Althouse: "What makes it even more disturbing is the presence of others."

October 28, 2009

"What makes it even more disturbing is the presence of others."

"People came by, saw what was happening and failed to report it."

82 comments:

Anonymous said...: Nobody reported it? Not even a case of "rape-rape"?; 10/28/09, 7:09 AM
Robert Cook said...: It is horrifying indeed, but not necessarily surprising. Studies suggest that people are less likely to intervene if there are many others around, as each person assumes--or can justify his or her own failure to act by assuming--that someone else will do something.

Also, people are afraid of repercussions to them personally if they get involved; they don't want to get dragged into a possibly long involvement with the legal system, or have to testify at a trial; or they know some of the people involved and don't want to be seen as snitches; or they may tell themselves the victim is a willful participant; etc.

Not very pretty or justifiable reasons at all to do nothing at all, even calling 911, to stop such a horrible act from occurring. But then, humans in many ways aren't pretty.; 10/28/09, 7:12 AM
AllenS said...: Maybe people didn't report it to the police, because they couldn't speak English.

WV: bricaros

That's them.; 10/28/09, 7:15 AM
kentuckyliz said...: If she was walking to meet her father for a ride home, where was he? Sitting in his car for hours? Not blaming him, just wondering.

This is also illustrative of the thug gangsta culture that I hate. I can imagine a dystopian future in our country, terrorized by rival gangs.

If we ever vote for fascist security and reduced freedom, it will be because of the gangs.

Read the comments at the article, about the nature of the neighborhood and the racial makeup of the gang that raped.

I hope those guys rot in jail. They can have all the gangs, beatings, and rapes their little hearts desire.

WV prinses
NOT!; 10/28/09, 7:17 AM
TMink said...: I blame porn.

Casually watching public sex and debasement of a child in a desensitized manner.

Yep, porn.

Trey; 10/28/09, 7:23 AM
traditionalguy said...: Mexifornia has its own values and its own rules.; 10/28/09, 7:35 AM
Hoosier Daddy said...: But then, humans in many ways aren't pretty.

No, just certain ones.; 10/28/09, 7:41 AM
KCFleming said...: Clockwork Orange County.; 10/28/09, 8:05 AM
Shanna said...: Poor girl.

As for the witnesses, presumably these are their friends that were doing the raping. If you have friends like that, you may not have much of a conscious yourself.; 10/28/09, 8:15 AM
vet66 said...: Kitty Genovese in the 21st Century. I wonder how many females watched the mayhem? Let us see if the perp has a rap sheet. This story will get uglier as the investigation continues.; 10/28/09, 8:27 AM
Automatic_Wing said...: Will this make anyone rethink our moronic immigration policy of inviting Mexico's underclass to come here and settle? Probably not.

Fun fact: Richmond, CA is a "sanctuary city" for illegal aliens.; 10/28/09, 8:45 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: I told you people today are not human.; 10/28/09, 8:54 AM
Fred4Pres said...: Kitty Genovese weeps.; 10/28/09, 9:02 AM
Anonymous said...: Kitty Genovese was a lesbian. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But it is reassuring to know that certain issues transcend sexual orientation.; 10/28/09, 9:09 AM
Darcy said...: Turned my stomach.

Animals.; 10/28/09, 9:09 AM
Photog714 said...: You can measure the mettle of those sheep-faced spectators against the six heroes on United 93. They stood up like men, said "Let's roll!" and went to their deaths doing the right thing.; 10/28/09, 9:36 AM
Dust Bunny Queen said...: Richmond California is a sewer full of human garbage.

It used to be a fairly nice city about 25 years ago before the liberals emphasis on diversity over common sense and stupid feel good social policies. So did Oakland, Berkely and a whole host of previously beautiful California East Bay cities occupied by working families. They are now nothing but public works projects with Section 8 housing, rampant with gangs, illegal aliens, crime, overworked inadequate police and crumbling infrastructure.

I wouldn't drive through those areas on a bet. The best thing that could happen would be to put a big fence around the area and let them all kill each other.

vw: prebach. Harpsicord music before Bach.; 10/28/09, 9:36 AM
Robert Cook said...: "The best thing that could happen would be to put a big fence around the area and let them all kill each other."

And so you show you are as bestial as the young men who committed this crime. (And I love how you try to claim this is the liberals' fault!); 10/28/09, 10:01 AM
KCFleming said...: Of course it's the liberal's fault, Cook. Same thing has happened in England, for the very same reason.

But elide and elude, as the left is wont to do when consequences need be borne.; 10/28/09, 10:09 AM
Hoosier Daddy said...: (And I love how you try to claim this is the liberals' fault!)

You're right. Liberal doctrine in criminal law enforcement and punishment have done such good over the years that only the most moronic would think otherwise.

I mean I think its absolutely wonderful that we have sanctuary cities that illegals can live in without fear and, and, should they be caught committing a crime, real progressive cities like SF won't turn them over to the Feds to be deported!

I mean doesn't that just send a tingle up your leg?; 10/28/09, 10:13 AM
Unknown said...: MrBuddwing said...

Kitty Genovese was a lesbian. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But it is reassuring to know that certain issues transcend sexual orientation.

As they say in the Armed Forces, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot????; 10/28/09, 10:16 AM
careen said...: Doesn't surprise me. You have to actively cultivate the moral 'good' in people for it to 'kick in' in emergency situations. There used to be a host of institutions that are diminished. There is a PC veneer, but that's icing on the cake, a fussy 16th C dance at a French court. It's not going to stand up to something root level like this.

At one point this would have shocked me, but no longer. Now I'm surprised and grateful when I see the opposite.

Oddly, it was years of reading online conversations that set me straight. When you become privy to what used to be essentially private thoughts, it's hard to be shocked. Many many people are deeply barbaric and proud of it.; 10/28/09, 10:17 AM
Robert Cook said...: "I mean doesn't that just send a tingle up your leg?"

I do enjoy good fiction.; 10/28/09, 10:23 AM
chuck b. said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 10/28/09, 10:24 AM
Hoosier Daddy said...: I do enjoy good fiction.

It usually is to those who don't get outside their protective bubble very much.; 10/28/09, 10:30 AM
Automatic_Wing said...: And so you show you are as bestial as the young men who committed this crime.

So, writing a blog comment that you disagree with is just as bad as gang-raping a girl for 2 hours?

That could be the dumbest comment you've ever posted here, which is saying something.; 10/28/09, 10:36 AM
Roux said...: Where were the chaperons?; 10/28/09, 10:42 AM
Phil 314 said...: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
John 3:19; 10/28/09, 10:43 AM
Robert Cook said...: No; harboring the desire that a whole city or section of a city be walled off and wishing the residents therein kill each other off shows he has no better impulses than young men who would commit a gang rape. The young men acted on their impulses, and so are criminals; Dust Bunny Queen merely harbors equally savage impulses and has not acted on them and so is not a criminal. This aside, there is no difference in their characters.; 10/28/09, 10:44 AM
former law student said...: Richmond is dangerous and gang-ridden. Sensible people would be reluctant to intervene -- but that shouldn't prevent an anonymous tip, which the police eventually received.

First, an AP article on California crime last year:

The [FBI] report shows that Richmond topped the state with the highest per-capita homicide rate of cities with at least 100,000 people. Richmond had 47 homicides in 2007 — the most in this decade.

Second, while I know victim-blaming is the cardinal sin of feminism, by allowing herself to get drunk in an alley with thugs in the murder capital of California, the victim did not take sufficient care for her own safety:

[The girl left the dance shortly before 9:30] Police believe she was waiting for her father to pick her up outside the school at 1250 23rd St., in the northern flatlands of Richmond near Doctors Medical Center. Before he got there, however, a friend from school invited the girl to join a group of people hanging out and drinking, Gagan said.

The girl drank a large amount of alcohol before she was sexually assaulted by members of the group, police said.

Around 11 p.m., the dance let out. Marin Trujillo, a spokesman for the West Contra Costa Unified School District, said the four Richmond police officers and three school administrators who supervised the event had helped to clear the campus.

The attack, however, was happening in an out-of-the way alley just north of campus, police said. In the dark, no one saw a thing.

Any likely passerby was a likely participant, not a Good Samaritan.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/27/BAG11AAR56.DTL#ixzz0VFHeynJq; 10/28/09, 10:48 AM
prairie wind said...: I'll go with Trey and blame porn. I blame rap, too.

Sick, sick, sick.; 10/28/09, 10:57 AM
Dust Bunny Queen said...: And so you show you are as bestial as the young men who committed this crime.

Hardly. They have a choice. They had a choice. Act like human beings or not.

Their choice. If they desire to eliminate each other from the gene pool....so be it.

The people who live in that area also have a choices. That they choose to stand by and watch these animals and do nothing is also a telling choice.; 10/28/09, 11:01 AM
Hoosier Daddy said...: No; harboring the desire that a whole city or section of a city be walled off and wishing the residents therein kill each other off shows he has no better impulses than young men who would commit a gang rape.

No, it shows a desire that they keep it isolated among themselves if they can't live like civilized people. If the residents are so cowed that they can't make a simple 911 call then I wouldn't want them in my community anymore than the gang rapists.; 10/28/09, 11:06 AM
TMink said...: prarie, I can hang with as far as felon rap is concerned. All rap, nah, felon rap, sure!

Trey

wv = bluelemo - dyslexic, depressed little furry monster; 10/28/09, 11:20 AM
Bad Penny said...: I lived there for 13 years and worked 2 blocks from this school. I homeschooled my kids and later moved to a safer part of the bay area, but that safer part is being transformed too.

My daughter's best friend was gang-raped at a party after a high school football game. But it didn't make the paper because she didn't need hospitalization and her parents didn't go to the police because they didn't want to "ruin the boys' lives." That's when I stopped being a liberal.; 10/28/09, 12:20 PM
prairie wind said...: I suppose there is some decent rap out there somewhere. Not that I've heard any, but I don't listen to much current stuff. I just hear what my kids bring home from school...and then I look up the lyrics.; 10/28/09, 12:21 PM
Robert Cook said...: "That's when I stopped being a liberal."

Then you weren't really a liberal, and I don't see what one thing has to do with another. "Liberals" want safe streets as much as anyone, and we also want criminals punished. The fault here lies with the parents of the victim of the gang rape, for not reporting these boys to the police. I suspect their not doing so had as much or more to do with their wanting to protect the reputation of their daughter and themselves--or to keep her from dragged through a grueling public experience by publicly accusing--as with not wanting to ruin the boys' reputations. Or perhaps they were frightened.; 10/28/09, 12:44 PM
Hoosier Daddy said...: "Liberals" want safe streets as much as anyone, and we also want criminals punished.

LOL!

I'm sorry. I hear that a lot from liberals and then I recall what happens when law enforcement actually tries to, you know, enforce the law and we start hearing about police brutality, racism, racial profiling, military sound cannons.; 10/28/09, 1:02 PM
Dust Bunny Queen said...: "Liberals" want safe streets as much as anyone, and we also want criminals punished.

No you don't. You only want those things in 'theory'. When real solutions are proposed, like deporting criminal illegals or actually enforcing the laws, you all just stamp your tiny little feet and throw tantrums and let the lawlessness continue.

In fact you actually aid and abet the lawlessness through the stupidity of liberal policies of financially subsidizing the criminal class......just like in Richmond.; 10/28/09, 1:09 PM
Robert Cook said...: "I recall what happens when law enforcement actually tries to, you know, enforce the law and we start hearing about police brutality, racism, racial profiling, military sound cannons."

Brutalizing suspects, stopping persons for ad hoc questioning merely because they're not white, or bringing military weapons to bear on Americans exercising their right to protest has nothing to do with "enforcing the laws," and everything to do with violating our civil rights. Such behavior is the sharp end of the stick of the "government intrusion into our lives" that so-called conservatives are always wetting their pants about.; 10/28/09, 1:17 PM
Darcy said...: DBQ and Hoosier Daddy: Amen.; 10/28/09, 1:19 PM
Robert Cook said...: "When real solutions are proposed, like deporting criminal illegals or actually enforcing the laws, you all just stamp your tiny little feet and throw tantrums and let the lawlessness continue."

Specifics, please. Despite all the words in that sentence, it doesn't really say anything.; 10/28/09, 1:21 PM
Balfegor said...: Re: Cook:

Dust Bunny Queen merely harbors equally savage impulses and has not acted on them and so is not a criminal. This aside, there is no difference in their characters.

Even granting your preposterous equivalency between rape and fences, I dare say that the ability to control one's impulses is a rather significant difference in their characters. It is the difference between civilisation and savagery itself.; 10/28/09, 1:39 PM
Hoosier Daddy said...: Specifics, please. Despite all the words in that sentence, it doesn't really say anything.

You mean you support the deportation of illegals who have committed crimes (despite the obvious one of being here illegally)? Cause I keep hearing how doing that 'breaks up families' (which ignores the obvious that they can deport the rest of the family too).; 10/28/09, 1:43 PM
Hoosier Daddy said...: Brutalizing suspects, stopping persons for ad hoc questioning merely because they're not white, or bringing military weapons to bear on Americans exercising their right to protest has nothing to do with "enforcing the laws," and everything to do with violating our civil rights.

You know it’s funny because I have never once been brutalized, ad hoc questioned or had military weapons brought to bear on me by the po-lice. Probably because I live in a community where 15 year old girls are not gang raped while the rest of the ‘community’ stands around to watch, have gangland shootings on a daily basis or where cops just say fuck it and don’t even patrol cause it isn’t worth it. Also my idea of protesting doesn’t involve wearing a mask and flinging rocks and molotov cocktails through a Starbucks window. I guess I’m boring that way.; 10/28/09, 1:44 PM
knox said...: the ability to control one's impulses is a rather significant difference in their characters. It is the difference between civilisation and savagery itself.

Well said. But remember, RC is a guy who makes a sterile analysis of gang rape: It is horrifying indeed, but not necessarily surprising...

But can work up a real lather when it comes to a conservative. Their judgmentalism is the source of real evil in this world, and they are just as bad as the rapist.

And cops. Don't forget cops. They're bad, too.; 10/28/09, 2:09 PM
knox said...: Seriously. A masterpiece of Moral Relativism.; 10/28/09, 2:15 PM
Robert Cook said...: "...Even granting your preposterous equivalency between rape and fences...."

I'm not equating those two things; I'm equating rape and the desire for an entire population to kill each other to death, (sic).

One may act on one's brutal instincts or not; however, to hold and express a desire for an entire population to be exterminated reveals a character lacking in any moral authority to condemn the savage acts of others.

I deplore the acts of the rapists in this case, and they should be prosecuted and punished if convicted, but I have no desire to see the entire population of the area where this crime took place be killed. Does this mean I have a better character than Dust Bunny Queen?

Yes.; 10/28/09, 2:42 PM
Robert Cook said...: "Well said. But remember, RC is a guy who makes a sterile analysis of gang rape: It is horrifying indeed, but not necessarily surprising..."

Another commenter with poor reading comprehension; this site is rife with them. No wonder so many people here are so wrong about so many things.

What was "not necessarily surprising," albeit horrifying, was not the rape but the failure of any of the witnesses to act to stop the rape or report the crime.; 10/28/09, 2:45 PM
AllenS said...: When I read a story like this, I can imagine the people watching to be the Robert Cooks of the world, thinking about an excuse.; 10/28/09, 3:57 PM
Synova said...: By saying that one must have "moral authority" to condemn a savage act, Cook, you ARE doing exactly what people here have accused liberals of... enabling and promoting crime and victimization.

There is no prerequisite. None. There can not be. By setting yourself up as moral arbiter and demanding that others first have moral authority, you're placing *that* above the need to prevent crimes and change cultures.

Because the horror of this rape and of other violent and systemic crimes is not relative to the persons making those observations. They are objectively evil things and the most evil person in the world can condemn them and the nature of the crime itself remains constant.

Many things seem more important to you than providing safe neighborhoods. The moral authority of those condemning the violence is one. The supremacy of preventing and condemning police excess is another. MORE important than the fact this girl was raped is that no young man is roughed up or falsely accused... if the police can't enforce the law in a pristine way, then that poor girl is just f*cked. Isn't she.

Another way that "liberals" contribute to this lawless culture is the pure lie that girls should not be expected to curb their own behavior in the interest of their own safety. Well, that's just FINE in the wealthy neighborhoods of privilege, but even in those neighborhoods girls should always buddy up. But our culture condemns the precautions and condemns the old-fashioned idea that "good girls" behave in various circumspect ways... as if there was never an actual *reason* for those oppressive cultural rules but that men like to oppress women for the hell of it. And the young *men* are left just as much out there without guidelines because traditional *protective* male roles are denigrated as oppressive and overbearing and young men in the barrio have to get their macho on without a positive way to express it.

Failing to recognize the harm and evil in various feel-good, enlightened, progressive cultural meddling, does not mean that the harm and evil does not exist.; 10/28/09, 4:04 PM
Robert Cook said...: Thanks for the vote of confidence Allen, but I have called 911 when I heard disturbing shouts coming from an apartment in my building, not knowing whether it was merely an argument or something more serious taking place. By the sound of the distressed shouts, I had reason to believe something more serious than simply an argument could be taking place.

I never heard any more about the incident, and was never contacted by the police after the fact.; 10/28/09, 4:06 PM
Robert Cook said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 10/28/09, 4:06 PM
chuck b. said...: 70.61% of Richmond's registered voters are Democrats, more than any other city in the Bay Area (probably than in all of California...the whole country?)

Would it be revealing to compare the crime rate there to a 70% GOP town?; 10/28/09, 4:07 PM
AllenS said...: Sorry, pal, but I have no confidence in you.; 10/28/09, 4:07 PM
traditionalguy said...: When laws are not enforced, then there is misery among the people. When laws are enforced, yhen the people rejoice. That is true no matter what the liberals excuse of the day is for letting people break whatever laws they don't approve of.; 10/28/09, 4:17 PM
Robert Cook said...: "Sorry, pal, but I have no confidence in you."

Don't worry, my feelings aren't hurt.; 10/28/09, 4:41 PM
knox said...: I'm equating rape and the desire for...

Don't even have to finish the sentence. You have revealed that you believe in Thought Crime. The creators of Political Correctness would be proud.

You believe that people who don't believe or think "correctly" are to be despised, and are considered by you to be just as bad as violent criminals.; 10/28/09, 4:50 PM
Cedarford said...: Maguro said...
Will this make anyone rethink our moronic immigration policy of inviting Mexico's underclass to come here and settle? Probably not.

Fun fact: Richmond, CA is a "sanctuary city" for illegal aliens.

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It's like people moaning over the problem with Somali refugees and terrorism when the only reason the problem exists is soft-headed liberals imported the problem into America.

This is a "rape dialogue" we would never be having but for Mexico's success in dumping their unwanted and highly criminal underclass garbage into America.

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And not just liberals, but Open Borders Republicans (Bush, McCainwho see illegal immigration, over generous legal immigration of the unskilled, and H-1B visas for the skilled as great ways to depress workers wages and profit their wealthy donors bottom lines at the businesses they own.; 10/28/09, 4:58 PM
avwh said...: "70.61% of Richmond's registered voters are Democrats, more than any other city in the Bay Area (probably than in all of California...the whole country?)"

Interesting stat. I compared Richmond to Berkeley (66%), Oakland (68.8%) and SF (56.7%) at the same site (my best guesses as to NorCal cities that might be even higher) - but Richmond prevails.; 10/28/09, 5:12 PM
Robert Cook said...: "Don't even have to finish the sentence. You have revealed that you believe in Thought Crime. The creators of Political Correctness would be proud."

Well, of course you finished the sentence. There's no need to play coy.

Again you reveal your poor grasp of basic reality. That I think someone's thoughts may be deplorable does not mean I think he or she should be punished for those thoughts, as long as they remain thoughts. I haven't called for Dust Bunny Queen to be tarred and feathered, or tased.

However, I happily scorn the assumed moral superiority of someone who has expressed a desire to see a whole population exterminate itself, a population comprised of law-abiding citizens as well as law-breakers...as with any population anywhere on earth.

We are all capable of feeling anger or hostility toward others, even to wishing them ill, but healthy people recognize such thoughts as part of our human failings, and we feel chastened or even ashamed of such feelings, or at least we're conscious they don't reflect the better part of our nature. We do not boast of such feelings eagerly. A person who relishes such thoughts of violence against others fails Christ's "mote in the eye" test.; 10/28/09, 5:43 PM
Dust Bunny Queen said...: c-4 said: And not just liberals, but Open Borders Republicans (Bush, McCainwho see illegal immigration, over generous legal immigration of the unskilled, and H-1B visas for the skilled as great ways to depress workers wages and profit their wealthy donors bottom lines at the businesses they own.

Agreed 100%. This was one of the main reasons conservatives were disgusted with Bush, along with excessive spending, and why we could barely hold our noses to vote against Obama and punch the card next to McCain's name.

I'm equating rape and the desire for an entire population to kill each other to death, (sic).

I have no idea what the (sic) is all about in your sentence. The desire is, as Hoosier stated, that this criminal element that pervades this geographic area, be isolated from the rest of society. If they proceed to kill each other...oh well. Since liberals refuse to deal with the problem and actually encourage it, I suggest that the 'people' there deal with it themselves and take responsibility for their own safety.

As I said. You couldn't pay me to go anywhere near that area.

Nice that you can equate an actual crime where a young woman was brutalized for hours and a thought that you don't agree with as being the same thing. Shows just exactly why the cities, morality and society is crumbling into evil and anarchy under the oh so benevolent watchful eye of liberalism.; 10/28/09, 5:50 PM
Dust Bunny Queen said...: , a population comprised of law-abiding citizens as well as law-breakers...as with any population anywhere on earth.

The law abiding citizens can move away and leave the criminals in their own garbage ....or better yet.....uphold the laws themselves since you don't want the police to do it.

People have choices. To choose to turn a blind eye to evil and not to act is also a choice.; 10/28/09, 5:53 PM
Synova said...: "We do not boast of such feelings eagerly. A person who relishes such thoughts of violence against others fails Christ's "mote in the eye" test."

And you lecturing other people about morality doesn't?

And in any case, lest I intrude on your moral superiority, relishing the thought of evil getting it's comeuppance is not, and never will be, equivalent to raping a girl or knowing of the event in progress and choosing not to risk personal injury to stop it.; 10/28/09, 6:10 PM
Synova said...: Actually the "mote in the eye" and the "beam in your own" test is one of those conundrums that condemns every last lecturing moralist by default.

See to your own beam, Cook.; 10/28/09, 6:12 PM
Cedarford said...: DBQ - People have choices. To choose to turn a blind eye to evil and not to act is also a choice.

Part of it is people that want to act - but honestly recognize their is just so much capacity to personally react to, or even have genuine (vs. rhetorical) feelings of compassion for black thugs killing thugs, bystanders killed by black thugs in "no snitch" neighborhoods they run free in, and a 15-year old spawn of illegals raped by other illegals when the whole drama should have never had any of the parties or their parents admitted to the US anyways...

Does anyone really give enough of a darn about the "Noble Darfurans" to personally write a check to them or risk their life.

No, but people are supposed to deeply "care" about the troubled Congolese, the Noble Darfurans, the Bush-Neocon announced "democracy-loving freedom fighters" of Iraq now still blowing one another up...and the premise we need to suffer another Vietnam to "free women of their Burquas, send them to school, and bring democracy and modernity to Afghanistan.........

Yet we are supposed to posture, despite our compassion fatigue....and pretend outrage that Duwon shot Rasheed because Rasheed's cousin Mustafa diddled Duwon's neice Laquishia, disrespecting Duwan and Duwon was high on two dime bags.

We are supposed to stand up and say we need to be in 10-12 wars right now - hopefully burning up other American's money and lives not their own....to save "noble grateful people like the Iraqis and Afghanistanis 8 years ago and still counting???

Enough!; 10/28/09, 6:41 PM
Robert Cook said...: "I have no idea what the (sic) is all about in your sentence."

(sic) means that the indicated word or passage is to be seen as intended...it is not a mistake. Typically, it is used when quoting someone else where an error in spelling or syntax has been made, and is intended to show the quote is presented as is...the mistake is in the original quote.

I was poking a little fun at myself, by saying "killing each other to death. (sic)" I was conveying my awareness that the passage was, if not actually incorrect--which it may be, I don't know--certainly a redundancy.; 10/28/09, 7:16 PM
Robert Cook said...: "Nice that you can equate an actual crime where a young woman was brutalized for hours and a thought that you don't agree with as being the same thing"

Which of course you know I didn't do. I was equating your contempt for other human beings with that of the rapists.

"...relishing the thought of evil getting it's comeuppance...."

Which of course is not what Dust Bunny Queen said. She(?) said, "Richmond California is a sewer full of human garbage...(it) is now nothing but public works projects with Section 8 housing, rampant with gangs, illegal aliens, crime, overworked inadequate police and crumbling infrastructure...The best thing that could happen would be to put a big fence around the area and let them all kill each other."

Later, she said, "The law abiding citizens can move away and leave the criminals in their own garbage."

Most people who live in these blighted areas have few or no choices and are typically trapped there by economic circumstances. They are more victimized by the predators in their midst than the middle-class residents who live elsewhere in the same cities. Even many young gang members feel they have no choice but to join a gang for their own protection. Either they will be victimized by "enemy" gangs or by the gangs whom they refuse to join. How can she presume to know who these people are or what conditions hobble their lives? Her comment betrays wholesale, undiscriminating contempt for all the residents there.; 10/28/09, 7:37 PM
Synova said...: "How can she presume to know who these people are or what conditions hobble their lives?"

How can you?

And what have you done about it other than encouraging the policies that produce the situation, excusing the human beings who have been taught to accept the situation, and sitting on your backside in a comfy chair?

If nothing else, DBQ actually gives them more credit for being moral human beings than you do because she doesn't *excuse* them from being moral human beings.; 10/28/09, 8:07 PM
Synova said...: Oh, and I forgot a big one... vilifying the police who put their lives on the line to try to stop people from victimizing the law abiding.

Because I'm sure that helps them in West Richmond a whole heck of a lot.; 10/28/09, 8:10 PM
Gary Rosen said...: Note that nowhere does C-fudd express any actual outrage about the act. Not surprising - the perps aren't much different from his hero Roman Polanski.; 10/29/09, 4:12 AM
Robert Cook said...: "...DBQ actually gives them more credit for being moral human beings than you do because she doesn't *excuse* them from being moral human beings."

Hahahahahaha!

You're right! She gives them credit for being moral human beings by assuming they're all immoral, and she wishes upon them therefore collective self-extermination.

I've been so wrong.; 10/29/09, 5:41 AM
Dust Bunny Queen said...: Most people who live in these blighted areas have few or no choices and are typically trapped there by economic circumstances

Bull. Everyone has choices. Economic circumstances may be hard, but NO one is trapped like a fly on flypaper. If times are hard or things are terrible where you are.....move.

'Supposedly' we are now in the middle of the latest Great Depression. I suggest the people who want a better life than to be surrounded by gang bangers, criminals and other scum, do a "Grapes of Wrath" and move. After all, this is how the illegals who are causing much of this horror got there. The illegals 'moved' right in on formerly nice towns that were built up by other people who moved from the Dust Bowl and other places.

The other choice of the law abiding citizens is to go ahead and enforce the laws themselves. Since you have put handcuffs on the police this may be their only choice if they want to live like human beings.

The choice that the law abiding citizenry seem to have taken...so far...is to close their eyes and wish it all away. How's that working for Richmond?

vw: antax

Taxing the industrious ant to death while the indolent grasshoppers rape and pillage in Richmond.; 10/29/09, 9:01 AM
Robert Cook said...: And so it all comes full circle.

Stay classy, DBQ!; 10/29/09, 9:13 AM
Dust Bunny Queen said...: Stay classy, DBQ!

This is the difference between you and me.

I think that people have moral choices to make and that they must make them. People are responsible for their OWN lives and responsible for the consequences of their actions and the choices they make or don't make.

You on the other hand want to excuse the people as being unable or inadequate. They are all victims in your eyes and therefore not responsible for anything. Victims of the police as well, according to you. Because you view the people as helpless, subordinates to the State, you excuse them and enable them......and cripple them.

And now I'm off to a Tea Party today.

Ta ta.; 10/29/09, 9:33 AM
prairie wind said...: "Bull. Everyone has choices. Economic circumstances may be hard, but NO one is trapped like a fly on flypaper. If times are hard or things are terrible where you are.....move. "

The 15-year-old girl who was raped IS trapped like a fly on flypaper. She doesn't get to decide to move to a better neighborhood.

WV: vicarryo - not living in the bario but feeling as if you do.; 10/29/09, 9:49 AM
Dust Bunny Queen said...: The 15-year-old girl who was raped IS trapped like a fly on flypaper. She doesn't get to decide to move to a better neighborhood.

Perhaps not regarding moving, HOWEVER

She also has choices. She could have chosen to not go drinking that night with the people who ultimately raped her.

She could have chosen to stay with a group of girls instead of going off on her own.

She could have made a multitude of choices that would not have led to being gang raped.

I feel horrible for the poor girl, but I'm not going to completely excuse her from the results of her own actions.

There were many other girls who DIDN'T get raped that night because they made different choices.

She could choose to go to school and study to get job skills that would allow her to get out of her crime ridden neighborhood instead of hanging with gang bangers and drinking in back alleys.

Everyone has choices. Sometimes we make bad ones. Live with it.; 10/29/09, 10:07 AM
Robert Cook said...: It's a miracle...the milk of human kindness seeping from a stone!

Of course, the milk is curdled, and the seepage is meager, but one shouldn't ask too much of miracles.; 10/29/09, 10:20 AM
prairie wind said...: Absolutely, DBQ. Can't argue with that. I just wish you hadn't started out with a fence around the whole neighborhood and letting them all kill each other.; 10/29/09, 10:47 AM
knox said...: Which of course you know I didn't do. I was equating your contempt for other human beings with that of the rapists.

You can't equate the two. It's a ridiculous statement on its face and you're clearly trying to backtrack.

Imagine someone saying: "Your hatred of human beings is just as bad as Hitler's!!"; 10/29/09, 11:53 AM
Simon Kenton said...: ""The best thing that could happen would be to put a big fence around the area and let them all kill each other."

And so you show you are as bestial as the young men who committed this crime. (And I love how you try to claim this is the liberals' fault!)"

-- DBQ and RC

In a manner of speaking, we did this. We were renovating a big Section 8 apartment building and had to relocate tenants while their apartments were refreshed and the infestations fumigated. We put many of our worst in a neighboring apartment complex where I had rented a block of units. In one dramatic night, 1 got pistol-whipped, 1 got beaten chivalrously, 1 got regularly beaten, 2 got laid, 1 got busted for crack (but it wasn't hers, of course, just mysteriously appeared on her bed), and 1 imported an armed gang of his homeys in a futile effort to gratify himself with revenge.

Based on that night I evicted 3 and completed a pending eviction on 1. During the meetings which HUD requires if they request, one of the tenants said accusingly, "You just put us all over there because you thought we'd get into trouble." I did not smile, but contemplated her for a while in silence. Their complete social breakdown was my fault for housing them near their friends.

"About the crack found on your bed after a lawful search...."

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"When laws are not enforced, then there is misery among the people. When laws are enforced, yhen the people rejoice."

-- Traditional Guy

It was true. It is true. When I realised what was going on in that building, I decided I wasn't going to have this shit. As I cast out the scrotes and the major disease vectors one by one, the tenants who really needed that housing and respected it came to me with thanks.; 10/29/09, 10:57 PM
Robert Cook said...: Well, no, you didn't at all do what DBQ advocates; you singled out the predatory and disruptive elements and removed them, leaving the larger population of law abiding residents safer and grateful.; 10/30/09, 7:58 AM