... talk about what you like. I'm working on a slightly complicated insight into the Wisconsin Supreme Court story, and I don't like to keep you waiting for the first post, but I need to take a few extra minutes with this. I woke up realizing something. Look back at my posts about the incident from yesterday, and maybe you'll see it too.
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Wisconsin folks are really nice
Doo Dah, Doo Dah
But make 'em mad and all bets are off
Oh De Doo Dah Day.
Physical Fighting Justices on the Supreme Court!
Comparing the Governor to Mass Exterminator Hitler!
Doesn't EVERYONE want to live like that ?
Oh De Doo Dah Day
Bradley says Prosser choked her
Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Ann Walsh Bradley issued a statement late Saturday saying that fellow Justice David Prosser choked her and disputing claims that she attacked him first.
"The facts are that I was demanding that he get out of my office and he put his hands around my neck in anger in a chokehold," she said. "Those are the facts and you can try to spin those facts and try to make it sound like I ran up to him and threw my neck into his hands, but that's only spin.
"Matters of abusive behavior in the workplace aren't resolved by competing press releases," she said.
"I'm confident the appropriate authorities will conduct a thorough investigation of this incident involving abusive behavior in the workplace."
So why didn't she file a report with the police or press charges?
This entire incident, and Justice Walsh Bradley's latest comment, are entirely reminiscent of the Weiner episode.
If what is alleged actually occurred, why not press charges? Who are these "authorities" that she claims are investigating the incident?
BTW, we never learned the name of the lawyer Weiner claimed to have retained to investigate the alleged hack, nor did he ever name the security firm he later said was also investigating the hack.
This has gone on long enough! I'm sick of all the effing maneuvering and debating.
Settle it with fisticuffs! Madison has one of the great gladiatorial arenas... Camp Randall Stadium.
I propose that each side select 100 of its best fighters to duke it out. Prosser vs. Bradley, of course, would be at the top of the fight card.
I want a piece of garbage. Mano-a-mano.
Let's duke it out! Repubs vs. Jackasses. Real men vs. the commies!
Bring it on!
California may have happier bovine cows, but when it comes to Chief Justices, before California gets too uppity, we have to remember Rose Bird.
a chunk of wiki:
Her tenure on the Supreme Court was controversial. She was criticized as an ideologue who substituted her personal bias over the law and state Constitution. Her widely perceived personal versus judicial opposition to the death penalty was a particular sore point for her critics. She was first up for confirmation in 1978. There was a campaign waged against her, which she did not respond to. However, on election day, it was charged that the court decided to withhold the publication of a controversial ruling until after the 1978 vote.[The ensuing controversy generated considerable press coverage but, by then, Bird had been confirmed by a 52% to 48% margin.
Bird was also controversial among the Associate Justices on her own court. In a 1998 oral history interview, Stanley Mosk explained that Bird was a bright and intelligent judge but a terrible administrator (one of the Chief Justice's major responsibilities); she did bizarre things like forcing all the Associate Justices to make appointments just to talk to her for any reason.
Bird was the first and remains the only Chief Justice to be removed from that office by a majority of the state's voters. California justices are selected by the governor but must be regularly reconfirmed by the electorate; prior to Bird, no California appellate judge had ever failed such a vote.
She was removed in the November 4, 1986 election by a margin of 67 to 33 percent after a high-profile campaign that cited her categorical opposition to the death penalty. She reviewed a total of 64 capital cases appealed to the court. In each instance she issued a decision overturning the death penalty that had been imposed at trial. She was joined in her decision to overturn by at least three other members of the court in 61 of those cases. This led Bird's critics to claim that she was substituting her own opinions and ideas for the laws and precedents upon which judicial decisions are supposed to be made.
A lovely fern.
Several years back, I found a clump of these at the yard waste site, just sitting amongst the leaves and grass clippings, soon to be compost.
I took them home and have enjoyed them ever since.
Today is another day of getting rid of stuff around the house. And while some plants are facing eviction, the painted ferns are not.
As with Weiner, the interesting fact is that this justice is NOW accusing someone of a crime that she has not reported to the police.
Reporting false crimes to the police is a crime in itself.
Remember Anthony Weiner? He refused to file any complaint with the FBI over his alleged "hacking" attempt because he knew that doing so was itself constitute a felony.
Judge Bradley also has refused to file a criminal complaint. If she has been savagely attacked as she claimed, then why has she not filed any complaint with the police?
Is it because filing a false police report is itself a crime?
This entire story is filled with contradictory evidence. The original hit piece by the George Soros-funded Wisconsin Center for Yellow Journalism could not even state with any certainty the DAY this alleged event took place, despite claiming to have three eyewitnesses to the event.
It was a shoddy piece of hit journalism and constituted in my mind an extreme case of deliberate libel with malice aforethought. Not even Judge Bradley would confirm that an event took place in their original reporting.
This is a Democrat Party-funded hit piece. And a shoddy one at that.
Judge Prosser must stay OUT IN FRONT of this story and all the facts have to be put out despite any professional courtesy getting in the way.
An conspiracy involving criminal acts is being perpetrated by the Soros-backed groups. It is high time that the Democrat Party affiliated unionized police force got off their fucking asses and did their jobs.
James said...
So why didn't she file a report with the police or press charges?
Obvious. For the same reason Weiner didn't. Step 1 is where the Police make you sign a sworn statement that locks you into a set of facts.
he problem is that, though she may have other friends on the court who were there, none of them is invested enough in this ploy to make such a statement on her behalf.
@Drill Sgt.
Obviously the left hasn't learned from the Weiner episode. This too will end badly for them.
I think I see it. She threw goose shit on him.
WJS: "(Judge Bradley) charged (Judge Prosser) with fists raised," the source said. Prosser "put his hands in a defensive posture," the source said. "He blocked her." In doing so, the source said, he made contact with Bradley's neck."
This is the most interesting and salient fact of the Journal-Sentinel reporting on this story and a fact deliberately left out of the libelous hit piece by the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism.
After all, Judge Bradley is claiming now that Prosser grabbed her around the throat (a crime she did not report to the police).
But she is strangely quiet about how he came to be close enough to her to get his hands around her throat and place her into a "chokehold."
Why is she silent on how he got that close to her?
Is it because SHE charged at him with fists raised ... as the eyewitness reported to the Journal-Sentinel?
she is also strangely quiet about the reactions from the OTHER justices in the room at the time of this event.
If Justice Prosser jumped across a desk and began throttling Judge Bradley (as they'd have you believe) then why would the other justices sit idly by and allow such an outrageous crime to take place?
Nobody called the police?
Nobody is reported to have restrained the "enraged" Judge Prosser?
This story has more holes than Swiss cheese and the facts simply do not add up to an unprovoked criminal attack on Judge Bradley.
But a crime is occurring.
A conspiracy among leftist groups is occurring. Crimes are being committed in the furtherance of this conspiracy to undermine a sitting State Supreme Court justice.
Behind the scenes, many individuals aligned with George Soros are working together in a criminal enterprise to undermine this judge and a wide-ranging investigation of these people needs to occur.
@Chase
Godwin's Law is alive and well in Wisconsin.
(S)he did it.
Bradley wasn't smart enough to charge him with an unwanted sexual advance, a charge which no man can defend against.
Prosser better not be in any room alone with any woman at work for any reason. They have aimed to get him out, and now that the hook failed, the crook will have to do.
What a wonderfully dysfunctional state you have there. Progressives do not play well with others. They will try to take the ball and go home if they are not winning. They will claim they were not really trying and that the other kids were cheating. Because they are generally nerdy and clumsy, they will fall, hurt themselves and say one of the other kids pushed them down. They will say the most important think is to work together, but only on their terms.
Progressives are spoiled and naughty children, with money.
A lot of folks are pointing to a lack of police report as "proof" that Bradley is lying about what happened. Since Meade never filed a police report or pressed charges, does that mean it was a lie when he said protesters assaulted him?
So Bradley charged Prosser first?
Is Bradley having her "Kloppenburg Moment"? She quickly gets out in front of the story, declaring she's in the right and Prosser is the loser. In the end will we find out that just the opposite is true?
One of the ways that a Justice can be removed is by the Legislature. If Bradley did attack first then having a hit piece on Prosser published might be an attempt to immunize herself politically.
The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. This is what the left doesn't believe in, and tries to prevent at all costs.
Gee, I wonder if Abrahamson is the unnamed source supporting Bradley's version of events...
The idea that differing opinions amongst members of an appellate panel of any kind could lead to physical confrontation between them is disturbing in itself. Seems that one or both behaved poorly if not childishly.
If it was as brutal an attack as Bradley is now saying, why the delay in reporting it? Why did it take "anonymous witnesses" to drag it out? Seems just as possible that the attack was not as characterized, but someone (i.e., one of the anti-Prosser witnesses) spotted an opportunity for Democrats, who are till smarting from losing their all-out effort to stop Prosser's was re-election, to, as Byron York says continue "that campaign by other means." The witnesses could be pressuring Bradley to join the battle and exploit the opportunity. Pretty sad state of affairs, somehow reminiscent of Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill, in the level partisans will stoop to get their way at all costs.
All the goose poop in the water has made Madisonians goose shit crazy.
purplepenquin said...
A lot of folks are pointing to a lack of police report as "proof" that Bradley is lying about what happened. Since Meade never filed a police report or pressed charges, does that mean it was a lie when he said protesters assaulted him?
No, but if I wanted to accuse a named individual of assaulting me, it would certainly help my case if I had filed a report.
By the way, purpleanonymousunnamedperson, I did file a police report. In fact, I filed two police reports. As far as I know, at least one of those cases is still under investigation.
Does Gloria Allred have an office in Madison?
Ann Althouse said...
I'm working on a slightly complicated insight into the Wisconsin Supreme Court story, and I don't like to keep you waiting for the first post, but I need to take a few extra minutes with this. I woke up realizing something. Look back at my posts about the incident from yesterday, and maybe you'll see it too.
In fiction, this is usually followed by an exclamation of, "Quick, Meade, the game is afoot!".
@G Joubert said...
Wow, I read some of those WJS commenters. What a bi-polar crowd.
"I wonder if Abrahamson is the unnamed source supporting Bradley's version of events."
This is how the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism works: They're using "anonymous sources" as a shield in order to hide the partisan political leanings of the sources involved.
It's patently unethical and is the worst sort of Yellow Journalism.
Six state Supreme Court Justices were in the room at the time Judge Bradley bum-rushed Justice Prosser and he was forced to defend himself against her violent and illegal physical attack.
Not one of these cockroach hacks sourcing this story to the George Soros-funded Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism has the decency or balls to identify themselves because the moment they do then it all becomes clear what this is all about.
Judge Bradley should be forced to resign. She has brought extreme dishonor on this court with her violent attack.
We have six of the best eyewitnesses in the state of Wisconsin who were in the room at the time of her attack on Judge Prosser ... every goddamn one of them an officer of the Court.
They have a legal, moral and ethical obligation not just to tell the truth, but to tell the WHOLE TRUTH and to do so in a transparent way that does not bring disrepute onto the Court.
I'm confident, based on the reporting I've seen by the more independent Wisconsin Journal-Sentinel (which is not a Soros-backed hit squad) that the facts will eventually emerge.
And I'm confident these facts will demonstrate a criminal physical attack occurred against Judge Prosser and that Judge Bradley committed a crime which demands her resignation from this court and her ultimate disbarment.
" ...if I wanted to accuse a named individual of assaulting me, it would certainly help my case if I had filed a report."
But she didn't file a report. And that is significant.
But nevermind ... six Supreme Court justices were IN THE ROOM at the time Judge Bradley attacked Judge Prosser.
You could not assemble into one room any more competent eyewitnesses. Someone moved towards someone in an aggressive manner.
Now who moved?
Did Prosser jump across a desk and grab Judge Bradley by the throat, as she'd have you believe?
Or did Judge Bradley move towards Judge Prosser in a angry and physically violent manner?
The police have a job. And that is to investigate crimes. If Judge Bradley moved in a violent and aggressive manner against a sitting Supreme Court Justice then the police have a moral, legal and ethical obligation to arrest her ass.
Just because you hold high office does not mean you are above the law and it's looking more and more like Judge Bradley believes that she can solve with physical violence those issues the left have been unable to resolve through the ballot box.
Out of staters commenters ...there's no publication called WJS or the Wisconsin Journal Sentinel. Its the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Freeman Hunt said...
Gee, I wonder if Abrahamson is the unnamed source supporting Bradley's version of events...
I wondered the same. And now I'm beginning to wonder if purplepenquin's real name is Shirley.
James said...
"Out of staters commenters ...there's no publication called WJS or the Wisconsin Journal Sentinel. Its the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel."
True and helpful. There is also a publication, WSJ - Wisconsin State Journal.
So, then, I can stop looking around for the comments on the Wall Street Journal piece I thought was being referenced?
Wait, is that chick judge related to Crystal Gail Mangum? Their stories are equally believable.
WV: putive - yep
Meade said...
Freeman Hunt said...
Gee, I wonder if Abrahamson is the unnamed source supporting Bradley's version of events...
I wondered the same. And now I'm beginning to wonder if purplepenquin's real name is Shirley.
But don't call him, "Surely".
WV "kedti" What's used to secure a sneaker.
Meade,
You claim you filed multiple police reports, but why haven't you "pressed charges" against anyone? Do you think George Soros is the reason your report has been suppressed? *rolls eyes*
If we look at what is being said about Bradley, it sounds like you're making stuff up. For that matter, if Prosser was actually attacked first then how come he didn't file a police report or press charges?
Looking at these comments, it appears that the Ann-a-holics are once again choosing what they wish to beleive based purely on partisanship.
PS - Since you made a big deal about it, Google my name (besuretospellitrighthistime)and you'll see I'm far less "anonymous" than you are. :P
@James and Meade, my fault, I misread their logo on their home page
however, this intrepid reporter wants to provide a scoop to the story.
The majority opinion was by Justices Michael Gableman, David Prosser, Patience Roggensack and Annette Ziegler. The other three justices - Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson and Justices Ann Walsh Bradley and N. Patrick Crooks
The MJS says that Crooks wasnt there, so
You have Bradley, Abrahamson, and the 4 justices in the majority in the room arguing over how long the Chief can stall releasing the decision, so
If Bradley was not the orginal source of the choking rumor, it had to be abrahamson or one of the 4 conservatives, what are the odds?
and what are the chances that the 2 liberal statements are going to align perfectly, but the 4 other statements while more divergent (and I argue truthful, but regardless) are going to differ from the 2 liberal women.. just sayin
A gentleman would have let her slap him, or knock him to the ground.
Think about it.
This story is unravelling so fast that the players are hard to keep straight without a scorecard. So, here's a scorecard:
* Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
* Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism (Soros funded hit squad)
* Wisconsin Public Radio (federally funded Democrat Party hit squad)
* ThinkProgress (George Soros funded hit squad)
* NY Times (Democrat Party in-house newsletter)
Purple Penguin:
Wouldn't it be up to the prosecuting attorney, and not Meade, to determine whether to press charges?
I suppose Meade could initiate a civil suit on his own, but he's a citizen, not a law enforcement entity.
With your grasp of the law, you may, in fact, be Shirley.
Don't hurt your back moving those goalposts alone, Penguin.
No need to apologize; the incorrect acronyms just get confusing.
"Looking at these comments, it appears that the Ann-a-holics are once again choosing what they wish to beleive based purely on partisanship."
No, we're having to try to interpret what's going on based on slanted original reporting featuring NO identifiable witnesses.
Every single source for this story is being shielded by the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism precisely because revealing their identities would expose their political leanings and give readers the context they need to evaluate the witnesses.
The original 3 sources could not even tell the WCIJ the DAY OF THE WEEK that Prosser allegedly throttled Judge Bradley.
When you add in the hidden facts that these organizations are funded by Democrat Party hitman George Soros, then the entire pile begins to stench badly.
The Soros-backed group deliberately suppressed contradictory evidence that would have shown that perhaps Prosser was defending himself against an abusive and physically threatening Judge Bradley.
Judge Bradley refuses to say HOW Judge Prosser came to be close enough to her to get his hands round her throat.
Now why would she be silent on this information?
Did he jump across her desk and throttle her in her chair? We are left to wonder because Judge Bradley refuses to be forthright and to tell the WHOLE TRUTH.
There is a whole truth here. We are going to get to the bottom of it and if Judge Bradley physically attacked Judge Prosser by moving toward him in an aggressively violent manner with her fists raised (as at least one eyewitness has told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel) then she must resign her position. She has brought disrepute onto the court and brought into serious question the absolute impartiality of this court and its justices.
That is immoral and unethical.
There is simply no room in our courts for judges who physically threaten other justices in an effort to intimidate them. And that appears to be precisely what Judge Bradley has done here if the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal is to be believed.
None of the other justices in the room at the time of this event is reported to have restrained Judge Prosser. Now, if this alleged madman had jumped across a desk and began throttling Judge Bradley, don't you think the OTHER five judges in the room would have intervened?
The truth will emerge.
And when it does, the violently aggressive judge must be made to resign, or else be impeached by the Legislature.
Let's do some math:
Solve for x
x said...
A lot of folks are pointing to a lack of police report as "proof" that Bradley is lying about what happened. Since Meade never filed a police report or pressed charges, does that mean it was a lie when he said protesters assaulted him?
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Meade said...
By the way, x , I did file a police report. In fact, I filed two police reports. As far as I know, at least one of those cases is still under investigation.
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x said...
Meade,
You claim you filed multiple police reports, but why haven't you "pressed charges" against anyone? Do you think George Soros is the reason your report has been suppressed? *rolls eyes*
So x makes false statement, is rebutted, and then responds with a nonsensical question backed up by a strawman
Answer:
x = fucking liberal idiot
Math is fun!
"Wouldn't it be up to the prosecuting attorney, and not Meade, to determine whether to press charges?"
A citizen cannot "press charges." That is CSI television fantasy.
A citizen can file a complaint with the police. But the police are not required legally to do anything about that complaint. For example, if the police are corrupt, they can refuse to investigate the crimes alleged and face no punishment.
The police in Madison, Wisconsin are members of a corrupt union thugocracy. They are refusing to investigate anyone on THEIR side. No matter what is reported to them.
This fact is eventually going to lead to violence - as people realize that the Madison police are not impartial observers here and are only PROTECTING and SERVING the Democrats in Wisconsin, leaving Republicans to fend for themselves against the attacks of criminals.
Regular citizens are eventually going to have to take the law into their own hands if they are to receive justice.
Nevadabob said...There is a whole truth here. We are going to get to the bottom of it and if Judge Bradley physically attacked Judge Prosser by moving toward him in an aggressively violent manner with her fists raised (as at least one eyewitness has told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel) then she must resign her position. She has brought disrepute onto the court and brought into serious question the absolute impartiality of this court and its justices.
I'm not hugely troubled by her anger, as creating a cause that demands her resignation. Though per althouse's formulation, that would seem equitable,
I do feel that if she was the one who did the angry charging, that her subsequent attempts to use his defense as the basis for a smear campaign is problematic. Justices should tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in a situation like this.
again, the coverup is worse than the crime IMHO
Let's revisit the e-mail written to Justice Walsh Bradley by Justice Patience Roggensack that was leaked just before the April election.
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/03/nasty-email-surfaces-on-eve-of.html
Three days later, Justice Patience Roggensack wrote to Bradley, criticizing her for copying judicial assistants on her e-mail.
"You were trying to make David look bad in the eyes of others, as a person who uses language that we all find offensive - and I include David in that 'we,' " Roggensack wrote. "Do you think that copying others on your e-mail increased the collegiality of the court or decreased it?
"You are a very active participant in the dysfunctional way we carry-on. (As am I.) You often goad other justices by pushing and pushing in conference in a way that is simply rude and completely nonproductive. ..."...
... that her subsequent attempts to use his defense as the basis for a smear campaign is problematic."
Especially when that smear campaign is being coordinated by many Democrat Party front groups receiving donations from George Soros.
When people act together to falsely portray events in a way designed to undermine a sitting Supreme Court justice - folks that is a fucking conspiracy to obstruct justice.
These groups and these judges are acting in unison.
That is completely unethical at the minimum and likely represents an illegal conspiracy.
It seems to me that this story broke when it did so that it would spread throughout the lefto-sphere and fill up half of a page on memeorandum before you could utter "he did what?!"..
Gone unchecked, by Monday morning it would be "common knowledge" that Prosser choked the shit out of a woman for no reason.
So, Althou.se must be commended for posting the other side, Insty for picking up, and putting somtehing in the other side of the ledger.
Yes Robert, I agree with you that it is absurd for all these commentators to keep claiming that since Bradley hasn't pressed charges against Prosser that means the whole incident is a lie. That was the point of my remarks...
nevadabob said "Regular citizens are eventually going to have to take the law into their own hands if they are to receive justice."
Even more violence from the right, eh?
Good thing Meade ain't making a fuss about YOU posting anonymously...you could get yourself into some trouble with that type of inciteful language.
"... this story broke when it did so that it would spread throughout the lefto-sphere and fill up half of a page on memeorandum before you could utter "he did what?!"
That is because the anonymous sources involved are working very closely together with groups of other people.
A George Soros-backed group - The Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalsim - wrote the original libelous hit piece accusing Judge Prosser of a criminal act.
A second George Soros-backed group called ThinkProgress then IMMEDIATELY began spreading the story and planning ways to remove Judge Prosser from the court based on this libelous reporting.
This sort of coordination isn't an accident. These groups are conspiring together with the anonymous sources in the original story to defame Justice Prosser for the purpose of obstructing justice.
This sort of coordination among allegedly unbiased media organizations with thinly-disguised Democrat Party attack groups is not accidental and it is highly unethical and an illegal obstruction of justice which demands investigation.
They are trying to corrupt our court system.
As Americans, are we going to stand for this fucking shit? Or are we going to take matters into hand?
"Good thing Meade ain't making a fuss about YOU posting anonymously...you could get yourself into some trouble with that type of inciteful language."
Look here ... your pathetic threats don't intimidate me, sweetheart.
When the police are corrupt, citizens have every right and a moral duty to then take justice into their own hands. And we will do it.
If you are threatened by that, good. You should be. It should frighten you. Bad things happen when regular citizens are forced to administer justice because their institutions of justice have become absolutely and thoroughly corrupted.
We will not shy away from taking control of you people.
So don't think for one moment that you can intimidate me you fucking cunt.
" ... it is absurd for all these commentators to keep claiming that since Bradley hasn't pressed charges against Prosser that means the whole incident is a lie."
It is not absurd. Judge Bradley is claiming NOW that a crime occurred. So why did she not call the police at the moment it occurred? Why did she not make an official report?
Why did NO OTHER JUSTICES intervene against Judge Prosser?
I think we all know the reason. The reason is because SHE attacked HIM first and he responded by defending himself against a violent and abusive judge.
The original reporting done by the Wisconsin Journal for Investigative Journalism was libelous - and appears to have been with malice aforethought judging from the coordination they participated in with other Soros-funded hate groups.
The WCIJ are guilty of libel and should be sued out of existence. They are also guilty of participating in an illegal conspiracy to obstruct justice and those involve deserve what is about to come to them.
nevedabob says "We will not shy away from taking control of you people. So don't think for one moment that you can intimidate me you fucking cunt."
Yup, that pretty much sums up how the Ann-a-holics respond to anyone that dares to question the GroupThink being expressed in this forum.
You can't win with reason&logic, so you turn to threats and sexist namecalling instead.
Ann-a holic, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA That's a good one. Got any more like that?
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