By far the most disturbing information that we have been privy to—there is, no doubt, more out there that we don’t know—is the transcript of a nine-month "sexting" relationship Weiner had with a Las Vegas blackjack dealer. Radar Online posted the transcript, and it is rife with misogyny and distorted views about women. In referring to oral sex, Wiener tells her, “You will gag on me before you c** with me in you” and “[I’m] thinking about gagging your hot mouth with my c***.” This is not about sex. It’s about dominating and inflicting physical pain on a woman, a fantasy the hard-corn porn industry makes billions of dollars on selling to men. You don’t want to gag a woman with your penis unless you have some serious issues with the way you see women.Hard-corn porn? Hilarious typos aside... let's not go all Women's Studies about the man's efforts at writing about sex. It is not an easy literary task.
Okay. I just went and read the entire Weiner/Weiss transcript. (PDF.) Read it out loud, in fact! A few thoughts:
1. This is my favorite exchange. (Boldface is Weiner.)
are you as passionate in the sack as u are about politics? I'm getting bored of my f*** friendIt's the idea of getting to be mayor that really excites him.
baby you'd be crawling for the door to prevent me from f***ing you silly
nice, just what I'm looking for. I want to bang the future mayor of nyc!
making me h**d
2. I don't think it's "rife with misogyny and distorted views about women," as Powers put it. The quotes she extracts follow an approach to texting that the 2 have established in which they get each other going with blunt sex talk.
aahh...wish I was in the shower with you to helpIt goes on like that. He's not saying anything she doesn't welcome. You can easily see that in context. Powers says "This is not about sex." But it obviously is.
you give good h**d?
i've been told really good...I love doing it
wow a jewish girl who sucks c***! this thing is ready to do damage
and swallows every drop. god damn how do I get you here to f*** me?
<= thinking about gagging your hot mouth with my c***
the anticipation of f****** you is driving me crazy! come to vegas so I can suck your c*** for an hour. you must be in the shower...i am getting very nice visual before bed. I'll probably have some filthy dreams about you (again!)"
3. Based on the entire transcript, I would say that the only problem with his attitude toward Weiss is not "misogyny," but the way he maintains a minimal contact with her over the course of nearly a year, when she keeps begging him to come to Vegas and to "f*** the s***" out of her. I think he knows there's no way he's traveling out there for her, yet she might imagine that he will. It would be decent to tell her that, but, really, she seems like a strong person who knows what she is doing, getting a thrill out of playful intimacy with a celebrity she admires.
4. I have no idea whether Huma Abedin objects to his fooling around like this. For all we know, she reads these written dialogues aloud to him and the 2 of them laugh about it. We do not know.
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How is it possible to be more toast than "toast"?
We have some responsibility for what we say, and for what we allow our eyes to see. Since I don't want to scratch my eyes out, I'm not reading the transcript. I just want to know how any member of Congress can continue to support this man? Don't wait for him to resign, that is too honorable. Banish him, and deprive him the Privilege of the Floor.
But Ann. Didn't our democratic friends firmly establish in 1998 that lying about sex and having people cover it up is not a resign-able offense, even if you have a sex act in the oval office with a 21 year old that you have power over?
If the left could use the Weiner case to their advantage, as they thought they could with Bill Clinton they would not be saying a word.
If a person’s judgement of girl/boyfriends is so faulty, unreliable, imperfect, non-psychic…whatever…that they enter into a relationship only to discover later that the person was completely different than their experience and perception led them to believe that girl/boyfriend was, how can their recommendations for politicians be trusted?
Not to pick on KP, but any pundit is in this same boat. We know our closest friends and family at a distance. Probably not much closer than our most casual acquaintances, truth be told. We vote for people, putting the course of our country into the hands of people who may turn out to be the most heinous of villains tomorrow.
I recall how excited people were over Alan Keyes a few years back. Given a few months of scrutiny, however, and he turned out to be not the top-shelf candidate many hoped and thought he was. KP is a smart woman; Weiner misled her, bypassing her intelligence, street smarts, and whatever other filter systems she has in place to distance herself from losers and heartache.
How many of us cheered The Newt of the ’90s, only to be repulsed by his personal character and public implosion here in 2011? If nothing else, this whole Weiner business can serve as a warning against how effusively we support any candidate.
Everything is improved by a dose of womyn's ideology.
Call in Amanda Marcotte!
The Kirsten Powers piece is pretty devestating. I thought Weiner could ride this one out. I doubt that now. He is too much of a distraction for the Democrats. His own side will do a "Death Panel" on him.
I'm sorry, Kirsten. But I figured Weiner for a lying jackass, years ago, after about 30 seconds of teevee exposure.
Althouse: "I have no idea whether Huma Abedin objects to his fooling around like this."
And we have no idea that we're not really just part of The Matrix, and this is all a digitally induced dream.
But I'm pretty sure how much probability I'd assign to each.
ST is going hard corn again.
But I'm pretty sure how much probability I'd assign to each.
I'm going with the digitally induced dream!
Beam me up, Scotty!
Let's all pray Huma doesn't have a daughter.
By the way: Kirsten Powers is a lovely woman, as is Huma Abedin.
What the hell is wrong with women? I mean, what about this guy did these two find attractive?
This guy's one of the ugliest sons of bitches I've ever seen, inside and out. Why are women so irresistibly drawn to assholes?
Sssh! Don't do that. You'll create a ripple in the - - Whoa. Déjà vu.
Are we sure Weiner isn't also Killer Mike:
"Roll my blunts thick, like I like my bitch
Lick my blunts and spit, like she do my dick
Attempted murder dick, for ways I choke chicks
Spit it in her eye make it hard to focus"
Wow.
This broad is just figuring out that Weiner is a worthless putz.
Was she at the ceremony with Governor Walker?
Sex is sexist. What Weiner did as a man is not so wrong. What Weiner did as a Congressman is bizarrely wrong....I read the tweets with the card dealer that were printed in the paper. They were kind of funny. It does seem like they were tweets in contemplation of congress. At any rate, it is stupid beyond the normal range of stupid to entrust your career and reputation to the continued good will of a Vegas card dealer and a porn star....We all try to alleviate the angst of existence as best we can. The pursuit of a high minded public life is one way. The pursuit of nookie is another. Sadly these two paths do not complement each other and, in fact, clash. You can stand up for the little man but not by having your little man stand up for pornstars....My own way of dealing with the pain of existence is to sleep late and eat a lot of bbq. These two goals have never put my life in conflict.
Be careful. He's about to claim his wife is pregnant.
(Fred4Pres had the link on another thread.)
As to masturbation, I don't think Kirsten Powers is being honest.
That Breitbart dropped the weiner picture by handing his iPhone to Opie ... creates a news market all its own.
Even if Huma isn't preggy ... she can walk around with a pillow under her clothes for months and months.
And, she's in the hands of Hillary. Who knows how to market "stand by your man" like nobody's business.
What if Anthony's career is no longer salvageable? Well, then, a short shelf life, ahead, no?
"I have no idea whether Huma Abedin objects to his fooling around like this."
Yes, you most certainly do have an idea, Ann, because Anthony Weiner said so in his press conference yesterday. You watched that press conference, did you not counselor?
He admitted that he did not inform his innocent wife of any of this until yesterday morning ... just hours before his press conference.
Don't go all Chris Matthews on us and make out like it's her fault. That's misogynistic uncalled for.
Jesus Christ. What a post.
You know if Rep. Weiner keeps this up he just might get
his own show on CNN.
And his co-anchor could be...
Kirsten Powers.
Now THAT would drive up CNN's evening numbers.
Honestly this does not strike me as misogynistic at all. It strikes me as a guy doing the filthy-sexy talk thing, which a lot of women (and men) like. The recipient certainly didn't mind. I don't know why Ms Powers feels a need to dissect sex talk. IME it all sounds pretty silly to the people not involved.
Basically, not buying what the-ex is selling. She wants her 15 minutes, it seems to me.
"Even if Huma isn't preggy ... she can walk around with a pillow under her clothes for months and months."
And they could announce a miscarriage at just the right moment to generate the most favorable news coverage should that be necessary to save his career.
We won't have any idea that she's really pregnant until Andrew Sullivan completes his investigation of her uterus.
So Weiner(D) lying is OK, she'll even defend him, but lying to Kirsten? Arrogance!!!
"Okay. I just went and read the entire Weiner/Weiss transcript. (PDF.) Read it out loud, in fact!"
I don't have any money. But if I did, I'd pay you to revive Audible Althouse and read it out loud for us.
We don't know, but if she knew about his texting don't you think she would have spoken in support of him by now? He would have gone from lying scum to half of a kinky, hot couple.
wv - hydra (Apt description.)
If Weiss was soooo interested in having sex with Weiner, then why didn't she travel to New York?
My cousin found a woman in a bar that wanted to blow him. They jumped in his car, and she directed him to a dark alley.
Yup....he acquired a lump on his head, and lost his wallet.
Powers dated Weiner for 3 months.
Kirsten Powers. What the hell?
I would hit that like Ike when he had to tell Tina something twice. I'd hit that like Amy Winehouse with a pinata full of crack-rocks.
I don't have any money. But if I did, I'd pay you to revive Audible Althouse and read it out loud for us.
Hey, maybe save it for the future subscriber side.. Meade would read as the Weiner.. and Althouse as the women ;)
"He would have gone from lying scum to half of a kinky, hot couple."
You know, believe it or not, she is a consumate professional by all accounts and very, very discrete.
I'm sure she's mortified to see her personal life be dragged through the muck and mud by her own fucking philandering husband.
It's a shame what this woman is being made to put up with by the person she is supposed to be able to get the most support from - her spouse.
And to top it all off he's been doing this knowing she is carrying his child.
I'm sorry, but talking about how you want to cock-gag some porn star while your wife is busy working her ass off as an aide de camp to the Secretary of State and on top of that is carrying your first unborn child ... that's just sickening.
Here's hoping he'll jump off a bridge.
It's true that we don't know what understandings may exist between Anthony and Huma, but I'd be very surprised to learn that she had waived the implied warranty of non-humiliation.
Of course it's about sex. Women always say that sex isn't about sex.
I think it's nice that text messaging is a perfect medium for dirty talk. You have a 140 character limit and if you exceed that limit you know you're not doing it right. It means you're being too verbose and complicated, or not letting your partner have their turn. Even the "baby you'd be crawling for the door" line comes close to being excessively wordy. We know why she'd be crawling for the door, so just leave out the "to prevent me from f***ing you silly" bit.
Which reminds me of this piece on why texting never took off for the Victorians. Quite funny.
Just because a woman “likes” your video on Facebook doesn’t mean you can send her a picture of your penis.
This line has me rolling. Heh! I think what she says about people not expecting this when they friend a public person, like a politician, is correct. People see those as PR, mostly, right?
Honestly this does not strike me as misogynistic at all. It strikes me as a guy doing the filthy-sexy talk thing, which a lot of women (and men) like.
I don't know about the "at all" part, but the woman was clearly into it. I not a fan of the man or his moral preening prior to his fall, but two grown ups talking dirty can sound like that. (shrug)
"I don't have any money. But if I did, I'd pay you to revive Audible Althouse and read it out loud for us."
I'm considering having a subscription level of access on the new website, so I'm looking for ideas of what I could put there!
I'm considering having a subscription level of access on the new website, so I'm looking for ideas of what I could put there!
Well, we did recently see a picture of Patti Davis' withered butt...
In the name of feminism, you could show us a how ideology preserves the 60 year old fanny.
Go ahead! Do your part to empower women!
"Hey, maybe save it for the future subscriber side.. Meade would read as the Weiner.. and Althouse as the women ;)"
LOL. Just read that. After writing my comment above.
Or as Weiner would put it:
Go ahead, baby. Empower the s**t out of me!
Make me scream! I'm going to empower the f***k out of your c**t!
Please, Weiner man, don't resign! This could go on forever.
You'd think with a 140 character limit they'd limit themselves to a single asterisk in dirty words.
Just because a woman “likes” your video on Facebook doesn’t mean you can send her a picture of your penis.
I'm wondering for how many guys out there this is a revelation.
Based on the entire transcript, I would say that the only problem with his attitude toward Weiss is not "misogyny," but the way he maintains a minimal contact with her over the course of nearly a year, when she keeps begging him to come to Vegas and to "f*** the s***" out of her.
Alexis Zorba: God has a very big heart but there is one sin he will not forgive: [slaps table] if a woman calls a man to her bed and he will not go.
Zorba the Greek
I would hit that like Ike when he had to tell Tina something twice. I'd hit that like Amy Winehouse with a pinata full of crack-rocks.
Hit it so hard, whoever pulled you out would become King of England?
If this doesn't cost the Demos the vote of every woman in the country - you can't tell me they didn't know about his treatment of his women friends - then it's going to be hard for all those Lefty broads to convince anybody they really are smarter than Sarah Palin.
Ann Althouse said...
"I don't have any money. But if I did, I'd pay you to revive Audible Althouse and read it out loud for us."
I'm considering having a subscription level of access on the new website, so I'm looking for ideas of what I could put there!
Oh, no! You're not going all O'Really on us, are you?
I'm considering having a subscription level of access on the new website, so I'm looking for ideas of what I could put there!
Perhaps you could put your Audible Titus oeuvre there too. He has many fanboys and girls here.
3. Based on the entire transcript, I would say that the only problem with his attitude toward Weiss is not "misogyny," but the way he maintains a minimal contact with her over the course of nearly a year, when she keeps begging him to come to Vegas and to "f*** the s***" out of her. I think he knows there's no way he's traveling out there for her, yet she might imagine that he will.
And, once again, let me emphasize how utterly alien this sounds to me. I thought the idea of sex talk was to escalate into sex. Bizarre.
Funny how even complete jerks can be decent every once in awhile. she starts out by giving her personal history with him - and he seems to have been quite decent. It is always very difficult to know what is at one's core. Very good people can do very bad things. Very bad people can doe very good things.
I don't know why that struck me. Probably because the only good things I've read about this guy were written by lefties who described his politics.
Hit it so hard, whoever pulled you out would become King of England?
Kirsten Powers? Would hit that like the Rasputitsa hits the plains of the Rodina. Yes sir.
He knew I was going on the show Hannity, where I would use this false information to defend him in front of millions of people. I did, and I regret it. The previous day I had reluctantly done an interview with the New York Post at his request to talk about what kind of boyfriend he was. In that story I didn’t address the controversy but talked about my experiences with him. Nonetheless, my friends were furious when the real information came out and they realized he had allowed me to become involved in his sordid controversy. I just felt sorry for him and his wife
Aw, poor, poor, wittle Kristen. You were lied to by a member of the party of shameless liars.
Such a tragedy...
Weiner is such a homely putz, that Breitbart photo shows the most attractve part of him.
Maybe Kirsten can authenticate today's dicpic.
I feel so much better that Tony the Putz has been representin' for 19 years. And that he has been allowed on camera to allegedly have serious debate about serious issues.
This guy is a douchenozzle. Reading this makes me happy he got busted.
Go to hell Weiner!!!
If I read her correctly, Professor Althouse thinks that a marriage is nothing more than what the two parties consenting to it make it. Those parties may consent to any rules or no rules. No one else has the right to judge whether those rules are reasonable. And, presumably, the law would allow such a thing to. Interesting. My guess is were one to see a whole society that thinks of marriage that it, it would not be a society that would last terribly long. Family life would be too chaotic. It would be an interestin experiment, however. Perhaps my instinct is wrong, and it can work.
let's not go all Women's Studies about the man's efforts at writing about sex. It is not an easy literary task.
Thank god there are only two sexes necessary.
With 26 sexes, probably 13 would be victim class material.
On the other hand, there would be lots more joke material.
If I read her correctly, Professor Althouse thinks that a marriage is nothing more than what the two parties consenting to it make it.
Don't know whether Althouse is promoting that or not, but herein lies the problem of the left. Libs have been defending Weiner's decision not to resign on the claim that he didn't campaign on family values, so he's not a hypocrite. But, he is a hypocrite.
Taking liberties with a little bit of presumption, I'd guess that their marriage vows/statements/assertions/hippie poetry stated something along the lines of marital fidelity, respect, or promotion of the communal good for the harmony of the home. By living the lie of a faithful family man while cheating on his wife makes him a liar and a hypocrite. He was pretending to be one thing, while acting just the opposite.
If, at the onset, he had said, "Our marriage is an open marriage, with no expectation of monogamy and no judgement of extra-marital relations, so butt out of our private business," then fine, do as you please. He didn't. He's embarrassed because he (apparently) broke whatever vows he took.
Cad.
On the other hand, with 26 sexes there would be 13 varieties of long-form ladies' porn.
Andrew Klavan was right when he said Weiner looked exactly like a turtle without his shell. And we've had that "sex is all in the mind" debate here, so I'm not surprised by any of this - Weenie is telling women what they want to hear. But here's the thing:
Look at what giving women what they want gets you.
Now, my life is a prime example of what NOT giving women what they want will get you - nothing. Well, not quite:
A photo of an old girlfriend was on Facebook the other day, and she looked pretty, so I indicated that I "liked" it, and - BAM! - my cell phone rang.
I thought, "Good Lord, I don't need this shit," but answered it anyway, and - within seconds - I knew I'd made two mistakes. The word "spiritual" came out of her mouth before a minute was up, as a self-description (remember: a lot of my friends haven't seen me in years and don't know about the blog) and, from then on, I was left rolling my eyes as she went on and on about a bunch of bullshit that, ordinarily, I would run from like the plague.
This girl used to be a fucking hooker, for Christ's sake.
She wanted to know when I'd be in town. I won't be in town. (Hell, I've got to get off the phone.) "Bye."
My point is, being a guy with his own perspective is probably the most isolating thing a man can be. When I was with my wife, and had my career, it was different. But now, shit, women really are "the other" and I wonder if I'll ever have anything with one again.
I can flirt like nobody's business, and women seem to like me, but I'll never be Anthony Weiner.
I can see why Weiner stopped dating Powers. This is pretty PG-13 dirty talk. Doesn't Powers know any woman who ever worked at one of the old dial-in sex talk phone services?
"I have no idea whether Huma Abedin objects to his fooling around like this"
The liberal mind on display again...right/wrong, loyal/disloyal, LIAR/honest...who am I to say, Look over there ...shiny!!!
Left wing politicians are expected to lie, cheat, steal, misdirect, and dissemble each and everyday to achieve their liberal goals. Sleeze is one of their tools, and they can't very well be criticized for doing what their constituents know they do so well.
This is awful.
You did not need to post this.
This is awful.
You did not need to post this.
I imagine Huma said the same thing to Weiner.
It is all so completely gross!!
Subscription?? Great, one more thing I can't afford!
"I'm considering having a subscription level of access on the new website..."
Can we buy stock in this enterprise?
Or, perhaps to put it another way, have you thought of going pubic?
Remember Weiner makes these comments at the same time he's pummeling Sarah Palin for metaphors of violence. The liberal's sentimentality about women while nursing private rape fantasies is amazing.
First Spitzer. Then Weiner. Has anyone looked into what Chuckie Schumer is up to these days?
It seems like it is a trend with putzy politicans from NYC.
This is appalling. I sat through every disgusting frame of this film...twice!
New York is losing seats in the House. I think we can guess what will happen to this guy in redistricting.
"thank you lisa. glad you have my back. you keeping an eye on that wackadoodle
angle for us?
how insane is she? who needs social security, medicare or education? if this wacko wins my
state i swear i will have to move! she may be dumber than plain! and that is tough to find!"
Yes, dumber than plain IS tough to find.
Why has no one mentioned that Anthony Weiner looks and acts exactly like Screech in "Saved By the Bell?"
He's too weird-looking for me to bother reading this - even for a laugh.
I'm thinking Weiner/Spitzer in the 9:00 time slot on CNN.
Do they think that we all are really so sensitive that we must have the words "hard" and "head" asterisked out of our dirty transcripts? I mean, I understand some level of asterisking in web writing, as it helps things get around overly restrictive firewalls. But really? Hard and head?
"I have no idea whether Huma Abedin objects to his fooling around like this. For all we know, she reads these written dialogues aloud to him and the 2 of them laugh about it. We do not know."
Me neither.
But I think I know what the odds are.
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"...a fantasy the hard-corn porn industry makes billions of dollars on selling to men."
If I had only known just how rife with misogyny my behavior was, I never would have even offered it to her. Especially when it got to the bottom of the box when all that were left were the old maids.
Very questionable judgment here on display in:
1. Kirsten Powers dating the Weiner; and
2. Her parents visiting Egypt. C'mon, nobody can say they weren't on notice.
We do not know.
So true! I'm sure she allowed people to reveal her pregnancy today. Apparently she and he are plotting his political comeback, according to friends, so...
So, we do not know.
Kirsten Powers parents were not visiting Egypt--she is married to an Egyptian doctor and his parents live in Egypt. Kirsten asked Weiner to help her Egyptian in laws get out of Egypt during the recent unrest.
Dating the Weiner does show extremely bad judgement and even worse taste in men however.
A. Shmendrik said...How is it possible to be more toast than "toast"? 6/8/11 5:38 PM
When it's toast-toast.
Chill out Kirsten, it could have been worse. I mean, it's not like you were physically intimate with the toad. What? Ewwwwwwwwww!
Nice analysis at Belmont Club
"The most tragic aspect of the Anthony Weiner story is that his fall comes directly from entree into a circle which he imagined it was an honor to join. No society of ordinary human beings is as treacherous as the club of the Great and the Good. And very few fraternities are as cynical as those which wear idealism on their sleeves."
More general than it sounds.
"I have no idea whether Huma Abedin objects to his fooling around like this. For all we know, she reads these written dialogues aloud to him and the 2 of them laugh about it. We do not know." Well, I do know. Weiner's entire week of lies was to fool his wife and no one else. If he hadn't been afraid his wife would find out, he would have brushed the whole thing off on day 1.
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