Russ Feingold at the Wisconsin Capitol last Sunday:
And a few weeks ago, here at the Capitol:
"It's not over until we say it's over." That's the political theory. Meanwhile....
Unions representing public workers in Wisconsin filed a lawsuit in federal court on Wednesday to block the state's new curbs on collective bargaining... [claiming] the controversial measure is unconstitutional because it creates two classes of public workers in the state -- those covered by the new rules and those exempt from them.What? Treating police differently from teachers is supposed to be an invidious discrimination under the Equal Protection Clause?! There's no suspect or quasi-suspect classification, so the courts will give this minimal scrutiny. How is this anything but a frivolous lawsuit?
Blutarsky/Feingold marches on.
NOTE: The "Animal House" epilogue tells us what ultimately happens to each character, and the biggest joke is that Blutarsky becomes a U.S. Senator! (Thanks to Bruce Hayden, in the comments, for reminding me of that.)
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I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
And they're just the guys to do it.
Men in capris also deserve derision.
Manpris.
He has a point. The frivolous law suits for delaying changes are not over until Feingold says they are over.
Alinsky rules: Use their own rule book against them.
The goals is to wear you down, drip..drip..drip...drip until the system gives way to let them have their way.
Personally, I think it would be great if the courts agreed...and said everyone in the pool...the new pool under the new law.
Then we could observe how well solidarity works, when one group brings down the other.
Game over. There's no way the public employees can lose now that the Madison stagehands and projectionists have expressed their support.
The lady with the blue jacket and long grey hair looks like she was sent from central casting in response to a call for an "aging liberal with a look of concern."
MadisonMan, I've given this a lot of thought; and your Delta Tau Chi name is...Fence-squatter.
Remember that in the final scene, Blutarsky became a Senator. Could his name have really been Feingold?
The case seems to offer a good opportunity for the courts to refudiate their degree of scrutiny nonsense when it comes to civil rights violations.
There should be only one degree of scrutiny: All laws infringing on civil rights should be overturned unless they serve a "compelling state interest."
In the actual case, however, the court would then logically find that compelling union dues is illegal since it violates the rights of unwilling workers with no compelling state interest in forcing unions on everyone.
Glad they have the money to do this.
DENIAL
There's no recovery if you're stuck in DENIAL. Which is the first stage of grief.
You know, when the WHIGS went down the toilet (on a chicanery played by Henry Clay, Speaker of the House. When he tossed out Andrew Jackson's 1932 victory. And, handed the presidential prize to the son of John Adams.)
John Adams, our President #2, was the first ONE-TERMER! His son also served only one term. And, Andrew Jackson ZOOMED BACK IN ... And, old man. To win the next two presidential elections. 1836. And, 1840. Henry Clay's WHIGS got squashed like a bug.
You know what Old Hickory meant, don't cha? Fans of Andrew Jackson, so upset at the STEAL ... would go into communities ... and plant HICKORY TREES.
We just don't teach history, anymore. Bastards took it over to lie. And, then make kids memorize dates. And, crapped on our history.
Oh, after DENIAL. THere's ANGER. Maybe, that's where freaks like Russ Feingold are now. (But Feingold's no Henry Clay! He's just a sore-loserman. Which is what happens when senate seats pass from under your tuchis. To someone else.)
Of course, Teddy's seat flew out under great fanfare. Did you see his Catholic funeral? Stinker didn't deserve that, either.
Will our history books ever be reclaimed?
Except that we'd look on Sen. Blutarsky w/fondness & envy
Having a hot wife - he must be Berle'd.
And he'd be having a ball on our money.
related....
Best Movie Line Ever-
We had real Hope long before it became a slogan for zombies.
If there's Federal "equal protection" standing here, perhaps the Wisconsin statutes governing state employee bargaining privileges should have been "void ab inito" for unfairly exceeding the privileges granted to federal employees?
Frivolous law suit? Not so fast. An Obama-appointed District Court Judge is assigned the case. Sumi redux anyone?
Public sector unions are milking the Dairy state. Teachers and clericals, soured and curdled from not getting their whey, now clamor for homogenized milk.
Of course, you left out the best line, Ann.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no."
Forget Feingold, he's on a roll.
Browndog/
Boy is it EVER!
Should be an integral part of every GOP PR campaign.. LOL!
"Frivolous law suit? Not so fast. An Obama-appointed District Court Judge is assigned the case."
The unions have a special fund specifically to file frivolous lawsuits. They can keep this thing in court forever.
Feingold is correct. It's never over. There's no way - short of another Civil War - to stop them and they know it.
They've decided we won't go that far.
Ugh. I have had it up to here with Madison.
Is there anyone willing to bring lawsuit on behalf of the taxpayers?
So, is this still what democracy looks like?
How is it different than tyranny?
Let me guess, Meade picked the "best clip"...
In any case, I'm so thrilled. Someone was actually listening!!
It's like having your story published in Penthouse Forum (except, of course, it's true)...
Feingold? Reminds me of Flounder.
Refuse to watch Feingold clip - did he rouse the troops by saying
"it's not over until we have exhausted all legal appeals and nuisance lawsuits!!" ?
And no way does that liberal pussy boy remind me of Blutarski.
The biggest joke was that -- was it Otter? -- one of them became a gynecologist. That's what got the biggest laugh, as I recall.
"It's not over until we say it's over." That's the political theory.
All this means, I think, is that the current (see picture) grey-haired reflexive-leftists protesting about it will still think it's "a battle" in 30 years when they're totally doddering.
Just like the rejects of the early 70s do now.
Well, also, it allows all sorts of wonderful mockery the next time things seem to go their way; just throw that line back at them and watch them blithely pretend it's totally different because they're on the side of right and you just can't say that, you anti-Democratic monster.
Feh.
Of course its not over. Nothing in this country is over until the courts say its over.
I'm sure the unions can find the right Federal district judge who will rule their way. And then its up to our Philosopher Kings on the Court of Appeals or the Scotus to decide.
The Blutarsky/Feingold Democrats remind me of the confused Japanese sailor on Gilligan's Island who doesn't know the war's over (here getting smacked around by Ginger/Fitzgerald Republicans).
T- man said "...she was sent from central casting in response to a call for an "aging liberal with a look of concern."
Thanks for the laugh!
Per Twitter, there are a few idiots who chained themselves to something inside the WI Capitol today. What a sad collection of trash these people are. Go home, go get a job, go on a date, do something, for chrissakes!
John Belushi was funnier (and had a better delivery)
But as I said before, the protesters need a deathmobile.
How odd--and revelatory--that so many here--all or most of whom seem to of the "America is Great" crowd and are, I presume, working people--see fit to deride other American citizens and working people for exercising their First Amendment rights to petition the government for redress of their grievances. How odd, also, the scorn that is heaped by (presumably) working people on other working people who are simply trying to protect their stake in "the American Dream," (that is, jobs with decent wages and benefits) by striving to protect their rights to collectively bargain for their own working conditions. This is the essence of participatory democracy in action!
Agree or disagree with their aims, (I agree with them, as if that needed to be said), all Americans should applaud their right to take action and their interest and vigor in doing so.
Did you all similarly disdain the Tea Party gatherings?
Another great line from "Animal House", that I'm sure in some way applies to the situation in Wisconsin.
Otter's speech in the student court is also a high point. Yes, he became a gynecologist in Beverly Hills.
tits.
Cook, you know you're being dishonest, so I shouldn't waste my time. But what the hell, the WI Unions/protesters are THE GOVERNMENT refusing to obey the will of the people. They embody the worst instincts of all totalitarians. The sooner they are flushed down the national shitter, the better off we'll all be.
This is where you have to see that Sarah Palin made a good decision for the state of Alaska and it's citizens by removing herself.
She saw the endlessness of the lefts desire to use the system and cost the state money, time and the attention to governance...and did the egoless thing by opting out. While it seemed like a win...they drove her out...she was able to see that the real win at that point was stopping the grinding down of the state's governance life.
All of those suits were directed at her personally, very different than at legislation here in Wisconsin. Repubs need to just stay focused and keep rolling along, remain commited themselves to rule of law, follow the rules, don't get cute and the people will stay with them.
So I guess we can mark down Lincolntf as a hater of America and of democracy.
Uh huh - if they were a private company, I could choose whether or not to pay for their product.
However, with their product, I lose my home if I don't pay...
If I speak up, my kids get blackballed.
Politics is personal, especially in this case & in this market.
Those who stoked the class envy - r now on the receiving end.
Aren't we all in this together?
How odd--and revelatory--that so many here--all or most of whom seem to of the "America is Great" crowd and are, I presume, working people--see fit to deride other American citizens and working people for exercising their First Amendment rights to petition the government for redress of their grievances.
No, you ignorant slut, we are not criticizing them FOR expressing themselves, we are criticizing them for the insipid content of their expression.
P.S. Lawsuits are not actually what the First Amendment was about.
Robert Cook said...
So I guess we can mark down Lincolntf as a hater of America and of democracy.
What do you mean "we"? You speak only for yourself around here. You always have and you always will.
But you are part of a greater whole, as much as you despise it.
No, you ignorant slut, we are not criticizing them FOR expressing themselves, we are criticizing them for the insipid content of their expression.
And the puppets, never forget the puppets.
A hint for Robert Cook: mocking them is also freedom of expression. Why do you hate democracy?
Lefties always want the freedom on their side, but never for anyone else.
Cook, you know you're being dishonest, so I shouldn't waste my time. But what the hell, the WI Unions/protesters are THE GOVERNMENT refusing to obey the will of the people
How the hell do you know what the will of the people are in Wisconsin? Walker not once mentioned any of the union busting legislation just passed when he was trying to get elected. There hasn't been one poll showing any majority support anything he is trying to do, aside from maybe cream puffs.
No Robert, I served my country, these people are demanding that their country serve them. Rationalize it all you want, but you're either ignorant, evil or an intellectual coward. No other options exist.
Soooo...I guess no one here can explain how they can "love" America while hating democracy in action.
Thought so.
This is classic leftist thought: it's only "democratic" if the lefties win.
Animal House was a long time ago. The moral and intellectual standards of our Representatives and Senators have deteriorated to the point that Mr. Blutarsky would no longer wish to be among them.
Robert Cook, you're the only one here hating democracy. I know you'd like to use rhetorical thuggery to suppress our freedom of speech, but it's not gonna happen.
"to protect their rights to collectively bargain for their own working conditions. This is the essence of participatory democracy in action!"
The First Amendment provides freedom of assembly and association as well as freedom of speech. And so, the right to form and join a union is presumably protected.
BUT free speech surely does not include a right to force others to listen to you.
And so, although government employees will remain free to bargain individually or collectively, units of government within Wisconsin have no obligation to bargain with them (except as established through statute).
And that, too, is democracy in action. For, who should determine what behavior is acceptable for on-duty government employees- their union, or the People, through their elected representatives? Who should determine what level of staffing is appropriate- those who pay for it, or those who provide it?
“Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service … The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives” – Franklin Delano Roosevelt
aside from maybe cream puffs.
And not even that.
Frozen Custard! Frozen Custard!
No Robert, disagreeing with someone or even calling them stupid is not the same as hating them. Unless, of course, you're into the drama king/queen school of political expression.
In Cook's Dictionary, "freedom of speech" means people like him are free to speak, and the rest of us are supposed to shut up.
Feingold and the Dems want to see King Obama's runaway high Speed Train to bankruptcy. The GOP and Scott are spoiling their fun of getting to watch that and other train wrecks, which would then require ever more crisis management done by your helpful Government employees.
garage yelled: How the hell do you know what the will of the people are in Wisconsin?
Wisconsin is arguing the difference between having it all and halving it all. The balance between private and public interest is nationally compelling. Don't yell at people in front of the cameras or you'll end up looking even more like Vancouver.
Who's Feingold?
Watching Garage and Cook tantrum out is great. Your skeevy-ass attempt to subvert the Constitution has resulted in defeat, humiliation and tears. Get used to it, fellas.
wv: moroser
Who's moroser today, Weiner or garage?
@Carol Herman: Andrew Jackson lost the election of 1824, not 1832-- or 1932.
Jackson carried the elections of 1828 and 1832.
After Van Burne's holdover in 1836, that means "Henry Clay's WHIGS" actually won it in 1840.
No, they don't teach history anymore. Just took it over with memorization of dates.
What was your point supposed to be anyway?
This is not the citizens seeking redress of grievances from the gov't. This is the government negotiating with itself to determine how much they're going to take from the citizens. Or to put in terms of the employee/employer relationship -- here we have employees negotiating with other employees to decide how much they're going to take from the employer, with the employer never getting a say.
Oh, we do get a say at the ballot box, but the employees have determined to ignore the ballot box and keep on doing what they want to do.
garage yelled: How the hell do you know what the will of the people are in Wisconsin?
We took a vote. We wanted to rid ourselves of Democrats and to a large extent, we did. We didn't want Kloppenburg, and so she didn't get elected. We are repeatedly going to the ballot box to tell you whiny bastards what we want.
How many more times do we have to vote against Democrats before it'll sink in?
How many more times do we have to vote against Democrats before it'll sink in?
Why is it the GOP is running fraudulent Democratic candidates then, do you wonder? It will cost the state money. Not a show of confidence
The continual beat downs have made this one of my favorite comment threads ever. Keep it going, I'm about to eat lunch and could use some more reading material!
Mr. Cook;
working people who are simply trying to protect their stake in "the American Dream," (that is, jobs with decent wages and benefits)
I bet one of the many disagreements I'd have with your statement is "decent wages and benefits". The teacher benefits were better than the average worker. I assume you don't equate "decent" with "better".
And don't you think "Its' not over till we win" is an anti-democratic statement. Particularly if the "we" is in the minority?
Feingolds mannerisms reminded me of someone, but I couldn't place it at first. I played it 5 or 6 times until it hit me: Paul Soglin.
Why is it the GOP is running fraudulent Democratic candidates then, do you wonder?
Same reason the Democrats started doing it? Didn't we cover this ground sufficiently yesterday, GM?
Same reason the Democrats started doing it?
Democrats in this state aren't running fake candidates.
Just heard that ethanol subsidies are D-E-A-D in the Senate. This week just keeps getting better and better.
Why is it the GOP is running fraudulent Democratic candidates then, do you wonder?
Gives us twice as many Dems to defeat? Makes it clear we don't even want the Dems we picked?
PS Ex-MadtownGirl: if you like beatdowns, you need to visit Ace's place
"How odd ... to deride other American citizens and working people for exercising their First Amendment rights to petition the government for redress of their grievances."
Bullshit.
We have no problem with them doing this. We do have a problem with them doing it in UNCONSTITUTIONAL ways.
They are VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION. The Supreme Court accused this judge of "usurping" the legislature.
We will not allow your side to act illegally and unconstitutionally.
Exercise your rights, but the moment you step across the lines of legality and constitutionality you're fucking done for mister.
We will come at you with all that force necessary to fucking stop you.
"Democrats in this state aren't running fake candidates."
There's no such thing as a "fake" candidate. Anyone who qualifies for the ballot is free to run because this is America, fuckface.
If you don't like it, run for office and propose a law.
Otherwise, I'd remind you: There's no crying in baseball you fucking pussy.
Gives us twice as many Dems to defeat? Makes it clear we don't even want the Dems we picked?
They aren't Dems. They're Republicans.
Why is it the GOP is running fraudulent Democratic candidates then, do you wonder?
making you live by your own rules. thanks Sal!
"Just heard that ethanol subsidies are D-E-A-D in the Senate. This week just keeps getting better and better."
I thought Coburn's amendment failed. ???
".....other working people who are simply trying to protect their stake in "the American Dream," (that is, jobs with decent wages and benefits)..."
They still have decent wages and benefits. I'm not too keen when these "workers' are petitioning for better benefits at ny expense.
As for the tea party, I listened to your side deride them as old, white racists so your screed is rather rich.
I know this make rule of law Republicans laugh out loud, but running zombie candidates may actually break Wisconsin law.
According to Wisconsin statute 12.13(3)(a), no person may file a declaration of candidacy "knowing any part is falsely made." If a candidate claims to support a party he or she does not actually support, that candidate is in violation of 12.13(3)(a).
It is a Class I felony.
hahaha I know. I'm sure they have nothing to worry about.
garage wondered: Why is it the GOP is running fraudulent Democratic candidates then, do you wonder? It will cost the state money. Not a show of confidence
It strikes me a ploy to foil a ploy. But remind me again why the first round of recall elections is happening and why the R and D recall elections are on different days. Is the first round going to be like a "Super Tuesday"?
Gives us twice as many Dems to defeat? Makes it clear we don't even want the Dems we picked?
They aren't Dems. They're Republicans.
That's lovely. No Democrats on any ballots! Music to my ears!
O Mike, it did, but I guess they got another bite at the apple.
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/166869-feinstein-wins-headline-senate-votes-to-kill-ethanol-tax-break-tariff-protection
MSNBC: "Weiner, 46, had been at a treatment facility at an undisclosed location since last weekend."
This claim is completely unattributed and is a lie by MSNBC and its wire services. Anthony Weiner was not at any treatment facility since last weekend. He's been in New York staying at a friend's house until his wife came home. He has neither sought, nor received, any "treatment."
"I'm sure they have nothing to worry about."
That's right.
We don't.
It strikes me a ploy to foil a ploy.
for the 100th time. Dems aren't running zombie candidates. Republicans ARE. I know it's your job to defend virtually any Republican and what they do, but at least get the basic facts straight?
"Why is it the GOP is running fraudulent Democratic candidates then, do you wonder? It will cost the state money."
What are you talking about?
And the latest from the Capitol:
Capitol Police Bring in Special Saw to Free Protesters
They actually locked themselves to the Senate gallery with u-shaped bike locks attached to their necks.
garage mahal said...
Democrats in this state aren't running fake candidates.
Ahhh... So tactics are somehow magically restricted to state boundaries?
I happen to agree with you that this tactic is slimy; but it's common in both parties, despite your pretense of purity.
At no point since the Walker election can the democrats say they succeeded in doing something to undermine his plans..
And yet they keep trying.
BTW is anybody keeping a list of the utter face losing, failed fiascoes these liberals have engaged in?
Does it take something special to be a Dem? Don't you just "say" that you're a Dem, as in register as a Dem?
Is there some test? Can't be anything that requires anything more than sub-average intelligence and morals if it's for Dems, now, can it? So anybody can be a Dem! For any election! Looks like more democracy to me!
"....Soooo...I guess no one here can explain how they can "love" America while hating democracy in action...."
You're not very bright are you? Criticizing is now the new lefty definition of hate? Sure is hard.keeping up with all the new memes but the leftwing is adept at rewriting the rules to fit their stupid ideology.
For someone who consistently professes his disdain for this country, you must have shattered your irony bone.
@garage I mean, why the hell did the Dems force elections in July in the first place? That's the root cause of the whole mess.
@Lincoln: Thanks. But it looks like ethanol is not over 'till the porkers say it's over.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Sterling Hall?
Dems aren't running zombie candidates. Republicans ARE.
There is no such thing in real life, Garage, as a "zombie." Hate to break it to you kid, but the internet has been punking you.
People are free to run for political office. Republicans are free to run as Democrats. Democrats are free to run as Republicans. Independents are free to run as Communists.
Welcome to America. It's a free fucking country.
I notice YOU aren't running for office. Why not put yourself on a ballot and see if anyone will vote for you?
You're just mad because now we're playing your game and we play it better then you ever did, and you're losing, so naturally, being the fucking pussy you are, you want to change the rules in the middle of the game, just like all pussies of yore who were losing try to do.
Face it ... you're a little pussy boy. Your little vagina is leaking pussy juice and getting a mess all over our floor.
Man up, lady. Quit your incessant fucking whining and present an argument. Defend a stance. Advance a position. But don't sit here and think you're going to lecture us about zombies.
There's no such thing as a fucking zombie.
Only real, living candidates for public office from which registered voters may choose.
We'll see who they choose and who will lose.
What are you talking about?.
Republicans, blessed by Scott Fitzgerald, are running fake Democrats in their primaries. Classy eh?
@garage I mean, why the hell did the Dems force elections in July in the first place? That's the root cause of the whole mess.
The GAB set the dates, not Democrats.
Dems aren't running zombie candidates. Republicans ARE.
There is no such thing in real life, Garage, as a "zombie." Hate to break it to you kid, but the internet has been punking you.
People are free to run for political office. Republicans are free to run as Democrats. Democrats are free to run as Republicans. Independents are free to run as Communists.
Welcome to America. It's a free fucking country.
I notice YOU aren't running for office. Why not put yourself on a ballot and see if anyone will vote for you?
You're just mad because now we're playing your game and we play it better then you ever did, and you're losing, so naturally, being the fucking pussy you are, you want to change the rules in the middle of the game, just like all pussies of yore who were losing try to do.
Face it ... you're a little pussy boy. Your little vagina is leaking pussy juice and getting a mess all over our floor.
Man up, lady. Quit your incessant fucking whining and present an argument. Defend a stance. Advance a position. But don't sit here and think you're going to lecture us about zombies.
There's no such thing as a fucking zombie.
Only real, living candidates for public office from which registered voters may choose.
We'll see who they choose and who will lose.
They actually locked themselves to the Senate gallery with u-shaped bike locks attached to their necks.
Is that weirdo neck-bearded guy amongst them I wonder? Mr. ejected-for-handsignalling-Ben-Masel-wannabe?
They actually locked themselves to the Senate gallery with u-shaped bike locks attached to their necks.
Well! That makes a difference! Made me change my mind, it did. Now I don't care how much I have to pay in taxes. Just make sure Wisconsin's teachers have everything they can think of, please.
/s
What is the logic, anyway?
nevada bob said: pussies of yore
hysterically historical.
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garage said: The GAB set the dates, not Democrats.
No, I mean why did the Dems force the special elections in the first place? Why didn't they just organize a stronger fight for the next regularly scheduled election? Seems to me that the Dems lose based on election fatigue.
Republicans running as democrats. Communists running as democrats. Are there no democrats running as democrats?
Seems to me that the Dems lose based on election fatigue.
I mean, I wouldn't blame the typical Wisconsinite for being fed up with the whole permanent campaign/permanent election.
It's a push back the Dems created.
Madison tourism deserves to suffer.
"Madison tourism deserves to suffer."
Good. Stay away. Nothing to see here. You'd hate it.
Walkerville strikes me as a "permanent campaign."
Original Mike said...
Good. Stay away. Nothing to see here. You'd hate it.
*Sigh*
"....Republicans, blessed by Scott Fitzgerald, are running fake Democrats in their primaries. Classy eh?..."
Well if even you know they're fake it should not matter unless Democrat voters are even dumber.
Well, we do have a zoo downtown at the capital. People can come a gawk at the animals.
Good. Stay away.
I was just at Union South to get an ice cream. Oy, what a line. I passed.
"...Why didn't they just organize a stronger fight for the next regularly scheduled election?..."
Why not just move to Cuba or Venezuela since the political and economic systems of those countries are more in line with what Democrats want?
Just heard that ethanol subsidies are D-E-A-D in the Senate.
Conflicted! The corn-grower (tangentially) in me is sad. I'm glad from an environmental point of view.
However, there is dead, and there is dead in the Senate dead. They are not the same.
I've never actually figured out which crop brings in more money -- the corn or the soybeans. I should ask the manager.
They actually locked themselves to the Senate gallery with u-shaped bike locks attached to their necks.
When they go to those extremes, shouldn't they be declared "danger to self and others" and quietly institutionalized?
'Animal House' is probably the funniest 30 minutes in film ever - too bad it lasts 2 hours.
Added: I still miss Belushi (the funny one). That he died and Robin Williams lived simply shows there is no God.
Good. Stay away. Nothing to see here. You'd hate it.
Agreed. Hard enough to find parking or a seat at a restaurant as it is.
rcocean said...
'Animal House' is probably the funniest 30 minutes in film ever - too bad it lasts 2 hours.
I bow to your wisdom and your pithiness. You've just put into words what I've been trying to say about this film for 30 years.
wv: billycat. I can't make a joke of it, but it's kinda funny on its own.
Sorry, MM, but we can no longer afford to keep you in the style to which you've become accustomed.
I love the opening scene in Animal House where they are panning around campus. They pause at a plaque on the side of a stately building which says:
"KNOWLEDGE IS GOOD"
Hard to argue with that.
Speaking of restaurants, garage, thanks for talking me into giving David's Jamaican another try. Went last week, and it was good.
"Agreed. Hard enough to find parking or a seat at a restaurant as it is."
Is it just me, or is the amount of road construction even higher than usual this summer?
And can someone explain to me why Madison hates people who make left turns? Leave the State DOT and try to turn left onto Segoe? Nope. Leave La Brioche and try to turn left onto University? Nope.
Why all these annoying islands that prevent you from making a perfectly safe turn at 7 AM on a weekend?
Traffic planners really don't plan.
"...And can someone explain to me why Madison hates people who make left turns?..."
Good question considering how many commies you have living there.
The republicans in WI ought to go for broke. The left/unions are now going the fed litigation route? Give them something to chew on, pass a right-to-work act and take the collective bargaining measure one step further an ban civil service workers union at both the state and local level. That way there are no privilidged civil service workers in WI.
"Traffic planners really don't plan."
Of course they do. You don't really think they can cause this level of inconvenience without working at it, do you?
Speaking of restaurants, garage, thanks for talking me into giving David's Jamaican another try. Went last week, and it was good.
Lunch buffet or dinner? They're good people, and could use the biz I think after the construction on Monona Dr put a dent in their traffic.
I sent you an email by the way
All these comments and no one has said the classic Animal House line?
"You fucked up! You trusted us!"
Apply as you will...
"Did you all similarly disdain the Tea Party gatherings?" - Robert Cook
Say, nice red herring you got there, Bobby.
OK, let's follow your logic. I am in need of a healthy pay increase and some kickass benefits, and I want to dig into YOUR pockets for the funding. I'm sure you won't object, lest you play the hypocrite.
Just another rube who can't distinguish between public and private sector...
Not a surprise to see liberal fascists like garage & cook resorting to the unAmerican card.
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@Hoosier
"Why not just move to Cuba or Venezuela since the political and economic systems of those countries are more in line with what Democrats want?"
I've often wondered why progressives seek to trash their very own neighbors, communities and country in lieu of doing exactly what you suggest.
A dog tied to a post soon learns not to shit in his area of confinement. Wish progressives were as sharp.
wv - bolti
I wishi progrssivi would bolti the countri.
Unions representing public workers in Wisconsin filed a lawsuit in federal court on Wednesday to block the state's new curbs on collective bargaining... [claiming] the controversial measure is unconstitutional because it creates two classes of public workers in the state
I'm waiting for a prominent Republican in WI (hopefully the Governor) to state:
I disagree but now that you bring it up....
Because it is the same issue and certainly California demonstrates how police and firemen can get "undeserved" and outrageous pay and benefits too.
Ron;
All these comments and no one has said the classic Animal House line?
"You fucked up! You trusted us!"
Apply as you will..
See my comment at 12:26.
I demand an apology
Wisconsin statute 12.13(3)(a),
I'm not familiar with declaration of candidacy forms. Do you have to swear allegiance to the party platform or something?
Otherwise, what false statement in particular do you suppose is on those forms?
And don't you think "Its' not over till we win" is an anti-democratic statement.
"ALL" votes must be counted.
& We'll keep counting until we win
See Franken & Chris Gregoire
bootch? LOLOLOLOL
Those are not capris/manpris, they are "plus fours". Normally worn with calf-high socks in more northern climates. Good for mountain climbing/hiking/rock climbing, as the knees are protected, while allowing maximum flexibility and heat transfer. Unfortunately, English dandies (esp. stoopid King-who-abdicated for an American gay divorcee) popularized the plus-four variety. They are sometimes called knickers here, but in Oz, knickers can mean something else.
Knickers are a practical, functional clothing choice for vigorous outdoorsmen. If you're laughing at somebody wearing them, it's because you're not man enough to wear them yourself.
"A hint for Robert Cook: mocking them is also freedom of expression. Why do you hate democracy?" - Martin
"Free speech for me, but not for thee" seems to be their motto.
"maybe cream puffs" - garage
Yum, I love State Fair cream puffs...
Madison: And can someone explain to me why Madison hates people who make left turns?
Right turns use less fuel. Seriously. Mythbusters did an episode and were surprised by it. So Madison is only allowing right turns "to save the Planet". Ha. Enjoy.
"...I'm not familiar with declaration of candidacy forms. Do you have to swear allegiance to the party platform or something?..."
I think for Democrats all you need to do is sacrifice a taxpayer.
andinista said...
Knickers are a practical, functional clothing choice for vigorous outdoorsmen.
And also mandatory clothing for modern sport fencing. (But fencing knickers are supposed to taper tightly to the leg, and so are perhaps a little more capri-like.) My knickers have saved my from injury from a broken blade, so I'm pleased with them.
Mixing movie metaphores: Dogs running as cats, cats running as dogs. We're looking at an election of BIBLICAL proportions! If that puppet was a Twinkie, it'd be the size of a city bus! -cp
wv: pations: I would have spelled it right, but I was in a hurry.
"That's a big twinkie."
Possibly the shortest and funniest line in GB. Not just for the humor of the line itself, but more for Hudson's delivery. I have always thought he should have been used more.
Do you have to swear allegiance to the party platform or something?
One protest candidate, James Smith, worked for Walker's campaign and was a delegate at the Republican Convention. He said his candidacy is "for the fun of it" and was arranged by the state party. Just a FYI to anyone contemplating sending money to him
Right turns use less fuel.
For a tightly-constrained experiment, yes, with lots of traffic around. That's not the case in Madison at 7 AM on Saturday.
AS far as restaurants go, I heard there's a Roman Candle going in somewhere downtown. Excellent news!
One protest candidate, James Smith, worked for Walker's campaign and was a delegate at the Republican Convention. He said his candidacy is "for the fun of it" and was arranged by the state party. Just a FYI to anyone contemplating sending money to him
He should have said it was "for the lulz"
"I bet one of the many disagreements I'd have with your statement is 'decent wages and benefits'. The teacher benefits were better than the average worker. I assume you don't equate 'decent' with 'better'."
I equate "decent" with whatever the workers have been able to negotiate for themselves and which allows them to pay their bills and have disposable income left over. Whether any particular school employee is making more money than any particular private employee is irrelevant. The oft-repeated "fact" (sic) that the teachers are awash in riches and drive bejeweled caddies as they sneer at their less-well-paid privately employed peers in the community does not suffice as a convincing argument against their legitimate desire to retain their collective bargaining right--or even as convincingly factual in its own right.
"And don't you think 'Its' not over till we win' is an anti-democratic statement. Particularly if the 'we' is in the minority?"
Not at all. This is the nature of democracy. Rights won must always be defended every generation against being lost.
Moreover, it's an aspirational statement and is meant to keep those in the fight from becoming discouraged.
Finally, benefits enjoyed by the majority typically are first fought for and gained by a minority. The outcome of the various fights for workers' rights around the country will foretell the treatment all American workers can expect in future. As it is, we're rapidly becoming a nation of unemployed or underemployed serfs to the financial elites. Rather than scorning those who have good pay or benefits and who are fighting to keep them (or the right to continue negotiating for themselves), we should all be demanding the same rights and have the same expectations for ourselves.
I'll have to look into it more, before I have an opinion of the "protest candidates." But I consider the whole recall thing illegitimate, so my initial take is "tough titties".
Give it, up Robert, yuo'll never be able to recast these power-mad scumbags as anything other than what they are: the worst of the worst in American politics. A disgrace to free people, and those yearning to be free, all over the world.
Tea-tards are too spineless to take on cop and fireboy unions--
but they can get away with bullying schoolteachers, who in general have real educations and training, unlike the--cops, who might have the Police Academy cert., or at least some family member or congregation crony to get them on the Force (google "nepotism", rube). Moral of the story? Stupidity pays off.
But I consider the whole recall thing illegitimate, so my initial take is "tough titties".
Of course.
"Is it just me, or is the amount of road construction even higher than usual this summer?" - Original Mike
It's not your imagination; Doyle is no longer raiding the Transportation Fund, so our roads are actually being fixed. Any wonder why the Local 139 supported Walker?
We just had an election, garage. They are scheduled at regular intervals. Recalls are for dealing with malfeasance, not because you didn't like the outcome of the last one.
"It's not your imagination; Doyle is no longer raiding the Transportation Fund, so our roads are actually being fixed."
Well, that's good. Roads need to be maintained. But it sure is a pain in the ass.
But I consider the whole recall thing illegitimate, so my initial take is "tough titties".
When the governorship recall spooled up back in '03, I wasn't familiar with the in's and out's of recalls in the various states' constitutions. By the end of that race, it became clear that recalls, as a practice, are shitty ways to conduct governance, however, good they may sound on paper.
Just for the record, GM, I felt that way long before the WI dust started kicking up. I'm not an anti-recall bandwagon guy.
Walker admitting he wanted "to drop the bomb" on Wisconsin the week after the Packers Super Bowl win is malfeasance enough for me to recall him.
Walker's not standing for recall, is he?
"Walker admitting he wanted "to drop the bomb" on Wisconsin the week after the Packers Super Bowl win is malfeasance enough for me to recall him."
That's bullshit. It's a policy dispute and you know it.
"But it sure is a pain in the ass."
Indeed. Around here it seems like even the detours and alternate routes are under construction.
Well, you know what they say about the 4 seasons in Wisconsin...
Almost Winter
Winter
Still Winter
Road Construction
There are certain commenters that tend to automatically scroll past— ones who are repetitive, or have no sense of humor, or are predictable, or who are anger trolls, or who are unintelligible, or who are bigots, racists and/or gay-haters... "J" fits into all those categories, and I don't think I've read more than two words of his for a long time.
But today I got an idea... since he serves up some of the most inscrutable, vituperative word salads this blog buffet has to offer, perhaps his comments could be made more interesting and more readable if they were translated. Now, I was unable to figure out what language he writes in, so using Google Translate, I took his most recent comment and translated it into French. Then I pasted the French into the translate box and translated it back into English. Then I translated that English into German, then the German back into English, then the English into Arabic, then back into English, and so forth, until I arrived at something that started to make sense. Behold!
Tea as the backbone of the owl care of Album of the unions, police and fire all over the children -
But they can get away from the masters of intimidation, usually in the education and training, the real, as opposed to... There could be the police and the police academy, and the certificate, or at least some members of the family or the community of favoritism, to access a group (Google "cronyism" naive man). The lesson of the story? Stupid fees.
I have always thought he should have been used more.
They would have but Reitman is a racist and wouldn't give him equal time. Hell, I'm surprised the script didn't call for Ernie just carrying around a mop and cleaning up ectoplasm.
But Ghostbusters did have the perfect quote to sum up public employee unions and Democrats in general.
Ray: Personally, I liked the university. They gave us money and facilities, we didn't have to produce anything! You've never been out of college! You don't know what it's like out there! I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*.
Walker's not standing for recall, is he?
He will be.
I'm not an anti-recall bandwagon guy.
I agree. Electing a shitty candidate should be like a bad hangover to remind you not to be such a doofus at the polls the next time.
Hopefully the 4 year headache of President Mompants will sober the majority up in 2012.
I equate "decent" with whatever the workers have been able to negotiate for themselves and which allows them to pay their bills and have disposable income left over.
I agree. The problem is the 'workers' aren't negotiating with the taxpayer, you know, those other workers who are actually, you know, paying the bills. Instead that negotiate with the state who in turn uses said power to tax the other workers to pay for those 'decent wages'.
Because of course, its all for the children.
How many signatures do you need to recall the governor?
Palladian, that was funny.
I thought it would translate to:
"Duh"(drools on shoes).
"J said... Tea-tards are too spineless to take on cop and fireboy unions--
but they can get away with bullying schoolteachers, who in general have real educations and training, unlike the--cops, who might have the Police Academy cert., or at least some family member or congregation crony to get them on the Force (google "nepotism", rube). Moral of the story? Stupidity pays off."
Translation path: English-> Greek-> Arabic-> English-> Russian-> Welsh-> English-> Arabic-> Welsh-> Dutch-> English-> Finnish-> Arabic-> Welsh-> English =
Delays and weak tea with a very personal, police and fire unions of the son.
But we can not stop the drunken teachers at all- educated, informative, but no - the police, who can be certified academic police, and at least part of the immediate families or groups in power (Google "neutral" pale-face) They are teaching the history of stupidity.
rcocean,
Added: I still miss Belushi (the funny one). That he died and Robin Williams lived simply shows there is no God.
No, it just shows that Robin Williams wasn't stupid enough to OD on whatever he takes.
How many signatures do you need to recall the governor?
Approx 550k
Approx 550k
Should be a piece of cake. Hell aren't there like 500K public employees in Wisconsin?
Well, get ACORN on it.
I will not sign zee papers, Hoosier.
J says:
"Tea-tards are too spineless"
Must have inspired the 14 tools that ran off to Rockford when the going got tough.
"schoolteachers, who in general have real educations and training"
Those in education seem to think, because they study education, that they are so deserving of their salaries for being so educated.
The education curriculum in every state is a joke, and anyone who has a pulse can get an education degree, and then go on to get a ridiculously high salary for that degree.
And the school administrators at every level are even worse. The unions would rather stick to their guns, and keep their high salaries in Wisconsin, than save programs that benefit their kids. Admin cares even less about saving programs.
"No, it just shows that Robin Williams wasn't stupid enough to OD on whatever he takes."
Belushi never learned "everything in moderation". He should have stayed away from speedballing and stuck with bong hits.
Palladian,
That was funny. Thank you.
I admire your your tireless effort and dedication.
I sure ain't got it; I just scroll on past.
I will not sign zee papers, Hoosier.
Vee haf vays of making you zine!
Those shorts are clam diggers. Clams are big part of WI economy. Using the liberal fascist thought police to determine real democrats is violation of equal protection. Many democrats are not liberal facists. Last few election have shown many are tea party
democrats.
Phil:
Sorry, no apologies. Links are insufficient; put the text in the comment itself!
But good on ya for saying it!
oooo the Atards worried about the poor kiddies being mistreated by the nasty commie teachers. Golly
Maybe the kiddies should like take classes out at the klan bunker with Herr Palladian, learn to salute the Fuhrer and Bud and Noog posters, cook dope, pack some semi ammo??? Yeah somethin' like that. Edu-ma-cation, the Tweekhouse way
@Palladian: Thanks for a good laugh!
J said: oooo the Atards worried about the poor kiddies being mistreated by the nasty commie teachers. Golly
Maybe the kiddies should like take classes out at the klan bunker with Herr Palladian, learn to salute the Fuhrer and Bud and Noog posters, cook dope, pack some semi ammo??? Yeah somethin' like that. Edu-ma-cation, the Tweekhouse way
Translation path: English-> Vietnamese-> Japanese-> English-> Portuguese-> French-> English-> Czech-> Danish-> Japanese-> English-> German -> Japanese-> Latin-> English =
Communist treatment of the poor, and the poor kiddies oooo That is to immediately make use of the master. He.
Welcome to Clan-Palladian in Scripture, and posters of Hitler and research shops. Noog drains the pot. I would like to know about the cellar of the cell for which it's sold? It is well. EDU-MA- cauterized Le Tweekhouse boulevards
Ah Palladian, thanks for the good laugh. You in your Hitler Tutu, and a good tweek buzz at the TP-log cabin bunker with yr masonic comrades. You nasty girl
( yo Ahouse--perps...piss test soon, and harvesting your HDs, and your illegal weapons. Won't it be fine. Miss Nap's. on to you as well)
Klan bunker??
Hitler?
We're not dems/lefties, J - that's your side.
It's amazing what they don't teach in History anymore.
The problem is conceptual. Reasonable people see each political event as a self contained mattter in which a conclusion is reached and life goes on. Such people look to live in peace and make positive assumptions about the good will and good sportsmanship of those that oppose them. They see opposition as being linked to an issue and therefore temporary rather than to a condition that will never change. The lesson is that after every victory such as the recent one in Wisconsin every method conceivable must be employed to keep these folks on the run. No rest, no quarter, no compromise. Hectoring, pursuit, confrontation, marginalization, scorn, economic reprisal, etc. It must be tireless, broad gauge and conducted with no limit in sight. Better to give the losers no rest than to let them regroup.
Wrong again, trash. The Klan and Hitler are the right-wing, regardless of what yr little libertarian jerkoff role models belch. Then add tweek, yr kiddie shit, illegal weapons, who knows what else. RICO, even. Capichay sodbuster? Herr Frau Profesor Annie or Foxscum won't help you.
Sad, eh, trash? then yr mama's white trash ho-pussay was sad too.
I find it interesting that when Republicans lose, they're supposed to get all introspective and think about the message that the voters have sent them. When Democrats lose, they're expected to fuss and carry on like two-year-olds who just heard the word "no" in the fond hope that Mommy and Daddy will give in.
There are times when I look at a Democrat giving a speech and wish I was present with a cream pie in my hand.
That J. He sure is exhibiting a great intellect here. His name calling is really raising the level of discourse tonight.
J and Robert Cook are just showing the Obama/Feingold method of political activity, which is murder your opponents.
No surprise that Obama, the Bill Ayers/Weather Underground disciple, would support and endorse bombing public locations filled with innocents. That's how Obama fascists like Robert Cook, Wisconsin schoolteachers, and J work.
So Robert Cook, since you and your fellow Obama/Feingold Party members are threatening to murder Republicans and their families and bomb public buildings, how should we respond to you? Feingold supports murder and killing innocents to get his way; why should we not treat him as a criminal for such behavior?
Drew: No one can sue them on behalf of the taxpayer because the courts would deny the person doing the suing as not have "standing". We must rely on our elected officials to do that for us.
I'm wondering what all this tells us about school boards and county boards who quickly rushed through new contract extensions. An acquaintance of mine is the president of the local school district's para-educator union. After they spent a solid weekend or two re-negotiating a contract, her comment was "Our board came through for us." What? I thought the school board was there to represent the taxpayer, not the unions. But then in this district, the unions had campaigned heavily in the previous election to get a board favorable to the unions.
School administrator don't want to fight the unions, so they give in on things such as seniority and evaluations.
Is "fake Democrat" an oxymoron?
This represents what happens over and over: conservatives think an issue discussed and voted on is settled. Progressive-socialist-democrats think an issue discussed and voted on is just the first draft, and they keep coming back until they get what they want. They are willing to take something, any thing, to kick their agenda down the road until it takes the final form they want. As bad as the Health Care Reform act was, it is just a prelude. The socialist-democrats want a single payer system. Bankrupting all the private insurance companies is just one step on the way.
Yes CubaGuy: Make the whole state a Right-to-Work state. No public sector unions at all.
They will never stop doing this. They will disregard the will of the people, legal precedent, the Constitution, and all bounds of reason, propriety, and decency to get their way on this. Because if they don't, half of the money flowing into the coffers of the Democratic Party will vanish.
This is also why they will go to the mat against tort reform forever, no matter how many blameless doctors or corporations are victimized by the scum-sucking pirates of the plaintiff's bar. Take away the government employee unions and the lawyers, and the Democrats will be bankrupt tomorrow.
Kick 'em while they're down, I say. We should be diligently and strategically working to bleed them white.
How could smart democrats fall for a fake democrat? I think Garage is having his fun with us.
J Loughner: Wrong again, trash. The Klan and Hitler are the right-wing blah blah jerkoff belch blah shit blah sodbuster? Herr Frau Profesor Annie blah Foxscum blah trash? blah white trash ho-pussay blah
/always wanted to say this:
Consider the source.
The best part? J doesn't realize he has an FBI file.
"Hitler are right wing" - J
Hitler was a Socialist, but thanks for demonstrating you failed History. Anarchist my ass, commie douchnozzle.
I didn't mention the Klan because I didn't want to point out your racism. On top of your homophobia. Engaging intellectual midgits like you would be equivilant to beating up a cripple.
Moese. (google it in German).
BTW, Trooper, I need to thank you for the term "douchenozzle". I always used the term "douchebag", but "douchenozzle", the part that actually goes up the hoohoo, fits J to a tee. In fact, I've worked it into my vocabulary to the point that I have other people using the term over the C.B.
Thanks.
In fact, I used it just the other day. Some douchenozzle was stupid enough to call a female laborer on the jobsite a "bitch" over the C.B. After I tagged him as a douchenozzle over the C.B., 6 other guys followed suit.
There's been more than one time I've stuck up for women on the jobsite. Homey don't play that. I don't care if you're black, Hispanic, or you have tits. I love working with people who are brutally competent. I care not of what variety.
Don't forget that the Justice Department denied a community in North Carolina when they asked to have nonpartisan community elections. The reason was that 'African-Americans wouldn't know who to vote for if they weren't identified by party'. So, no, I don't think they can identify a "fake Democrat". But I erred, I asked if that was an oxymoron, and I was wrong. (I've been traveling, and am road weary.) "Fake Democrat" is redundant. (Man, did I have the wrong word!)
Don't be too hard on yourself, Milwaukee. I think "real" democrats died out many decades ago. All we have left are socialist hacks.
Public schools are a monopoly. As such, they should be treated like other regulated monopolies such as the local phone companies and electric utilities. The latter have a Public Utilities Commission that sets their rates. School monopolies should be subject to PUCs as well, and would not be able to increase their funds unless they can justify the rate increase.
"Public schools are a monopoly."
As are parents.
So, all in all, how has THAT... "breaking up"... worked out for us?
"That's how Obama fascists like Robert Cook"
DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!! WRONG! X gets the square and you lose.
I am no fan of Obama and didn't vote for him...he's just another Republican, serving the interests of the financial elites and the Pentagon easily as much as Bush did. Also like Bush, he's a war criminal and mass murderer.
More lunacy from North Dallas Thirty:
"...since...Obama/Feingold Party members are threatening to murder Republicans and their families and bomb public buildings, how should we respond to you? Feingold supports murder and killing innocents to get his way...."
Hahahahahaha!! Did you just decide to type whatever apeshit horseshit that came into your mind? It sure seems that way.
Is "fake Democrat" an oxymoron?
No, I think it's a redundancy.
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