May 14, 2011
"That wasn't addressed to you, Mr. Meade. I've seen enough of your shameless trolling in every corner of the Internets to take any thing you say in good faith."
Commenter in a ridiculous thread in which Meade challenges people who characterize the voter ID requirement as "Jim Crow" racism.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 240 of 240Hey get off of Meade's back. He had a tough couple of days. The blog was down for a while.
They had to talk to each other. Just sayn'
garage mahal said:
There is no voter fraud in WIsconsin. Walker's own AG did a two yr investigation into it, and found jack shit. In a sane world that would be the ned of it. But of course we don't live in that world, we live in conservabubble fantasy world.
Seems to me I remember reading articles in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about how the District Attorney's office had a huge backlog on voter fraud but they couldn't get co-operation from the police in investigating such fraud. The absence of convictions doesn't mean it hasn't happened, it only means they haven't been caught. There are anecdotal stories of it happening, enough to justify further investigation.
I would favor publishing the names, addresses and polling places of all who vote, and their form of identification. Did they use a Drivers License or a utility bill? How many "Richie Garbage"s are in the state? Computer rolls are computerized. Generating such lists shouldn't be too difficult.
How about when a person registers to vote they indicate what identification they will be using? Something like this happens when purchasing a plane ticket: the purchaser must indicate what ID they will be using, and have the name on the ticket exactly match the name on the ID.
Hey Garage: About the only part of the Constitution the right really gives a shit about is guns. The rest can be ignored for the most part.
That is our President you are talking about in discourteous tones. The only reason he cares about the guns part is because he wants to take them away from us "bitter clingers".
"I think laws should be based on some evidence of a need for correction, more than perceived "lack of confidence.""
Thank Al Gore.
Thank the expensive recount Wisconsin just did.
Lack of confidence is more important than fact and when fanning that lack of confidence is a politicians own choice, to take away the trust of people, then something has to be done.
If someone, if SOMEONE, doesn't want these laws passed then instead of constantly hammering elections where Republicans win as "stolen" or other wise in question, the people who don't want "voter fraud" addressed need to behave differently in public.
It's a choice and consequences. If you keep on saying that elections are illegitimate then people will feel the need to try to make them trustworthy.
Showing an ID is necessary to buy a six pack of beer or get a job. It's simple, shows your address and your face, and everyone has to have one anyway (or should). It's the simplest, most straight forward action that can be taken.
So why not?
Garage,
Here's why Sofa is right. If you do not have to positively prove your identity at the polling place, then there is no way way to that you voted legally after the fact, or that you voted at all. The chain of evidence is broken.
Joe Kennedy got it. Why can't you?
That is our President you are talking about in discourteous tones. The only reason he cares about the guns part is because he wants to take them away from us "bitter clingers".
Must have missed this. What has he done to you to take away your guns?
So how does voting in Wisconsin actually work, with no ID requirements? You just show up they give you a ballot, no questions asked? Do you have to give a name that they check off against a registered voter roll? Do they ask you who starts at left guard for the Packers to make sure you're really from Wisconsin?
I am genuinely curious how the process works in the absence of an identity check.
I think laws should be based on some evidence of a need for correction, more than perceived "lack of confidence."
The evidence is that fraud is trivially easy to commit under the status quo. How common is it? It really is impossible to say. It *could* be virtually nonexistent. But it *could* also be more of a problem than we thought. Your argument seems to be that, absent hard data, we should assume the best. I don't see any logical basis for that assumption.
Under the status quo, we have motive and opportunity. Intent, we have insufficient data. That's enough to be a legitimate basis of concern, in my opinion. Dismissing concerns as unfounded is clearly inappropriate.
So how does voting in Wisconsin actually work, with no ID requirements? You just show up they give you a ballot, no questions asked?
Correct, providing the name you provide is on the rolls.
Do you have to give a name that they check off against a registered voter roll?
Yes.
Do they ask you who starts at left guard for the Packers to make sure you're really from Wisconsin?
Nope, your statement of name and address is all you need to receive a ballot.
JB, the AG lives in Waunakee, right next to my parents.
Did you know that Waunakee is the only Waunakee in the world?
tits
So how do you get on the registered voter roll if you don't have an ID?
garage mahal said...
Must have missed this. What has he done to you to take away your guns?
If you are being honest then you are seriously not paying attention. Consider Kagan is very much against 2nd amendment rights. And then I recently saw this: "An important new report (PDF) has been released by Second Amendment lawyer Dave Hardy of Of Arms and the Law. He found that while Obama was serving on the Joyce Foundation’s Board of Directors, Joyce had a specific agenda. To control published research on the 2nd Amendment so that sooner or later the Supreme Court would be influenced by the overwhelming amount of research favoring the gun control dummies."
The idea was they would subsidize law reviews which would be strictly against gun rights, which other lawyers could then take into court and use with a straight face. (Professor Ann: do they really teach lawyers how to lie with a straight face, or is that a pre-requisite for admission? How can I trust your answer?)
http://floppingaces.net/2008/10/08/obamas-links-to-group-that-tried-to-subvert-the-2nd-amendment/
Further, some have hypothesized that the whole AFT guns to Mexico is a frame up, to be used an excuse to crack down on gun ownership in this country because, see, the guns are going to Mexico.
@Milwaukee
Your "Obama is taking away my guns" argument is even weaker and unfounded than your Voter ID argument.
We have a voter ID law in Louisiana. It was passed after Mary "Senator for Life" Landrieu stole the 1996 Senate election. 99.99% of all registered voters have a picture ID. Give it a rest with the Jim Crow crap.
It was LA!
I remember that, was going 2 bring it up. The same BS was said then, wasn't it?
Some old articles should b floating around w/the same tired, old excuses.
Someone above mentioned getting an ID check going into a club.
What? Nobody so far mentioned you get carded when you buy booze or cigarettes in NC? It's the law.
So.
How come people can VOTE and influence the electoral process which affects thousands and in some cases millions of lives just on a say so, but have to prove who they are to buy cigs or booze?
Ha!
@Milwaukee
Your "Obama is taking away my guns" argument is even weaker and unfounded than your Voter ID argument.
Not if U actually listened to him during the election. A response he gave to 2 hunters/sportsmen.
He was very clear - hunting or sport, that's it. Nothing about protection or the 2nd Amendment.
& it seems they're going after those 2 areas as well.
Unfortunately, an old link via Instaundit around the Bellesiles brouhaha could b used in defense.
Done by 2 IIRC gun control advocates who admitted there was no real gun control outcry until 1876.
IIRC, they also combed thru the FFs writings in hopes they could find something to twist and nada.
Wasn't Gay Patriot's blog a good resource for this stuff?
No to mention those three or four black guys some lefty who was quoted a couple days ago who tried to throw in a racially motivated bigoted scenario to "expose" the racists (!?) They would have obtained their hypothetical CCW by not only providing IDs, they would have had background checks.
Poor guys. Probably were not able to get to the DMV for those ID cards they issue. (At least they do in redneck backwoods NC.)
I'm sure it broke his heart.
@ Seeing Red
I don't know. It must be me. I can't handle the text and twitter abbrvtns in a blog comment.
Nope, your statement of name and address is all you need to receive a ballot
Same here in NC. If you can read quickly upside down, you can read the address off the roll while the poll worker finds it.
If I Recall Correctly?
The last time I had a beer at a restaurant they asked for my ID. They checked everybody who looks under 40.
RuyDiaz said...
Freeman totally gets the patronizing racialism of the Dems. But will Dems ever see themselves?
Meade, you don't get it. This only means she's a racist.
Duh. How could it be otherwise?
You really don't understand or know what racism is do you? Hyperbole and being a reactionary might be more your speed.
DADvocate wrote: Just curious, do we have more than one Internet now?
We always did. An internet is a network of networks. Each major IPS is itself a network, with it's own infrastructure which it owns outright or leases. Persons pay fees to these networks for the privilege to connect hosts to those networks. The connections between these various networks is extraordinary dynamic, ever-changing. Computer scientists use the term virtual circuits cloud to conceptualize the billions upon billions of potential connections between hosts and networks, only a tiny fraction of which are real at any given time.
When I first estimated the number of possible internets I got a figure which I rounded to 17 million. After giving it more thought I realized that number assumes just one subnet mask. There is a vast number of possible subnets, which turn vastly increase the number of potential internets. In fact the 32-bit address space allowed by TCP/IPv4 imposes a much more constrained limit on the absolute number of unique hosts than on the number of networks and internets, just as there are vastly more poker hands then there are unique cards in the deck.
"THE INTERNET" is a term of convenience used only informally, as in "I got my information about Bush's lies on the Internet."
wv: cheeve - an unused tradename for a soft goat cheese flavored with chives. Delicious! I'm registering the trademark tomorrow.
The entire voter ID argument is retarded. Why is it when it comes to voting that presenting any legal state ID to vote is so fascist, mean, cruel, racism, ageist, bigoted, homophobic, and any other leftard pejorative that you can think of against conservatives that propose it, and yet seemingly ID is required in many other instances to prove who you are (for the most part) to do all kinds of things, like cashing a check, opening a bank account, applying for government assistance, buying alcohol, driving, paying for services with a credit card, etc. etc.
But if you want to vote then all of a sudden, well, it's an egregious crime against humanity that requires the most belligerent excuses to levy the charges of hatred, racism, and bigotry towards those who wish to propose voter ID legislation to cut down on fraud and voter abuse and coming up with the silliest excuses for why, in the case of voting, identification shouldn't be used.
This is leftard logic at work and I don't understand why it's tolerated. What is the nuance here? Like I said, if a purple finger is good for Iraqi's then why not for Americans. Them we know who voted only once even if you don't have an ID, but at least have an address that can be looked up. Why are you leftards trying to make this harder than it is? Rhetorical question I know.
I'd say they have the same right to bear arms as all Americans.
You avoid answering the question. There are much greater restrictions on exercising the right to bear arms than voting. Your glibness betrays your true beliefs.
There is no voter fraud in WIsconsin.
Uh huh. I don't believe there's a state in the Union devoid of voter fraud. Finding it is another story. Your point about the officials is well taken. Kloppendale seems to be hoping for some of that action right now.
Garbage - You must have missed this:
I just finished a concealed carry class in Ohio, cost me $125 and it was the cheapest class I could find. Next, I'll have to pay the state $67.50 for a cc license.
Why should I have to pay the government money or take a class to practice my constitutional rights, especially when you and the other lefties think it's so horrible to have reasonable proof of who I am in order to vote?
We know that lefties hate gun rights. Obama himself has displayed that. Lefties hate most of our rights. Bill Clinton suggested the other day a Ministry of Truth be set up to police the Internet. Obama belittled religion when he belittled gun rights. The left dreams of a day when we become like the old communist Russia Everyone votes but the outcome is known before hand.
garage mahal said:
There is no voter fraud in WIsconsin
Hysterical.
There were no American tanks in Baghdad either, bozo.
About the only part of the Constitution the right really gives a shit about is guns. The rest can be ignored for the most part.
Yes!
Because you have the "constitutional right" to vote without showing ID.
Bravo, bozo!
Quaestor - thanks for answering my question. While 90% of the work I do involves the Internet, it's sort of a mysterious netherworld out there.
At each polling place there must exist a list with the name/address of every person who walked in and was given a ballot. I'd love to see an investigation where each person on the list was later contacted and asked simply "did you vote?". Has anything like that ever been done? I'd be interested in seeing the % of negative responses... that's the fraud.
We know that lefties hate gun rights. Obama himself has displayed that.
More hallucinations. You think Obama has displayed hostility to gun rights. Is it any wonder you see voter fraud where none exists?
Whenever someone uses the term internets I start to use the term intertubes.
For the lawls.
You think Obama has displayed hostility to gun rights.
Forgotten the bitter clinger comment already? Quite the dumb ass, aren't you? There are signs Obama plans an attack on gun rights if re-elected.
"I just want you to know that we are working on it," Barack Obama told Sarah Brady regarding gun control. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar," Obama said according to Brady.
Ignoring reality seems to be your strong suit. If they can take away one of your rights, they can take away all your rights. Of course, a mindless, lazy leming as yourself if more than willing to run off that cliff.
@ Red
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I have to switch mental gears.
I'm too crabby to do that and be able to enjoy the content reading blog comments.
IIRC is not text or twitter originally.
It existed before those were twinkles in someone's synapses.
I'll not harp anymore. (Just skip your comments. ;-) )
Garage: Would you agree that it would be best if the few African Americans in Wisconsin were spared the trouble of going to the polls altogether? Would it not be better if their numbers were simply recorded as votes for Democrats and left at that. Children excluded, of course, or at least for the most part. Because it appears that liberals believe African Americans are incapable of executing some of life's most simple tasks while simultaneously assuming their votes. Their is a vile racism that lives in that kind of thinking that I believe you either fail to notice or approve of.
Michael, regarding blacks just being counted as libtard votes: Perhaps we should follow the template proposed by Clinton Attorney General nominee Lani Guinier. Just give each black voter 5 or 10 votes each to make up for current and past racism. Wonder how many votes zebras like Obama would be entitled to? And of course the rich in this country are predominately white so perhaps fat reparation checks are in order. Just seize assets of rich honkies like Buffett, Gates, Bloomberg, Trump and Mikey Moore. I'm sure most of them would approve. And while we are at it why shouldn't people just own up to how they did or didn't vote? Sort of a union check card provision. Obama's proposed civilian brownshirt SS minions can advise us the proper way to cast our votes.
The GOP is admitting [by ramming this bill through] that they don't think they can win unless they exclude people without photo ID from voting. Not a very strong endorsement of the future viability of your party.
Not only that, but the dirty futhermucking RethugliKKKans are even against dead people voting!
They're against Zombie-Americans and Corpse-Americans! Heaven help you, garage, if they go after the Shithead-Americans next!
There is no voter fraud in WIsconsin.
After diligently looking for a couple of centuries, agents of the Department of the Treasury have never found a perfect counterfeit bill! Not one!
Clearly the government has a perfect record in spotting counterfeits ... right?
@ Ken re the 5 or 10 votes per Chosen Voter ...
Are there not places where that type of weighted voting (I can't remember the name of it) is done.
IIRC it was used someplace here in NC and I about drove off the road when I heard it on the radio whenever.
What the hey is that about?
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