January 13, 2011

What Obama said — after the Tucson massacre — about "human understanding" and the "old assumptions" we ought to challenge.

Following the advice in the Shaker hymn that followed the President's speech last night, I kept it simple. I highlighted the passage in the speech about how we should take "a good dose of humility" and not "use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another." But I'm not a Shaker, and I'm a little wary when the most powerful man in the world advises the masses to be humble and come together as one. So I want to look at what he said just before that:
Scripture tells us that there is evil in the world, and that terrible things happen for reasons that defy human understanding. In the words of Job, "when I looked for light, then came darkness." Bad things happen, and we must guard against simple explanations in the aftermath.
But "there is evil in the world" is a simple explanation!
For the truth is that none of us can know exactly what triggered this vicious attack. 
How about: Jared Loughner is a lunatic? Okay, Obama said "exactly." Yes, I agree with his very minor point that we cannot know the precise content and etiology of Loughner's madness. But as we try to understand the political landscape of the real world where non-insane people live, those details don't matter. We have a simple explanation and it's a damned good one. Yet the President tells me I ought to "guard against" thinking in such simple terms. Why? Sometimes it is simple! Jared Loughner is a lone crazy guy. There is evil in the world and it burst forth last Saturday. It's not like labeling al Qaeda "evil" and moving on, because Loughner wasn't part of a web of activity. I think what we need to "guard against" is using Loughner as an example of some larger problem that we need to solve.

Obama continued:
None of us can know with any certainty what might have stopped those shots from being fired, or what thoughts lurked in the inner recesses of a violent man's mind.
True. We can't know with certainty what his mental processes were, but we are justified in taking it as our working theory that the man was crazy in a way that doesn't relate to the real-world political issues that are worth putting our energy into trying to figure out — other than the real-world issue of identifying and restraining dangerously psychotic persons.
So yes, we must examine all the facts behind this tragedy. We cannot and will not be passive in the face of such violence. We should be willing to challenge old assumptions in order to lessen the prospects of violence in the future.
That's what Obama said just before the passage I highlighted in last night. He goes on to push back those who've used the massacre as an occasion to make partisan political arguments — something he's strongly correct about. All right, then. What are we supposed to examine? We should be willing to challenge old assumptions in order to lessen the prospects of violence in the future. Does he mean old assumptions about the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill? Does he mean gun control? Does he mean limits on free speech? Now, there are some details we need to hear about and debate. If freedom of speech is the "old assumption" we should be "willing to challenge," I'm going to fight.

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Trooper York said...

Hey I am going to print up some t-shirts that say:

Wallowing in Wounded Narcissim"

garage mahal said...

@Meade
Sorry, not following that one at all. Especially the "George" part. Are you a Giants fan, and still dizzy from the beatdown Tarzan dished out in the last game?

Trooper York said...

We could sent one to the President.

And the first lady. It would be a nice change from the one she usually wears.

Roger J. said...

Trooper--you remind me a bit of Yorick in Hamlet--"I knew him, horatio, a man of infinite jest"

Love your sense of humor and your ability to be kind -- you are mensch--even though mensche's dont ordinarily get cavalry sabers. And unlike House, I will deliver--you can ask Garage

Trooper York said...

Meade is role playing Garage. He likes to do that dontca know.

Here he was channeling the retard guy from "Of Mice and Men."

It's a lot less distrubing than we he role plays 9 1/2 weeks. Just sayn'

Roger J. said...

and I knew you would would know Captain Nathan Brittles--the john ford cavalry series should be required viewing for all.

Roger J. said...

Trooper: if you want your saber engraved let me know--will be privileged to do that--(but it cant reference the giants)

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garage mahal said...

Meade is role playing Garage. He likes to do that dontca know.

Right over my head. Like an Eli Manning pass. Sorry, I can't help myself. I'll stop now.

Roger J. said...

Ah yes--as I predicted, house could just not fade away a la MacArthur--such a loser HD--really

Lincolntf said...

Poor, wounded HD, being picked on by the big, bad, lady blogger.

Wipe your tears away, old-timer, I'm sure your streak of posts with zero comments will resume again tomorrow.

"The Shipping News"? Bwahahahaha...

Meade said...

" he role (sic) plays 9 1/2 "

Also, ice cube and blindfold plays.

chickelit said...

Bitching at me is a manifestation of your wounded narcissism.

"Narcissism" is such an awkward sounding word. Everything sounds better in Italian and their mellifluous word narisismo is pronounced:
nar-cheese-EASE-mo.

chickelit said...

Damn, narcisismo!

Roger J. said...

Yo House: deleted your whiney post--come on son--man up. Geeze, Sarah Palin would gut you like a dead moose.

Roger J. said...

House? House? Bueller? Loser?

JAL said...

This flouncing thing reminds me of my oldest daughter's little friend when they would get into it ... age ... mmm ... 6?

She would toss her head, nose in the air -- "I am *not* going to play with *you* any.more!!" and head up the hill to her house.

Within a half hour ... maybe even 15 minutes ... she'd be on the phone.

It's just a matter of time.

Meade said...

JAL is right - Ann needs to march right over and call HDHouse on the phone!

knox said...

I'm sorry you and this once fine blog have turned out the way you have. I mean that. I am ashamed for you...

Very similar response to that of those pissed because she voted for Obama.

2 sides of the same coin ... the boring one.

Trooper York said...
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Trooper York said...

You know what is the most difficult part about role playing?

You both have to have the same fantasy.

I mean what if you are playing “Little House on the Prairie” and you want her to be the hot blind sister but she insists on channeling Nellie Olsen? Just sayn’

Scott M said...

The most difficult things about role playing are griefers, twinkers, and gold-mining Asian 8-year-olds.

Trooper York said...

You know who was the worst about role playing? Soupy Sales.

He was a furry.

chickelit said...

garage mahal said...Right over my head. Like an Eli Manning pass. Sorry, I can't help myself. I'll stop now.

The Garage is on fire today. I hope his tanks of spare vitroleum don't ignite.

master cylinder said...

Like I said-I can't look away. Not sure what you are calling bullshit on....the contrarian routine is where your commenters all say totally right wing talking points stuff, in response to one of your interesting, thoughtful posts that are so powerful.

chickelit said...

master cylinder said...
..your commenters all say totally right wing talking points stuff, in response to...

Are you calling me a slave cylinder?

Mikio said...

If freedom of speech is the "old assumption" we should be "willing to challenge," I'm going to fight. -- Ann Althouse

Fight? Conservatives/libertarians/tea party people already lost. Unfortunately, it took this tragedy to do it, but they now have to censor themselves of their identity-driven, sickeningly stupid, irresponsible gun rhetoric or face a much bigger public ass kicking from now on and it won’t be from just us liberals anymore. Not for awhile at least.

Don’t believe me? Let’s see how long it will be until Palin or Bachmann puts out another gun metaphor again.

This is the silver lining in all this that I see.

Trooper York said...

Oh boy.

Talk about your role players.

Trooper York said...

I mean who in their right mind wants to channel Keith Olberman?

master cylinder said...

Like I said, I can't look away from your powerful posts.

chickelit said...

This is the silver lining in all this that I see.

Cloud-seeding is so 20th century. These days silver is used to line fabrics to prevent bacterial rot and decay.

kent said...

Like various other commenters who've flounced off from my comments section, you're wallowing in vanity about how the readers who are here are somehow rightfully yours. Bitching at me is a manifestation of your wounded narcissism. I would be embarrassed if I did that.

... and that, ladies and germs, is how one properly crunches a cockroach.

*SKOOOOSSHH*!!!

kent said...

"The power of Christ compels you! The power of Christ compels you!"

Things men say to control Nancy Pelosi.

Trooper York said...

"... and that, ladies and germs, is how one properly crunches a cockroach."

That was Mondays story. This it totally different.

Anonymous said...

A "memorial service" interrupted 53 times by applause, with free T-shirts. Sounds more like the kick-off of the '12 campaign to me.

R.L. Hunter said...

Meade said...

Let's skate on the lake.

You wear that extraordinarily beautiful new hand-knit scarf that came in the mail - the one that flatters your eyes. And then dinner at your favorite place.

Want to?
Ann Althouse said...
Anything with you, baby.

HDHouse wrote:

"... I've never seen you like this. It isn't pretty."

Ann Althouse said...

Things men say to women to try to control them. Feminism 101. Try a trick I wasn't wise to 30 years ago, buddy.

Proving what most of us guys learned way back when our thoughts on girls went from "useless creatures that cant throw a ball" to "WOW She smiled at me, I think she likes me"

If you want to impress the ladies complements work better than pulling their hair.
(Unless they're into that kind of thing NTTAWWT)

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dbp said...

Mikio, the only people who came out of this looking like fools were the genuses that tried to equate political speech with senseless violence.

Palin might use bellicose speech just to bait the MSM into criticising her. Then she can remind the public of how moronic they were last time they did this.

AlphaLiberal said...

These attacks on Obama after a memorial service. Ann's questions claiming there will be free speech repression.

It's just wrong. You are making things up just to be negative and partisan.

And it's tiresome. And childish. And destructive. And callous. And sinful.

I will do my best to ignore and shun you.

Trooper York said...

Promises, promises.

kent said...

The contrarian routine is indeed tiresome.....

... and yet, somehow, you still manage to find -- nestled somewhere deep within you; in the very innermost portion of your core, essential being -- just enough of the noble, resolute Myrmidon spirit requisite to soldiering selflessly onward, ever onward.

Brave, wonderful soldier!

kent said...

And it's tiresome. And childish. And destructive. And callous. And sinful.

I will do my best to ignore and shun you.


"... and, so saying, he spun about smartly on the padded heel of his Dr. Denton's, and -- chin held high; sippy cup firmly in hand -- strode masterfully off to potty."

R.L. Hunter said...

AlphaLiberal said...

These attacks on Obama after a memorial service. Ann's questions claiming there will be free speech repression.

It's just wrong. You are making things up just to be negative and partisan.


No it's because He took a memorial service and turned it into a publicity stunt.

Now you attempt to seize the moral high ground by chastising us for being "negative and partisan" for pointing out morally reprehensible behavior.

Seems to me you're getting desperate.

Nate Whilk said...

HDHouse said If you don't like Obama that much just say so and be done with it. I've been on this blog for a long time (5 years perhaps) and I've never seen you like this. It isn't pretty.

You don't like what Althouse says, so just leave and be done with it, rather than coming back and complaining for 5 YEARS!! We always see you like this. It isn't pretty, and it isn't completely sane.

Jeremy said, Is there anything president Obama can say or do that the local whiners and the Queen herself won't piss all over themselves about?

Give it a fucking break.

You all sound like 12-year old children.


Is there anything Althouse, Palin, or any conservative can say or do that the left won't piss all over themselves about?

Give it a fucking break.

You all sound like psychopathic 12-year old children.

kent said...

Shorter Alpha,hdhouse, Jeremy:

"You're fighting back, dammit! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH -- !!!"

kent said...

Glenn Reynolds on the left's twitching, frothing obsession with Sarah Palin:

"But here’s what’s going on in the dance between Palin and what she calls the 'lamestream' media: Every time they attack her, they wind up doing something that hurts them worse than it hurts her. She may not become President, and she may not even want to be President — though, regardless, it’s in her interest to keep everyone guessing as long as possible — but with little more than an Internet connection and Facebook she’s done more lasting harm to their position than anybody else. Last night Barack Obama threw them under the bus over the whole 'rhetoric' question, just hours after she had managed to work them into a snarling frenzy with an Internet video. Even though it’s hurting them, they can’t — and I mean, literally, psychologically can’t — leave her alone. And she’s getting rich the whole time.

"So I don’t know about 'Presidential,' but who’s dumb, here?"

As Reynolds himself might say: HEH.

Anonymous said...

"White House Says It Wasn't Responsible
for Picking Rowdy Basketball Arena
for Arizona Memorial Service"

http://bit.ly/gJ8eYe

Let the back-pedaling BEGIN!

Anonymous said...

Way to kick in the teeth of those horrible violent-metaphor-users, Mikio!

kent said...

Let the back-pedaling BEGIN!

"Nothing is ever His fault, damn you! Not the tacky t-shirts... the "LET'S Y'ALL MAKE SOME NOYYYYYYZZE NOW, WOOT WOOT!" Spring-Break-at-Fort-Lauderdale-type carnival atmosphere... the outright, baldfaced lying about Giffords never once opening her eyes until He did lay blessed hands upon her, yea, verily... NOTHING!EVER!!!11! He's only the fucking President, you ghoulish, inhuman *yargle*blargle* hamhamhamhamhamhamHAM!!!!"

jr565 said...

Mikio wrote:
Fight? Conservatives/libertarians/tea party people already lost. Unfortunately, it took this tragedy to do it, but they now have to censor themselves of their identity-driven, sickeningly stupid, irresponsible gun rhetoric or face a much bigger public ass kicking from now on and it won’t be from just us liberals anymore. Not for awhile at least.


I think Palin should continue with the reload rhetoric and the targeting of districts to be beaten, only this time she should add an addendum for people like Mikio.
"Note - The above mentioned imagery is a metaphor. Though commonly used by democrats and republicans alike to describe states in contention during elections, because democrats will use this rhetoric against me ALONE because of their hyperpartisanship, I have to add this addendum. To all the slow people _like Mikio) ,the crosshairs are metaphors. They in no way signify that anyone is targeting a district with actual violence. It shoulnd't have to be stated, as most people are presumably not borderline retarded, only we are dealing with liberals, so again, this addendum may be necessary".

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Anonymous said...

"Sarah Palin Is Right About 'Blood Libel'"

Wall Street Journal, by Shmuley Boteach



Another outright lie from the left that can be put to bed....

kent said...

Term 'Blood Libel' Used on MSNBC in 2000 in Reference to Bush, In 2006 to Kerry Without Objection by Network Hosts

Obviously, then: MSNBC is chock-full of loathsome, venomous, anti-Semitic bastards.

Which actualy explains a whole hell of a lot, when you stop to think about it.

Anonymous said...

Via Instapundit:

"JAMES TARANTO: “It Did Not:” A rebuke from Obama leads the New York Times to run from the fight it started. “Only 35% of those surveyed think the New York Times’s position is even legitimate. And although President Obama, in his speech last night, did not go so far as to call it illegitimate, he did make his disagreement clear. . . . The newspaper that seized upon a horrific crime to demonize its political opponents–and to demonize ‘particularly’ those in the media who reject its worldview and its presumption of moral authority–is now applauding the president for being able to ‘transcend the debate’ that it instigated with its yellow journalism.”

http://on.wsj.com/gVUhnl

Kent, I think you and I are the only ones her!

No matter!

kent said...

Kent, I think you and I are the only ones here!

Even when they're "here," some of them aren't actually fully... here, if you take my meaning. ;)

Trooper York said...

Hey I resemble that remark.

Anonymous said...

I got you. Scanning the news tonight I see liberal issues falling left and right.( no pun intended)

Energy prices, unemployment, the war, home foreclosures....

This is the reason that the left wants the Arizona murders to suck all of the oxygen out of the rest of the events that are cascading like rain on their heads.

kent said...

Hey I resemble that remark.

Other than a perversely persistent impulse to coddle the egregiously insane... there's nothing especially mad about you, Trooper.

Well... except for those blood-stained bunny slippers, I mean.

Anonymous said...

Trooper, how is everything with your leg?...OK?

Trooper York said...

Pretty good, thanks for asking. Although I am suffering with the cold in NYC. But I have no cause for complaint.

dick said...

Now we have Rep Debbie Wasserman-Schultz claiming that she held Gifford's hand and Gifford opened her eyes. It is a MIRACLE!!


http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/13/2014706/rep-debbie-wasserman-schultz-visits.html

Anonymous said...

Trooper, that's good. I saw your photo in the chaise lounge onboard the ship and remembered.

JAL said...

hehe Meade.

The flouncer is the one who called.

Not the flouncee.

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