Althouse: "I probably should have used the word 'opponents' instead of 'enemies.'"

November 2, 2010

"I probably should have used the word 'opponents' instead of 'enemies.'"

Obama repositions.

135 comments:

Scott M said...: Balderdash. He said enemies.; 11/2/10, 9:09 AM
Jason said...: Too late.

WV: letablat; 11/2/10, 9:09 AM
Rialby said...: Lesson: Never climb too far out on that limb to defend Barry.; 11/2/10, 9:10 AM
MadisonMan said...: It's unfortunate that so many commenters on blog pages see the President's behavior and try to emulate it. Or maybe the President has seen the behavior on blogs and is just following along.

Congratulations, by the way, to the Giants.; 11/2/10, 9:10 AM
kent said...: Even the dullest, most self-absorbed woodland creature will invariably find their nostrils twitching at the acrid, sudden scent of the forest burning down around them.; 11/2/10, 9:10 AM
Jim said...: "Enemies" was a classic Kinseleyan gaffe. That's why he can't fully walk it back with a clear and unequivocal "I SHOULDN'T."

For a guy with such great intelligence attributed to him, he clearly has ZERO discipline. This isn't the first time he's gone off message with his ad-libbing, and I can guarantee you it won't be the last.

He has shown himself to be easily shaken and easily taken off-message. That's only going to get worse now that he's going to have to ACTUALLY do something without leaning on Pelosi and Reid to all his heavy lifting for him.

The next 2 years are NOT going to be fun for him, and it's going to show. Count on many more such moments to come....; 11/2/10, 9:11 AM
ricpic said...: LET FREEDOM RING! on your skull, commieboy.; 11/2/10, 9:11 AM
Scott M said...: I'm waiting for Garage/FLS to come in and defend their defense of the President's original comment in lieu of this complete abandonment of their firmament.; 11/2/10, 9:15 AM
DADvocate said...: What he means is that he should have hidden his true feelings and beliefs.; 11/2/10, 9:16 AM
Rialby said...: Garage: I never said that he didn't say he said enemies. I said that he said it but didn't mean to say that enemies is what we are but what they are. Enemies.; 11/2/10, 9:17 AM
test said...: It's obviously true he shouldn't have said it, but that's a political argument. He accurately portrayed his beliefs in his original statement.; 11/2/10, 9:24 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Cry me a river, you hypocritical babies.

He was right the first time. The people who constantly lie about Barack Obama are his sworn enemies. They certainly think so. They are dedicated to his defeat.

They do not hesitate to lie, cheat and steal to get their way. They hate Barack Obama, they hate liberals and Democrats. Mainly, they hate!

It's a not-so-polite fiction to say we are just opponents.; 11/2/10, 9:26 AM
Scott M said...: Have fun today, troll. I'm sure it will be memorable for you.; 11/2/10, 9:30 AM
AllenS said...: Obama: "Sorry, I didn't think anyone was listening to me."; 11/2/10, 9:33 AM
The Drill SGT said...: All those:

Obama is like Nixon

news stories left a scar; 11/2/10, 9:34 AM
kent said...: He was right the first time [...] It's a not-so-polite fiction to say we are just opponents.

Ooooooh. GRRRRRRRRR. ;); 11/2/10, 9:35 AM
traditionalguy said...: King Obama will tell his subjects what King Obama's word means. Americans are simply opponents of the King, but will remain the enemies of La Raza's Democrat voting bloc.; 11/2/10, 9:35 AM
Issob Morocco said...: The word "probably" still shows him unwilling to admit to the severity and in my opinion the honesty of his statement. He views those who oppose him as enemies.

If he had said, I was wrong to use enemies, I should have said opponents, then one can accept it, but even here he qualifies, by using 'probably'. As if that was a better idea but was one that was sincere in his heart.

The Lame Duck will be served cold and bitter.; 11/2/10, 9:40 AM
traditionalguy said...: Alpha...We don't hate you. But we would like to try a Reagan style President again. Remember, the guy the liberals loved to hate? He was the SOB that took out your beloved USSR. But if you can learn to live with that, then you can return to mental stability.; 11/2/10, 9:40 AM
exhelodrvr1 said...: " The people who constantly lie about Barack Obama are his sworn enemies."

Alpha,
That's unusually perceptive of you.
Ultimately, the media did hurt him by putting him on a pedestal he didn't deserve.; 11/2/10, 9:40 AM
Bob_R said...: He thinks of middle America in terms of enemies. He thinks of the world where people are paid a salary that is not extracted at gunpoint that way. From his book:

Eventually, a consulting house to a multinational corporation agreed to hire me as a research assistant. Like a spy behind enemy lines, I arrived every day at my mid-Manhattan office, and sat at my computer terminal, checking the Reuters machine that blinked bright emerald messages from across the globe.; 11/2/10, 9:41 AM
Dust Bunny Queen said...: He said what he meant. And he means to stir up racial and ethnic hate for his own gains.

Obama is an evil evil man.; 11/2/10, 9:44 AM
Anonymous said...: Unring that bell barry.; 11/2/10, 9:44 AM
KCFleming said...: Actually, Alpha, the people who constantly expose the truths about Barack Obama are his sworn enemies, at least Obama says so.

They are dedicated to his defeat, (at least, the defeat of his policies), so perhaps "enemies" is correct. But they aren't the enemies of American citizens. That was wrong of Obama to say.

I think he forgets other people are watching and reporting when he goes from town to town and group to group, as if he could say completely different things in separate locations and not be called on it.

As if he had gotten a lot of practice doing that already. You know, in Chicago.; 11/2/10, 9:46 AM
Anonymous said...: They do not hesitate to lie, cheat and steal to get their way. They hate Barack Obama, they hate liberals and Democrats. Mainly, they hate!

Oh my God! The horrible hating haters who hate everything!

Omega, you've split your gut again!

This cannot be good for your health.; 11/2/10, 9:51 AM
Fen said...: AlphaLibtard: It's a not-so-polite fiction to say we are just opponents.

Right Alpha, its not the terrorists who want to kill us that are enemies, its our fellow Americans who disagree with us.

You are so lost.; 11/2/10, 9:55 AM
test said...: Alpha's cracking under the pressure shows he knows he was lying the last few weeks when claiming the Dems were doing great. I wonder if he's paid by someone to post pro Dem messages.

It must be hard watching the utopia you thought approaching evaporate virtually instantaneously. When I combine that with how hateful lefties who post on the net are I can't help but smile. I'm going to crack a beer and watch this beauty.; 11/2/10, 9:55 AM
kent said...: They hate [...] they hate [...] Mainly, they hate!

... he said, foaming.; 11/2/10, 9:57 AM
Tank said...: I'm proud to be one of his "enemies."

If only there was a list.

Classic gaffe - the truth slips out.

Classic con man - it's all smoke and mirrors.; 11/2/10, 9:58 AM
Scott M said...: Alpha's cracking under the pressure shows he knows he was lying the last few weeks when claiming the Dems were doing great.

I noticed that he's dropped the tact he was using over the summer of trying to convince people the Tea Party movement was loosing support. Doesn't appear that way now, does it?; 11/2/10, 9:58 AM
kent said...: Unhinged Perriello/Obama supporter rips up GOP signs, screams “You f**king House n*gger white-black bitch!”

"Mainly, they hate!"; 11/2/10, 10:01 AM
Moose said...: Stupid motherfucker.

I mean really - how many times is he going to lie and think the populace won't start wondering what morons he thinks we are?; 11/2/10, 10:04 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: But they aren't the enemies of American citizens. That was wrong of Obama to say.

The hell they aren't.

The policies of Barack Obama's opponents will put the people at the not-so-tender mercy of big corporations;

* repealing health care to help big insurers that screw Americans every day,

* for pay and benefit cuts from big corporations that have driven wages down while US productivity has soared

* for layoffs as they outsource jobs overseas and dismantle American manufacturing,

* for polluters who want to use our homeland as a dumping ground for their waste,

* for deregulation of food protection services that poisons our food supply,

* for endless wars that they will not even pay for,

* for white racial resentment that divides the American people along racial lines,

* for a religious state governed by that human hybrid: Wall Street-Evangelical Republican coalition,

* for undermining the American electoral system by allowing corporations, domestic and foreign, to dump massive amounts of cash in to elections,

* for refusing to accept and respect the results of American elections when they lose and betraying our system of government.

That list is by no means exhaustive.; 11/2/10, 10:05 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: I noticed that he's dropped the tact he was using over the summer of trying to convince people the Tea Party movement was loosing support. Doesn't appear that way now, does it?

Oh Vain Ones: I do not follow every bizarre debate you have here.

The Tea Party is, actually, increasingly unpopular, as is Sarah Palin. They also have racist elements and/or violent elements in their midst, which they vociferously defend. The Tea Party movement is built on white racial resentment.; 11/2/10, 10:07 AM
Fen said...: AlphaLibtard: They also have racist elements and/or violent elements in their midst, which they vociferously defend. The Tea Party movement is built on white racial resentment.

Alpha shows his true colors. Anyone suprised?; 11/2/10, 10:10 AM
test said...: ScottM says in part...I noticed that he's dropped the tact he was using over the summer of trying to convince people the Tea Party movement was loosing support. Doesn't appear that way now, does it?
____

It really takes an unbelievable level of narcissism to lie on a blog as a political tactic. It's bad enough when Sunday morning pundits do it, or on NPR. But this is just pathetic.; 11/2/10, 10:12 AM
Fen said...: I don't understand why our resident Libtards are so upset. Politics is tribal for them, like rooting for your fav football team each year. Win or lose, they'll be another Rose Bowl next year (or two).

Oh wait.. strike that. 2012 will be worse than this one because a greter number of Dems seats are in play; 11/2/10, 10:14 AM
test said...: Alpha asserts that "The policies of Barack Obama's opponents will put the people at the not-so-tender mercy of big corporations"

Funny, that's what ObamaCare just did. The only difference is that Obama's opponents let you choose what corporations to do business with, and Obama doesn't.

It's pretty ridiculous when allowing people to make voluntary purchases is scary, but mandated purchases are not. How demented do you have to be to arrive at that conclusion?; 11/2/10, 10:16 AM
Jim said...: * for white racial resentment that divides the American people along racial lines,

Remind me again whose DOJ has an explicit policy of refusing to pursue cases where minorities discriminate against whites?

Whose DOJ was it that dropped the case against the Black Panthers AFTER they had already won it?

Which president told Latinos that they need to punish their enemies?

Which president sat for 20 years in Rev. Wright's church and never had a bad word to say about it until it became a political liability?

Who named the person who claimed that being a "wise Latina" made her MORE qualified to be a Supreme Court Justice?

Should I go on, or are you embarrassed enough to go away with your projecting the racism so evident within the Democratic Party in general - and Obama specifically - onto other people?; 11/2/10, 10:19 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: It's my hope that the Democrats learn their lessons from whatever happens today.

The modern Republican Party will never compromise or negotiate with Democrats. They are wedded to their scorched earth tactics, their lies, their sense of entitlement.

Modern Republicans don't think any rules apply to them because they think they are SPECIAL and have a privileged status. Hence, their hundreds of double standards. They think they don't have to tell the voters what they really mean, as Ron Johnson and Sharon Angle have said.

They think being polite to people who are different than them is outrageous "political correctness."

Write. them. off. The only way these authoritarians will relate to others in America is by ordering the rest of us around. Resist!

In short, Republicans are plutocrats who no longer believe in the American system of government.; 11/2/10, 10:20 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Well, plutocrats AND pollutocrats.

Republicans never saw pollution they would not defend.; 11/2/10, 10:20 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Remind me again whose DOJ has an explicit policy of refusing to pursue cases where minorities discriminate against whites?

None. You have drunk of Faux News Krazy KoolAid and you think that two fucken guys standing outside a polling station looking tough makes for oppression of white people.

This whole New Black Panther Party thing is crazy. Do you hear yourselves? "EEEK, BLACK MEN!! In berets!"; 11/2/10, 10:22 AM
Turtledove said...: Alpha: Go get your medication adjusted before you blow a gasket. I could almost see you frothing at the mouth.; 11/2/10, 10:23 AM
test said...: "The modern Republican Party will never compromise or negotiate with Democrats."

Let's hope. Bush tried with his Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind. The results?

1. Dems demonized him even beyond his predecessors.
2. Dems took his willingness to address the issues as a sign to move their demands even farther left. The existence of Rep $200 billion programs then justified their demands for $1.7 trillion programs.

You can't negotiate with the Dems on fiscal matters. There is no limit to the amount of the economy they believe government should control.; 11/2/10, 10:26 AM
Jim said...: The Tea Party movement is built on white racial resentment.

Even the DNC gave up on that tired talking point a couple months ago when it became clear that it was backfiring. You see, calling people racists for opposing your policies tends to make them even MORE motivated to vote your sorry arses out of office. Because, IT TENDS TO PISS PEOPLE OFF.

Especially since that "racist" Tea Party movement is set to bring more black conservatives to Congress and in state houses across the country than have ever attained office.

Funny side point: Donna Brazile, in talking about how "racist" Republicans are because Republicans have often voted for African-Americans in their own primary, those candidates have lost in the general. Which, if you examine her statement closely and look solely at the racial component, says that Democrats are more racist than Republicans. After the Republicans DID and ARE voting for African-Americans. It was the majority of the OTHER voters in the general that are rejecting them. Why do Democrats hate black people, Alpha?

Turn in your talking points, and tell Axelrod to pack for Chicago. He's going home.; 11/2/10, 10:26 AM
Jim said...: Alpha -

This whole New Black Panther Party thing is crazy.

I agree. You defending men standing outside a polling location brandishing a weapon. THAT is crazy.

Like I said. Turn in your talking points. And get back on your meds.; 11/2/10, 10:28 AM
test said...: "[Reps] think being polite to people who are different than them is outrageous "political correctness."

What an odd statement. Dems don't support being nice to people who are different than theymselves. They support treating them as enemies.; 11/2/10, 10:28 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: OK, class. For today, we're going to learn about the effort to make the USA more of a plutocracy or, in the words of Citigroup strategists, a "plutonomy."

You can read their internal memo about transforming the USA to a plutonomy here.

"The World is dividing into two blocs - the Plutonomy and the rest. The U.S., UK, and Canada are the key Plutonomies - economies powered by the wealthy. Continental Europe (ex-Italy) and Japan are in the egalitarian bloc."

Here's the thing: the policies that the plutocrats describe are the policies of the Tea Party "movement."

It is the Tea Party that supports the political agenda of The Banksters that is devastating so many American families.

Not that you guys give a shit about American families.; 11/2/10, 10:31 AM
test said...: "Turtledove said...
Alpha: Go get your medication adjusted before you blow a gasket. I could almost see you frothing at the mouth."

I just started a drinking game. Every time Alpha proves himself insane I take a drink.

I'm going to be hammered.; 11/2/10, 10:31 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Moer from the Tea Party Plutocrats/Pollutocrats:

In early September we wrote about the (ir)relevance of oil to equities and introduced the
idea that the U.S.is a Plutonomy - a concept that generated great interest from our
clients.; 11/2/10, 10:31 AM
Jim said...: What an odd statement. Dems don't support being nice to people who are different than theymselves. They support treating them as enemies.

And calling them racists.
And Nazis.
And bitter.
And scared.
And stupid.
And unAmerican.

Yeah. We haven't forgotten EXACTLY what Democrats think about Americans. The message is being delivered today all around the nation.

I encourage the raving lunatics like Alpha to keep ranting about how racist the American people are though. It'll keep reminding people just what Democrats REALLY think about voters when their back is against the wall and the truth comes out.

Knock yourself out, Alpha. Bring on the hate. I know you can't help yourself any more than Obama can.; 11/2/10, 10:32 AM
Anonymous said...: I guarantee you, that dumb fuck, Omega, is white.

Bitching about how other white people are racist has become such an odious, sanctimonious thing to do, you shithead.; 11/2/10, 10:34 AM
test said...: The World is dividing into two blocs - Oceania and the rest. The U.S., UK, and Canada are the key to Oceania - economies powered by the wealthy. Continental Europe (ex-Italy) and Japan are in the Eurasia bloc.

Corrected.

Drink.; 11/2/10, 10:34 AM
Jim said...: Not that you guys give a shit about American families.

Come, boy, see for yourself. From here, you will witness the final destruction of the Alliance and the end of your insignificant rebellion.

You want this, don’t you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.

MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA; 11/2/10, 10:35 AM
Anonymous said...: This "whiter than thou" thing" you do, Omega.

Shut up about it.

In fact, why don't you just shut the fuck up, idiot?; 11/2/10, 10:35 AM
kent said...: OK, class. For today, we're going to learn about

"... how NOT to completely whizz one (and, just possibly, two) chambers of Congress down our legs in the space of just two short years"...?

Oh. Wait, though...; 11/2/10, 10:37 AM
Fen said...: Wow. Not even 12pm EST and Alpha is already on his 3rd Meltdown.

Its gonna be a fun day.

I'm looking forward to his defense of MoveOn and SEIU goons shutting down the polls and beating up voters.

* remember to go in pairs, both armed with cellphones to capture the brownshirt violence on video; 11/2/10, 10:42 AM
Hoosier Daddy said...: Alpha said "The World is dividing into two blocs - the Plutonomy and the rest. The U.S., UK, and Canada are the key Plutonomies - economies powered by the wealthy. Continental Europe (ex-Italy) and Japan are in the egalitarian bloc."

This is just nothing but a whole lot of bunk.

Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it's a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there's a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
Tony Giardino: So who's in this Pentavirate?
Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"
Charlie Mackenzie: Dad, how can you hate "The Colonel"?
Stuart Mackenzie: Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass!

So I Married an Axe Murderer, 1993; 11/2/10, 10:47 AM
Fen said...: Okay, bonus round of drinks to anyone who can get Alpha to blame 9-11 on the Trilateral Commission...; 11/2/10, 10:49 AM
Wince said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/2/10, 10:50 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: "[Reps] think being polite to people who are different than them is outrageous "political correctness."

What an odd statement. Dems don't support being nice to people who are different than theymselves. They support treating them as enemies.

How can that be odd? It's exactly how conservatives react to suggestions, say, that we be civil to Muslims and treat them as equal citizens with the same rights as everyone else.

For one example.; 11/2/10, 10:54 AM
Wince said...: Althouse said...
What should we call the Rally to Restore Sanity folks?
1. Sanitarians
2. Sane Freaks
3. Reasonable People
4. The Enemy
5. Sanitizers
6. Sanity's Little Elves

The answer, as provided by Tony Montana, aboard one of Arianna Huffington's buses driving back from D.C.; 11/2/10, 10:55 AM
William said...: Give Obama credit for acknowledging a clumsy turn of phrase. But, my goodness, someone who plays politics on the Presidential level should not be guilty of such clumsiness.; 11/2/10, 10:56 AM
Anonymous said...: How can that be odd? It's exactly how conservatives react to suggestions, say, that we be civil to Muslims and treat them as equal citizens with the same rights as everyone else.

Ok, Omega, you dumb fucking whiter than thou asshole.

Tell me where and how Muslims are not being treated with civility and as equal citizens.; 11/2/10, 10:57 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: Uh huh. Predictable.

Faced with a fact that challenges your world view, you reject the fact.

The Citigroup memo is right there for you to read. Instead, you attack and belittle me and bury your heads in the sand.

Which brings me back to my point that it is useless to try to reason with modern Republicans. Obama needs to stop trying.; 11/2/10, 10:59 AM
Anonymous said...: So, Omega, you fucking asshole saint.

You're white, aren't you asshole?

So tell me, asshole, what is the source of your fucking sainthood.; 11/2/10, 11:01 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: ShoutingWanker:

Tell me where and how Muslims are not being treated with civility and as equal citizens.

Well, there are numerous mosques around the country which conservatives are trying to stop from being built.

There is the Muslim Community Center planed for a former Burlington Coat Factory in lower Manhattan, which conservatives want to stop.

There is the candidacy of American Muslim Keith Ellison. The hate from the right wing toward that man has been astounding.

Bill O'Reilly and others openly discuss "the Muslim problem," with no apparent shame.

Now you want to pretend conservatives are polite toward Muslims?

Again with the Krazy Kool Aid.; 11/2/10, 11:03 AM
Unknown said...: In politics, it's called a clarification, not a repositioning.

Hi, Alpha.; 11/2/10, 11:04 AM
Anonymous said...: Now you want to pretend conservatives are polite toward Muslims?

Now, Omega, you fucking holier than thou white asshole, you've changed your tune completely.

Who said we have an obligation to be "polite" to anybody.

At most, we have an obligation to leave people alone, rather than be impolite to them.

You haven't cited a single instance of incivility, violence or denial of rights to Muslims.

You can't... because it ain't happening.

You white than thou bastard.; 11/2/10, 11:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Omega, you refuse to answer.

You're white, aren't you asshole?; 11/2/10, 11:08 AM
Big Mike said...: He was right the first time. The people who constantly lie about Barack Obama are his sworn enemies.

The only people who lied about him were the people who said Barack Obama was ready to be President of the United States.

They hate Barack Obama, they hate liberals and Democrats.

And your side hates people like myself who started out in a small Midwestern town and got where I am today through brains and hard work. I'm only returning the sentiment.

There's no common ground between us, Alpha. You have demonstrated time and again that you lie so readily and so easily that you believe your own lies and not a reality that anyone willing to look can immediately see. You have demonstrated time and again that one cannot debate with you. One cannot negotiate agreements with you that you will abide by and not abandon as soon as you physically can. One cannot, in fact, deal with you in any way shape or form except to suppress you. You will be suppressed.; 11/2/10, 11:10 AM
Trooper York said...: "Dust Bunny Queen said...
He said what he meant. And he means to stir up racial and ethnic hate for his own gains.

Obama is an evil evil man."

Sad to say that is exactly right.; 11/2/10, 11:14 AM
Leland said...: Meh, we all make mistakes.

I'm sure Professor Althouse would like to reposition her 2008 vote. I'm sure we all would like a better outcome from the 2008 primaries.

But, we all can do something today.; 11/2/10, 11:19 AM
test said...: Alpha,

It's odd because you say Reps aren't civil, which would seem to imply you think being civil is a positive. Yet not only are you among the nastiest posters on this site, today you are advocating treating people who disagree with you as enemies. Is this civil?

It's also odd because the assertion you use to make your point is wrong.; 11/2/10, 11:24 AM
Loren said...: Perhaps you shouldn't talk about punishing your "opponents" if you are President of the United States, since even your "opponents" are citizens entitled to express their opinions.; 11/2/10, 11:25 AM
Pastafarian said...: AlphaLiberal, I don't consider you my enemy.

If I did, you'd know it.

No, I consider you a political opponent, one who's usually a little more coherent than you are today. Bad day, buddy?

Let me taste your tears, Alpha.

Mmm, salty.; 11/2/10, 11:33 AM
former law student said...: It's sad that John Boehner rushed to embrace the title of enemy of Latinos, then complained it was too harsh.

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.; 11/2/10, 11:34 AM
Kirby Olson said...: He should have said friends. But do you make friends sit in the back of the bus?

More and more we find out that Obama's vengefulness is even wronger than Reverend Wright's.; 11/2/10, 11:39 AM
AlphaLiberal said...: I mean, come on, you guys throw a woman to the ground who is exercising free speech rights, you stomp on her and injure her.

You claim you are reasonable and respect others? Shee-it. Even Althouse was attacking the victim and defending the violence.

And you claim to be getting the vapors over use of the word "enemy."; 11/2/10, 11:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Omega, confess.

You're white, aren't you?

So what's with the fucking whiter than thou attitude?

Fess up, white boy.; 11/2/10, 11:47 AM
kent said...: I mean, come on, you guys throw a woman to the ground who is exercising free speech rights, you stomp on her and injure her.

You claim you are reasonable and respect others?

Ken Gladney says "hi."; 11/2/10, 11:50 AM
test said...: Alpha,

Did you miss the video of the leftist choking someone who disagreed with him? It was all over the net just the other day, but I guess in the land of liberal only conservative sins taint the pool.

I don't care about Obama calling me an enemy. It clearly shows his position. He sees Muslims as tools to attack his enemy, non-liberal Americans.; 11/2/10, 11:55 AM
test said...: "It's sad that John Boehner rushed to embrace the title of enemy of Latinos"

Who will play the FLS drinking game? I can't Alpas's got me at roughly .15 already.; 11/2/10, 11:56 AM
Pastafarian said...: Alpha, please, don't jump to such conclusions. Calm down, you're going to pee yourself.

"You claim you are reasonable and respect others?"

Absurd.

I don't think anyone here ever said they respected you.

Speaking only for myself, I probably respect your opinion less than any other commenter, save only perhaps Jeremy and LE Lee (and his many aliases). I've long suspected that you're actually paid by the word to comment here, and I don't think Soros is getting his money's worth if he pays you any more than $0.0005 per word.

There, now isn't that better? You won an argument. Now, let me have a few more of those delicious, salty tears. Oh, there goes one now, rolling down your cheek.; 11/2/10, 11:59 AM
Trooper York said...: Ever since Canidate Obama told Joe the Plumber that he had to "tax" him as a small business man to make things "fair", I realized that he looked at me as someone to fleece for his peeps.

He is not on my side. Not then. Not now. Not ever.

He has made himself my enemy. It did not have to be so.; 11/2/10, 12:00 PM
Fen said...: Libtard: you guys throw a woman to the ground who is exercising free speech rights, you stomp on her and injure her.

More lies.

1) She wasn't exercising her free speech rights, she was attacking the candidate with her sign. Thats why she had to be taken down. TWICE.

2) No one "stomped" on her head. A guy with no riot police training stepped on her shoulder to keep her down, he was stopped by everyone else at the scene, and he was fired from the campaign.

Here's a clue: if you have to lie to invoke your "righteous authority", something is very wrong with your life.; 11/2/10, 12:00 PM
campy said...: What he'd really like to call them is "happy re-education campers."; 11/2/10, 12:14 PM
former law student said...: Ken Gladney says "hi."

Ken Gladney dislocated the shoulder of a Minister of the Gospel -- seen gingerly feeling his shoulder in the video.

Is it typical of the Right to make heroes out of bullies?; 11/2/10, 12:20 PM
Automatic_Wing said...: So now good ol' Canada, the place that liberals threaten to move to whenever they lose elections, is part of some kind of hyper-capitalist "plutonomy"? That's the funniest thing I've heard here since garage regaled us with tales of refried bean swastikas yesterday.

Keep it coming, fellas, you've never been more entertaining.; 11/2/10, 12:20 PM
former law student said...: I realized that he looked at me as someone to fleece for his peeps.

Somebody has to pay for maintaining half of the world's defense apparatus. Can we tax Japan for their share?; 11/2/10, 12:22 PM
Scott M said...: No, FLS, but self-defense is to be lauded. I know you don't believe me, but I trust my own friends' eyes over you dig up on the interwebz any day. He was selling merch and they first started belittling him racially, then started shoving, then it came to blows.; 11/2/10, 12:23 PM
Caroline said...: "I mean, come on, you guys throw a woman to the ground who is exercising free speech rights, you stomp on her and injure her."

Sure, let's all assume that the actions of one man defines everyone who opposes current Democrat policies, and go from there.

You really believe that BS works as the basis for an argument. It's no wonder your side is losing. You really believe your opponents are blithering idiots. Underestimating the overall intelligence of your opposition is a sure way to get your ass handed to you.

(Note that I choose not to assume that you are actually an idiot.); 11/2/10, 12:30 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

Not a SINGLE Democrat has lost his or her seat! Where is your G*d now, Teabaggers?; 11/2/10, 12:30 PM
former law student said...: I trust my own friends' eyes over you dig up on the interwebz any day. He was selling merch and they first started belittling him racially, then started shoving, then it came to blows.

If your friends were close enough to see all this, will they testify at the trial? Were they victims of the melee as well? How did they happen to be in a good position to see the whole affray? Did they buy something from Gladney, then stayed around? Why didn't they intervene -- too scary?; 11/2/10, 12:30 PM
Scott M said...: If your friends were close enough to see all this, will they testify at the trial?

Yes and they offered to do so.

Were they victims of the melee as well?

Stupid question as you would have heard about it in your many prowls. Next.

How did they happen to be in a good position to see the whole affray?

Just happened to be walking by going into the meeting. It was a public place, you understand?

Did they buy something from
Gladney, then stayed around?

One of them wanted to, but only had his debit on him.

Why didn't they intervene -- too scary?

From what they said, it happened to fast to intervene, but they were there right as the SEIU jerks took off running. Why do you suppose they fled the scene if they were the victims? Are you suggesting other people helped Gladney beat them into running away? Why would you flee if you had him 3-1 and he attacked you?

Look, I know it doesn't fit the narrative, but I'm telling you what they told me.; 11/2/10, 12:39 PM
ken in tx said...: When I was on active duty, I heard of an Air Force general who said, “The Soviets are our adversary. Our enemy is the the U.S. Navy.”; 11/2/10, 12:50 PM
Michael said...: FLS asked: "Is it typical of the Right to make heroes out of bullies?"

Yes, and that is why you see us wearing Che teeshirts, carrying copies of the Little Red Book and covering up the history of death under Stalin.; 11/2/10, 12:55 PM
hombre said...: They do not hesitate to lie, cheat and steal to get their way. They hate Barack Obama, they hate liberals and Democrats. Mainly, they hate!

Did somebody bring Alpha's bib and a napkin to wipe his chin.

He's speaking about "the enemy."; 11/2/10, 1:01 PM
DADvocate said...: They do not hesitate to lie, cheat and steal to get their way. They hate Barack Obama, they hate liberals and Democrats. Mainly, they hate!

So you're using this as the justification for you acting that way.; 11/2/10, 1:09 PM
Anonymous said...: i think Alpha Liberal's rantings are just demonstrating that he's not ok with the Deomcrats being voted out on their policies, and their ideas, and the consequences of those ideas (REAL crony capitalism, big gov and big business in bed together, huge spending and the union thuggery beneath it)

So he's throwing out the kitchen sink: the plutocracy argument.

Don't you people see...THEY don't care about you, only my ideals and my people do.

From his ideological perch can only be seen: racists, selfish wealthy people, hillbillies, republican obstructionists etc.

Not, you know, actual INDIVIDUALS, which is partly why his party is being routed in the midterms (though mostly it's the economy stupid),; 11/2/10, 1:10 PM
former law student said...: Stupid question as you would have heard about it in your many prowls. Next.

Not everyone who gets hit brings it to public attention.; 11/2/10, 1:10 PM
Anonymous said...: God damn, but it's fun watching Delta-Minus Liberal having a meltdown in public.

Sort of like this guy ...; 11/2/10, 1:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Our President and his minions don't really think of their opponents as enemies.

They think of them as untermenschen.; 11/2/10, 1:30 PM
DADvocate said...: That list is by no means exhaustive.

No. You have a lot more lies up your sleeves.; 11/2/10, 1:35 PM
Anonymous said...: "I probably should have used the word 'opponents' instead of 'enemies'."

On the old Get Smart! TV series, a recurring trope was to have Maxwell Smart sneer at an enemy:

"All right, Hondo! I'm used to dealing with big ugly apes like you!"

Max then punches Hondo three times in the stomach, gives a karate chop to the right shoulder, and slugs him in the face. Hondo doesn't even flinch.

Max puts his arm around Hondo. "Eh ... Listen Hondo, I ... ah, I hope I wasn't out of line with that crack about the ape ..."; 11/2/10, 1:47 PM
former law student said...: If Don Corleone had met John Boehner, he would have told his kid: "Keep your friends close, but your opponents closer."

This is political correctness run amok. And from the Republicans yet.; 11/2/10, 2:08 PM
BEK477 said...: I knew Nixon. And your no Nixon. Nixon had better style. Obama couldn't deliver a "Checkers" speech if his political life depened upon it.

Obama illustrates to me what is truly rotten in our academic admissions process. He is reputed to be "bright". But, in my humble opinion, he lacks wisdom. He has no gravitas.

He is hip but he is no longer kool. His 'coolness' has deserted him.

There is no there there. A suit in search of a soul.

Only prolonged suffering will provide him with the opportunity to gain wisdom. May embark upon such a course of study this very evening.; 11/2/10, 2:16 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

This is political correctness run amok. And from the Republicans yet

Yeah, “Political Correctness” and I’m SURE if the BooosH*tler had termed Code Pink his “enemies” you’d have been just as forgiving. The POTUS has, domestically, opponents, the United States, collectively, has ENEMIES…Boehner OPPONENT, Al-Qaida ENEMY…Thomas Dewey OPPONENT, Imperial Japan ENEMY…see the difference? POTUS’ ought to be very, very careful about declaring US citizens as “the enemy.” And I believe, FLS, Obama has thrown you under the bus…he didn’t complain about “Political Correctness.” He owned, as much as he’s going to own up to it. But you keep on having relations with that chicken if it makes you feel better…and say hello to Rev. Wright whilst you’re under there would you?; 11/2/10, 2:18 PM
Eric said...: For a guy with such great intelligence attributed to him, he clearly has ZERO discipline. This isn't the first time he's gone off message with his ad-libbing, and I can guarantee you it won't be the last.

I see no indication his intelligence is above average. He's never accomplished anything but getting elected president - his other elections were accomplished by taking out the , ah, opponent. He's probably not as intelligent as Bush, for all the fantasizing on the left.; 11/2/10, 2:28 PM
Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...: "Probably"??

He's a genius. Isn't he...?

wv: splish (splash splat??); 11/2/10, 2:44 PM
former law student said...: John Boehner's Unfamiliar Quotations:

Never let the perfect be the opponent of the good.

With friends like these, who needs opponents?

If thine opponent be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink: For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head. -- Proverbs

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou aret with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine opponents: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. -- Psalms

Nobody's opponent but his own -- Dickens

Treat your friend as if he might become an opponent -- Horace

Better make a weak man your opponent than your friend. -- Josh Billings

They love [Grover Cleveland] most for the opponents he has made.

The English laborer does not find his worst opponent in the nobility, but in the middle class.

Charity begins at home, is the voice of the world; yet is every man his greatest opponent, and, as it were, his own executioner.; 11/2/10, 2:49 PM
Shanna said...: * remember to go in pairs, both armed with cellphones to capture the brownshirt violence on video

My polling place was staffed with little old ladies. There were like, two guys with signs for Alderman Ward 1. They were a little close to the polling place though. I was trying to calculate how many feet.

As for the President..."I probably should have used the word 'opponents' instead of 'enemies.'"

You think? Always a fun headline the day before an election!; 11/2/10, 2:55 PM
Jim said...: John Boehner's Unfamiliar Quotations:

That's an awfully lot of spinning. I fail to see in any of the "quotations" any wisdom in which the president of "all the people" should be calling those SAME people his "enemies." Or turning those citizens against each other by calling them enemies.

False equivalency is false. You're going to have to do much better than this. Up your game.; 11/2/10, 3:03 PM
former law student said...: Or turning those citizens against each other by calling them enemies.

Conservatives say Obama's not much of a speaker, yet they believe his mere referring to one's enemies can summon them into existence.; 11/2/10, 3:06 PM
former law student said...: Obama doesn't have an enemy in the world. Only Latinos have enemies. And the Psalmist.; 11/2/10, 3:07 PM
Drew said...: The great philosopher Spock of Vulcan once said:

"I object to intellect without discipline. I object to power without constructive purpose."; 11/2/10, 3:07 PM
DADvocate said...: You're going to have to do much better than this. Up your game.

He's just throwing out random crap hoping something will stick.; 11/2/10, 3:09 PM
Jim said...: Conservatives say Obama's not much of a speaker, yet they believe his mere referring to one's enemies can summon them into existence.

1) That makes no sense.
2) Obama was the one who decide to bring the overheated rhetoric. Therefore, it's not wrong to call him on "acting stupidly."
3) You would STILL be crying like a schoolgirl if Bush had called Democrats ENEMIES. If you had even an ounce of shame, your rank hypocrisy would prevent you from even posting on this thread.

Nobody's taking you seriously: we're just pointing out how badly your lame attempts at spin are going for you. Perhaps you should join America's Politico for the remainder of the evening's festivities.

Maybe take a drink every time Democrats lose a seat. You'll be passed out drunk by 9pm, and the rest of the evening will fly by.; 11/2/10, 3:10 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

Only Latinos have enemies. And the Psalmist.

DO Latinos have “enemies?” And if so, who are they? Please enlighten us FLS? No one said Obama doesn’t have enemies, our point is that Republicans and Independents voting against him AREN’T his enemies, but Achmadinejad and Usama ARE, but Obama and Napolitano seem to think that the AMERICANS are the enemies instead. Can’t help it if you are stuck on stupid FLS.; 11/2/10, 3:16 PM
Caroline said...: This is political correctness run amok. And from the Republicans yet.

Yes, Obama was just being honest. No need for him to apologize or retract his words. He should feel free to continue to tell us how he really feels about his opposition.

However, do you believe that most Americans really want an openly partisan president, who uses divisive rhetoric to push his party's agenda? Do you really not get why the Repubs are making an issue of this?

If this were an isolated incident, most would give him a pass, as a slip of the tongue. But it isn't. He is openly contemptuous of his opposition. They don't need spin doctors to parse his words for them. They know where they stand with him... in the back.; 11/2/10, 3:17 PM
former law student said...: He's just throwing out random crap hoping something will stick.

Good description of how the Right played this out:

1. Obama suggested that Latinos reward their friends and punish their enemies.

2. Right-wing echo chamber hysteria conflates Obama with Latinos; turns a suggestion to a mandate, then a promise: Obama: "We're gonna punish our enemies"

3. John Boehner hears this, clutches his pearls: Americans are not the enemy -- Islamoterrorists are. Republicans are Obama's opponents, not his enemy.

4. Obama: OK, Fine, opponents.; 11/2/10, 3:18 PM
former law student said...: Do you really not get why the Repubs are making an issue of this?

My guess is to cover up McConnell's gaffe, "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Because, as Rush put it the day after the Inauguration, they hope Obama fails, and they're working as hard as they can to make it happen.; 11/2/10, 3:23 PM
kent said...: Maybe take a drink every time Democrats lose a seat. You'll be passed out drunk by 9pm, and the rest of the evening will fly by.

The Washington Examiner Election Day Liberal Media Spin Drinking Game!; 11/2/10, 3:25 PM
Big Mike said...: @FLS, how do you manage to spin so energetically without getting so dizzy that you puke?

Or have I made a bad assumption? Is it the case that after writing drivel such as your 3:18 comment you have to grab a nearby trash can where you lose your lunch, breakfast, and previous night's dinner?

How about we apply Occam's razor? Your guy misspoke, and he did so because he conflates opposition to his policies with enmity towards him?; 11/2/10, 3:26 PM
Joe said...: (The Crypto Jew)

We do hope he fails. Your side hoped that Bush would fail. What’s the problem FLS, dish it out, but can’t take it? I hope EFCA, Cap n Trade, Obama Care and all that fails, FLS, why shouldn’t I? And if that takes defeating Obama and making him a failure, that’s what it takes. Of course, if you and Obama will refudiate your support for these ill-conceived schemes, then we won’t hope for his failure.; 11/2/10, 3:26 PM
test said...: Jesus, I can't believe FLS believes that. Obama asserted that Republicans are latinos enemies.

Drink.; 11/2/10, 3:28 PM
former law student said...: Big Mike -- the Right enjoyed a spasm of manufactured indignation. It's over.

Even Grover Cleveland had enemies, not "opponents."; 11/2/10, 3:32 PM
Jim said...: Alinksy said "Make them live up to their own standards."

Democrats have been using that tactic against Republicans for a couple of decades now to seize on even the slightest phrase, intentionally twist its meaning, and take down their opponents.

Conservatives say "Make them live up to their own standards."

Republicans point out what Obama clearly said. And clearly meant. Now those same Democrats cry foul and try to intentionally twist its meaning in order to stop their guy from being taken down.

Sucks when you're not the only one playing the game any more, doesn't it? Poor Democrats. They may never recover from having their own tactics turned on them.; 11/2/10, 3:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Ah, yes ... I well remember how, every time he blessed us all with his commentary on NPR, Daniel Schorr always found a way to mention that he had been on Richard Nixon's "Opponents List."; 11/2/10, 3:40 PM
former law student said...: Boehner: "Moooommm -- Barack said I was his enemy!!! Take away his dessert!!"

Obama: "I said Jose should reward his friend and punish his enemy."

Boehner: "See, there he said it again!" *bursts into tears*; 11/2/10, 3:44 PM
DADvocate said...: Obama: "I said Jose should reward his friend and punish his enemy."

LOL - Alpaca still can't understand the meaning of the word "We". With such limited intellect, it's no wonder his views are so irrational.; 11/2/10, 4:08 PM
Caroline said...: My guess is to cover up McConnell's gaffe, "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Because, as Rush put it the day after the Inauguration, they hope Obama fails, and they're working as hard as they can to make it happen.

Your answer reveals why you guys are considered out of touch. You think Americans would be appalled by one party wanting the other party to lose; (I would hazard a guess that most are not, but instead see it as part of party politics). Yet you do not think that Americans would be appalled by a sitting President referring to the opposition as enemies that need to be punished.

Yes, the Repubs are using it as a hammer against Obama because they want him to lose (shock and surprise). But you don't seem to get why it works. This president has used his bully pulpit to demonize and dehumanize the opposition. As I said, this gaffe was not an isolated incident. If it were, his words would not resonate as negatively as they do to many Americans.; 11/2/10, 4:23 PM
Eric said...: My guess is to cover up McConnell's gaffe, "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

That's not a gaffe at all. It's just a statement of (a very reasonable) purpose. Of course, the Republicans in Congress will screw it up between now and then, but it's still a noble goal.

You know why the Republicans are making a big deal over what the president said? It goes to Obama's credibility, or what's left of it. Remember all that "post-partisan" stuff?

Did Bush ever refer to another American as his "enemy" in eight years as president? If he did, I don't remember it. And Bush didn't get the kid gloves in the press and in Hollywood.; 11/2/10, 4:35 PM
mrs whatsit said...: Thanks for the explanation, Mr. President, but we understood you quite clearly the first time.; 11/2/10, 5:13 PM
mrs whatsit said...: Thanks for the explanation, Mr. President, but we understood you quite clearly the first time.; 11/2/10, 5:13 PM