Althouse: "Protesters Destroy Recall Petitions Against Wisconsin Democrat."

March 16, 2011

"Protesters Destroy Recall Petitions Against Wisconsin Democrat."

More strange ideas of — to use the Wisconsin protester's catchphrase — "what democracy looks like."

84 comments:

traditionalguy said...: What fascism looks like...like a government selection of winners and losers.; 3/16/11, 10:50 AM
Pastafarian said...: Worst part of this story:

"The policemen who were there, and who were standing in close proximity to these events as they unfolded, did nothing to assist those collecting the petitions as they were being destroyed, despite such an action being a Felony under Wisconsin law."

We, the taxpayers, now work for the tax-eaters. They don't work for us.; 3/16/11, 10:52 AM
I'm Full of Soup said...: The police did nothing huh? Do the majority of cops dream of their kids being cops or do they want something better for them? If the latter, the cops should think about that when they pick sides in a labor dispute.; 3/16/11, 10:54 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Ah, one person allegedly rips up a piece of paper and that means all people opposing union busting are guilty.

It was a dumb thing for that person to do. And people should leave the Republican signature gatherers alone.

But it only discredits the individuals involved and is no basis for collective guilt.

You guys want to eliminate collective bargaining but preserve collective guilt - except for yourselves.; 3/16/11, 10:54 AM
I'm Full of Soup said...: Taxeaters is such an excellently descriptive word!; 3/16/11, 10:55 AM
I'm Full of Soup said...: Speak of taxeaters and AL shows up.; 3/16/11, 10:55 AM
Mogget said...: I very much want to believe that we have an attorney general who will do the right thing but I don't know any longer.

OT: Regarding the expulsion of union protesters from Tennessee Senate Chambers, Ron Ramsey (R), Senate Speaker said:

"This General Assembly will not be intimidated by nomadic bands of professional agitators on spring break bent on disruption," he said. "We talk through our differences here. Tennessee is not Wisconsin."

Made me laugh.; 3/16/11, 10:59 AM
rhhardin said...: It's the Democrat way.; 3/16/11, 10:59 AM
Lincolntf said...: Is there nobody in the State of Wisconsin willing to investigate the apparent collusion between the police and the Govt. employee protesters? Will it take a brutal assault caught on tape before someone in authority mans up? If nobody is willing to tell the thugs that they have to respect the laws against threatening, intimidation and violence, then Wisconsin will have brought that shame and horror on itself.; 3/16/11, 10:59 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Freedom and fairness = breaking up the corrupt union/democrat party money laundering scheme.

Taxes can not and should not be
raised to pay for never-ending union largesse.

Bad teachers should be fired. Teacher's unions are ruining public education in America. America is waking up.; 3/16/11, 11:00 AM
blake said...: But it only discredits the individuals involved and is no basis for collective guilt.

Unlike the racist tea parties.; 3/16/11, 11:01 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Watching the second video I wouldn't believe a thing that Republican woman says without evidence. They lie. We now call Walker "Governor Pants on Fire" because he has been found to be lying so frequently (doubt althouse would ever mention that).

I very much want to believe that we have an attorney general who will do the right thing but I don't know any longer.

I doubt Van Hollen will act on the lawlessness of Legislative Republicans and the Walker Administration.

The Capitol remains under lockdown and with tighter security than after 9-11 despite the rather clear order from Judge Albert that it be restored to access policies in effect on Jan 28.

He's a complete political hack. Like David Prosser ion the Supreme Court, whose campaign aide said he would work with Walker and Republicans. Pretty outrageous.

Yes, Wisconsin has been very divided by Scott Walker's antagonistic and bullying actions. Expect more such conflicts.; 3/16/11, 11:04 AM
paminwi said...: Hey AlphaLiberal: "Ah, one person allegedly rips up a piece of paper and that means all people opposing union busting are guilty." I suppose that when 1 (one) person brings a racist poster to a Tea Party Rally only that one person is guilty? Tell me that happened? According to the MSM and all you lefties out there "the Tea Party is racist". I say bulls**t to your statement - what is good enough for the goose is good for the gander.

So take your sob story somewhere else. I'm not buying it - your HYPROCRISY is disgusting!; 3/16/11, 11:05 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Here is some more classiness from the Tea Party ranks:

"It might be a good idea to control illegal immigration the way the feral hog population has been controlled -- with hunters shooting from helicopters."; 3/16/11, 11:06 AM
Wince said...: AL,

I'd take your assertions more seriously if you provided links.; 3/16/11, 11:08 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: I suppose that when 1 (one) person brings a racist poster to a Tea Party Rally only that one person is guilty?

Liar. I never said that. NAACP never said that.

There is clearly a strong racist element within the Tea Party. There are mass-produced racist posters.

But you can't reasons with such dishonest people. So fuck off.; 3/16/11, 11:08 AM
Mogget said...: I don't think he asking for reasoning. I think he's asking for proof.

Ball's in your court, A-Lib.; 3/16/11, 11:09 AM
Henry said...: True. You can't reason with dishonest people.; 3/16/11, 11:10 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: here is your link for the racist Republican suggesting shooting immigrants from helos:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/mar/14/legislators-comment-illegal-immigration-criticized/

But, hey, you didn't see it on Fox News, so it never happened right?; 3/16/11, 11:10 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Proof of what, Moggett?

Proof that paminwi lied when he said the criticism of Tea Party is that they are all racist?

Isn't it his job to provide the proof of his allegation instead of making false accusations?

Most conservatives today guys routinely lie and misrepresent others, even as you pose as holier than everyone else.

Most conservatives today want the 10 Commandments in public spaces but you routinely violate the Ninth:

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

(Note: "Most" does not mean "all." It's different!); 3/16/11, 11:14 AM
Chip S. said...: Alpha Lunatic first wrote

"it only discredits the individuals involved and is no basis for collective guilt."

Twelve minutes later, collective guilt was back in vogue with AL:

"Here is some more classiness from the Tea Party ranks:"

I realize that it's tough to keep track of where you are in every succession of phony positions, but you really ought to try harder than this.; 3/16/11, 11:18 AM
Real American said...: Brownshirts!; 3/16/11, 11:18 AM
Mogget said...: Left off the rest of the story, there A-Lib:

Rep. Virgil Peck, R-Tyro, said he was just joking, but that his comment did reflect frustration with the problem of illegal immigration.

Peck made his comment during a discussion by the House Appropriations Committee on state spending for controlling feral swine.

After one of the committee members talked about a program that uses hunters in helicopters to shoot wild swine, Peck suggested that may be a way to control illegal immigration.

Appropriations Chairman Marc Rhoades, R-Newton, said Peck’s comment was inappropriate.

Weapons-grade bad joke, bad taste, criticized roundly by those who heard it. No indication one way or another that this guy is associated with the TEA Party, though.

Still looking for evidence of "strong racists element[s]" within the TEA party. Also waiting for evidence of Walker's or the WI Senate's "lawlessness."

.; 3/16/11, 11:18 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Lawgirl, again with the lies about violence in the protests in Madison.

Judge Albert disagreed in his ruling where he ruled the Walker Admin has acted unconstitutionally in restricting rights to speech and assembly and when he praised the conduct of protesters.

The police from Capitol police, Dane county, Madison and UW have also praised the conduct.

But, hey, your intravenous drip of misinformation from Fox News out on the east coast is all you need to know.

Do you guys even know about the Fox News video alleging violence in Madison with palm trees in the background?

NEWS ALERT: WE DON'T HAVE PALM TREES IN MADISON*. IF THEY HAVE TO MAKE SHIT UP IT AIn'T TRUE

* - OK, we do have some inflatable ones now, but only to mock the shameless lying shills at Fox News.

so long, liars.; 3/16/11, 11:19 AM
blake said...: EDH,

I'd take your assertions more seriously if you provided links.

You shouldn't. When AL showed up here, I took him very seriously, and followed all his links. Every one of them was an assertion presented as evidence from partisans.

Every. Single. One.

Without fail.

Look at his current assertion that "There is clearly a strong racist element within the Tea Party. There are mass-produced racist posters."

Now, you know if that were even remotely true, there'd be videos of this plastered all over the news. The delusional left paints this as "right wing, corporate controlled media" but if you Google it, all you'll see is some pretty weak tea at strongly anti-TP sites.

But note the disjunction between the two sentences. He first says there's racism in the movement. The he says there are mass-produced racist signs.

He's trying to get people to infer that he has information about the latter which has lead him to his conclusion about the former, without actually saying "There are lots of mass produced racist signs being waved at tea parties, demonstrating racism."

That allows him to weasel out when someone calls him on it. If he can't weasel out, he'll use an extraordinarily broad and vague definition of "racism".

There is no honesty in him.; 3/16/11, 11:19 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Chip exhibits poor grasp opf the English language:

"Here is some more classiness from the Tea Party ranks:"

From the ranks does not mean collective guilt. It means from a part, an element.

Really, that's an idiotic and dishonest charge. And I think you know as much.

But, hey, can you show us the palm tree grove sin Madison that Fox News broadcast?; 3/16/11, 11:22 AM
blake said...: See AL's latest link for a demonstration of his dishonesty: He takes a joke and deliberately misrepresents it as a serious policy position.

This is a common tactic. As someone who has wasted time trying to entertain his arguments seriously, I advise others to just be aware of that before trying to.

There is NO honesty in him.; 3/16/11, 11:23 AM
Chip S. said...: Actual evidence, as opposed to the voices in AL's head, shows that fans of big government are less educated and more racist than Tea-Party types.; 3/16/11, 11:24 AM
Chip S. said...: No, AL, I have a pretty good grasp of the concept of innuendo. Why is it relevant to note that this quote comes "from the Tea Party ranks" except to suggest that it's informative about the Tea Party "ranks" in general?; 3/16/11, 11:27 AM
paminwi said...: Hey AL: liar - am I?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38234502

I mean this is from the left's favorite TV station - correct?; 3/16/11, 11:32 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Blake lies like a flaming bag of dog crap on the stoop:

When AL showed up here, I took him very seriously, and followed all his links. Every one of them was an assertion presented as evidence from partisans.

Every. Single. One.

Without fail.

Well, I know this is false. And the easiest example is on this very page, where I link to:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/mar/14/legislators-comment-illegal-immigration-criticized/

That's the Lawrence (KS) Journal - World. A daily Kansas newspaper.

I have also linked on this site to Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, federal agencies, Washington Times...

Really, gang, when you have to lie to make your point, maybe it's time to get a new point. Lying is just not persuasive.

But the dominant approach from MOST (not all) conservatives today is to lie, lie, lie.

Just like Governor Pants-on-Fire.; 3/16/11, 11:33 AM
damikesc said...: Critics of gun control AND public unions couldn't ask for better proof to validate their concerns than the useless WI cops. Nice to see WI Dems supporting abuse of police powers; 3/16/11, 11:36 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Chip, so on the uptake:

Why is it relevant to note that this quote comes "from the Tea Party ranks" except to suggest that it's informative about the Tea Party "ranks" in general?

Because it's the exact opposite of what you accused me of. You said I assigned collective guilt. I did not. I just pointed out a recent event that Althouse will never flag and Fox News will never report.

Part of my hope is that someone from the conservative side will say "that ain't right and people need to stop joking about shooting other people."

And I call you on it and all you do is double down and go after my motivations - another scurrilous technique.; 3/16/11, 11:37 AM
Anonymous said...: So, an alleged person allegedly rips up an alleged piece of paper, allegedly in Wisconsin.

1) The tape appears to be heavily edited, some say.

2) You can rent those police uniforms anywhere.

3) Even if all that is alleged is true, the felonious ripping up of a recall petition for Democratic State Senator Jim Holperin for leaving the State to avoid voting on Walker's Budget Repair Bill rarely happens, and therefor an "outlier" to be summarily dismissed.; 3/16/11, 11:38 AM
damikesc said...: When did AL become uselessly batshit insane?

He was once entertaining. Now, he is just tedious.

He is, well, what WI Dems deserve.; 3/16/11, 11:39 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: paminwi, yes, you are a liar. Or perhaps you are just new to the English language. Are you an immigrant?

From the link you provide:

Headline: "NAACP condemns racism in tea party "

In English, that means "in" as in part of, not "the entire Tea Party movement."

From the same article you quote:
"We felt the time had come to stand up and say, 'It's time for the tea party to be responsible members of this democracy and make sure they don't tolerate bigots or bigotry among their members,'" NAACP President Ben Jealous said ahead of the debate. "We don't have a problem with the tea party's existence. We have an issue with their acceptance and welcoming of white supremacists into their organizations."

Again, I hate to have to spend time on 3rd grade English but this is not the same as your lying charge:

According to the MSM and all you lefties out there "the Tea Party is racist".

Did you graduate from middle school, I wonder? This is a very dumb line of argument.; 3/16/11, 11:42 AM
Carol_Herman said...: Professor Jacobson's article hosts the vidio taken by a talk show host: Charlie Sykes.

It seems Sykes let his listeners know that there would be a petition drive. Which is what also brought out the union goons.

From this, I have concluded the TERRIFIED UNION GOONS are listening to Conservative Radio host Charlie Sykes' show ...

And, they just handed him a BONANZA.

HELLO. We live in an INTERNET WORLD. Plus one where Conservative radio, like Fox News, is self-supporting. (And, not on Federal Fund bailouts.)

So, here's my guess. Charles Sykes, ahead, adds traction to this recall effort. Not the other way round.; 3/16/11, 11:42 AM
Robert Pearson said...: In truth, this sort of thing really is a species of "democracy" which is why we don't have a "democracy" at either the state or federal level here in the good ol' US of A. What the Madison squatters and this mob have in common is a resentment of the republic that we are and the ability of the legislative body and duly elected executive to enact laws they don't like.

"Democracy" is about masses, our republic is about law. Democracy is when 500 guys can vote to kill Socrates and that's it. That's why the Wisconsin protesters keep using the word. See Huckleberry Finn and the lynch mob scene. In the book, one "man" with a gun sends a mob off in disgrace. Today, the police in the cited story would have arrested that man while the mob tore and scattered the lawful petitions.

Look for more mobs coming right up, especially if The Messiah loses in '12.; 3/16/11, 11:45 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Lawgirl, you're right. I was thinking "you all" in the general sense and didn't know about you specifically.

And I based that on your FALSE charge of thuggishness by union protesters in Madison that was not supported in court testimony nor in the ruling from Judge Albert when he declared Walker's restrictions on speech and assembly to be unconstitutional.; 3/16/11, 11:46 AM
Carol_Herman said...: None of us have crystal balls into the future. But looking at this episode reminds me that the Tea Party People have scared the living daylights out of the democraps!

And, what we're seeing ... weak police responses ... MAY have some sort of effect down the road, IF there's another Tea Party Rally. (With the Republicans in control of the House, I happen to doubt there will be anything like what Obamacare brought out.) But that's just me.

On the other hand?

It's just a matter of time for citizens, themselves, to come equipped to rallies ... to land some heavy weights onto the heads of goons. The police will have their hands full calling ambulances.

Oh, yeah. And, this would be true whether the media boys show up with their trucks. Or not. Because enough people have cell phones ...

That this "incident" did not go unnoticed.; 3/16/11, 11:47 AM
Michael said...: AL: You are not suggesting that a non-American born commenter is of lesser humanity? You would not be mocking the language skills of a new member of our ever diverse society would you? Have you considered the possibility of your remark being racist? Have you considered the hurt that your remarks might cause to a guest of our open armed nation? Have you thought about how your harsh language is judgmental? Think before you type, please.; 3/16/11, 11:48 AM
Spero said...: I think "Alpha Liberal" is a real misnomer. It should "Gamma Liberal" or something even lower... He spouts leftist vitriol from the echo chamber, with no evidence and endless assertions. The thing about the palm trees was discussed ages ago and disproved. It was *never* claimed to be in Wisconsin. That clip was in the context of showing a number of leftist rallies in a number of states, and was never supposed to be in Wisconsin.

Geeze.

I guess that fact that cling to such flimsy, made-up "evidence" is a sign of how ridiculously weak their positions are.

I think any liberal who brings up the Koch brothers, for example, should be immediately tagged as a ineffective trolling idiot, and ignored.

Maybe we can call it "Reich's Law", like "Godwin's Law"....; 3/16/11, 11:49 AM
Wince said...: AL,

You put quotation marks around your italics, which would imply those were the speaker's own words quoted in the story.

Your's is actually a quotation of the summation of the reporter's lead paragraph.

It's not clear if the representative simply said "that might be a good idea to control illegal immigration" following the committee's discussion of shooting hogs from helicopters, and the reporter paraphrased and added the rest for context -- and controversy (an old reporter trick) -- in his lead summation.

Much more of a one-off remark the legislator was chastized for by members of his own party, not something he seriously proposed.

That's why I like the links.

Thanks.

Topeka — A legislator said Monday it might be a good idea to control illegal immigration the way the feral hog population has been controlled: with gunmen shooting from helicopters.

Rep. Virgil Peck, R-Tyro, said he was just joking, but that his comment did reflect frustration with the problem of illegal immigration.

Peck made his comment during a discussion by the House Appropriations Committee on state spending for controlling feral swine.

After one of the committee members talked about a program that uses hunters in helicopters to shoot wild swine, Peck suggested that may be a way to control illegal immigration.

Appropriations Chairman Marc Rhoades, R-Newton, said Peck’s comment was inappropriate.

Rhoades said he thought Peck was joking, but added, “Hopefully he won’t do it again.”; 3/16/11, 11:50 AM
Wince said...: AL,

Keep those links coming.; 3/16/11, 11:51 AM
Mogget said...: Still waiting, A-Lib.

1) Mass-produced signs at TEA Party rallies w/ racist content.

2) Strong racist elements in the TEA Party.

3) Walker's lawlessness; ditto for other WI Republicans involved.

If it's so cut and dried, it ought not to take you long to substantiate it.; 3/16/11, 11:52 AM
Spero said...: Headline: "NAACP condemns racism in tea party "

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I can't believe this idiot is bringing up NAACP claims of racism as some kind of "proof". Clearly this guy doesn't understand the meaning of many plain English words.; 3/16/11, 11:53 AM
Carol_Herman said...: You know, it's not news to me that liberal comments are showing up. I gather if you're a liberal you also have to listen to Rush Limbaugh. (And, read Internet sites.) Or you wouldn't get any news at all.

But these liberal comments are not persuasive speech.

It's bullshit. Makes me laugh! As if there's a counter where you can turn the tides on public opinion.

Also, anyone who has ever listened to Rush knows he takes the phone calls liberals make. He hasn't lost a contest yet.; 3/16/11, 11:55 AM
Unknown said...: Anyone who wishes can surf over to Gateway Pundit or Michelle Malkin where they've been trying to keep track of these assaults.

And, no, they're not isolated incidents.

PS Note Alpha never provides sources unless pressed. And even then only rarely.

I wonder why.; 3/16/11, 12:06 PM
Paco Wové said...: I have to admit that after years of practice, α-Lib is a slightly better liar than he used to be.; 3/16/11, 12:06 PM
VanderDouchen said...: I learned alot today from Mr. AL.

"Liar!" Racist!"

I did not know that before today. I did not know that. There's a one word answer for everything shim dislikes.

wv: meall : AL put the meall in meally.; 3/16/11, 12:12 PM
Steve Koch said...: The video is one more example of the thugocracy the lefties want to install (keep?) in Wisconsin. Worse than tearing up petitions is the blatant attempt at intimidation by the union thugs who are trying to discourage people from getting to the table containing the petition materials. The union and lefty thugs have a right to demonstrate but they should stay away from the Wisconsin people who are trying to exercise their right to petition.

Even worse was that the police let the union and lefty thugs get away with voter intimidation. Shameful. Yet one more (dramatic) reason that public employee unions need to be abolished.

It is telling and shameful that lefties next to never condemn this thuggish and undemocratic behavior by their comrades. The Dems are the ends justifies the means party.; 3/16/11, 12:12 PM
Chip S. said...: A question for the lawyers in the group: Even putting aside the attempt to destroy one or more pages of the petition, would the behavior of the union reps constitute voter intimidation if this were a polling place instead of a petition-drive location? It seems clearly intended to deter people from signing. Are there laws explicitly protecting the right to petition, in this sense of the word?; 3/16/11, 12:32 PM
blake said...: What did I say, Spero? Assertions as fact. That's what AL does.

He implies, and when you challenge it, he says "No, you inferred that."

There is no honesty in him at all.; 3/16/11, 12:46 PM
Drew said...: Do you guys even know about the Fox News video alleging violence in Madison with palm trees in the background?

I know that leftists were so desperate to find ANYTHING they could rally around, that they removed an O'Reilly clip from context, called it "Proof of Fox News Perfidy!" and it became the chanting point for a week.

Which only shows how intellectually bereft the left is.; 3/16/11, 12:51 PM
DADvocate said...: All the more reason to do away with public employee unions. Disgusting

The local police deny failing to act, and instead say they were not given enough information to make an arrest.

Yeah, right. I haven't referred to cops as pigs since my Vietnam protest days, but I'm rethinking that.; 3/16/11, 12:52 PM
Carol_Herman said...: When 2012's elections roll around, will lots of Americans be option to "vote absentee?" Just to avoid the union jerks that may be at the polls?

It's a double-edged sword. Because thugs can suppress ALL votes. But I don't think they can steal US MAIL.

It would become very interesting, if union thugs decided to dump mail trucks.

(Meanwhile, in California, ballot petitions are not collected by volunteers. But by people who are PAID to stand in front of Walmart's ... let's say ... And, collect signatures.)

Here, in California, you can get measures up on the ballot this way.; 3/16/11, 12:53 PM
test said...: A troll says "We now call Walker "Governor Pants on Fire"" because" ...

I'll finish it for him:

both our volunteers and our target audience are mentally juvenile, so we figured we'd steal our slogans from third grade recess.; 3/16/11, 12:57 PM
test said...: "damikesc said...

When did AL become uselessly batshit insane?"

When he went on the payroll. Same as garage.; 3/16/11, 12:59 PM
PogoПОССУМ said...: How very wrong are these union mens.

Dear Leader Lenin said "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

Fear not!
Is no need to smash petitions when the votes they have already been counted!
Victory is at hand!

In Soviet Wiskonsyn, petition signs YOU!!; 3/16/11, 1:14 PM
Anonymous said...: "This is what democracy looks like." Democracy is rabble. All against all. Cui bono? Badgers should be ashamed, they clamor for the overthrow of Locke, Jefferson, Madison, the rise of Leviathan, and the destruction of the American Republic, the noblest nation ever to grace the world. Do you want to be serfs and slaves? Are you that scared of the future?

(Is it a stretch what I claim? Isn't what the union-supporting protesters are asking for: the confiscation of the property of one group, to the benefit of us, because we have the power.); 3/16/11, 1:34 PM
Alex said...: AL:

Ah, one person allegedly rips up a piece of paper and that means all people opposing union busting are guilty.

Is that how you define yourself vis-a-vis the world, by political ideology?; 3/16/11, 1:39 PM
Alex said...: Bring it all down man. Frances Fox Piven style, TEAR IT DOWN!; 3/16/11, 1:39 PM
PaulV said...: AL, those posters you object to were carried by a LaRouche Democrat of color. MSM photoshopped image to hide that he was a black man.; 3/16/11, 1:48 PM
Revenant said...: Typical union behavior. Looks like people will have to start hiring their own private security for these events.; 3/16/11, 2:14 PM
former law student said...: Send New Meade Meadea to cover recall petition circulations.; 3/16/11, 2:19 PM
Methadras said...: Wow, like a deep seated bacteria AlphaLiar rears his ugly head to infect us after all of the fighting has been done. AlphaLiar is the equivalent of a looter. A truth looter.

Hey AL, you show up now? To spew your lying garbage. Now? You are one deranged idiot.; 3/16/11, 2:20 PM
Methadras said...: PogoПОССУМ said...

How very wrong are these union mens.

Dear Leader Lenin said "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

Fear not!
Is no need to smash petitions when the votes they have already been counted!
Victory is at hand!

In Soviet Wiskonsyn, petition signs YOU!!

Jesus Ritmo, we know it's you. Fucking idiot.; 3/16/11, 2:21 PM
Gene said...: AlphaLiberal: You guys want to eliminate collective bargaining but preserve collective guilt - except for yourselves.

Public employee collective bargaining is collective extortion of taxpayers. It's also a scheme to fund Democratic candidates only, since that's there 90% of public employee union contributions go.

When a public employee union goes to negotiate it's like a football game where only one side takes the field, while the public officials who grant the raises cheer for that team from the sideline, supply the officials and rig the scoreboard.; 3/16/11, 2:27 PM
KCFleming said...: "Jesus Ritmo, we know it's you."

Ack! I should be insulted.

But it's only me, via my evil twin, the communist Pogo, for fun. Like the Superman comic alternate history where he lands in the USSR instead of Kansas.
Red Son

But Ritmo? Never!; 3/16/11, 2:33 PM
Methadras said...: Pogo said...

"Jesus Ritmo, we know it's you."

Ack! I should be insulted.

But it's only me, via my evil twin, the communist Pogo, for fun. Like the Superman comic alternate history where he lands in the USSR instead of Kansas.
Red Son

But Ritmo? Never!

It is really? You created a Bizarro Pogo? My bad then. I thought for sure it was a Ritmo dupe trying to insult you actually. Well done, had me going there. I was duped.

Hey, know I know how AlphaLiar feels. [shudder]; 3/16/11, 2:36 PM
KCFleming said...: Bizarro Pogo!

Awesome.

Didn't mean to dupe anyone.
Jes' for laffs!; 3/16/11, 2:44 PM
Methadras said...: Pogo said...

Bizarro Pogo!

Awesome.

Didn't mean to dupe anyone.
Jes' for laffs!

No harm, no foul.; 3/16/11, 2:53 PM
Milwaukie guy said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 3/16/11, 3:02 PM
Milwaukie guy said...: Bizarro Comrade Pogo must continue class struggle. Without leaders such as he, downtrodden and downcast proletarians dream of wet work, bad for Rodina.

Keep our spirits up, for the children!; 3/16/11, 3:03 PM
paminwi said...: Carol Herman: "But I don't think they can steal US MAIL." The woman who is running the recall campaign against Jim Holperin in Eagle River was on the radio this morning. She said that the opposition had approached postal carriers and asked if they would dispose of mail coming to her home that had completed petitions inside. (She was using an envelope that would be easy to distinguish). Remember, postal workers are unionized also - so I think some thought this would be easy to accomplish. The recall group approached the postmaster and was told it would be taken care of. I guess, all she can do is hope that is true.

Point of info: I am making call from Madison to residents in that area to ask if they will support the recall so someone can come to their home to get a signature rather than them coming to a public place and be harassed.; 3/16/11, 3:04 PM
People Died, The President Lied said...: Slick Willie would give you a big 'aw shucks' and pass this off as a simple misunderstanding.

He'd then have you seen off by the accompanying troopers.

Heck that looks like democracy, too!; 3/16/11, 3:04 PM
Known Unknown said...: Pogo's alter ego is brilliant.; 3/16/11, 3:22 PM
Rick67 said...: When I read AlphaLib's first comment thought "that's a reasonable point - although it doesn't explain or excuse the other people or why they didn't restrain this individual or a whole host of others things".

Then I read the 2nd comment. And others. No - not reasonable. There is a certain cleverness to the "reasonable liberal" schtick although it's interesting how quickly they break character.; 3/16/11, 5:04 PM
Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 3/16/11, 5:10 PM
Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...: Comrade Pogo правила! (rules)

Probably not an accurate translation; 3/16/11, 5:15 PM
Fen said...: AlphaLibtard: Do you guys even know about the Fox News video alleging violence in Madison with palm trees in the background?

I saw the clip. In a discussion about Union protests across the nation, they showed union thugs getting violent in Sacramento. Hence the palm trees. That clip was clearly labelled "Union Protests".

Then they switched back to Madison, Wisconsin to continue followup questions re the union protest there. That segment of the clip was clearly labelled "Madison, Wisconsin".

NEWS ALERT: WE DON'T HAVE PALM TREES IN MADISON*. IF THEY HAVE TO MAKE SHIT UP IT AIn'T TRUE

That you think this is some kinda "gotcha" proof only illustrates why no one here takes you seriously.; 3/16/11, 8:49 PM
Carol_Herman said...: I was in my local post office. There was a dime on the floor. So I picked it up and moved it toward the clerk. He said NO WAY WOULD HE TOUCH IT! He said the post office does sting operations. With hidden videos. And, if you're caught pocketing money that has fallen on the floor YOU ARE FIRED.

Did I think this was true? Yup.

So, I don't think a postal operator will purposely steal and destroy mail. It's not worth losing his pension over.

A statement I first heard a cop make. At traffic stops (back in the old days), people would keep a $5 bill by their license. And, hand their wallets over to the cop. Who had stopped them for a speeding violation.

Yes, cops used to take small bribes. And, then a few got caught and lost their jobs. Lost their pensions.

So, hearing that someone wouldn't want to lose their pension sounds like the truth to me.

Union thugs making it difficult to sign petitions? I think this particular scene was a response to Conservative Talk Radio Show's Charlie Sykes "invitation" to come and sign petitions. Where the union responded with thugs ... to a radio talk show host's offer that went out over the airwaves.

Police, in general are becoming very nervous now at people who just video tape them. Given how many citizens are carrying cell phones with cameras in them. The bigger worry is held by individual cops.

Especially when an event goes viral.; 3/16/11, 9:43 PM
Anonymous said...: What section of Wisconsin state law addresses ripping up a recall petition, and what is the penalty?; 3/16/11, 11:08 PM
Willy said...: It just goes from bad to worse as I browse this blog by a law Prof. If you watch the video, the petition that was "destroyed" was blank. It might have one signature at the top. And it's still legible it seems. Also they have plenty of blank forms underneath the torn one and on the other clipboards.

While I don't condone these sorts of actions, it really is a weak and misleading post. The word "petitions"-- plural-- isn't even supported by the video. The other implication is that signatures were destroyed. The word "petitions" doesn't tell you their BLANK petitions. And like I said, the video basically shows ONE-- SINGULAR-- petition ripped.

Plus this is the kind of video that could easily be faked. You don't know who did the tearing or what actually happened. Why someone wouldn't do THAT would they?; 3/17/11, 4:30 AM