May 2, 2011

Ezra Klein "felt a swell of patriotism" when he read that "bin Laden's body would be handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition."

"Somehow, that’s a nice, final touch. But it speaks to what bin Laden was: a bag of bones and meat. A body, like any other. Most of what changed in this country after 9/11 was our choice, not his. And his death is a reminder that changing it back -- or revising it to better fit our future -- is, similarly, our choice, not his. We’ve killed him, but we haven’t revisited the ways in which he changed us, or the ways in which wechanged us in response to his attack. Maybe it’s time we did."

The lefty meme is: It's all about us.

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Synova said...

Jeremy...

Suffice it to say that you have an extremely erroneous notion of what the military term "briefed" means.

Alcuria said...

Jeremy at 5:48 Pm telling Synova to F off...

Classy, really classy as well as:

jeremy at 1:34 Pm - "Fuck off"

Jeremy at 1:36 Pm - "You're a fucking idiot"

Jeremy at 1:37 Pm - "Fuck off"

Jeremy at 2:54 Pm - "Fuck off"

Jeremy at 2:59 Pm - "You're a fucking idiot"

Jeremy at 3:17 Pm - "Fuck off"

Jeremy at 4:00 Pm - "Fuck off"

Jeremy at 5:36 Pm - "Fuck off"


It's no wonder people don't take what you say seriously. Which is too bad, because you do bring up some good points - "Fuck you" is not one of them.

Trooper York said...

As someone said " - This just happened YESTERDAY."

And isn't it interesting that the body and any evidence that could be gleaned from it are gone forever.

Is that reasonalbe? To not wait a day. Or two. Not months. Not weeks. Not years. A day?

Nah that's just crazy talk right garage?

Hoosier Daddy said...

It's no wonder people don't take what you say seriously.

I never take bigots like Jeremy seriously. They are fun to poke though.

garage mahal said...

It just strikes me as very strange. Very strange.

No you don't. You just hate Obama and don't want him to get any credit. Which is pretty pathetic when you think about it.

Synova said...

"And virtually all of our top military brass is behind this hoax? LOL"

I don't believe for a moment that it's a hoax. I want to speak to the abstract, okay?

In order for 9-11 to have been an "inside job" or anything other than what it most obviously was, the conspiracy and complete impenetrability of bounds of secrecy would have had to dwarf, by magnitudes, what it would mean for "all our top brass" to be behind faking Obama's death.

Yet Trutherism thrived and otherwise supposedly sane people weren't ashamed to state in public in front of the entire nation that "fire doesn't melt steel."

As a measure of just what people are willing to believe it suggests that "deathers" won't even have to stretch very far to get there.

It's unfortunate, and I think possibly inevitable. I wish they'd brought him back for some sort of "viewing."

Still, there are people who deny the holocaust and the moon landing, so there you go.

Trooper York said...

I don't hate Obama. I feel exactly the same about him as you did about President Bush or Governor Walker. I think he deserves the exact same amount of deferance and respect that you give those two individuals. No more and no less.

Why couldn't they wait a day or two? Is that so unreasonable? Or does it seem strange?

Anonymous said...

GM said: No you don't. You just hate Obama and don't want him to get any credit. Which is pretty pathetic when you think about it.

I want Obama to get the appropriate amount of credit.

I am quite certain that he and his political team want him to get way more than the appropriate amount.

Which is really pathetic, when YOU think about it.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Quayle - Are you saying that if we respect a fallen enemy's religious beliefs...that's a bad thing?

Well its liberals like you who keep insisting that Osama bin Laden was not acting in the true name of Islam and how he hijacked Islam and that Islam teaches peace and love.

So I'm not sure what religion we should have been respecting since bin Laden obviously was not practicing Islam.

Trooper York said...

You don't have to be a right wing wacko to think that they jumped the gun.

I mean don't get me wrong I am a right wing wacko. But still this is very strange. Unusual to say the least.

Bodies have evidence. As I had said several times if they did an autopsy and gathered all the evidence and will release it that I will be happy to appolgize.

garage mahal said...

Why couldn't they wait a day or two? Is that so unreasonable? Or does it seem strange?

That wouldn't satisfy you, Hezbollah, and Hamas either, I suspect.

Synova said...

And no, getting rid of the body nearly immediately is not *reasonable*.

It won't be viewed as reasonable.

We can also count down to the problem of the "America captured him alive, tortured and mutilated him and then got rid of the evidence" rumors, I mean "recruiting efforts", as well.

It will happen.

Brian Brown said...

garage mahal said...

No you don't. You just hate Obama and don't want him to get any credit. Which is pretty pathetic when you think about it.


So Obama used intelligence gathered from "enhanced interrogation" (nee, torture) to send an assassination squad into a sovereign country that poses no imminent threat to America to blow up a home while shooting everyone inside.

All things silly, ignorant people like you railed against from Oct 2001 to Dec 2008.

And now you're clapping.

Just too rich, garbage. Just too rich, man...

Trooper York said...

You know you are not fair Garage. I give President Obama credit all the time.

I credit him for all the jobs he destroyed and the balloning of the deficit and the coming destruction of the American Health care system. He deserves all the credit in the world. Just sayn'

Alex said...

We can also count down to the problem of the "America captured him alive, tortured and mutilated him and then got rid of the evidence" rumors, I mean "recruiting efforts", as well.

Nonsense. The dominant media meme is "Obama is such a big hero".

Hoosier Daddy said...

You just hate Obama and don't want him to get any credit. Which is pretty pathetic when you think about it.

I give Obama a lot of credit for this. I also give him credit for realizing that Islamic terrorists are bad people and that closing Gitmo is a bad idea even though he promised you lefties he would. I also give him credit for stepping up drone attacks and killing more Islamic terrorists even though you lefties get all verklempt when terrorists are killed.

So yeah, when it comes to killing bad guys he's shown he's got the stones to do it just like Bush. And just like Bush he got us into another Middle East conflict with a country that presented no threat to us.

And just like Bush he's tanking the economy so I'm not sure why you're such a syncophant over the guy who is a lot like Bush.

Trooper York said...

He is rooting for the "Laundry."

garage mahal said...


So Obama used intelligence gathered from "enhanced interrogation" (nee, torture) to send an assassination squad into a sovereign country that poses no imminent threat to America to blow up a home while shooting everyone inside.


Actually not so, at least according to this story. He didn't give up the courier's name until later, under standard techniques. So much fail from the right today.

Brian Brown said...

Jeremy said...

These were not merely "briefings."

They were planning sessions.


Using this "planning" standard, W planned out the quick 3 week defeat of Saddam's army...

Brian Brown said...

I love this:

Actually not so, at least according to this story.

Um, and then what?

Here is a different story.

You are a drooling imbecile.

Brian Brown said...

Actually not so, at least according to this story.

Hysterical.

So you're for indefinite detention in CIA black sites now, right?

Trooper York said...

"So you're for indefinite detention in CIA black sites now, right?"

Let's try to keep race out of this not matter how hard Jeremy wants to inject it into this discussion.

garage mahal said...

Rumsfeld Exclusive: There Was No Waterboarding of Courier Source

Alex said...

Obama not only planned and executed the mission flawlessly, he got the intel without torture. What a saint.

Alex said...

garage - Bush only waterboarded 3 terrorists, so what exactly is your point?

Hoosier Daddy said...

I just want to show my sincerity and say, for guys like garage and his buddy Jeremy, that for the first time in my life, I am proud of Barrack Obama.

Original Mike said...

"Rumsfeld Exclusive: There Was No Waterboarding of Courier Source"

Bummer.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I should also point out, in all fairness, that we are lucky that Barrack Obama won the nomination over Hillary who stated she would not have gone into Pahkeestahn if she had actionable intelligence about bin Laden.

Talk about dodging a bullet.

Anonymous said...

Interesting that his carcass was handled with appropriate Islamic dignity, according to the wags. Was the bullet through his head a similar respectful treatment?

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Synova said...

...what it would mean for "all our top brass" to be behind faking Obama's death.

I think it would take quite a lot to fake the President's death. :)

Sixty Grit said...

Garage's day of mourning has ended, I see.

I heard that Osama's body will lie in state at the Obama reelection headquarters.

The Crack Emcee said...

Fuck Ezra Klein.

garage mahal said...

Seems pretty bitter in here.

Trooper York said...

We are not bitter garage. We are just speaking the truth to power. You know that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. We feel that your man is feeling very comfortable and it is the oppositions job to afflict the comfortable.

Com'on did I forget any cliches?

Trooper York said...

I mean who would have thought that the first thing they would have done with Osama when they caught him was treat him like your kid's goldfish?

Not even a proper burial in the back yard. They just flushed him out to sea.

Original Mike said...

"Seems pretty bitter in here."

I disagree. Seems pretty jovial to me.

Trooper York said...

I only get bitter when a loser team like the Green Bay Fudge Packers gets to gloat over winning the Super Bowl.

Now that is something to be bitter about.

Trooper York said...

I mean after Brett Farve's career died they just didn't bury it at sea. We had to see it with Jets and the Vikings and who knows if it is still walking around like a zombie. Plus we have the bounus of him texting a photo of his junk to the sideline reporters.

Hey Garage if Osama texts a photo of his junk to Lara Logan will you admit he is still around? Just sayin'

garage mahal said...

We are just speaking the truth to power.

Truthers think they were speaking truth to power too. Anyways just giving you some shit for taking the Hezbollah point of view here.

garage mahal said...

I only get bitter when a loser team like the Green Bay Fudge Packers gets to gloat over winning the Super Bowl

Not only that, we get half our team back from injuries. And had a stellar draft adding to the embarrassment of riches we already have.

DADvocate said...

EnigmatiCore - You agree with DADvocate?

Heck, I don't even agree with DADvocate. But, I couldn't pass up having a little fun at Jeremy's expense.

Now, did we really land on the moon?

Trooper York said...
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Trooper York said...

Well there is one thing we agree on. The Packers will be an embarrassment next year.

Trooper York said...

I wonder if the evil blogger lady will chime in now after 400 comments and castigate us for talking about football in this oh so serious thread?

anti-de Sitter space said...

She's evil again?

That prefix seems to be a moving target.

Mikio said...

Conservative Logic: 1) "Torture works." 2) "Waterboarding isn't torture." Hmm. Okay. So how does it work?

Original Mike said...

"I only get bitter when a loser team like the Green Bay Fudge Packers gets to gloat over winning the Super Bowl."

Yeah, it must suck.
Sorry.
{smirk}

Original Mike said...

"Conservative Logic: 1) "Torture works." 2) "Waterboarding isn't torture.""

If it works, I don't care what you call it.

Conservative logic.

ken in tx said...

Too bad he could not have been gut-shot, then while still alive, taken up in a chopper about the height of the World Trade Center and dropped. That way he would know how it felt.

Synova said...

"I think it would take quite a lot to fake the President's death. :)"

OOPS!

And I've been writing "Bin Laden" for two days to avoid just that mistake.

Bleh.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Anyways just giving you some shit for taking the Hezbollah point of view here.

Did the Israelis board another Hezbollah humanitarian aid ship again and Trooper condemned Israel?

Oh wait, that was you.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I disagree. Seems pretty jovial to me.

Yep. I do enjoy how much garage defends Obama for following the same Bush policies when it comes to terrorists.

He must be on medication to cope with that irony.

Mikio said...

If it works, I don't care what you call it.

Conservative logic.


*sigh* The point was how can waterboarding be effective if, as conservatives also say, it isn't even torture?

IOW, those two conservative pet claims bite each other in the ass.

Nevermind. If you have to explain it...

Original Mike said...

"*sigh* The point was how can waterboarding be effective if, as conservatives also say, it isn't even torture?"

Was it?"

Next time, please use smaller words.

Hoosier Daddy said...

*sigh* The point was how can waterboarding be effective if, as conservatives also say, it isn't even torture?

The point is that we should use whatever methods that will generate results. If asking pretty please with sugar on top gets results then by all means do that. If they tell you to fuck off and die because you're an pig eating son of a whore-infidel running dog
then dunking them in some water should also be used.

DADvocate said...

Apparently the DNA "match" of bin Laden isn't the rock solid, lock tight evidence everyone expects. Hahahahahahaha!!!

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Blogger Mikio said...

Conservative Logic: 1) "Torture works." 2) "Waterboarding isn't torture." Hmm. Okay. So how does it work?

Liberal Logic:

A implies B, therefore, Not A implies Not B.

It's pretty clear why the liberal head for the soft majors.

Mikio said...

The point is that we should use whatever methods that will generate results. If asking pretty please with sugar on top gets results then by all means do that. If they tell you to fuck off and die because you're an pig eating son of a whore-infidel running dog
then dunking them in some water should also be used.


You’re so full of it. Your phrasing “pretty please with sugar on top” is clearly sarcastic and condescendingly aimed at liberals meaning you’re actually of the opinion that method doesn’t work. Yet you’re trying to claim it does work sometimes just to sidestep the logical trap you’re in. I see right through your weakass bullshit spewage.

Mikio said...

Apparently the DNA "match" of bin Laden isn't the rock solid, lock tight evidence everyone expects. Hahahahahahaha!!!

Why are you laughing, you petty, sick fuck?

DADvocate said...

Why are you laughing, you petty, sick fuck?

I'm not petty, you asshole. I'm laughing at dumb asses like you.

Mikio said...

I'm not petty, you asshole. I'm laughing at dumb asses like you.

Yeah, laughing at the notion bin Laden wasn't actually killed wasn't petty or sick, you're right. Yep, that gleeful burst wasn't anti-Obamaism over country/decency/justice/unity against terrorism -- no, not at all. Ugh.

Anonymous said...

Actually not so, at least according to this story. He didn't give up the courier's name until later, under standard techniques. So much fail from the right today.


Waterboarded, then later questioned without waterboarding but with the memory of having been waterboarded. I'll let you decide if the waterboarding had any effect.

But the answer is: yes.

Anonymous said...

Last night I was pretty happy with Obama. Of course, I gave all his knob-polishers and other sycophants shit, but that's simply because O's rhetoric didn't match his actions--and in this case that was a good thing.

But now I'm starting to think that he fucked this easy win up. The proof should have been immediately forthcoming: photos, video, DNA, the whole nine yards. I have no doubt they got him. But the conspiracy theorists should have been nipped in the bud.

DADvocate said...

country/decency/justice/unity

What kind of dumb ass would fall for this shit form you? Mam and apple pie? Gimme a break. You lefties sure are defensive, just because I don't want to teabag Obama because he killed Osama.

You should have seen Lawrence O'Donnell and Rachel Maddow using this as an opportunity to go after Bush. WTF?? He's been out of office for over 2 years. Obama's following his lead in the war against terror. We'll never know the whole truth, and I really don't care if we do.

But, there's nothing wrong with an open mind looking at the possibilities. Of course, an open mind frightens those who don't want to think, but would rather rigidly adhere to an ideology no matter how flawed.

I'm not getting on the suicidal Obama bandwagon. He spoke well tonight at the dinner tonight. One thing's for sure, he understands unity better than you do and that we won't always be on the same side. Unless he changes dramatically, which ain't going to happen, I'll never support him.

But, I wasn't attacking him. I was attacking idiots like you, Jeremy, etc who can't stand the slightest criticism of Obama or any other deviation from your immature world picture.

DADvocate said...

But, I am a sick fuck. But, I gotta go. I have a woman friend waiting for me in the pit.

Sabinal said...

"Well there is one thing we agree on. The Packers will be an embarrassment next year." - Trooper York

see, we all *can* get along ;)

Freeman Hunt said...

Freeman - Can I assume you didn't actually read this?

No, but I see that I can assume that of you.

B said...

Jeremy, You really haven't a clue.

'And is that how Bush handled Iraq? He just sat there and was "briefed"...without providing any input whatsoever relating to the planning or invasion, etc.?'

Yes. Bush set the parameters but left those functions to professionally trained military men. Kudos to him. Obama did the same. Kudos to him too. A journalist, administration official, or talking head do often use inaccurate terms when describing something. It's up to the reader/listener to integrate that into an understanding based on the way the real world operates. Seems you can't manage that.

Duh.

Dustin said...

the ABC spin on this is that Obama didn't honor Osama with any attempt at a Muslim tradition, because they found a muslim who complains about sea burial (even though that is OK in Islam if there's worry about the body being defaced).

I guess the democrats didn't focus group this idea if they have flipped from 'how decent we are to do that!' to 'we did no such thing!'.

Either way, I'm still so happy Obama and his administration ordered this and had a success. I think they are a terrible administration, but they got this one right.

Destroying the body so fast is pretty dumb, though. I don't think there's a hoax. I just think they are idiots who got very lucky that Bush's hunt for Osama succeeded a few months after his administration ended.

Fen said...

Mikio: Yet you’re trying to claim it does work sometimes just to sidestep the logical trap you’re in. I see right through your weakass bullshit spewage.

No. Its only a logical "trap" for you. I'll help you get free of it:

1) Waterboarding is not torture

2) Waterboarding works

Where do I send the bill?

Peter Ryan said...

I, too, am glad they buried him at sea. Hopefully from a helicopter at 1,450 feet (same as the height of the WTC)

Without a body bag.

And the words spoken over his body as it falls, "Try facing Mecca now, M@#h*r F@#&*r."

All with plauible deniability.

Jeremy said...

For Synova and the rest of the teabaggers who think president Obama was merely "briefed":

From U.S. News & WOrld Report:

"Think for a minute about where we would be this Monday morning had this operation failed and resulted in the loss of American life, the killing of civilians, and bin Laden still on the loose. President Obama made a very tough call, knowing that his presidency and his political future would be in tatters if the raid proved unsuccessful. [See a transcript of Obama's speech on bin Laden death.]

In short, he put his political future on the line in order to rid the world of bin Laden.

And it was not a snap decision, but typical of President Obama—well thought out, meticulously planned, with constant consulting of expert advisers. It was a true test of presidential leadership.

If, as Ernest Hemingway described it, courage is “grace under pressure,” this is precisely what Barack Obama displayed."

Jeremy said...

For Trroper and the rest of the "deathers"...

"An official, who declined to be identified, said the daughter, aged 12 or 13, was one of the people who had confirmed that the mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks had been killed by U.S. commandos in a raid early on Monday." (ISLAMABAD - Reuters)

Jeremy said...

Fen - I see you're still not taking the time to actually read anything before posting teabagger drivel.

Keep up the good work...

Alex said...

Jeremy said... teabagger drivel

as if that means anything the 1341423423x over.

B said...

Jeremy, you are an utter naif when it comes to understanding military operations.

'From U.S. News & World Report:
"Think for a minute about...'

About where we were after Carter's blunder. Kudos to Obama for understanding that his function was to stay OUT of planning and control and limit his role to being briefed and giving the GO command.

Duh.

'In short, he put his political future on the line in order to rid the world of bin Laden.'

Wow. Unlike U.S. News & World Report, I believe that Obama saw the equation differently.

'If, as Ernest Hemingway described it, courage is “grace under pressure,” this is precisely what Barack Obama displayed.'

Leadership is not courage. Hemingway would have laughed his ass off at the USN&WR for printing this.

Trooper York said...

Well if a 12 year old girl says it was Osama then that's good enough for me.

Say how much of the story has changed since yesterday.

That girl is actually a boy and he is 23. But hey whose counting.

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