I didn't expect such a sharp slap in the face! The first thing that happens is the quote about truth disappears down the memory hole! Not a word about the excision appears at the site.
I wasn't the only one who called attention to the now-missing quote. James Taranto did:
It may be the most revealing quote ever published in the New York Times.... The Times has of late acted a great deal like a corrupt religious institution. This column has chronicled its often vicious and dishonest attempts--both on the editorial page and in the news sections, which Abramson will head--to shore up its own authority by trying to tear down its competitors....Instapundit did:
SO IF READING THE NEW YORK TIMES IS A RELIGION, then does that make Jill Abramson pope?Jay Nordlinger at the National Review did:
I was just writing a column for tomorrow. I was going to say something — not worth getting into the context right now — about not belonging to “the Church of the New York Times.”...
Wanting to take a break from writing... I checked the news. I was reading about Jill Abramson, just tabbed to be the new chief editor of the New York Times. I read this: “In my house growing up, The Times substituted for religion. If The Times said it, it was the absolute truth.”Deleting the quote is so pathetic. Abramson held the newspaper in such high esteem, then takes over, and behaves as if the story announcing her ascent is some sort of accidental tweet to be taken down before anybody sees it. But everybody already saw it! We're in the middle of talking about it! How about contributing to the dialogue? But no, we get coverup. As if the lesson hadn't be learned long ago: It's the coverup that gets you.
The instinct to delete... is that what Abramson would like us to think of as the mark of her leadership?
The Church of the New York Times seems to be one of those shame-based religions.
IN THE COMMENTS: Meade said:
The NYT was hacked!Maybe it was a prank. Can't say with certitude.
ADDED: In Politco, Burgess Everett carries water for the NYT"
Of the quote’s removal... Taranto wrote that the editing process was the likely culprit for the quote’s removal, but added: “It's obvious that an editorial decision was made to ‘rectify’ a quote that made the Times look foolish.”But if that were true, wouldn't the version with the quote still exist in the archive? I searched for the quote, using the NYT's archive search function, and what came up was:
Not so, Times spokeswoman Eileen Murphy told POLITICO. “Space was clearly a consideration,” as the story was used in the newspaper, Murphy said, adding that because the original version of the story was online all day, it needed to be freshened for the paper edition, which did not contain the quote.
“The entire story was rewritten after Jill, [publisher] Arthur Sulzberger [and editors] Bill Keller and Dean Baquet addressed the newsroom, swapping out nearly all of their old quotes for fresh quotes that came from their speeches. Everyone’s quotes in the second version of the story differed considerably from their quotes in the first version of the story,” Murphy said.
Murphy said the “religion” quote was on the Times’s webpage for nearly 12 hours before being replaced by the newspaper version. “This is just the revising, updating and condensing for space that happens every day at The Times,” she said.
IHTPressEngine v. 1.3.12 2011-06-02T12:49:18-0400 A legal fight ...Click on the link for a page full of code gibberish, not the original version of the article with the quote.
"In my house growing up, The Times substituted for religion,” she said. “If The Times said it, it was the absolute truth." ...
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The NYT was hacked!
Dumb, Dumber, and Dumbest
Pinch
Bill
Jill,
You order them as you wish
The scrub is particularly interesting given this from the story: "She stepped aside temporarily from her day-to-day duties as managing editor last year to help run The Times’s online operations, a move she asked to make so she could develop fuller, firsthand experience with the integration of the digital and print staffs."
No integrity. None. Their entire business is an artifice.
Having gone heretic from the Church of the NYT decades ago, I see no surprise here. But they used to be more deft at their manipulations. Must be due to the decline in quality of the J-schools, the Nuance/Innuendo professor must have retired.
This is the New York Times' version of moving the pedophile priest to a new diocese.
"The NYT was hacked!"
I wasn't aware Jill Abramson had a wiener . . . course I have never read the NYT.
The religion, Althouse, is the gay marriage/feminism thingee... that... you know... you subscribe to.
The New York Times resides in the doofus hothouse of the gay marriage/feminism religion, which is Manhattan. Madison is a bush league outpost.
You keep going round and round the Mulberry bush about this crap, but you never seem to question the core assumptions.
Could it be that there is something inherently corrupt and unworkable in this gay marriage/feminism religion?
You should mail a link to this blog entry to the Times' Public Editor and ask him to address this in his next column.
How can you be outraged at an institution which has already proven innumerable times it has zero integrity? Chuckle, mock those stupid enough to believe, move on.
It may be the most revealing quote ever published in the New York Times....
Second most revealing. The most revealing "quote" is the deletion of the quote. It says, "Who are you gonna believe? Me or your lying Google cache?"
How not to handle the trasition of power at the New York Times.
Anthony Weiner is praying this story has legs....hmmmmm.....legs, where's my cell phone!
To continue about that religion...
The reason the religion is centered in Manhattan and college towns is because the core belief is that there is no God given natural order to the universe. The artificial environment of an urban area lends itself to this belief.
In the small towns and rural areas, people see what's actually involved in food production and the manufacture of real things. They are thus less inclined to believe that everything is some sort of artificial construct. Every day they see that there is a God given natural order to the universe.
IN THE COMMENTS: Meade said:
The NYT was hacked!
Blogging about an internet editing scandal and we are the victims of an insider infomation trading scandal.
I mean, Meade's comment on the hacking was excellent, it wins the thread, but it was comment one. We outsiders have concerns that Meade gets to see the posts before they go up. Insider trading (what he gives in return? maybe he poses for pictures holding his junk?) anyway....
You guys, want to just trade posts, do it somewheres else. This is our blog and we want a ten minute rule on Meade. He can say all the bright thinks he wants, but needs to wait 10 minutes or ten posts first :)
Just Sayin....
As a child she may have perceived it as the absolute truth, but as an adult now she knows the limitations of news, but sadly given the spate of propaganda against the MSM, feels she has to retract that statement. I subscribe to the NYT because it is one of the few organizations in the world with a global presence and I will read reports from Dexter Filkin, now moved on, to get a more fine grained sense of events than is possible from TV news or local papers.
Several of us commenters made the pope reference well before Insty did. Is he stealing analogies from your commenters? Obviously he reads you and the comments.
Abramson is off to a rather inglorious start. No surprise, just more typical liberal crap.
Somewhat on the border of this topic, but a revealing insight to the underlying conflict, this recent post from Fred Reed.
I like his conclusion, which is:
The question becomes: Where is this leading? What does feminization accomplish? What can we expect of a nation run by and for women?
Fewer wars, just possibly. Declining international competitiveness as schools focus on therapy instead of integration of hyperbolic functions. Miserable little boys gagging down totalitarian niceness and Ritalin. Young men who see no point in going to fifth-rate universities rigged against them. And boredom. Oh god, the boredom.
Meanwhile Rachel Maddow calls Weiner a creep.
Is the NYTs even covering Anthony Weiner's wiener?
She toned it down a bit on the PBS Newshour:
I grew up here in Manhattan. And The New York Times was worshipped in my family. And what The Times said was true was the truth. And so, I became an avid reader of the paper as a young schoolkid.
And it seems scarcely believable to me that I will hold the top editorial position in the newsroom..
shouting thomas I can distill your argument to its essence: Cities are of the devil.
The sissy/commie view, as usual, from roesch-voltaire.
If only men possessed the ability to conspire against women. Women are masters at conspiring against men.
Men are stuck with the awful sissy/commies in their ranks, like roesch-voltaire.
Men must suffer with these traitors in their ranks. Women, on the other hand, have very few traitors. Althouse is beginning to lean in that direction.
"History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon." Napoleon Bonaparte
shouting thomas I can distill your argument to its essence: Cities are of the devil.
Evidently, you read Dilbert this morning.
I lived in San Francisco and New York City for 40 years. And, I like the devil. He's a man of wealth and taste. I'm on good terms with him.
Times readers are easily confused, and this is just an editorial rewrite to make the article clearer.
No doubt our resident Libtards will arrive shortly with MediaMatters talking points blaming the dastardly Breitbart.
"Is the NYTs even covering Anthony Weiner's wiener?"
They better not try, or they face possible arrest.
Anthony Weiner's damage control team has come up with a novel new way to intimidate and control media coverage. They've gotten the Capital Police to harass reporters if those reporters show up to his office to get him to answer questions.
CBS News Reporter Marcia Kramer came under intense police harassment and was threatened with arrest yesterday by Weiner's damage control team.
CBS2News: "After Kramer left Weiner’s office, his staff called the Capitol Police. Police officers asked for identification. One cop told Kramer that if she went into Weiner’s office and didn’t leave if she was asked, she could be arrested."
CBS2News: “'If you go to an office and are asked to leave, you can be placed under arrest,' Officer Michael Miller said."
CBS2News: "Kramer responded, 'But I wasn’t refusing to leave.'”
So, it wouldn't surprise me that the New York Times isn't able to send reporters to the office of a sitting Democrat Congressman to request an interview with Anthony Weiner. If they did that, Anthony Weiner's staff would call the Capitol Police and the police would begin official harassment of them, including threatening to arrest them.
The Capitol Police are out of bounds and are verging on illegal harassment of journalists.
They need to stop enabling Rep. Weiners practice and pattern of practicing his mental illness of exhibitionism by sending obscene photographs of his penis to young girls on the internet.
He's sick. He needs mental health treatment ... not enabling behavior by rogue cops.
given the spate of propaganda against the MSM,
Pfffft!
An offhand quote, down the memory hole. The now unworthy words excised, like the Soviets used to do with photos of the prominent who fell from grace, literally erasing the past.
NYTimes = Pravda
But then, since Walter Duranty printed lie upon lie, it was ever thus.
Bet you never thought you'd have to do screen-grabs of the NYTimes for evidence. But now you know.
nevadabob,
How many news organizations, or organizations of any kind, are currently bidding on your proof re weinergate?
We are living in interesting times for the Times. Maybe they will hire a psychic to channel stories that declare who are the Dragon-Enemies of the People and who are the Saint Georges sent to courageously slay the Dragons. Stories like that worked foe AlGore who founded the Global Weather Controllers Religion. Fine lot of Atheists they are.
Several of us commenters made the pope reference well before Insty did. Is he stealing analogies from your commenters?
Doubtful. My experience is that these kind of remarks occur simultaneously around the net.
It happens alot in the science world too. 3 people seperated by oceans (pre-internet) make the same discovery, independently. Usually within weeks, sometimes days of each other.
There's a name for this phenomenon, but I forget it atm.
"And The New York Times was worshipped in my family. And what The Times said was true was the truth. And so, I became an avid reader of the paper as a young schoolkid."
Total Bullshit. There is NO WAY anyone who truly believed this would be party to what she has done.
"I love the NYTs because it pays homage to Truth... oh wait, let me censor this part of the paper"
Charlatan! Heretic! She should crucify herself.
Is this the same NYTimes that covered for indicted Democrat VP nominee John Edwards?
MIB had it right.
My daughter-in-law is an Obama supporter. She only reads the NYT, and whenever I mention something negative about him, she says she never saw that in the Times. She doesn't suspect that she is not getting the full story.
There's a name for this phenomenon
Convergent development?
A few years back, there was an NYT Sunday piece about Mt Rainier. The first lines were about what the male writer wore...and it devolved from there. It came from the gay church and it had some facts, but it was arrogant and condescending. I just wanted to read about the mountain.
Hey NY Times: Go out on the beat...assholes. There's news all over that city...plenty of injustice, crime, back room deals, good works, sports teams, Wall St., the same old stuff. Keep up the war reporting and maybe trot the stable out to the pasture and shoot Modo right there in front of the whole staff to show them you're not fooling around
In my opinion, you've become shamlessly biased political lackeys, gender equality absolutists, gay fashion ideologues...but aside from that, please just take off your tiny ideological goggles, take a breath, get on the internet and report the news and quit moralizing.
Althouse, because I love to get a rise out of the girls, I'm going to elaborate on your personal dilemma.
Gay son... blue collar husband.
This is dragging you in two directions.
The blue collar husband thing is causing you to question the man hating BS that you learned from the feminists when you were a kid in Manhattan. Probably also causing you to question the BS history of white male privilege.
The gay kid thing keeps you in the "we ought to give gays whatever they say they want so they'll be happy" camp. That's just another kind of loyalty.
Not unusual. Women commonly espouse feminism and play the fag hag when they're single, particularly in cities like NY. When they have kids, especially male kids, and move to the suburbs, they often become Republicans overnight.
So, on a personal level, you're torn between obedience to the religion, and heretical thoughts. Which will win out? Or will you continue in confusion?
Until now, I didn't know that truth could be edited. It's good to be all powerful.
The Drill SGT is right! I propose a 7-minute waiting period on Meade comments...
"If The Times said it, it was the absolute truth."
At the NYTimes, the truth is a game of Three card Monte.
Now you see it, now you don't.
If you go to the NYT article, and open the comments, you find this one, #14 from KarlQ:
"In my house growing up, The Times substituted for religion,” she said. “If The Times said it, it was the absolute truth."'
This explains a lot! Thanks for confirming the suspicions of many of us out here in the real of the world.
They had better get in those comments and scrub them too.
I told you religion doesn't exist!
These people kill me. Or they'll try - watch.
They just can't hack it,...
Other Shoe Dropping
Politico: "Two people who spoke to Weiner privately said he had suggested that, as one said, “he took or sent a photo or photos like this at some point ...”
So, Weiner is coming clean now and having his anonymous damage control team admit to reporters that he has a pattern and practice of flashing young girls his erect penis on the internet.
He now admits that he has, many times in the past, sent obscenely lewd photographs of his erect penis to young girls on the internet.
This is a mental disorder. It's called "exhibitionism" or "flashing." Weiner has an official sexual disorder long recognized by mental health professionals.
What Is Exhibitionism: Exhibitionism is a sexual disorder. People with this disorder are sexually aroused by showing their sexual organs to others. People who have this disorder may masturbate while they expose themselves, but do not usually try to touch their victims.
If you have this mental health sickness, you can get help here:
http://goo.gl/zP6Q3
Anthony Weiner needs help. He is sick with a known sexual disorder that can be treated.
But not if everyone keeps enabling his sickness by "protecting" him.
We need to call the hospital.
Anthony Weiner needs a doctor.
Anthony Weiner needs to be admitted.
Even Anthony Weiner deserves treatment. The best doctors forced insurance mandates can buy.
He should be treated like any other mental defective - with medicine or perhaps electroshock therapy.
But he'll never get that treatment if nobody will call an ambulance.
If The Times said it, it was the absolute truth
the thing is, you have to delete something like that, for it reveals you to be a fool. like sending out a dick tweet. and the masses might start to question the judgement of dick tweeters.
Hmmm... hard to wage a propaganda campaign when the other side has all of the propaganda outlets. That is what mainstream media means if it means anything. What do they have going against them? A single TV channel and a bunch of people sitting around in their pajamas swapping opinions.
And yet they feel besieged. I guess the only thing I can say to that is... GOOD! The biased bastards deserve it.
Jill is now paying for all of the past sins of the paper she had the bad judgment to worship when there was no access to dissenting opinions.
A single TV channel and a bunch of people sitting around in their pajamas swapping opinions.
A point of order, sir. I'm clad in only a bathrobe and tube socks.
The Ministry of Truth never rests.
Jill is now paying for all of the past sins of the paper she had the bad judgment to worship when there was no access to dissenting opinions
I hope she suffers. These people aren't just incompetent, they are deliberate liars. She's just another little eichman sitting in a cubicle across from Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984.
Hanging is too good for them.
Oh, what dumbheads. Everyone would be done talking about this by now if they'd left it alone. I particularly enjoy the contrast between the religious insistence that what's in the Times is the "absolute truth" and this absurdly clumsy effort to generate an acceptable truth by editing.
Me, I get all the news I need from Gateway Pundit. Confederate Yankee and Jammie Wearing Fool close seconds.
"A point of order, sir. I'm clad in only a bathrobe and tube socks."
Tweeted pic or it didn't happen.
See? Maguro and I had the same point, less than a minute apart. I couldn't see his post while I was typing.
All the Dogma Fit To Print!
ST...You know it's not mutually exclusive to love a good man who respects you and at the same time to treat gay folks as entitled to love and respect. That is less difficult than to postulate that those two categories must always be at war. Men can still be men, it just takes a little more effort.
Tweeted pic or it didn't happen.
I do need to get around to setting that up. Honest and for true, though. Still up from a marathon SISI session messing with the new CQ (very clunky so far) and such. Still haven't been able to get a GM move me down to the FN area.
Garage: Me, I get all the news I need from Gateway Pundit. Confederate Yankee and Jammie Wearing Fool close seconds.
Retreat into snark, fine.
But why do you bother with the MSM? If you're going to read fiction, I could name a 100 books that would be more entertaining.
I said this here some years ago, and was lucky to have Insty grab it:
"If your stock broker lied to you about Enron, would you still use him? And yet, people continue to rely on Information Brokers like CNN and the NYTs..."
"Not a word about the excision appears at the site."
This is big.
Best commnent (partial) so far:
""Who are you gonna believe? Me or your lying Google cache?""
-Martin L. Shoemaker
Me, I get all the news I need from Gateway Pundit. Confederate Yankee and Jammie Wearing Fool close seconds.
Garage, next time you're in STL, I'll introduce you to Jim Hoff. I'm sure he'd love to hear your feedback.
I believe it's Jim Hoft. If I ever did meet him I would ask him about that howler of a post where he photoshopped a bullseye on an old Dkos post, and presented it as real.
garage,
I'm not sure where you're getting your news from now, but, wherever it is, it ain't doin you any good.
By the way, garage, what do you think of the Times deleting part of the story? Does it matter to you?
How bad are things at the Times? "'I wanted to move on when the newsroom felt strong in its journalism and secure in its future,' Keller said in a statement."
http://beta.news.yahoo.com/york-times-names-abramson-first-woman-editor-151205170.html
ST...You know it's not mutually exclusive to love a good man who respects you and at the same time to treat gay folks as entitled to love and respect.
Where did I say that gay folks aren't entitled to love and respect?
I did say that women with gay kids tend to fall into the we ought to give gays whatever they say they want so they'll be happy camp.
You are correct, GM. Hoft it is. Typo on my part. Swing on through. I'll set up a meet at the only place you'd want to be anyway. At the Hooters in Union Station. Under the shadow of the Arch and overlooking the horrible overpriced and overdressed Hard Rock Cafe.
How shameful that the integrity of Editor of the once upstanding Grey Lady has shrunk to that of grey boxer briefs.
Hope you'll be taking the choo-choo to St Louis, garage. The CHI - STL route is an extension of the extremely popular Hiawatha Line, you know.
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Abramson/Isaiah 55:8-9
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I can't wait for other text abuse scandals to come out. This should be quite humbling for the church of NYT.
All the news that fits, we print
(but only if it fits our agenda)
Fen - sometimes I wonder. In this case the pope analogy is obvious. But, there are programs that scan the Internet for nuggets of information and terms in order to discover what the topic of the day is. I found one of these when checking Sitemeter once.
The first time I wondered about something like this was four years ago when a post I wrote referred to shmoos. Two days later, Jonah Goldberg referred to a shmoo. I don't think I've seen a reference to shmoos in a blog post before or since.
Shmoos are from Al Capp's comic strip, Lil Abner. Someone my age, 60, had plenty of years to read Lil Abner. Johah Goldberg was 10 when Al Capp died. Yes, he could have read Lil Abner, or seen it in his studies, but the odds are less likely and the coincidence intriguing.
Judge Bans Prayer At Graduation
Ooops! I thought that was the NYT story,...
MadisonMan jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. "Whither is the NYT?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him---you and I. All of us are his murdochers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea of ink? Who gave us the crumpled wad of paper to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this anchor from its mores? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all Sun's? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infine nothing? Do we not feel the tweets of empty cyberspace? Has the globe not become colder instead of warmer? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to kindle lights in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the blogdiggers who are burying the NYT? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Newspapers, too, decompose. The NYT is dead. The NYT remains dead. And we have killed it.
Well, I used your post prominently: '
New York Times Scrubs Jill Abramson's 'Substituted for Religion' Quote from Executive Editor Announcement'.
You are correct, GM. Hoft it is. Typo on my part. Swing on through. I'll set up a meet at the only place you'd want to be anyway
Almost made it to St Louis last month for a conference. I have some business in St Louis, I'll contact you next time I make it down. I just looked for a train btw Chicago and St Louis - $24 and a 5 hour trip. Not too bad actually. I could actually get some work done on the way, and not have to get x rayed or groped.
Not too bad actually.
Did they say it's an express? The last time I took one (couple years back) it was more like 6+ due to the stops in Illinois.
As a child she may have perceived it as the absolute truth, but as an adult now she knows the limitations of news, but sadly given the spate of propaganda against the MSM, feels she has to retract that statement.
Come on guys, you can let this one go! "the spate of progpaganda against the MSM"? Roesch-Voltaire obviously doesn't understand that the central source of propaganda in any society is the media! That's how propaganda works! Jill Abramson, the editor of the most-read newspaper in the world is afraid of criticism and backlash? Welcome to the job.
She sits down with a friendly reporter in a planned interview, makes the statement that her paper was like a religion for her in her youth, fully aware it is going to be printed. Then when people call her out on the stupidity of her statement, she doesn't even respond to it she just deletes it. Oh the power of being editor at the NY Times. You get to define reality however you want to.
This is no case of "gotcha" journalism...
Maybe the quote just miraculously disappeared. Two more of those ( only one of which can be a card trick ) and somebody is headed for sainthood!
Did they say it's an express? The last time I took one (couple years back) it was more like 6+ due to the stops in Illinois.
I looked at the Lincoln Service.
It took me 8 hours to fly from Mlke to Atlanta last month. And another 7 hours to get back. Not kidding.
Ignorance is Bliss wrote:
Maybe the quote just miraculously disappeared.
Miracle, Mystery, Authority!
It took me 8 hours to fly from Mlke to Atlanta last month. And another 7 hours to get back. Not kidding.
And how long would it take for a choo-choo to go MLW - ATL, hmmm? More or less than 7.5 hours on average?
The NYT's editors would never try to delete a quote from the print edition, because they know once it is published it is on record. But the smartest people on Earth, Manhattan, elitist, liberals, don't realize the same thing applies to the internet.
One little girl's dream had finally come true. She was trying to share her personal joy with the grown ups.
Not long thereafter, she realized that in our world today, there's no time to talk about little girl dreams any more. No one seems to care.
"EDIT"
"The NYT is dead. The NYT remains dead. And we have killed it."
A little boy's dream?
@Penny: My dad used to work for Madison Newspapers Inc. as a printer. They published both the Capital Times and The Wisconsin State Journal, even though both had distinctly different news editors, reporters, and especially editorial views.
He'd bring home both papers every night and read them both. Other families would get just one or the other. As a boy, I asked him once why he did that and he told me that he wanted to get both sides of every story.
I've never looked up to single news source as the gospel truth ever since.
@Penny P.S. An alternative theory is that he just wanted to see how the advertisments and stories that he help paste together as proofs (for both papers) looked in final form. ;)
If The Times said it, it was the absolute truth.
I assume they deleted it because it implies that that isn't true now.
Is Abramson the one with the funny accent? I only saw her on TV with Mayer about their crappy C Thomas book, and don't remember which was which.
Chickenlittle, I did most of the pasteup for my college weekly for a year and a half. Yes, you do want to see how big a hash the printers made of your work (it's always all their fault).
@RalphL:
"Pasteup" That's a word I haven't heard in a long time. Absolutely correct word choice though.
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