... Until not long ago, the only people who took seriously the notion that Palin would make a White House bid in 2012, let alone win the Republican nomination, were those who really do live at the unicorn ranch—and spend their time there huffing pixie dust. When Palin quit the Alaska governorship in 2009, her political career seemed over.Oh? Well, let me embed this clip from a Bloggingheads I did 2 days after that resignation:
I was right!
Back to Heilemann. It's a long article... and I don't think it's all that hard to see how Palin could win, so I'm not that inclined to slog through all the details. But speaking of living at the unicorn ranch and huffing pixie dust, Heilemann is really all about the President Bloomberg scenario. I don't get that at all.
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Again, for the record, I like the woman and think she might someday be president. 2012? Not so sure. This is merely from a preference point of view, though, coming from the sentiment that I believe we need someone that the other side doesn't abjectly hate. This point of view is becoming more tempered, though, by the dawning realization that such preferences are the stuff of luxury and that we may not only never find someone the other side doesn't abjectly hate, but may not have the space of time to do so in the first place.
Trying to be as objective as possible about her public face, she certainly seems to be avoiding errors. The last one I can remember, if you want to call it an error at all, was the notes on the hand thing. That knuckleball over 1773 was hysterical. Ya got to grant her that, regardless of your ideological bent.
STARTING A POOL
You're in with your $.02 and the grand prize is smugness. The question -
"How many comments will this thread have?"
You win if you're within +/- 5. Cutoff is 11:59:59 tonight.
I'm in with 240.
I admire Sarah Palin tremendously, but one president with a thin resume is enough in my book.
As for Bloomberg, he'd be a cinch to beat in any national election. Just stand up, face the TV camera, hold up a picture of the RINO, and say "this man wants to take away your right to a burger and fries."
After that Bloomberg would be lucky to get the votes of all the members of his family, much less the votes of anyone else.
(the other kev)
Just out of curiosity, what is Bloomberg's base? Everything I've read seems to indicate that the attitude of New Yorkers to his time as mayor as been kind of a big 'meh.'
His politics don't resound with either the Republican or libertarian base, and I can't see Democrats voting for a guy who pounded their nominees twice. A third party candidate has to have some kind of reputation as someone who knows how to get things done, like Perot's getting his people out of Iran. Bloomberg's just the guy who wants cut salt from everyone's diet.
I believe we need someone that the other side doesn't abjectly hate.
That's not even remotely possible. Each side abjectly hates everyone on the other side.
and I don't think it's all that hard to see how Palin could win,
You must be blogging from Roswell today.
I liked Bloomberg at first- he was a reasonable successor to Giuliani. (I moved out of NYC in 95, but I follow along.) But he's an authoritarian technocrat, and I don't much care for that.
Getting rid of NYC mayor term limits so he could run again was a real power grab. Current office holders out to be grandfathered out when that kind of change is made. It was a rule-of-men banana republic move.
Ah...the voluminous wisdom that is Garage Snarkhal.
@ScottM, heck, if Ritmo gets on the thread we'll go over 300 with room to spare.
My own prediction is that 40% of the comments will be more or less of the form "I like Sarah Palin but not for president in 2012" (and I include people who think "not president ever").
30% will be of the form "oh, yeah, run her in 2012 you stupid poopy-heads, because our Barack will eat her for lunch."
Somewhere between zero and 5% will be from right-of-center commentators who are wildly happy with the thought that Sarah will be sworn in as President in January 2013.
10% will be comments trying to hijack the thread.
And the remainder will be of the form "Sarah who"?
Agree with Scott and Mike that she needs to build her resume. I really do think trying to try it now would only end in defeat for her.
It doesn't hurt to build toward the day, however, and being nice to Michael Bloomberg, who won't be mayor of Gotham forever, but will have tons of money after he leaves office, can't be a bad thing. Having many friends in the party never dimmed anyone's political chances and, as I've said, would be an easy way for her to begin the process of replacing Michael Steele. Besides, it drives HD up the wall.
PS Kudos on your perspicacity, Madame, although I must say, you looked as if you'd recently been crying in that video.
PPS 301
I'll include garage's 10:31 comment in the 30%
Ever since Mike went on to prove the doubters wrong by making a killing with the Bloomberg boxes, he thinks that he's right and everybody else is wrong. Trouble is that he had a revolutionary product then, but what he is selling now is something that expired 40 years ago - Rockefeller RINO Republicanism. But he won't be dissuaded, and he has the cash. I don't think there's much of a market for what he is selling, even in Manhattan.
Two things have to happen for her to become president (in the most likely scenario). (1) She has to get the Republican nomination. (2) She has to be opposed by a Democrat that she can beat. While neither of those this is certain, they are both plausible.
If you are dividing up the probability pie for who is the most likely winner of the 2012 election the current resident gets the biggest slice (always). But Sarah is probably next. I hope one of the better candidates is left by the Virginia primary, but if she is running against Obama I'll pull Sarah's lever.
This, from New York City:
One of my office mates, a man I like, peeked into my office this morning and said:
"Did you see that magazine cover of Palin? This country needs to grow up?"
He's a nice man who seems to have inhaled the common wisdom that Palin is some kind of threat. Once the liberal line is set, it cannot be changed.
I don't see the threat. Leftists hate her because they see her as advocating some kinds of limits on abortion... and having adhered to her beliefs in her private life by not aborting a handicapped child.
Abortion has become the sacrament of the Democratic Party. That's why Palin had to be made to appear to be a demon.
A strange and sick moral inversion to be sure. Mark Steyn produces a picture (down the page) that sort of illustrates the sick left's view of sexuality:
http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/3536/128/
Abortion is probably inevitable and ought to be provided for in the extreme. Making killing babies into a sacrament, as the Democratic Party has done, is sick shit.
Demonizing Palin for this is even sicker shit.
Let see, he's for Obamacare, probably for cap n trade, his hatred
for the Tea Party was such, he tagged them with the Times Square
bombing, would he even hesitate to cut defense,
Ann versus Michelle.
Logical thinking versus emotional thinking.
One person has the capacity to stand back and look at the whole picture, see the possible outcomes. The other can't see past her own nose and predjudices.
Bloomberg doesn't even play well in western New Jersey and someone sees him as a national candidate?
I suppose this is Heileman's apology
for accepting all those anonymous digs in "Game Change" and apparently
believing them, a book that mostly
was obsolete at the time of it's printing, and has become a relic by election day. Then again, I'll never
forget how NYC rejected the one who brought the city back from the brink
and represented it on 9/11 and lavished so much praise on a much less praiseworthy candidate
My vote:
Palin will be president.
It's inevitable.
Why do you think the Democratic Party (and the feminazi left) works so hard to demonize her?
We are often best known by our enemies.
They know Palin is going to defeat them. That makes them hate her even more.
I would not be surprised if she ran and won in 2012. If not then, certainly in 2016.
What the lefties like this Michelle creature don't understand and never will understand is that Sarah is loved out in the country - ya know, that huge swath of despised flyover country - by the country class. The presidency is Sarah's for the asking. The only suspense is whether she'll ask.
Man, that is a nasty piece.
ya know, that huge swath of despised flyover country
Machts nicht if those yahoo's trying to circumvent the electoral college process get their way.
They know Palin is going to defeat them. That makes them hate her even more.
Reality:
Palin is viewed favorably by just 22 percent of Americans, according to the poll - including less than half (44 percent) of Republicans. Twenty-one percent of independents and 6 percent of Democrats view her favorably.
She could win the nomination but it would mean a second Obama term. There are so many better options. Her curent role of inspiring some voters and driving others bat shit crazy is actually helpful.
Although she has much more real administrative experience than Obama when he was elected, its very much, like for him, about personality. We need to grow up from that.
I'm willing to bet the farm, garage.
You hate her.
Fuck the ratings.
They'll change when people get to know who she is, unfiltered by a press that hates her.
The leftist press did a hatchet job on her.
I have the feeling that she will learn how to get her message past them, just as Reagan did.
The leftist press tried to picture Reagan as a madman and an idiot. He got past them.
I'll bet the farm Palin does, too.
Reality:
Garage, you hate her. Everything you have to say is wishful thinking.
Prepare to eat crow.
So, keep up the work, garage.
It's a losing battle, but it's all you've got.
She's going to defeat you and make you look silly in the process.
I guarantee it.
Big M,
What, no room for attacking the post/Althouse?
Well, there's always another thread.
shoutingthomas said...
This, from New York City:
One of my office mates, a man I like, peeked into my office this morning and said:
"Did you see that magazine cover of Palin? This country needs to grow up?"
He's a nice man who seems to have inhaled the common wisdom that Palin is some kind of threat. Once the liberal line is set, it cannot be changed.
I don't see the threat. Leftists hate her because they see her as advocating some kinds of limits on abortion... and having adhered to her beliefs in her private life by not aborting a handicapped child.
The Lefties hate her because they see her as the opening gun in losing the women's vote and, beyond that, a sea change away from the government-is-best crowd. Palina delenda est.
As for her ratings, what were Reagan's circa '78? A lot of people thought him senile, crazy, or both and he still killed them.
I believe we need someone that the other side doesn't abjectly hate.
Unpossible. The other side hates everyone. Did their hatred stop when Obama was elected! Not at all. In fact, it got strangely more intense.
Fuck the ratings.
They'll change when people get to know who she is, unfiltered by a press that hates her.
But how do you remove that filter? It's rusted in place.
That would mean you and I both would be "living at the unicorn ranch and huffing pixie dust" and that ain't likely.
Please, I need a review..is that blonde head bobbing and weaving like a boxer w/ Parkinsons. If not, I'll try giving this a view. Otherwise, I'll have to pass, I'm out of dramamine.
People should be very wary of Bloomberg because he has now self financed 3 mayoral terms, thwarted the feeble will of New Yorkers the last time by going around term limits and with everything else swirling around the city is worried about and banning salt and transfats in restaurants.
But this little dictator will have two things going for him if he runs for president and that is 1, a perceived mount Olympus business acumen (to fix all of the fiscal destruction of Obama) from building Bloomberg News and 2, he can spend $1 Billion dollars of his OWN money for a campaign and still have $3 Billion dollars left in his bank account when all is said and done.
I count this guy as dangerous. He would give the term "nanny state" a brand new meaning and make Obama look like a piker in that regard.
That's my .01 cent, New York took the rest in taxes.
Per Garage Mahal reality:
"This poll was conducted among a random sample of 1,129 adults nationwide"
This is two steps removed from a useful poll - is not based on registered voters and not based on likely voters.
Note also that the poll indicates only 41% of Republicans and 23% of independentshave a favorable view of the Tea Party . This strikes me as laughably off base - how are the Republicans doing this well based on this?
Another hit and run, shallow post by the king of 'em.
I think the former gov. from Alaska will win the Republican nomination if she runs.
As for the presidency: This is up to Obama. If he stays to the left, anybody the Republicans nominate will beat him. If he tacks back to the center, like Clinton did, he will be tough to beat.
People do like divided govt. and I expect the Republicans to increase their majority in the house and become the majority in the senate--or increase it if they do well Tue after next.
I respect and appreciation Sarah Palin for her courage in saying what needs to be said no matter how much the left tries to malign and destroy her.
That having been said I'd rather not see her be the Republican candidate for president in 2012. Thin resume. Too polarizing. You want someone that the independent "middle" is willing to try.
My best friend is a university dean and not a flaming liberal. I was shocked and horrified when he said he voted for Obama because he could not bring himself to vote for Palin. I don't see how any moderate/conservative could possibly think that makes sense. I'd vote for Palin 2012 over any Democrat. But still would rather see a stronger candidate with broader appeal.
All you need to know about Bloomberg is that he told a pregnant employee to "kill it." She sued, and he settled. You want to run this against Sarah? Good luck with that.
we need someone that the other side doesn't abjectly hate.
I used to think this.
You've got to remember you are dealing with people that are not acting in good faith. The Democrats will villify demonize and scapegoat our nominee, no matter what.
The organizational structure of the Tea Party is deliberate. There is no "head" for the Libtards to Alynsky. Other than Palin, who appears to have their number down.
People forget: August 1994, the attorney most liked and respected by Democrats, with the reputation of being "The Last Boy Scout".
Kenneth Starr.
You have to have a base of voters to win the Presidency. Bloomburg has no one. Running against the first black President would kill him with hard liberals and blacks. His nanny state stances on burgers and fries would kill him with libertarians. His Jewishness and social liberal views would kill him with evangelicals. Who, other than the media, votes for the guy?
I don't think Bloomburg could get more than 10% in a three way race with Palin and Obama
That having been said I'd rather not see her be the Republican candidate for president in 2012. Thin resume. Too polarizing.
And in 4 years
"That having been said I'd rather not see him be the Republican candidate for president in 2012. Too polarizing."
I'm just saying, the person for the job will be polarized.
But I agree - I hope Palin stays out of it and just fields all the foul balls the Libtard throw at our candidates. Her tweets have become a great device - the Libtard attacks keep bouncing back on them.
She's going to defeat you and make you look silly in the process.
I guarantee it.
Haha. She isn't even going to run. For obvious reasons, first she is just too plain lazy. I hope she does, but she won't.
Libtard: she is just too plain lazy.
Yes, she didn't resign her office to save her fellow Alaskans from your frivolous lawsuits, lawsuits that would have drained the state coffers and hamstrung her ability serve in that office.
Its because she's "lazy".
Keep thinking that.
If she runs for president, we lose her in the valuable role she has now. It's more important to take/keep control of Congress--if the Republicans can do that, and if they listen to the Tea Party, they can pull in the reins on O. If she were to run and lose in '12, would she still have the power she has now? I don't think so. If she stays where she is, the Tea Party has a better chance of keeping the Republicans in line, no matter who the president is.
I'd like to say that the biggest thing to worry about is government spending but O's bowing has made it much more likely that 2012 president will need very strong foreign policy chops.
That said, I'm like many others: in a race between her and O, I'd vote for her.
Yes, she didn't resign her office to save her fellow Alaskans from your frivolous lawsuits, lawsuits that would have drained the state coffers and hamstrung her ability serve in that office.
Correct. She didn't.
August 1994, the attorney most liked and respected by Democrats, with the reputation of being "The Last Boy Scout".
Why delve into ancient history when there's a far more recent example. Anyone remember as far back as 2007–early 2008?
"Oh, the Media admire and respect John McCain so much, let's run him ..."
Bloomberg is a purely New York City phenomenon that is not going to work anywhere else.
Obama will not tack anywhere - at least not to the right.
The Sarahcuda is doing fine as it is and having the time of her life.
What will 2012 look like if Iran goes to war with any or all of its neighbors before then, and they have, or it looks like someone shortly will, lobbed nuclear devices at each other?
@Scott M. -
Regarding your betting pool - the last Monday of each month is reserved for performing periodic and routine maintenance on most of our puppet units. This may reduce the number of comments posted in reply to this topic while they are powered down.
The garage mahal unit may have gone a bit rogue today; not unexpected because it is an early-in-the-production-run unit that has an embedded uninterruptible power source. It is a low-power unit, though, so even in ideal conditions its logic processor is highly prone to errors.
Apologies.
Sarah Palin is every bit as qualified as George W. Bush was in 1999. More so, because she had made her way in the world without a fat cat father's help.
What was W.'s experience in foreign policy matters? He could see Mexico from his porch?
I don't want to see Sarah Palin President, but face it, W. set a very low bar for the GOP nomination.
If she runs in '12 it will demonstrate a lack of the ability to delay gratification. She'll be all the more stronger and savvy and informed in '16. And as PW said, she's very valuable in the job she currently fills.
Besides, can you imagine a Sarah v. Hillary race in '16? lol That would be bitchin'.
The most trite part about that piece, is it's not about anything real, it's about spoiler strategies and perceptions, not issues. It's why people have tuned out of politics in part. Now whether it's official or not, there's already a proxy run for the nomination, in the Miller,
O'Donnell and Angle contests to cite three. In virtually every instance those who would along with the Obama administration, on it's unsustainable path to nowhere.
Tell me what someone believes, and how hard they are willing to fight
for it, and that determines the strength of their showing, specially if most people in the country agree on those issues
Fls being funny?
Al Gore?
John Kerry?
John Edwards?
Barack Obama?
Joe Biden?
I hate it when you are unfair to the President fls.
You can not take away the fact the Senator Obama was the most under qualified person ever to be elected President. No one can ever take that away from him.
No one has ever set the bar lower.
Why do you always pick on him like that? Give the man some respect.
Yes, she didn't resign her office to save her fellow Alaskans from your frivolous lawsuits, lawsuits that would have drained the state coffers and hamstrung her ability serve in that office.
Whether or not that was her reason, it wasn't probably the best thing to do if she had designs on the Presidency (or at least, hopes for 2012). It made people who really had no major problem with her kind of concerned and it took her from "governor" to "lady who writes stuff on facebook". I think you have to admit that running from a position of Governor is generally considered better.
That said, she's pretty good at "lady who writes stuff on facebook" so I think she should stick with it. I don't want her running in 2012. If she runs ever, I would hope she would bulk up her resume first. I guess that puts me in the what, 40%? I also think her negatives are too high right now.
"That said, I'm like many others: in a race between her and O, I'd vote for her."
Exactly so and that is what scares the bejeebers out of the left and also the reason for the unrelenting attacks.
Puppet Central Headquarters = Holy Moly/Mr V.S. Gupta/Carl Bob Mellon/Carl Johnson/The Anti Michael
Holy sock puppets indeed!
I mean the dude is a guy who basically never did anything significant in his life that wasn't handed to him by somebody who had to make their numbers look good.
And he turned that razor thin resume into the Presidency of the United States.
You should celebrate your leader fls. Why are you dissing his accomplishment like this.
He really proves that anybody can grow up to be the President of the United States.
Show the man some respect.
You people underestimate the stupidity of the average Republican. Their dream ticket would be Bob Dole-John McCain. Think of the experience! Captain Ed probably wets his pants just thinking of it.
Bet on Romney. He's boring, looks good in a suit, has executive hair, has never been popular, won't rock the boat or really change anything AND he's run before.
Palin 'had to' resign her Alaska job in order to play a national role in 2010 and position herself for a possible run in 2010. It was a risk to her political future but when the chance is worth taking...
If abreviating her term to toil in the national arena makes Palin a 'quiter', what are we to call Sebelius and Napolitano and other governors who have moved on. Has the MSM ever called them quitters?
2012 Palin Presidency? Not going to happen. If she runs, it'll be more along the lines of influential failed campaigns that force the other candidates' hands as deals are made.
what are we to call Sebelius and Napolitano and other governors who have moved on.
"Employed"
Libtard: What was W.'s experience in foreign policy matters? He could see Mexico from his porch?
You really want to go there?
Obama is letting Iran have the Bomb. Our allies think we will betray them. Our enemies think we are a Paper Tiger. And everyone in between is hedging their bets with the bad guys.
"Smart" diplomacy?
And best of all, Americans across the nation are sublty changing their habits and patterns so they don't offend Islam.
Sarah Palin was born 2/11/64. She will be 56 in 2020. What's the rush?
Now you are going to start Fen?
What's the matter with you? Don't you know that the President is going to show Iran that anti-bullying video? That should take care of that.
Give the man some credit.
Show him a little respect.
People like those at NPR
Dem nominee Meets or exceeds resume of
Al Gore? Richard Nixon
John Kerry? John McCain
John Edwards? Was not nominated
Barack Obama? JFK, RFK
Joe Biden? Dan Quayle, Bob Dole
the President is going to show Iran that anti-bullying video?
He'll file an EEO complaint with the UN first...
It would be a bad idea for the Republicans to nominate her when there are so many better Republican candidates out there.
Leftists hate her because ... [she did not abort] a handicapped child.
Right, because if there's one thing Leftists hate, it's the handicapped. You'll see long picket lines of former Air America listeners at the Special Olympics. "Differently Abled Go Home" "We Hate the Handicapable!" read their signs.
Fen: Save your wrath for people declaring Sarah's resume "thin."
I hope the Left in this country understands that they don't speak for us when they surrender.
Although its not hard to picture Dhimmi FLS, Dhimmi Garage, and Dhimmi HD ratting out us "evil" conservatives to their furture Immam.
Barack Obama? JFK, RFK
Seriously. I mean JFK had a lot experience banging chicks and making deals with mobsters. Plus he was in the Navy with Ernst Borgnine and Tim Conway on that PT-Boat.
And Bobby was an imitation Roy Cohn as a Congressional staffer and the attorney general who violated the rights of many Italian Americans and had a bunch of kids who grew up to be nasty drug addicts.
What did Barry ever do to match that?
Face it. He is by far the most unqualified man ever to be made President of the United States. You should be proud.
I mean the man makes Millard Fillmore look like George Washington.
Give him some respect.
fls,
Those are your personal opinions of these people. Likes and dislikes.
If you really think their resumes at the time when they won their party's nomination are comparable, even Nixon in 1952, and in favor of the Democrats listed, all I can say is that you are a very ignorant person.
"I don't want to see Sarah Palin President, but face it, W. set a very low bar for the GOP nomination."
True enough. And BO set it even lower for the Dems. At least Bush had been a governor of the largest state. Obama's supporters were reduced to arguing his college resume. You could pull someone off the street at random and have at least a fifty fifty shot of getting someone at least as qualified for the position as Obama.
If you really think their resumes at the time when they won their party's nomination are comparable, even Nixon in 1952,
Nixon: Military service, two years as Congressman, two years as Senator, two terms as VP, Presidential nomination.
Gore: Military service, eight years as
Congressman, eight years as Senator, two terms as VP, Presidential nomination.
John,
Obama's supporters have not touted his college resume. I have never seen anything beyond mere statements that he attended these colleges.
I totally want SP to run!
Bring it. Obama wins again.
Right, because if there's one thing Leftists hate, it's the handicapped
ala Rush Limbaugh mocking Michael J Fox. Which goes to show how far Sarah Palin is really concerned with the handicapped.
Does she somehow think by getting Bloomberg on his side it'll bring in conservatives or even Obama republican's? We had that busy body do-gooder Bloomberg.
"Obama's supporters have not touted his college resume. I have never seen anything beyond mere statements that he attended these colleges."
You must have not been listening very hard. How could you miss the daily assertions that he was "Editor of Harvard Law Review"? Like there is not one of those every year or it is anything but a political position anyway. It is not like the best scholar becomes editor. And the man is nearly fifty years old. Doesn't he have something to show for his life after law school? Actually he didn't beyond two books about himself and a failed career as a "community organizer" whatever that is.
Richard Nixon….paranoid fear of Communists.
Al Gore…. Paranoid fear of carbon emissions.
Richard Nixon…..ended Vietnam War.
Al Gore….once met a Vietnamese whore.
Richard Nixon….always stayed on message.
Al Gore….always stayed on massager.
You know you might have something there fls.
Ugh, Trooper. That was a really, really long walk...
Hey they can't all be pearls.
Think of it as a long walk on the beach in wing tip shoes.
I see that every knife is out against Palin. She is said to be lazy while she does 3 to 4 events per day across the USA. She is accused of being a drop out and then told she should drop out of this race because a lazy dropout should wait 10 years. The problem with her waiting for her opponents suggested 10 years is that without her gutsy leadership the USA in 10 years may have become a plebiscite form of government only allowed to approve our appointed Head within the Province of the North America in a World Government. This is np longer the familiar 1950s to 2000s American hegemony times with the privilege of screwing up again.
At the beach in wingtips? What a classy guy.
I thought the Nixon/Gore thing was great. (I swear, I think it's book deal, but a whatchamacallit is more likely.)
John,
But no one has explained how or why he became editor of the Review, though many have asked, which goes to my point. And as I understand it, it is a position that is supposed to be earned by some evidence of legal scholarship, even if only the lefty kind is admissible.
Fls,
For Nixon that would be 4 years as Congressman. In both Houses he did yeoman work as an ardent anti-communist crusader, which was a very big deal back then. Not work I particularly approved of, so I later voted against him when he ran as head of the ticket, but "Ironbutt" Nixon certainly had a resume.
Hagar, you're right: four years as Congressman for Nixon. But no one could compete with Wisconsin's own "Tail-gunner Joe" for finding a Red under every bed.
Or JFK for finding a redhead under every bed.
Clinton was just a pale imitation of the real deal.
And fls,
Nixon was kind of an accidental Republican. When he got out of the Navy in -46 and considered entering politics, he rather thought to run as a Democrat, but it so happened that the Representative for his home district was a Democrat, and the local Republicans were looking for some presentable veteran with a snazzy picture in uniform to run against him.
Kind of makes you think of what might have been, doesn't it?
I see that every knife is out against Palin...said to be lazy... accused of being a drop out... should wait 10 years.
Not me, tradguy. And note that those who want her to wait have no suggestions what she should be doing in the mean time. What prerequisites does she need to fulfill?
"Leftists hate her because they see her as advocating some kinds of limits on abortion"
Kind of off topic, but has Palin ever advocated legal restrictions on abortion beyond those already in place?
fls,
Actually, "Tailgunner Joe" and his acolytes only found one bona fide communist agent - and not under a bed - and that one the FBI already had under observation, but had to drop the case because the Cohn & Schine act had contaminated the evidence so bad he could not be prosecuted even in the spirit of those times.
Except for 1946-48, were not both Houses under Democratic control?
Think of what Nixon could have achieved back then, if only he had been a Democrat!
"Kind of off topic, but has Palin ever advocated legal restrictions on abortion beyond those already in place?"
Nope. But it is not like leftists have ever let facts get in the way of their irrational hatreds and snobbery.
You can tell the National socialists are desperate when they call start reaching back to Nixon. As for the thinness of Miss Sarah's resume, even in '08 it had more of substance than The Zero's.
Trooper York said...
Richard Nixon….paranoid fear of Communists.
No paranoia, they were infiltrating and they got what they wanted. Look at our major institutions, look at how the small c communists have changed the culture.
Look at what's in the White House.
I'd vote for Obama before I'd vote for Bloomberg.
So, Fls,
What has any of the people on this list actually achieved that is relevant to qualifications for an office of trust and remuneration in the U.S. Government? In a way, that is?
Al Gore?
John Kerry?
John Edwards?
Barack Obama?
Joe Biden?
Hagar said...
Think of what Nixon could have achieved back then, if only he had been a Democrat!
There would have been no Watergate and therefore no Jimmah or Reagan. Also, as a Democrat, Nixon wouldn't have had credibility on China and therefore could not have driven a wedge between the two major Communist powers.
Gremlins struck again.
"In a positive way, that is?
dhb,
The discussion was about 20 years before Watergate.
Al Gore? Invented the internet.
John Kerry? Served in Vietnam. And he has the hat. He has the hat to this very day.
John Edwards? Fabulous hair. Devoted husband to brave, cancer-stricken Elizabeth...oh, what's that? Um, like I said, fabulous hair.
Barack Obama? Editor of the Harvard Law Review. Got some asbestos out of Altgeld Gardens. Used to party with coeds at UW-Madison.
Joe Biden? Hmmm...that's a tough one.
"Sarah Palin is every bit as qualified as George W. Bush was in 1999. More so, because she had made her way in the world without a fat cat father's help.
What was W.'s experience in foreign policy matters? He could see Mexico from his porch?
I don't want to see Sarah Palin President, but face it, W. set a very low bar for the GOP nomination."
FLS, you are just cracking me up with your unintentional irony these days. First, the golf crack about W , and now this. If W set the bar low, Barry O did the limbo under it.
ricpic said...
"The presidency is Sarah's for the asking. The only suspense is whether she'll ask."
Well someone teach her to speak a coherent sentence and I'll guess we'll find out....anyone? anyone? Buellar?
Mr. House,
It's ..., not ....
I bet Palin knows that.
Actually, Ike was justifiably criticized for picking Nixon in 1952 on the grounds of Nixon being too young and an inexperienced lightweight. But he was famous - or infamous, depending on party (R or D) viewpoint - and the Republicans wanted to "stir up the base" in todays jargon.
And he had earned the fame - or infamy - no one was neutral about "Tricky Dick" then, which you cannot say about any of the recent Democratic candidates for national office. What we think of when we see their names, is not related to what we knew about them at the time of their nomination for office. (With the exception of John Kerry, and what we think of there is hardly a positive recommendation.)
What has any of the people on this list actually achieved that is relevant to qualifications for an office of trust and remuneration in the U.S. Government? In a way, that is?
Al Gore?
John Kerry?
John Edwards?
Barack Obama?
Joe Biden?
They were all elected to the United States Senate.
If W set the bar low, Barry O did the limbo under it.
Excuse me? Was Obama in the running for the GOP nomination?
dhb,
The discussion was about 20 years before Watergate.
Yes, which is why (partly) there wouldn't have been a Watergate.
Stevenson, was the Obama, of his day,
the darling of the intellectual set, he was beaten like a drum, twice, JFK
appointed him to the UN, and he sort
of redeemed himself during the Missile Crisis, which wouldn't have
been necessary, if he had given the right advice during the Bay of Pigs, in the first place
unintentional irony these days. First, the golf crack about W
Help me out here:
W. doesn't play golf?
W. plays golf but sinks every putt?
W. misses putts when he plays golf, but doesn't suck in his breath when they fail to go in?
I don't believe Palin will run in 2012.
Maybe... 2020.
Well someone teach her to speak a coherent sentence and I'll guess we'll find out....anyone? anyone? Buellar?
HenHouse wrote on this very site at Muslims are the new Jews.
And somebody that fucking stupid thinks that we should listen to his dumb cracks about Palin?
Plug the hole in your skull with chewing gum, HenHouse. Your brain fluid is leaking out.
Your comments are of no purpose or importance.
Stevenson, was the Obama, of his day,
the darling of the intellectual set, he was beaten like a drum, twice
Stevenson was more like the Jeb Bush (the competent Bush brother) of his day. From a politically prominent family (grandpa had been Cleveland's Vice President), Stevenson went to prep school, then an Ivy League school, finally Harvard Law School. Stevenson was urged to run for President while he was Governor of Illinois -- the third most populous state in the nation when he was elected.
Stevenson was brainy and a good public speaker, but so is Jeb.
"And he had earned the fame - or infamy - no one was neutral about "Tricky Dick" then, which you cannot say about any of the recent Democratic candidates for national office."
That's not really true. I mean everybody knew about "Slick Willie" but the scumbag mainstream press downplayed it or covered up the extent of it until after the election. In fact if Drudge didn't break the story it would still be covered up.
"Slick Willie" searched out pussy just as much as "Tricky Dick" searched out commies. Just sayn'
Everyone who thinks Palin isn't ready and wants her to wait ten years, what should she be doing in the meantime? How should she be developing herself to merit the nomination?
HDHouse said...
ricpic said...
"The presidency is Sarah's for the asking. The only suspense is whether she'll ask."
Well someone teach her to speak a coherent sentence and I'll guess we'll find out....anyone? anyone? Buellar?
Bueller, here, sir.
The one with the words "death panels" seemed to come through loud and clear.
How is it that an out-of-work mom from Alaska can keep a United States administration playing defensive poker is beyond me, but she's managed to do just that repeatedly, if not recently.
"How should she be developing herself to merit the nomination?"
I don't know. I think she is fully developed.
So to speak.
The Palin secret ingredient is her ability to cause an attitude adjustment in DC, especially among the GOP which has so far been unwilling to fight Obama, the black man. Palin the white woman pulls no punched. So support he and win. She can become better as she learns who to trust in DC...only your dog.
Bloomberg is the guy who, in addition to other things, changed the rules so he could serve another term as mayor on the grounds that NY needs him so much.
Not good.
Plus he's not all that charismatic, and I don't see him really rallying either side, but especially not conservatives as he is a RINO personified.
HDHouse said...
Well someone teach her to speak a coherent sentence and I'll guess we'll find out....anyone? anyone? Buellar?
I'll guess we'll find out?
The third rule of blog commenting: If you're calling someone stupid, always remember to proofread!
Everybody in Arkansas must have known about "Slick Willie," and possibly some in the neighboring states, but nationally the Clintons had not been heard of, and the MSM certainly was not going to tell.
Adlai Stevenson had a quite impressive resume, was well respected, and had the suppoert of his party's "Establishment." Also he had the "egghead" label as well as "soft on communism," however unfair that might have been. That also were "interesting times."
Jeb certainly is a lot smoother than his brother, and they loved him in Florida, but I shudder to think of the Democrats' reaction if he were to run.
Still, strange things do happen in politics.
Jeb certainly is a lot smoother than his brother, and they loved him in Florida, but I shudder to think of the Democrats' reaction if he were to run.
I shudder to think of my reaction to the following; Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Bush-Clinton.
Even without the increasingly hypothetical Clinton on the end there, it's still goes against the grain in a big way.
The mainstream media knew all about Slick Willie. I mean the chief lapdog and dick licker Joe Klein wrote a freakin book about it but made it fiction.
They covered it up like they did for JFK and John Edwards. They always do that for the Democrats till it get so bad that it has to come out.
Not necessarily. These people are not trustworthy. They also knew that Joe McCarthy was an alcoholic, a falling down drunk, not too bright when he was sober, and no real danger to anyone but himself and his immediate surroundings. It was the media that egged him on, blew up his importance, and encouraged others around the country to emulate him. Then, when they got tired of the game, they did a "bootlegger 180" and turned on him and his followers.
And, of course, they had never had anything to do with the debacle, had always bravely resisted "McCarthyism," etc. etc., with little shiny halos supported with coathangers above their heads.
I have always remembered that, and would caution anyone to be careful about getting too far out from shore on the premise that the media will back you up and protect you.
AllenS said...
Mr. House,
It's ..., not ....
In HDHouse's defense... Some style books say three periods for trailing off in the middle of a sentence, four periods for trailing off at the end. I seldom see that practiced today, but that's what was in my first style book (so long ago I don't remember which one it was).
And HDHouse's sentence was arguably at the end. So in the Great Grammar Nitpick Competition That is Such a Vital Issue of the Day, I think he gets a pass on this one.
Or it's not a vital issue after all, and who cares?
On the other hand, HDHouse... Misspelling Bueller is a massive fail. Have some respect for the 80s, man!
Haha. She isn't even going to run. For obvious reasons, first she is just too plain lazy
So, if I understand correctly, anyone who does not run for president it lazy?
This is not an argument.
Bloomberg is an east-coast progressive who is very cozy with wall street on many levels. Many on wall street are progressives. Many in Erkle's camp are progressive/progressive-socialists for the sole purpose of seeing themselves enriched. It's a game and Bloomberg will keep the show rolling along.
Bloomberg is a NEW YORK Republican. That means he should be considered a Democrat in 85% of the other, more rational states, usually considered flyover territory. Calling him a Rino just doesn't capture his political sensibilities.
As for who should run and who might win the Republican nomination? The only person who I think could win, Chris Christie, has made it clear he will not run.
As for Sarah Palin for President? The last line of that article captured my concerns.
“She’s a supernova,” says McKinnon. “The only parallel is Barack Obama. And look what happened to him.”
and I don't think it's all that hard to see how Palin could win, so I'm not that inclined to slog through all the details. But speaking of living at the unicorn ranch and huffing pixie dust, Heilemann is really all about the President Bloomberg scenario. I don't get that at all.
LOL. It's all about the incompetence when it comes to capturing artist-lawyer's vote.
Crazy. Palin's a better choice than a guy who can actually run a place correctly. That an educated person in America can believe such a thing says a lot.
You just keep leaving out those pesky details, EBL. Foregone conclusions, blanket assertions and other wild-eyed BS is too precious to allow for getting bogged down in petty things like actual details.
Grandiosity!
Althouse's quotes are hilarious!
"I think that she is the hope of a certain faction of people within the Republican party, who see her as a great figurehead, like Ronald Reagan, who, if they could only upload enough information into her, and manage her properly, and run the campaign well, that she would be a great candidate."
I love it. "Figurehead." "Upload information into her."
Someone needs to have their programming looked at.
And Jeremy, our bet last year on Palin winning the GOP nomination is looking like I will be the weiner on that one. Would you like to go double or nothing on Palin terminating the reign of King Obama.
Ritmo...I bet you haven't visited Ronald Reagan's Library. He is buried there too. The visitors are hushed and reverant. His literate skills was superior to most men. We brought home a plaque that says from memory, " I will go anywhere to negotiate with anyone for peace, but I will never surrender for peace". That about sums him up. We Palin supporters see those same qualities in the Wasilla Warrior.
Palin can try to resurrect the spirit of Reagan but the problem (and most people, especially women, already know this) is that she has disdain for the kind of willingness Reagan had to actually consult with people who had expertise in the adventures he dabbled in.
Althouse has faith that Palin can be "programmed" in the way Reagan could be. I don't buy it. Even Reagan knew not to be an idiot and have contempt for his advisors.
@ScottM, only 140 comments with 5 hours to go, but Ritmo just showed up so there's hope you'll get to 240 (or 300!) yet.
He will want to make absolutely certain that everybody understands right down to the period at the end of the sentence that (1) he hates Sarah Palin and (2) anybody who disagrees with him is a dirty old poopy-head.
I'm looking for 50 or more comments just out of him.
I'm really impressed at how prescient the Professor was in that clip -- but now Palin has to demonstrate that she can get Miller past Murkowski or she's kind of hosed. Murkowski may have given Palin the opening she needs.
Mike, even though your autism prevents you from properly understanding my feelings, I understand that it shouldn't severely impair your memory. Therefore, you should remember my words from earlier regarding what I feel about Palin. Being concerned about someone's incompetence does not mean you hate them. It also doesn't mean you hate them if you have a handle on the fact that a large number of people are also concerned about that incompetence.
I'm sure there are a lot of women who are turned off by Palin. Just because you don't know many women doesn't mean these people don't exist.
Also, if you want me to minimize my number of comments, then more Althousians should strive for making good points, rather than easily refutable BS that they pull out of their butts and FOX's emotion machine.
Have a good evening, Mike. And don't forget to make love to that Sarah Palin poster hanging on your wall, ok? She needs your love. She really, really needs it.
Long way to go for 240 comments...
@ScottM, told ya.
I'm waiting until Ritmo promises to move out of the country if Sarah is elected in 2012. I suspect SarahPAC could get a good-sized money bomb just out of the Althouse commentators who would be glad to see him go.
Big Mike:
Exactly what did I say that agreed with what you said to Scott @ 6:10?
I don't think someone who goes by the initials "BM" is in a good position to say who can and cannot call someone else a "poopy-head". Or maybe, that means that he is.
In any event, here's hoping your political investments turn out to be as bad an investment as those you placed in the housing bubble-fueled American economy. ;-)
Abortion has become the sacrament of the Democratic Party.
Truer words were never spoken.
It's only a matter of time before Democrats fully endorse the right to kill those born but under the age of 6 months. I'm thinking by mid-century, around 2050. Anyone?
WV: "adher": when something just won't stick.
@Ritmo:
Palin can try to resurrect the spirit of Reagan but the problem (and most people, especially women, already know this) is that she has disdain for the kind of willingness Reagan had to actually consult with people who had expertise in the adventures he dabbled in.
On the whole, that's a great point, Ritmo. I disagree, however, with the degree of Palin's "disdain." I think she's been well advised, and she does consult as needed. She's been picking it up as she goes along, very much in the way Reagan did back in the '50's.
However, in the end, I think it comes down to the quality of the consultants, especially her chief consultant, Todd Palin.
And that's the elephant sitting in the corner. Todd Palin is turning out to be something of a political Svengali, someone we don't know much about.
Be that as it may, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. If she decides to run in '12, I think she stands a good chance of winning, regardless. It it's Palin v. Obama, I'm gonna get out there and pull for Palin.
Long way to go for 240 comments...
Sigh. Palin doesn't stir the pot here quite like she used too.
What Althouse needs for a real threadburner would be what Juan Williams saw or heard about Palin (or O'Donnell) while working at NPR. That would peg the ol'thread-o-meter.
More specifically, what Juan Williams saw or heard his colleagues at NPR say about Palin or O'Donnell.
Althouse, maybe a poll:
Will Palin run in 2012?
1) Yes
2) No
Ritmo...But what advice would you give to President Palin? On taxes, on immigration, on dealing with China, on support for Israel keeping Jerusalem, on down sizing the various Federal Bureaus of Nonsense? What positions are smart ones? She will have no problem communicating in terms that remind Americans that she believes in them...so what direction should she lead Americans in? She will ramp up Coal Oil and Natural gas production, but beyond that how can She make a good policy for recovery?
Almost Ali...Palin has been running for President for over a year now. The doubt stories are fluff pieces as if women cannot make up their minds when offered a chance at their only dream: a Hollywood Starlet's career. Watch her moves, especially at the C4palin website
traditionalguy said...
Almost Ali...Palin has been running for President for over a year...
It certainly "appears" that way. It's a good political strategy, but ultimately not necessarily the road to the White House. I see it as a feint intended to keep the opposition totally off balance.
Doesn't mean I'm right, but I see no advantage for Palin running in 2012.
sixty grit... Then I propose we let those over 72 months form squads to kill the government guys first. When I was a young 60 year old, I was still looking for fights to start with big 20 somethings. The 2nd Amendment still has Napolitano and Obama bitterly trying to cling to their monopoly on weapons.
Hagar,
You also forgot to mention that Tail Gunner Joe had the support of Harry Truman. It was Ike who called off the dogs and stopped McCarthy. And it was the Dem HUAC that caused most of the problems with the anti-communists including the Hollywood 10.
Also it was RFK who sicced Hoover into the wiretapping and have agents follow the Hippies and the Love Generation and it was Bill Moyers who had his own department followed by the FBI to check on whether they were gay or communists.
Strange how the Dems keep trying to rewrite history.
Ritmo Brasileiro said...
Palin can try to resurrect the spirit of Reagan but the problem (and most people, especially women, already know this) is that she has disdain for the kind of willingness Reagan had to actually consult with people who had expertise in the adventures he dabbled in.
How can you possibly know this?
His literate skills was superior to most men.
But still, I preferred The Old Ranger to Reagan as host of Death Valley Days.
How can you possibly know this?
For starters, her speeches are still exactly the same crowd-pleasing pablum they were two years ago.
Reagan had rhetoric, but he had the specifics too.
For starters, her speeches are still exactly the same crowd-pleasing pablum they were two years ago.
Reagan had rhetoric, but he had the specifics too.
10/26/10 1:32 AM
I don't agree.
I've listened to her hone her speeches over the last year plus and she's doing a fantastic job.
Furthermore... I don't know of anyone who saw her barnburner Anaheim speech about a week ago who walked away from it with any other impression than she's going to run.
And she gave specifics. Her attacks were sharp and brutal...and like Reagan, she delivered these verbal shivs with a smile on her face.
Jeebus! I don't see why anyone even thinks Palin wants or intends to run for President. She's a rank opportunist, not necessarily stupid but certainly uninformed and not obviously interested in becoming informed, and there's no credible reason that she quit her governorship other than that she wanted to get out from under the ethics investigations facing her and (better!) grab some o' that big dough that was hers for the grabbing!
She's got it made right now. She doesn't have to do much other than make personal appearances for generous cash fees and issue her banal tweets and public pronouncements, and her idolators swoon and gush and say how great she is. She doesn't have to really do anything or risk disillusioning her base by failing in office, (which would be inevitable), and she gets to keep raking in the green!
She's like one of those "celebrities" once so famous merely for their ubiquity on THE MATCH GAME or THE GONG SHOW...she's a less talented Jaye P. Morgan!
Only in our image driven post-literate mediascape could so many people become so blind to the obvious regarding Sarah Palin: there is no there there.
"His literate skills was superior to most men."
He said, illiterately.
And inaccurately.
Thanks, Robert Cook, for making this way too easy.
Please do continue to fall for the left's talking points about her.
Don't listen to her or watch what she's doing. Let the media spoon feed you all of your opinions.
It'll make the next couple years that much fun for those of us who are paying attention.
If the choice in 2012 is Obama, Palin and Bloomberg, I am voting Libertarian.
Uber,
See my comments above regarding "...her idolators" (who) "swoon and gush...."
Were your ears burning?
Palin has never expressed one interesting, incisive, informed or novel thought, or revealed in any way that she has an understanding of the world greater than that of a typical American high schooler. It's no wonder she's popular among a certain (minority) strata of Americans: As the Sub-Geniuses say, "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you like an equal."
Robert Cook said...
Uber,
See my comments above regarding "...her idolators" (who) "swoon and gush...."
Were your ears burning?
Palin has never expressed one interesting, incisive, informed or novel thought, or revealed in any way that she has an understanding of the world greater than that of a typical American high schooler. It's no wonder she's popular among a certain (minority) strata of Americans: As the Sub-Geniuses say, "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you like an equal."
10/27/10 6:50 AM
Right.
Because I like Palin, I MUST be some sort of brain dead zombie.
So typical. I neither swoon nor gush. I just like her. But in your little pea brain, any support for her equals some sort of mindless cultist. Sorry to blow your narrative...but I like lots of people and I don't worship any of them.
As for the rest of the tripe you spew, again...I'm actually paying attention. I'm listening to her speeches.
Did you even bother listening to her speech in Anaheim? No. Of course not. Why bother?
Maddow and Olbermann have already assured you that she's a brain dead nothing with no real thoughts.
So like the little leftist lapdog that you are, you have no problem lapping up and regurgitating all their little talking points.
Feel free to come up with an original thought and prove me wrong. But you won't. That takes way too much effort. So why bother when the "smart" people at MSNBC have already done your thinking for you?
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