have see nothing about the details of what he did.
Most likely some ignorant reporter talking about hollow points.
That's what I think also. Whenever TV news people talk about anything remotely technical, they usually have some significant facts wrong. And they usually error on the side of the sensational.
Sorry, Hagar. I should have detected that.
True, which is why I support concealed-carry laws and dislike a lot of gun control laws.
That reminded me of that old Seinfels line about people wearing sweapants out in public. "Fuck it, I give up".
The AP reported on a rash of gun violence that took place across the country this weekend. Something must be in the air.
Well when this first hit the news CNN was saying-
Norway is actually a logical target because they have done more for the War on Terror effort than most people realize.
Then they had a large list of examples at the ready.
Of course that's when they thought it was radical Muslims and CNN thought they could join "forces" with them and lecture us all about how essentially-
Norway deserved it.
They've shut their pie holes now, CNN has.
Anyways Norway has been exemplary in efforts to try to stave the situation in the Sudan.
And yes Africa is and will become critical.
We meet the Norwegian naval attaches so maybe we meet a different class ( I highly doubt they are that different) but they don't hate America.
That's what PB and J wants to spread here-because he's a lover like that.
But the point is this is never "justified" we didn't deserve it on 9/11 , Norway doesn't deserve it now and to try and apply "logic" to what these madmen do is to cede them too much power.
They don't get to teach any of us anything-they should be jettisoned, their ideas and reasons should be put in a vacuum.
That's why they do it-it is most of their motivation.
They murder so that they can have their ideas studied-so they can "learn" us , lecture us and terrorize us into a certain behavior or result.
Screw them-their manifestos are always some new variant of stupid/illogical. They never prevent the next one of the blooming idiots.
They are calling this guy smart but it took him 9 years to plan it. He was a farmer for years so that he could get the needed materials.
But it's easy to destroy things, it's harder to build and this guy spent nine years of his life on this.
He's a waste of a human being.
Ugh I v'e been reading eyewitness accounts.
There was a girl that said she saw wounds on victims the size of saucers.
There was also this story from a 20 year old survivor who was playing dead.
The animal had hunted a family and was going back to finish them off and a ten year old boy ran up and faced the bastard down.
The ten year old boy yelled at him-
You have killed our father, you have done enough to my family- leave us alone!
The evil animal turned and walked away from him.
A ten year old stared him down.
" Arkansas and Missisippi folks might be fat but their kids would have banded together and jumped this spook. Especially the high school football players and girl basket ball players."
Very, very doubtful.
A response like that requires training and practice. The instinct is to flee. A group of young people who had been through military training might be able to pull that off. I don't think this group of campers had much military experience.
I'm really interested to know what happened to the adults on that island, particularly the men. Are they dead?
There's not much to be learned from Breivik. He's an isolated nutcase. But the behavior of the adults is interesting. I have to admit that I have a poor opinion of Europeans, so I'm thinking the worst. That's probably unfair.
Here is a crappy google translation of the story and here it says the boy was eleven years old.
"You've already killed my dad, I'm too young to die"
KIRSTI HAGA HONNINGSØY
kirsti.haga.honningsoy@nrk.no
KRISTINE RAMBERG AASEN
kristine.ramberg.aasen@nrk.no
Posted 7/24/2011 8:02 p.m..
The offender chose to let Adrian Pracon live.
Adrian Pracon was shot but survived. He tells of a young boy of eleven years who stood up against the perpetrator, and ordered him to stop shooting.
There were many who wanted to hear the story of Adrian Pracon from Skien today. He was even hit by a shot in the shoulder, but under the circumstances better now.
- I heard the happy shouts of his between shots
- It is clear that it is painful to be shot at, but it does more hurt to lose their friends, says Pracon to NRK.
The history of Pracon is strong. He swam from the shore in heavy clothing, but had to turn and swim towards the shore again to avoid drowning.
But equally strong is the incident Pracon witnessed - an eleven years old boy who lost his father, and who stood in line.
- Eleven year old stood up against the perpetrator
- An eleven years old boy came and told me that his father was dead. Then he went on. It was terrible to hear. The atmosphere was so chaotic that the boy just went further, saying Pracon.
Pracon see that shoot desperadoes go against the boy. The boy stops. Pracon hear what they are talking about. Pracon is completely silent and pretend that he is dead.
- I hear the boy say, "Do not shoot me, now you shot NOK. You have killed my dad. I'm too young to die. "
- "Let us be," said the boy, according Pracon.
- He retired
- Then pulled the offender itself. It may be he got a touch of sympathy. Eleven-year-old rescued himself, says Pracon.
Pracon then eleven-year-old safe on the country after the massacre of Utøya.
- It was so good to see, he says.
MarkG
Good question....
I'm not reading any accounts from anyone over the age of 20.
There was person that acted as a guard for the police on the island but they are not saying any more than that.
Or where he was on the island.
Speaking of that-and undercover cop had come to Breivik's farm to inspect for something and almost intimidated the idiot into stopping the whole thing.
It is not known what the undercover cop's suspicions might have been. I think that detail comes from the jackal himself so who knows if it's really true.
Heart collector @ 7:05 PM ... Go and stuff it! Jews learned the hard way they need a country to call their own. And, they're willing to defend it! Maybe, God casts his eye on them, too? You're not getting any reports!
And, this crap that played out in Norway ONLY PLAYED OUT because they are all full of PC crapola.
It won't surprise me to learn that the Norwegian dude had local muslim friends. And, this wasn't something that occurred because any one individual "snapped."
America doesn't have that many soft targets. And, while Israel receives lots of incoming missiles ... it is able to protect itself, and its shore line.
Is Israel a democracy? You bet! Are there peaceniks, there? You bet. People who would trade land for piss, or peace? You bet.
Because that's what democracy looks like.
Norway doesn't really have democracy. It has a king. And, it has elites.
The elites? They've got some funerals to attend to. While they'll work overtime maligning American Christians. Why? Because the LEFT will help them do the "heavy lifting."
Norway, however, has been thrown into the TOUGH SHIT zone. If no one is called to task ... let's say for the slow reaction time to the murdering of teenagers? They've got a problem to solve.
I doubt the prime minister pinning medals on anyone's chest is going to amount to a hill of beans. Over there. Because? Because it's hard to applaud when you're shell shocked.
On the other hand? All I really needed to know, I learned at Lillihammer.
But just the same, I don't think Norway would be able to fool the Mossad, again.
That's just the way it is.
Even for slow learners.
This was no a "one man" op! And, behind the whole thing ... someone is going to show up as the "bankroll." I doubt it is going to be a Norwegian.
And, I doubt the troubles are gonna be cured with "more democracy." Because once you've got a PC infestation ... by definition ... democracy flew out the window. (At least their government windows are no longer covered in glass.)
David - Even at Ft Hood, multi-tour combat vets - except for one in the 60 he had to shoot at who resisted (and was killed)- just dove and cowered or tried engaging the Islamoid in conversation why he shouldn't shoot him or begged him or Jesus not to be shot.
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For the gunlovers, a link to the video showing him posing heroically with his high-powered rifle. .308 or above, large magazine, scope, flash and laser sight equipped. All the toys, a gun lover's wet dream.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/anders-breivik-alleged-norway-shooter-considered-wmd-attack/story?id=14148151
PS - For the record, I support concealed carry. I do not think ait travel would be safer, or high school safer, or a rap concert - if everyone got a swell piece before entering. I disagree that everyone having a gun. A well-armed society is not necessarily a safer and more polite society. For every Switzerland, there are hald a dozen Mexicos, Yemens, Iraqs. and Afghanistans. The Israeli model would be akin to in America only whites allowed ownership, with exceptions for carefully vetted hispanic and black police officers. And only those whites that passed through Armed Forces psychological screening.
Hey, Carol, have you been able to come up with some links supporting your claim that the Norwegians were claiming the shooter was influenced by American Christian Fundamentalists, as opposed to whatever the Norwegian equivalent is? Didn't think so. And you still are a babbling imbecile.
David. The instinct taught today is to flee. There are still a few of us alive who run toward the sound of gunfire not away. We are trying to teach our children about bravery and valor but with very few models to point to in the present, declining, age.
A 22-year-old, who was one of the intended victims, tells NRK he only survived because the gunman missed.
“He tried to shoot me with a handheld weapon. I saw the bullet from the gun fly past me and hit the stones behind me. I just ran. People beside me were simply gunned down. He made sure he shot everyone twice,” says the man.
I guess when I was thinking "adult," I wasn't thinking of early twenties. But I guess that's who would most likely be running a camp for teens.
Speed up the film, and cue "Yakety Sax."
Do you have any links to statements from the Norwegian authorities trying to transfer guilt to America?
Dipshit, you might read the comments here. People have been trying to politely ignore you but you seem to have a tremendous urge to show your ass.
Hagar,
Given that's it's an American MSM outlet, your best bet is assuming ignorance. Most likely they are passing on, in their own pathetic way, a report that the shooter used hollow-point ammunition.
How convenient that the boat "took on water" and the "motor stopped" when, for the first time in their lives, these "cops" were finally gong to have to do what police around the world do everyday: fight crime. That water was pee from them pissing in their pants, the little pansies. They'd rather sit in the boat a let the gunman use up his bullets on defenseless children till there are none left to hurt the poor widdle Norwegian policemen. Ass wipes.
Oops, it turns out Freeman said it sooner, and more concisely. Well, no surprise there. :-)
Michael K - the article you link to says that Norwegians used to talk about mass shootings as an American problem. It doesn't cite Norwegians, particularly in officialdom, blaming this shooter's actions on the US. Maybe there some stray comment box comments saying that (I haven't the time to read 200 or so comments to see) but if that's your best evidence, that's weak.
Apparently the killer was a big fan of the Unabomber.
Cookie,
You write of Luby's, as far as I can tell, on the most superficial level only--i.e. with no idea of the context of that massacre nor of the consequences that flowed from it.
Sad, but typical of you.
Let us take note of the way the MSM are writing about this thing and throw it back at them in a week or two when we go back to the 40-year norm of Arabs/Muslims/leftists creating terror. For instance, is the MSM now saying, " one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, so we must avoid such loaded terms?" Of course not! The very notion would be obscene and insulting. But the same goes for all prior terrorist incidents.
I am not jerking off at all anymore.
If I pop it off once a week it is something.
I blame it on the lack of hotties in my environment.
When in Boston I could drive by the Charles River and see like 500 hotties running, sweating, shirtless and hot.
I would have to pull over in some parking lot and shoot a load.
Now nothing.
I went to a Madison Mallards game today. Oh dear God, it was so horrible.
Although, some of the baseball players were hot.
Actually, Michael K, I went ahead and skimmed the comments at your link, and didn't see much evidence of Norwegians blaming this shooting on America. I did see some people trying to ignore the writer's salient points on Islamism and its threat to Norway, but that's not what I was talking about. Babbling Carol is claiming that Norwegians, particularly at the leadership level, are blaming this attack on the US in general and American Christian Fundamentalists in particular. I still haven't seen links to support that.
"Very, very doubtful.
A response like that requires training and practice. The instinct is to flee. A group of young people who had been through military training might be able to pull that off. I don't think this group of campers had much military experience."
That's crap. Well, at least it's a generalization to the point of absurdity. Most people would flee, but not all. That's where heroes come from, and they're all around you. I agree that because of the campers' youth and the venue the circumstances were not necessarily conducive to stopping him, but it was certainly possible.
Here's a sample from a casual web search:
Link 1
The alleged gunman, who now faces a charge of attempted murder, was wrestled to the ground by two "heroic" colleagues of the woman at a Nelson Placemakers store on Tuesday.
Link 2
A GUNMAN attempting to rob a convenience store in Pinewood Gardens on Sunday afternoon was disarmed by two civilians.
I think I'll stick with two links because otherwise this post will probably get sucked in by the spam filter. Suffice it to say that military training and practice is not a prerequisite for anyone to be a hero when the circumstances present themselves. Do a Google search for the term "gunman disarmed" and you'll see it's not rare.
One person here and there is a nutcase, in todays world of passive aggressive dominance and political correct hostile take overs I just hope we dont start seeing this happen more and more often to the point where calling everyone a lone nutjob just isnt going to cut it.
This is a awful thing, but theres obviously a very bad situation hiding behind the crazy guy. If you want to cure the pain you have to treat the source. Taking your pills is only a comfort measure.
wv, forses... creepy....
This is a awful thing, but theres obviously a very bad situation hiding behind the crazy guy.
Like what?
If you want to cure the pain you have to treat the source. Taking your pills is only a comfort measure.
Let's say, hypothetically, that lone, mass-murdering white guys in Europe and American become a big problem. What would you do about it?
I do think it's interesting that this attack was very politically targeted against the Labor Party elite rather then the population in general. Breivik could have blown up a shopping mall or a bus, but chose not to. Def evil, not crazy.
Breaking: Youth Camp In Norway Had Just Concluded Pro-Palestinian Rally The Day Before massacre
Some background info.
It boggles my mind. The police were unable to get there but the news helos did get there. Why didn't the police commandeer the helos?
I've said some ugly things in my day about California cops but anyone remember when that crowd of robbers had homemade body armor and the bluesuit's guns were unable to penetrate? The cops went to gun stores and took real rifles and, eventually, brought the bad guys down.
What were these Scandahoovians waiting for? Surely everyone with any courage didn't move to the USA during the 19th Century. The James-Younger gang found, to their sorrow, Scandinavians in Northfield Minnesota. Human nature doesn't change that much, that fast.
Peter said...
Surely everyone with any courage didn't move to the USA during the 19th Century.
Earlier, that was my claim, and I'm sticking to it.
I found that comment by foxlets14 very interesting. As noted, this was an attack on the children of the political party's leaders -- but also on the next generation of up-and-coming members of the party, since I'm sure that nepotism is just as rampant over there is it is among Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. It shows a high degree of ruthlessness by the killer to preemptively kill off potential future political opponents. From Breivik's warped point of view, the Labour party's policies were not just foolish or misguided, but a betrayal of the Norwegian people to favor immigrants. You don't kill people for being foolish or misguided (or the floors of Congress would be a charnel house), but if you see them as being traitors... I most certainly do not agree with Breivik, but I can see what his thinking might have been that led to those heinous acts.
36fsfiend said...
"didnt' work out.."
That skating rink in FT. Worth is a very well known illegal alien hangout. Lots of shootings, knifings, etc.. CHL holders don't hang out with illegals, ok?
"This is a awful thing, but theres obviously a very bad situation hiding behind the crazy guy."
"Like what?"
Like a foreign intolerant religious faction whos views are incompatible with all the others on the planet who has used loop holes and politcal correctness as a trojan horse to hijack the country. Not to mention a government that is practically sponsering that strategy.
"If you want to cure the pain you have to treat the source. Taking your pills is only a comfort measure."
"Let's say, hypothetically, that lone, mass-murdering white guys in Europe and American become a big problem. What would you do about it?"
Id have to answer this question with a question. Let's say hypothetically that islamic extremists are mass murdering people.... n/m.
Okay I will answer this question with a answer since my previous attempt failed.
I can honestly say the day this type of situation takes place in the country I reside in, I will make my views known, and do everything in my power under the law to reverse / change the course of such a situation. Assuming that fails, and my wife and children have had their clitorises removed under shariah law, I would probably join whatever local resistance I could find and strike back at the collaborators who perpetuated this.
I am sure your head would be pressed to the ground worshiping some pedofile drunk who started his own religion based on his own insecurties. Kiss that ugly ass dog in your profile pic goodbye as well. Im sure youd think it was a small price to pay as you beat your wife with a stick no bigger than your thumb.
This struggle has been going on a very long time, and no the source isn't wacko random white guys.
wv. disformo - Ill trade you disformo buns.
OR, maybe I would just move to Israeli so I could at least be surronded by like minded people that get it....
Kiss that ugly ass dog in your profile pic goodbye as well.
You're an idiot. And that's a very cute dog.
Sadly, this extremist murderer has delivered even more people into the ranks of his 'enemy', like extremist appeaser Britt Aanes and the pro-Palis in the Labour Party.
somefeller,
from Jim Miller on Politics about this shooter and the christian Fundamentalists - from the NYT:
Is Anders Behring Breivick A Christian? The New York Times says he is; they are so sure he is a Christian that they used this for their front page headline yesterday: "As Horrors Emerge, Norway Charges Christian Extremist".
And there is no doubt that the accused Norwegian terrorist describes himself as a Christian. But — and this qualification is essential — as a "cultural" Christian.
A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?
If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian.
In his eyes, that makes him Christian, but not in the eyes of most Christians, I would guess.
John Sexton has much more on Breivick's beliefs in that post.
(Did the New York Times even mention that "cultural" qualification in their article? No, for them, Breivick is simply a Christian, specifically a "Christian conservative". The Times didn't even contact a few Christian leaders to see whether other Christians think Breivick is a Christian.)
- 7:37 AM, 25 July 2011 [link]
No one allows CCW at kids' summer camps.
Hell, man, I don't know what camps you went to as a kid, but summer Scout camp for me was the one and only time in my gun-deprived youth that I was allowed to touch, let alone fire, an actual gunpowder-type gun. My mother had some foolish notion of protecting her precious snowflakes from the danger of guns - they made my grandmother get rid of her pistol, etc. All it did was turn my sister into a doctrinaire Democrat, which drives my dad up the wall.
My alma mater, PSU, had a girl go on a shooting rampage about a dozen years ago - set up a sniper's nest on the HUB Lawn with two rifles, started shooting. She only shot three people - one dead - before somebody spotted her nest & tackled her & subdued her. He wasn't armed. A single armed lunatic in the open is terribly exposed, even to an unarmed crowd. The Columbine shooters, those two maniacs in LA, and the Mumbai terrorists worked in fire teams. None of them had the body count of this single pretty-boy maniac... It's all very weird.
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