Seriously though, I'm a Christianist neocon teabagging rightwing nutjob and there are nuts in every religion. The man's a psychopath, lock him up for good.
Muzzammil Hassan founded Bridge TV in 2004. The American-Islamic station was designed to combat the negative stereotype of Muslims post-9/11. His wife was its general manager.
Does he think that killing his wife will help combat stereotypes too?
"As we say down South, "She/he needed killin'." It's an accepted defense in Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi."
I've lived in three of those states and I don't believe it is acceptable any longer - at least for men. There was this one recent instance where a preacher's wife shotgunned her husband and got off cause he was allegedly abusive in the past (although not atthe time she offed him - she ambushed him)
I think it works better as a defense for women than men. Obviously this case is an example of that.
Yeah, the prosecution is really risking an overturn of the conviction on the appeal. I mean, the appellant court will be ask, "who started it". The prosecution should have just gone with mutilation of the corpse. Because the stabbing was self-defense; but the beheading wasn't necessary. Just saying...
Oh wait... this just in... Beheading is necessary in Sharia Law...
According to Wiki, he was married twice before with divorce grounds of domestic violence and abuse.
Prior to his marriage to Aasiya Zubair, Hassan was married twice before: first, to a Caucasian American woman, Janice, with whom he had two children, Michael and Sonia; second, for 13 months to a Pakistani-American Muslim woman, Sadia. According to Sadia's cousin, Zerqa Abid, both of his earlier wives filed for divorce on the same grounds of severe domestic violence and abuses.
A sociopath-type (words of the DA Frank Sedita) and pathological liar, Mo Hassan sawed his wife's head off with a brand new hunting knife. This, after 45 or so stab wounds to the body later. The beheading was as he had planned.
This murder and trial can be summed up this way; Brutal Murder and the Theater of the Absurd.
This man 'fired' 4 attorneys and ended up 'representing' himself with the aid of the last attorney that agreed to assist.
There were many surreal moments, namely when he would ask himself questions, under the careful watch of the judge.
And the poor, confused bastard couldn't be put away for life withOUT the possibility of parole, because that's reserved for SERIOUS haters, like cop-killers. (Que?!?!?) Wife killerbeheaders...not so much. Everyone hates their wife ~ or is at least seriously sick of her shiite ~ once in a while, right? 2d degree it is!
I noticed some more of that Muslim blinder thing on TV the other night, when Michelle and Hillary were handing out wimmins' medals at the White House: Odd how World News Tonight fails to mention Islam/Sharia as reason behind women's subjugation when they laud their bravery breaking "free".
"Muzzammil Hassan was convicted in February of the monstrous murder of his spouse, Aasiya Hassan. It took the jury less than an hour to find him guilty of second-degree murder.
... [snip] ...
The defendant viciously killed ... and desecrated [his wife's] body because six days earlier she had dared to file for divorce ...
... [snip] ...
The 46-year-old lured his wife to the television studio where the couple worked on Feb. 12, 2009. He then attacked her with a pair of hunting knives, stabbed her 40 times, then severed her head."
Yee Gawd ... Will one or more of lawyers here please tell me what it takes to constitute "First Degree Murder?" Is "premeditation" any part of it anymore?
@mikeR I think they are serious comments about Islam today. But I think I would argue it is unfair to conflate one Muslim man's murder of his wife with a billion folks who follow Islam. There are plenty of Christians, Atheists, Pagans, Bears fans and Packers fans that beat their wives. To focus on the fact that he is Muslim -- and to draw a direct line between his faith and this murder, and to juxtapose this, to say...Christians in Iowa, is to mix up the likely deeper issues in this man. More to my point, it conflates this type of murder as something purely Islamic, which, it is not. But to assign it this trait does not help us understand each others faith and beliefs. I think that is what upset me. I was being too callous at first, my apologies.
Can you provide a link to murder statistics involving domestic dispute beheadings within the United States by religous or ethnic demographic to support your thesis, please? I obviously need more education.
@shoutingthomas Ah, you're right. My bad. Since this guy speaks for Muslims we should probably take his obviously sane ideas seriously and conflate them with anyone who follow Islam.
There are plenty of Christians, Atheists, Pagans, Bears fans and Packers fans that beat their wives. To focus on the fact that he is Muslim -- and to draw a direct line between his faith and this murder,...
To deny a strong possibility of the line between his Muslim faith and the murder is aggressive ignorance. Packer fans don't beat their wives, only Bears fans do that.
But I think I would argue it is unfair to conflate one Muslim man's murder of his wife with a billion folks who follow Islam.
Perhaps its unfair but when Islamic militants produce snuff videos of their victims being beheaded, it certainly doesn't help the image this guy was trying to help foster.
Also followers of a specific religion aren't a racial group. FYI.
to draw a direct line between his faith and this murder
I don't know about others, but I wasn't drawing a line from his Muslim faith to the murder. My line was from his Muslim faith to the beheading. Yeah, domestic violence leading to murder happens across religions and secular society. But beheadings? That's pretty exclusive to Filipino tribesmen, Mexican drug lords, and Muslims. And this guy admitted to being a member of the latter group. I'm just saying.
"I think I would argue it is unfair to conflate one Muslim man's murder of his wife with a billion folks who follow Islam." Well, I agree that it might be unfair. But say that honest statistics show that there are far more honor killings and wife murders among Muslims than among Christians or Jews? (I haven't looked up any statistics.) Could one wonder whether there is a cultural attitude in parts of Muslim society that allows these things in a way that American society just doesn't? I would say that that should be acceptable discussion, just as we should be able to wonder about whether black culture in America is right now having a terrible problem with absentee fathers, without being in any way racist against blacks.
Ah, you're right. My bad. Since this guy speaks for Muslims we should probably take his obviously sane ideas seriously and conflate them with anyone who follow Islam.
Not a bad idea.
The religious zeal of the anti-bigot brigade has descended into madness.
Not surprise, considering the 50 years of indoctrination that it is evil to impute any common characteristics to any group.
The outcome is the kind of mind lock and vapours afflicting this Oglebay dingbat.
It's gotten so bad that, to this day, President Obama has refused to acknowledge that the Fort Hood killings were a terrorist assault, despite the fact that the murderer was screaming "Allahu Akbar!"
Must not see what is right in front of your face. That would make you a racist. Better that Americans die in a massacre than to confront reality. Because that would make you a bigot.
On the criticisms of my use of 'racism' -- you're right. It was callous and reactionary. Apologies. While I cannot, off the top of my head (...), think of any domestic dispute be-headings (would you consider a brother cutting off the head of his sister a domestic dispute? Google Kerby Revelus) -- I think my point is that to compare this Muslim man's actions to the whole of Islam, or to compare it to the actions of other domestic abusers in other religions, obfuscates the actual issues that belief differences raise.
I think my point is that to compare this Muslim man's actions to the whole of Islam, or to compare it to the actions of other domestic abusers in other religions, obfuscates the actual issues that belief differences raise.
Bullshit. It explicates the issue.
Are you in possession of your mental faculties?
How badly did they beat you in Diversity Training?
I think my point is that to compare this Muslim man's actions to the whole of Islam, or to compare it to the actions of other domestic abusers in other religions, obfuscates the actual issues that belief differences raise.
Care to rewrite this? Or are you suggesting it was a bad idea to obfuscate what this man did by comparing it to abuse from other religions, because his beliefs are different from those other religions?
@shoutingthomas Ah, you're right. My bad. Since this guy speaks for Muslims we should probably take his obviously sane ideas seriously and conflate them with anyone who follow Islam.
I think it's better for you to lurk. First of all, 10% of islam which is roughly 110 million people are radical, beheading nut jobs that we are fighting around the world. The other 90% do nothing about it. The entire religion is fairly complicit in it's goals and aims about what they really stand for, which is to say, death. Islam is a death cult always has been, always will be. If you don't understand that, then you have been blind for a long long time.
The connection from this particular killing to Islam is pretty compelling in my opinion.
Yes, there is domestic violence in all cultures, but the method of killing used in this instance, and which is the norm in that culture- beheading, stoning - is directly drawn from Islamic teaching.
I would like to try and respond to all of you, because you raise some good points (even if I think some of you are taking correct assertions about conservative interpretations of Islam and their relation to how followers of Islam behave as a whole). But I have to get back to work. Will try and be back later.
Aridog said... Yee Gawd ... Will one or more of lawyers here please tell me what it takes to constitute "First Degree Murder?" Is "premeditation" any part of it anymore?
NY state defines first degree murder as cop killing, murder for hire, multiple killins, terrorism, etc
normal premeditated single deaths are second degree
While an argument can be made that the "mode of killing" doesn't make a difference - a bullet is as deadly as a beheading - I don't think it is a valid argument.
Not only should it be considered a murder, but it should also be considered torture, and cruel and unusual violence.
If the "mode of killing" didn't matter, then we would still have firing squads, public hangings, guillotines and such.
I've seen some serious misogyny in different parts of the world - but the utter senselessness of this just boggled the mind.
And yes - Islam has institutionalized misogyny. Lets not beat around the bush. As much as I respect the right of islamic countries to run their countries the way they want to, lets not pretend that women there have the same opportunities as women in the west.
There is plenty of misogyny in India as well (and India is not a muslim country). It is changing..and changing rapidly, but in many of the villages and small towns, the role of women is essentially to cook, clean, and bear children - and they cannot break out of that even if they want to.
"The connection from this particular killing to Islam is pretty compelling in my opinion."
What makes this even more bizarre is the fact that this Mo Hassan ran a 'muslim outreach' community-access TV station. The purpose was to provide the community a positive message of muslim life. I know, it existed where I live, so when this happened with the murder and all it raised a lot of eyebrows.
So Oglebay, you go ahead and sell your message of 'fairness' if you wish, there are certain 'attributes' to all of this that are undeniable. Beheading is a dictate in terms of those that bring shame or opposition, in the view of the radical islamist. Maybe its only 10% of the total but I will tell you the other 90% are scared shitless of those 10%, the 90% think the other 10% are batshit crazy and they are right.
You seem outnumbered here. Well, let me tell you I'm on your side! Just because 99% of all terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims (the most recent exception being the Arizona murders perpetrated by a schizophrenic leftist) and just because 99% of all honor killings are committed by Muslims, you must not back off your assertions!
I'm sure there is some statistical test, somewhere, which will conclusively demonstrate that your opponents don't have a leg to stand on! So hire a statistical consultant and come back with a far more powerful argument.
Not that I'm arguing the fact that this happens in parts of Africa, but, please realize . . . there is no "country of Africa."
Lawgirl, I suspect this was a joke. One of the liberal commenters (I believe it was Dose of Sanity) referred everyone the other day to the "country of Africa" as a Christian country that does bad things.
Casual racism? Some of us take it very seriously, especially when we are talking about that race of muzzies from the country of Africa. Oglebay, you are too stupid to qualify as a douchenozzle.
And how about exhibit A in the latest example of peaceful islam - a muzzie named Muzzammil - what, too many Mohammeds already?
I never understood the Muslim concept of "honor killing." Where is there honor in murdering a defenseless person who is unarmed and who you outweigh by (apparently) 150 pounds at least?
I don't get the beheading. It seems superfluous to behead someone after they have been killed and an extremely messy way of killing someone who is still alive. Spurting aortic blood goes all over the place. Remember, she won't be around to clean up the mess. Is there something in the Koran that explicitly recommends beheading? I think Oglebay is probably correct. Westernized, liberal Muslims just shoot their wives?
Aridog said... Yee Gawd ... Will one or more of lawyers here please tell me what it takes to constitute "First Degree Murder?" Is "premeditation" any part of it anymore?
NY state defines first degree murder as cop killing, murder for hire, multiple killings, terrorism, etc
normal premeditated single deaths are second degree
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80 comments:
"The prosecution has never asked, who started it?... They never asked the question, who started it?"
Shorter Defense: "BITCH HAD IT COMING."
Seriously though, I'm a Christianist neocon teabagging rightwing nutjob and there are nuts in every religion. The man's a psychopath, lock him up for good.
The first 38 stabs were in self defense.
This had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Islam!
You would have to be a complete bigot and racist to think that it did.
Christians are beheading their wives every day in Iowa.
"... and, Your Honor, in sentencing my client, I urge the court to remember that he is, after all, a widower."
Sounds so crazy, he must have hired Charlie Sheen to be his attorney.
I'm guessing this means he won't be producing his television program anymore?
(The Crypto Jew)
Did they try the Chewbacca Defense?
The best line in the story is at the end:
Muzzammil Hassan founded Bridge TV in 2004. The American-Islamic station was designed to combat the negative stereotype of Muslims post-9/11. His wife was its general manager.
Does he think that killing his wife will help combat stereotypes too?
To a Muslim man, any disrespect is hard to take...but from a woman he owns it is impossible to take it. Ergo, she made him do it.
Well, if she started it, I can see the first 39 stabbings, but not the beheading.
Shorter Defense: "BITCH HAD IT COMING."
As we say down South, "She/he needed killin'." It's an accepted defense in Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi.
As we say down South, "She/he needed killin'." It's an accepted defense in Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi.
Applicable in Florida as well.
"As we say down South, "She/he needed killin'." It's an accepted defense in Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi."
I've lived in three of those states and I don't believe it is acceptable any longer - at least for men. There was this one recent instance where a preacher's wife shotgunned her husband and got off cause he was allegedly abusive in the past (although not atthe time she offed him - she ambushed him)
I think it works better as a defense for women than men. Obviously this case is an example of that.
Yeah, the prosecution is really risking an overturn of the conviction on the appeal. I mean, the appellant court will be ask, "who started it". The prosecution should have just gone with mutilation of the corpse. Because the stabbing was self-defense; but the beheading wasn't necessary. Just saying...
Oh wait... this just in... Beheading is necessary in Sharia Law...
Hope the guy doesn't live Oklahoma.
Oh wait... this just in... Beheading is necessary in Sharia Law...
I thought I told you:
This had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Islam!
You would have to be a complete bigot and racist to think that it did.
So, you are OFFICIALLY a complete bigot and racist! Congratulations.
Please behead yourself.
There for the grace of God......
According to Wiki, he was married twice before with divorce grounds of domestic violence and abuse.
Prior to his marriage to Aasiya Zubair, Hassan was married twice before: first, to a Caucasian American woman, Janice, with whom he had two children, Michael and Sonia; second, for 13 months to a Pakistani-American Muslim woman, Sadia. According to Sadia's cousin, Zerqa Abid, both of his earlier wives filed for divorce on the same grounds of severe domestic violence and abuses.
Lost in all this clever chit-chat:
Muzzammil Hassan founded Bridge TV in 2004. The American-Islamic station was designed to combat the negative stereotype of Muslims post-9/11.
How did that work out?
I guess that depends on how you look at beheading.
Madison Man beat me to the punch - the money quote of the article as far as I'm concerned.
"Epic Fail" as the kids say.
WV: dimmin (isn't that what Muslims consider "good" non-believers?"
This guy deserves everything he gets.
A sociopath-type (words of the DA Frank Sedita) and pathological liar, Mo Hassan sawed his wife's head off with a brand new hunting knife. This, after 45 or so stab wounds to the body later. The beheading was as he had planned.
This murder and trial can be summed up this way; Brutal Murder and the Theater of the Absurd.
This man 'fired' 4 attorneys and ended up 'representing' himself with the aid of the last attorney that agreed to assist.
There were many surreal moments, namely when he would ask himself questions, under the careful watch of the judge.
You can't make this stuff up!
wv - lateoni
Reheat the mac
I know I'm new around these parts, but have to say it sucks to see casual racism happening here.
In this country, the law doesn't care who started it - only whodunit.
DADvocate said...
Shorter Defense: "BITCH HAD IT COMING."
As we say down South, "She/he needed killin'." It's an accepted defense in Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi.
I thought that only worked if she caught him with her.
And the poor, confused bastard couldn't be put away for life withOUT the possibility of parole, because that's reserved for SERIOUS haters, like cop-killers. (Que?!?!?) Wife killerbeheaders...not so much. Everyone hates their wife ~ or is at least seriously sick of her shiite ~ once in a while, right?
2d degree it is!
I noticed some more of that Muslim blinder thing on TV the other night, when Michelle and Hillary were handing out wimmins' medals at the White House: Odd how World News Tonight fails to mention Islam/Sharia as reason behind women's subjugation when they laud their bravery breaking "free".
"Muzzammil Hassan was convicted in February of the monstrous murder of his spouse, Aasiya Hassan. It took the jury less than an hour to find him guilty of second-degree murder.
... [snip] ...
The defendant viciously killed ... and desecrated [his wife's] body because six days earlier she had dared to file for divorce ...
... [snip] ...
The 46-year-old lured his wife to the television studio where the couple worked on Feb. 12, 2009. He then attacked her with a pair of hunting knives, stabbed her 40 times, then severed her head."
Yee Gawd ... Will one or more of lawyers here please tell me what it takes to constitute "First Degree Murder?" Is "premeditation" any part of it anymore?
Oglebay,
What "race" is muslim?
@Olgebay
...but have to say it sucks to see casual racism happening here.
As a regular commenter I have to say it sucks to see a reader who cannot detect sarcasm happening here.
Okayokay...I was being reactionary. Will hang out more before I dive in.
Oglebay, are you taking the comments about Islam as being racist? Why can't they be serious comments about the state of Islam today?
Schiller said we didn't have enough Muslim voices on TV and now we have one less. How will we ever see the truth?
@mikeR
I think they are serious comments about Islam today. But I think I would argue it is unfair to conflate one Muslim man's murder of his wife with a billion folks who follow Islam. There are plenty of Christians, Atheists, Pagans, Bears fans and Packers fans that beat their wives. To focus on the fact that he is Muslim -- and to draw a direct line between his faith and this murder, and to juxtapose this, to say...Christians in Iowa, is to mix up the likely deeper issues in this man. More to my point, it conflates this type of murder as something purely Islamic, which, it is not. But to assign it this trait does not help us understand each others faith and beliefs. I think that is what upset me. I was being too callous at first, my apologies.
Oglebay, that is seriously stupid.
This murderer actually purported to speak for Muslims.
@oglebay
Can you provide a link to murder statistics involving domestic dispute beheadings within the United States by religous or ethnic demographic to support your thesis, please? I obviously need more education.
@shoutingthomas
Ah, you're right. My bad. Since this guy speaks for Muslims we should probably take his obviously sane ideas seriously and conflate them with anyone who follow Islam.
There are plenty of Christians, Atheists, Pagans, Bears fans and Packers fans that beat their wives. To focus on the fact that he is Muslim -- and to draw a direct line between his faith and this murder,...
To deny a strong possibility of the line between his Muslim faith and the murder is aggressive ignorance. Packer fans don't beat their wives, only Bears fans do that.
But I think I would argue it is unfair to conflate one Muslim man's murder of his wife with a billion folks who follow Islam.
Perhaps its unfair but when Islamic militants produce snuff videos of their victims being beheaded, it certainly doesn't help the image this guy was trying to help foster.
Also followers of a specific religion aren't a racial group. FYI.
to draw a direct line between his faith and this murder
I don't know about others, but I wasn't drawing a line from his Muslim faith to the murder. My line was from his Muslim faith to the beheading. Yeah, domestic violence leading to murder happens across religions and secular society. But beheadings? That's pretty exclusive to Filipino tribesmen, Mexican drug lords, and Muslims. And this guy admitted to being a member of the latter group. I'm just saying.
"I know I'm new around these parts, but have to say it sucks to see casual racism happening here."
I know how you feel . . . it sucks to see people claim racism where none exists around here as well.
The followers of the Religion of Peace are made up of many races. How short-sighted of you not to know this.
"I think I would argue it is unfair to conflate one Muslim man's murder of his wife with a billion folks who follow Islam." Well, I agree that it might be unfair. But say that honest statistics show that there are far more honor killings and wife murders among Muslims than among Christians or Jews? (I haven't looked up any statistics.) Could one wonder whether there is a cultural attitude in parts of Muslim society that allows these things in a way that American society just doesn't? I would say that that should be acceptable discussion, just as we should be able to wonder about whether black culture in America is right now having a terrible problem with absentee fathers, without being in any way racist against blacks.
"I think I would argue it is unfair to conflate one Muslim man's murder of his wife with a billion folks who follow Islam."
No, just the men. And even then mostly just the radical orthodox Muslim men.
Your guess is as good as mine as to how many that is.
Ah, you're right. My bad. Since this guy speaks for Muslims we should probably take his obviously sane ideas seriously and conflate them with anyone who follow Islam.
Not a bad idea.
The religious zeal of the anti-bigot brigade has descended into madness.
Not surprise, considering the 50 years of indoctrination that it is evil to impute any common characteristics to any group.
The outcome is the kind of mind lock and vapours afflicting this Oglebay dingbat.
It's gotten so bad that, to this day, President Obama has refused to acknowledge that the Fort Hood killings were a terrorist assault, despite the fact that the murderer was screaming "Allahu Akbar!"
Must not see what is right in front of your face. That would make you a racist. Better that Americans die in a massacre than to confront reality. Because that would make you a bigot.
On the criticisms of my use of 'racism' -- you're right. It was callous and reactionary. Apologies. While I cannot, off the top of my head (...), think of any domestic dispute be-headings (would you consider a brother cutting off the head of his sister a domestic dispute? Google Kerby Revelus) -- I think my point is that to compare this Muslim man's actions to the whole of Islam, or to compare it to the actions of other domestic abusers in other religions, obfuscates the actual issues that belief differences raise.
I think my point is that to compare this Muslim man's actions to the whole of Islam, or to compare it to the actions of other domestic abusers in other religions, obfuscates the actual issues that belief differences raise.
Bullshit. It explicates the issue.
Are you in possession of your mental faculties?
How badly did they beat you in Diversity Training?
I think my point is that to compare this Muslim man's actions to the whole of Islam, or to compare it to the actions of other domestic abusers in other religions, obfuscates the actual issues that belief differences raise.
Care to rewrite this? Or are you suggesting it was a bad idea to obfuscate what this man did by comparing it to abuse from other religions, because his beliefs are different from those other religions?
Was it an honor killing because that should get him absolved right away.
Under sharia law he would go free.
Oglebay said...
@shoutingthomas
Ah, you're right. My bad. Since this guy speaks for Muslims we should probably take his obviously sane ideas seriously and conflate them with anyone who follow Islam.
I think it's better for you to lurk. First of all, 10% of islam which is roughly 110 million people are radical, beheading nut jobs that we are fighting around the world. The other 90% do nothing about it. The entire religion is fairly complicit in it's goals and aims about what they really stand for, which is to say, death. Islam is a death cult always has been, always will be. If you don't understand that, then you have been blind for a long long time.
@oglesbay
You google it. You wouldn't be equating voodoo/animus with Islam, would you? The Muslims will behead you for that, you know.
The connection from this particular killing to Islam is pretty compelling in my opinion.
Yes, there is domestic violence in all cultures, but the method of killing used in this instance, and which is the norm in that culture- beheading, stoning - is directly drawn from Islamic teaching.
I would like to try and respond to all of you, because you raise some good points (even if I think some of you are taking correct assertions about conservative interpretations of Islam and their relation to how followers of Islam behave as a whole). But I have to get back to work. Will try and be back later.
Why doesn't the racist media comment on the frequent spousal beheadings among Wisconsin Lutherans?
The Stoning of Soraya M.: A True Story
Burned Alive: A Survivor of an "Honor Killing" Speaks Out
Infidel
Now They Call Me Infidel
I Am Nujood, Age 10 and Divorced
Disfigured: A Saudi Woman's Story of Triumph over Violence
Damn these "racist" women. Damn them, I say!
Aridog said...
Yee Gawd ... Will one or more of lawyers here please tell me what it takes to constitute "First Degree Murder?" Is "premeditation" any part of it anymore?
NY state defines first degree murder as cop killing, murder for hire, multiple killins, terrorism, etc
normal premeditated single deaths are second degree
Ladies and Gentleman, THIS is a misogynist.
Please make a note of it.
"Christians are beheading their wives every day in Iowa."
That wouldn't be happening if they were forced to join a union.
But I have to get back to work. Will try and be back later.
You say so brave Sir Robin.
Hey Crack you know the only woman who would be totally safe marrying a Muslim?
Mary Katherine Ham.
You know under Sharia Law he couldn't touch her. Just sayn'
Wow.
I know I'm new around these parts, but have to say it sucks to see casual racism happening here.
Shut up, whitey.
@Trooper - that post made me burst out laughing.
The clever-est commenters really are at the Althouse blog!
Thanks!
While an argument can be made that the "mode of killing" doesn't make a difference - a bullet is as deadly as a beheading - I don't think it is a valid argument.
Not only should it be considered a murder, but it should also be considered torture, and cruel and unusual violence.
If the "mode of killing" didn't matter, then we would still have firing squads, public hangings, guillotines and such.
I've seen some serious misogyny in different parts of the world - but the utter senselessness of this just boggled the mind.
And yes - Islam has institutionalized misogyny. Lets not beat around the bush. As much as I respect the right of islamic countries to run their countries the way they want to, lets not pretend that women there have the same opportunities as women in the west.
There is plenty of misogyny in India as well (and India is not a muslim country). It is changing..and changing rapidly, but in many of the villages and small towns, the role of women is essentially to cook, clean, and bear children - and they cannot break out of that even if they want to.
"Christians are beheading their wives every day in Iowa."
As we discussed just the other day this happens routinely in the country of Africa.
@TWM
"The connection from this particular killing to Islam is pretty compelling in my opinion."
What makes this even more bizarre is the fact that this Mo Hassan ran a 'muslim outreach' community-access TV station. The purpose was to provide the community a positive message of muslim life. I know, it existed where I live, so when this happened with the murder and all it raised a lot of eyebrows.
So Oglebay, you go ahead and sell your message of 'fairness' if you wish, there are certain 'attributes' to all of this that are undeniable. Beheading is a dictate in terms of those that bring shame or opposition, in the view of the radical islamist. Maybe its only 10% of the total but I will tell you the other 90% are scared shitless of those 10%, the 90% think the other 10% are batshit crazy and they are right.
Kent/
You actually have the temerity to argue using historical facts. How quaint..
Marshal said...
"Christians are beheading their wives every day in Iowa."
Jeeeze. Don't tell reader-i-am that!
Oglebay said...
Will hang out more before I dive in
Then Oglebay dives in and finds out there was no water in the pool.
I can't say who started the argument with him but I can say the prison will end it.
He didn't need 25 years. He needed 1000 years in prison. Let him rot.
Oglebay,
You seem outnumbered here. Well, let me tell you I'm on your side! Just because 99% of all terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims (the most recent exception being the Arizona murders perpetrated by a schizophrenic leftist) and just because 99% of all honor killings are committed by Muslims, you must not back off your assertions!
I'm sure there is some statistical test, somewhere, which will conclusively demonstrate that your opponents don't have a leg to stand on! So hire a statistical consultant and come back with a far more powerful argument.
Not that I'm arguing the fact that this happens in parts of Africa, but, please realize . . . there is no "country of Africa."
Lawgirl, I suspect this was a joke. One of the liberal commenters (I believe it was Dose of Sanity) referred everyone the other day to the "country of Africa" as a Christian country that does bad things.
Don't overlook the possibility that this was the pilot episode for a Muslim reality show on Bridge TV. I suppose the show is cancelled now.
Casual racism? Some of us take it very seriously, especially when we are talking about that race of muzzies from the country of Africa. Oglebay, you are too stupid to qualify as a douchenozzle.
And how about exhibit A in the latest example of peaceful islam - a muzzie named Muzzammil - what, too many Mohammeds already?
WV: fensi - runs around the yardi.
"Africa is a huge continent made up of many diverse countries."
Funny how the Tea Party can be summed up in one word but everyone else is diverse. The miracle of narrative!
Who started it? Yeah, she probably spoke back to him. That of course justifys beheading her.
He should never get out of prison.
I never understood the Muslim concept of "honor killing." Where is there honor in murdering a defenseless person who is unarmed and who you outweigh by (apparently) 150 pounds at least?
I don't get the beheading. It seems superfluous to behead someone after they have been killed and an extremely messy way of killing someone who is still alive. Spurting aortic blood goes all over the place. Remember, she won't be around to clean up the mess. Is there something in the Koran that explicitly recommends beheading? I think Oglebay is probably correct. Westernized, liberal Muslims just shoot their wives?
at least he didn't cut off the arms legs and feet. Because that would be overkill.
Allahu akbar, baby.
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Aridog said...
Yee Gawd ... Will one or more of lawyers here please tell me what it takes to constitute "First Degree Murder?" Is "premeditation" any part of it anymore?
NY state defines first degree murder as cop killing, murder for hire, multiple killings, terrorism, etc
normal premeditated single deaths are second degree
3/9/11 2:28 PM
OMG that is so wrong!!! When did that change?
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