Notes, eh?
America responsible for evils of world.ADDED: Actually, Obama said "I'm grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old." That rhetoric sounded familiar. Remember this?
Ortega angry.
I'm bored.
Communism... good for Cuba? Wd b much more successful if not for U.S. evil.
Racism
expansionist policy of U.S.
Look serious. Pretend these are real notes. Listen thoughtfully.
Sandinistas... Contras... check info
Look thoughtful
He can't blame me. I was 3.
When is this idiot going to shut up?
Boooorrrrringggg
IN THE COMMENTS: Maguro said:
Not sure why he needed to take notes since he listened to the same sermon at Trinity Church for 20 years. You'd think he'd have it memorized by now.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 296 of 296Ahhh...but jeremy, I've said this before and I'll repeat it again:
Before you ask us to support your (democratic) President, show us how you supported our (Republican) President, always you come up short.
However, if the polls support President Obama throwing jews into ovens, you and AL will be the first ones to help the process along.
To jeremy and AL, Dissent is NOT patriotic. Has he ever proven otherwise since 1/20/09?
Why "belittle" anybody??
We've had eight years of that kind of diplomacy and look where it's gotten us.
JSF - If you choose to not support Omama, that's your prerogative.
I supported George W. Bush until he made so many bone-headed moves it became difficult to do so.
You act as if Bush was President for 90-100 days. He ran the show for eight years and he had a Republican majority in Congress for six of those years.
You appear to be having some kind of memory lapse.
Maybe the actions he took and the mistakes he made, time and time again, have something to do with the man leaving office with a 28% approval rating.
Ya think????
JSF - "However, if the polls support President Obama throwing jews into ovens..."
I hope you're not Jewish because that was really crass.
Fuck off.
1. You must stroke America's ego in public at all times. 2. You must stroke America's ego even when doing so in no way advances any strategic goal of the United States, and may, in fact, be detrimental to those goals.........................
Well - Who's fault is it that when an American ship is held up for ransom the whole world knows? as opposed to the dozens of other countries that get theirs held up?
The one question I have to ask, quietly, in this very noisy room: Someone upthread said Obama should have done what Reagan would do, namely leave the room.
I don't recall Reagan ever doing that, but perhaps someone can give my old memory a boost.
Wow, JS. How much more can I read, when even in your opening statement you miss so much?
"You saw it as "belittling?" Based on what? The 50-minute comment, maybe, was a tiny zinger. But the following comment was not belittling:
'I'm grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old. Too often, an opportunity to build a fresh partnership of the Americas has been undermined by stale debates. We've all heard these arguments before.'""I'm grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old."
Ortega (and his statements) are obsolete.
"Too often, an opportunity to build a fresh partnership of the Americas has been undermined by stale debates."
I won't touch this one, as I can see we're on different wavelengths. Hey Man, if your moral outrage gets in the way of understanding strategic relationships, so be it.
"We've all heard these arguments before."
See above. Translation: They're stale.
"But I do think you reach a point where doing nothing to counter anti-Americanism erodes our legitimacy."
Given America's now-proven ability to actually elect a rational person, I don't think we've reached that point.
"P.S. It's funny you cite Nixon as the example of an out-of-control jingoism. I don't think there has been a president in my lifetime who had a more subtle appreciation of the difference between what foreign leaders have to say for public consumption and what they say and do behind the scenes."
Which explains his paranoid and over-sized obsession with media and academia in what sense exactly - other than for his unethical and misdirected application of that keen sense of appreciation of his?
BTW, I don't see much difference between the effect of Obama's quote here and what you've proposed he should have said. I'm not sure what to make of that, but I can still hardly see why anyone else would find Obama's phrasing so damaging.
It makes you look small.........................
Because if you as a Latin American leader are asking the US to start treating you as an equal then you should do the same..............................
Ortega behaved "small" to use your words and Obama should have called him on it.
If this were Obama's final word, yes he's a wimp.
But he's got time. He has plenty of time to make a counter-point.
Lem - "Ortega behaved "small" to use your words and Obama should have called him on it."
Wrong time.
Wrong place.
Has Obama done ANYTHING right, Lem?
Is the reason he carries such a high approval rating among Americans because he just doesn't do anything right?
"John Stodder, for someone who seems so intelligent, I can never understand why you entertain such ridiculous ideas as these:"
Montana Urban Legend, perhaps if you were capable of "seeming so intelligent", you would be able to understand rather than missing the point and/or misrepresenting the point, depending on the point in question.
Nothing is ever Obama's fault. It is not his fault what the US did when he was 3 yrs old. It is not his fault what the Weathermen and Bill Ayers did when he was 10. It is not his fault what Rev whatshisname said. Heck, it is not even his fault what the US did over the past 8 years, despite his being a Senator for part of that time.
Maybe this is a good thing and good idea. For years I was told that I was to blame for so much because I am a white American male. No one should ever to judged guilty simply on the basis of gender, religion, race, ethnic background, etc. Let's stop this stuff about reparations.
I don't expect Obama to fight with his friends. Not on my behalf anyway.
Beaver7216 said..."Nothing is ever Obama's fault."
Oh, give it a break...especially HERE...where EVERYTHING is Obama's fault.
Provide evidnce of Obama ever not accepting the blame for something that's happened over his first 90 days.
Pure right wing drivel with no supporting evidence.
Hey, Trooper. I'll fight with you, but only about something important, like how wonderful the Sox will be this season.
After all, what are friends for?
Trooper York said..."I don't expect Obama to fight with his friends. Not on my behalf anyway."
Kind of like Bush and the Saudi family?
Bullshit.
"No CEO of a major company, inheriting such an economic mess, would be put under such a microscope after such a short period of time."
No CEO of a major company would be allowed to take such steps, nor would he be anything but laughed at were he to try. Imagine going to a bank and saying, "Sure, we have five times the debt of our annual income, but with my plan we can double that in just 4 short years. Can I borrow 5 Trillion dollars now?"
"Where where YOU when Bush ran the debt and deficit up? Only decided it was a problem after he left office?"
This the biggest crock of shit, and I'm tired of hearing it. The Right has complained about Bush's deficit spending and runaway domestic spending since he took office. Rush Limbaugh blasted Bush for it time and time again. The Right blogosphere has time and time again blasted Bush/the GOP Congress for runaway spending. Back in 2004 I posted that the government had gone insane and that the whole economy was going to collapse under or collective debt burden. Porkbusters? Ever heard of that?
Where were you? You were busy calling us Bushites and other things simply because we disagreed with you over Bush's foreign policy.
And here's the clincher. The main reason we stayed with Bush and the GOP despite our frustration is we knew the Dems would be much much worse. Take a look at how the deficit has gone since the Dems took over Congress. Take a look at the insanity Obama is planning.
You have no stature to lecture the Right about small government. The GOP has been a pig at the feeding trough, no doubt about it. But the Dems are utterly out of their minds. So just shut up. If you really cared, you'd be downtown protesting with us. But you don't care. This is just bullshit you plaster around to protect yourself from cognitive dissonance.
No exactly like Bush and the Saudi. Birds of a feather flock together.
Like Luckyoldson and Ortega and Roman Polanski and Woody Allen. Kid touchers one and all.
Hey Theo the Sox are lucky to come in fourth this year. They are nothing without Manny. Big Papi lost his mojo and your pitching staff is in the dumper. Dice K is rolling snake eyes. Not that our rice eater is doing any better. The sooner we dump him the better.
Montana, you are the master of the non sequiter.
We were talking about foreign policy, I thought. In that arena, Nixon was anything but paranoid. How he reacted to the media and academia isn't relevant to the discussion.
And you seem to think I'm "outraged" by Obama's response to Ortega or that I termed it "damaging." You're confused. My response was a bit more subtle. The cue for me was the first part of Obama's statement, "I'm grateful that President Ortega did not blame me..." It's the "me" where I think he went off on the wrong foot. He's not there because he's Barack Obama. He's there because he's president of the United States. And, as president, I think he needs to keep reminding people, especially in a forum like this one, of all the good things the US and its citizens have done for people in Latin America. He wouldn't have had to continue a "stale argument" to make such a point.
What I do think is "damaging" are the apologies. Imperfect as we are, the US is still the "last best hope of mankind." Apologizing to the world when no other nation is expected to -- not Libya, not Iran, not Russia, not Saudi Arabia, etc. -- portrays this country falsely as a source of more evil than good.
We are going to find out next weekend where the Sox and the Yankess stand.
There is going to be a summit at Fenway.
Trooper - How do you know so much about fondling children?
Is that why you use the John Wayne thing...make yourself more manly and less of a pervert?
"Same thing I said to The Chipper.
I think if you and others here really believe President Obama is taking us down the wrong road, instead of bitching and whining about everything he says or does, you should get your asses out of the country."
It must be annoying to live in a country where the opposition is free to object to what they see as wrongheaded policies as noisily and obnoxiously as they like. Well, I'm sure you saw the benefits of this over the past eight years, but now? Just a college sophomore repackaging of the "love it or leave it" bullshit - except now you're demanding unquestioning loyalty to Obama instead of to the United States. I guess it's the kind of thing one should expect from one of the resident Chavez-Castro-Ortega apologists.
Has Obama done ANYTHING right, Lem?................................
He's left handed - so NO he hasn't done ANYTHING right.
For AL and Jeremy, things that polled well in their time:
1. Slavery (until the 1860's, but not in some Upper saharan countries today);
2. Blocking Women's sufferage;
3. Eugentics (till WWII);
4. Anti-semitism (still friendly on the Left and with Chavez hmmm...);
5. Copernican Theory (until galileo but the establishement [as represented by AL and Jeremy] burned him at the stake;
6. Isolationism
All of these were polled at their time to be popular -- using Jeremy's and Al's logic, if it popular, it is fine to follow.
And Jeremy, I am Jewish. I lost family to the German National Socialists. Because of people like you who want us all to walk in Lockstep,
so Fuck you.
Trooper - Do you and Theo share?
JSF - "And Jeremy, I am Jewish."
Which makes your comment that much more disgusting.
Fuck off.
Jeremy,
The man who wants us all to walk in Lockstep because if Obama says it, it must be right.
Jeremy and AL are: Sonderkommandos
They will sell the rest of us out for their G-d Obama.
"Given America's now-proven ability to actually elect a rational person, I don't think we've reached that point. "
Actually, we've proven that we can elect rational people, long before now. Or perhaps you forgot Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan.
You seem to think Barrack represents a pinnacle of some sort. Hopefully, he will turn out to be just that. So far, he's shown nothing but a propensity for Carterism, which was an unmitigated disaster.
Diamondhead said..."It must be annoying to live in a country where the opposition is free to object to what they see as wrongheaded policies as noisily and obnoxiously as they like."
As I said before (reading comprehension?).
Bitch all you want, but it's ridiculous to whine after 90 days.
George W. Bush and his administration left Obama holding the economic bag and many here think things should be turned around in a few months.
What's really ironic is that 99% of those here will get a tax break from Obama.
It's also hard not to believe much of the bile from the regulars here isn't based in some racism.
I don't remember hearing all of this fiscal conservatism while Bush ran up the debt and deficit.
"Kind of like Bush and the Saudi family?"
You mean the one that Obama bowed before?
SEIG JEREMY!
SEIG JEREMY!
SEIG JEREMY
Jeremy is here to crush dissent!
I'm always amazed by people who complain about US arrogance, and yet seem to view the world as nothing more than a petri dish which only reacts to whatever the US does.
These dictators who make strident anti-US speeches aren't doing it because they're so aggrieved by American actions. They're doing it to stir up fervor in their countries, often as a pressure valve to redirect unhappiness among their ow people.
You don't really think the tyrants of the Arab world sincerely give a crap about the Palestinians, do you?
To the extent Obama accepts (or seems to) their rants, he helps them with their task.
As for the idea that "this is diplomacy, we need all the friends we can get", do you believe that these people are going to be our friends?
EnigmatiCore said..."Actually, we've proven that we can elect rational people, long before now. Or perhaps you forgot Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan."
Now we've REALLY reached a new level of irony.
To support bitching and whining about Obama...YOU'RE actually throwing Clinton into the mix as "rational"...alongside the Republican God of all Gods???
Now THAT is funny.
Not to be picky but galileo wasn't burned at the stake, he was put under house arrest.
Krupke - "As for the idea that "this is diplomacy, we need all the friends we can get", do you believe that these people are going to be our friends?"
Well, if given a chance, sure...why not? And they don't necessarily have to be "friends," just cordial neighbors who have silly things like...oil and other materials the world economy is dependent upon.
Why would yu think it's not a possibility?
Oh, I forgot...because Obama is part of it.
Sorry.
Nope. ("Thread over?")
Just got to it.
What should BHO have done?
He is also not supposed to let some piss pot dictators insult his country.I'm with Michael Hasenstab at 8:02
Obama did not object to Ortega's comments because he doesn't disagree with them. He views America pre 01/20/2009 as an evil place, just as Ortega does.
Bingo.
It has ALWAYS been about how the US (us!) isn't good enough. And we had to get back to what we were (when?) or what we should be.
Saul Alinksy thought the US sucked. Frank Marshall Davis thought the US sucked. Jeremiah Wright thinks the US sucks. Bill Ayers thinks the US sucks.
Why is anyone surprised?
I wonder whose payroll Jeremykal is on?
JSF - What is this thing you have with Nazis?
Being a Jew I would think it would be the last thing you would want to constantly include in your comments.
I find it very strange, even considering the crazos who refer to Obama as a Marxist or Socialist.
Where does the Nazi thing come into play?
JAL - Mine.
I own two companies.
Sorry.
Jeremy,
Sorry for making myself unclear, apparently.
I was referring to the fact that Obama never takes the blames himself for anything that the US has ever done. He has no sense of shared guilt, as an American, for things that America has done prior to 1/20/09. This is especially disturbing since he was a senator and basically the Congress should be running everything. All the President does unilaterally, is receive diplomates and be commander in chief-everything else he does with consent of Congress. There is extensive evidence of this in his speeches, like his comment about "not blaming me for something when I was 3".
Therefore, none of us are responsible for anything as Americans, as, males, as whites, as whatever, unless, we were Presidents ourselves, apparently.
You seem a little hostile.
Ben (The Tiger) : "But he's got time. He has plenty of time to make a counter-point."
He had 50 minutes to come up with a counter-point. This is the same as Bush sitting reading stories to children while the World Trade Center was being attacked. Hillary was right. Obama can't handle a crisis and can't do anything unless his handlers tell him what to say.
Mr. Barely has just become a buck passing douche bag. Stand up for something you pussy.
John Althouse Cohen said...
This has the tag "Obama stumbles." So what should he have done?How about summary refutation of Ortega's Marxist nonsense for starters? Unless of course your little chosen black jesus agrees with him. In secret anyway. I wonder what his European apology tour was for?
Why would yu think it's not a possibility?
Oh, I forgot...because Obama is part of it..
Actually no, it's because Ortega and Chavez are part of it.
I have zero confidence in either of them as acting in good faith.
the Sox are lucky to come in fourth this year. They are nothing without Manny. .
Did the Boston media ever happen to mention that Manny hit nearly .400 our here in LA after he left the Sox?
Letting uptight guys like Curt Schilling and Jon Papelbon decide who should be on the Red Sox roster isn't working out so well. The Dodgers are finding him to be not only a great player but a great teammate.
But I digress from my outrage.
Jeremy,
When you expect the rest of us to walk in Lockstep, I think of the Nazi's.
When you say "Don't criticize Our leader because he only has been in office XXX number of days," that is lockstep.
When you attack personally rather then issues people bring up, that is trying to silence dissent.
I talk of how in American politics, support goes both ways. I've even asked you for examples (yet you never show proof).
You don't want Nazi imagry every time you show, be civil and show how you supported people whose beliefs that do not align with yours.
Everything else leads to Empire.
Beaver - "I was referring to the fact that Obama never takes the blames himself for anything that the US has ever done."
What has he done that would require such an admission?
And I really don't even understand the point...and when he refers to something happening when he was 3...you consider that to be wrong?
And here is an example of the Left:
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_04_12-2009_04_18.shtml#1240107288
That is the way to Dissent now. You had 8 years to show us how to dissent with class.
It was not done.
JSF - What the fuck is this walking in lockstep silliness??
Obama was elected by Americans and carries a hefty approval rating.
Are you saying Americans are just supporting him because he's demanding they do so...and they're following orders?
What would possibly make someone even as dense as yourself believe this?
Let me guess: Glenn Beck perhaps?
"Same thing I said to The Chipper.
I think if you and others here really believe President Obama is taking us down the wrong road, instead of bitching and whining about everything he says or does, you should get your asses out of the country."
"As I said before (reading comprehension?).
Bitch all you want, but it's ridiculous to whine after 90 days."
Are you on drugs? Explain how the first quote above works with the second, and then get back to me about my reading comprehension, nitwit.
Jeremy,
When you were writing here under anopther name in 2006 - 2007, President Bush won.
Did you say that we all must support President Bush or not?
And buy the way, I don't watch Glenn beck, I just read what you write. And you do not tolerate any opinion that is different then yours.
If you did, please show me the link.
One thing that I love about this story is that it shows how wrong the MSM was over the past several years. We have been told that the US was a great shining light, loved by all nations, until the dumbass Bush ruined it. The truth is that there has been anti-americanism as long as there has been a US. We have committed a lot of illegal acts. Iraq was clearly not the first time the US went to war illegally and with a lie.
The book that Obama was given was written in 1971 and details wrongful action that the US and Europe had committed in Latin American over the previous 500 years.
But the Democrat party wants to blame just Republicans and Bush for everything.
Diamond - It relates to a comment from Chipper and another.
I'm not going back to explain things to you.
"Montana, you are the master of the non sequiter."
And you are certainly not the master of spelling.
"We were talking about foreign policy, I thought."
Were we? Two rounds in an exchange, of which your last might have focused on Nixon's foreign policy. Nixon was heavy-handed in a lot of ways generally. My original comment referenced that, obviously.
"In that arena, Nixon was anything but paranoid. How he reacted to the media and academia isn't relevant to the discussion."
Again. See above. And not the way in which you originally missed how this point came about. I brought up Nixon, no? (Actually, I merely used his name in adjective form). Ask me for the context in which I did so, if you were confused by it. Plus, the whole thread is about communication. In a world that is more connected by communications media than ever before, the context of Nixon's various, separate dealings as president blurs much more than you would like to admit, certainly moreso than someone trying to made a point about Nixon in 1973 (as opposed to a point about Obama in 2009) would like. It's a big part of the reason why people assume it's so much easier to overthrow tyrants in the first place these days: The internet empowering democracy and human rights and all that jazz.
"And you seem to think I'm "outraged" by Obama's response to Ortega or that I termed it "damaging." You're confused. My response was a bit more subtle."
Many words you devoted to your subtlety. But we are not politicians. May we not be more direct?
"The cue for me was the first part of Obama's statement, "I'm grateful that President Ortega did not blame me..." It's the "me" where I think he went off on the wrong foot."
Yes. I got that. You think he's a narcissist. I just think he's someone who feels comfortable developing the idea that he can take a new and more productive approach to things.
"He's not there because he's Barack Obama. He's there because he's president of the United States."
And this Barack Obama person of whom you speak was elected president of the United States largely because of the above. Pay attention to election dynamics. The world - and, one assumes, Ortega, did.
"And, as president, I think he needs to keep reminding people, especially in a forum like this one, of all the good things the US and its citizens have done for people in Latin America."
Fine. But this is where we might part ways a bit. I too think it's a good thing to do this. I don't think it's a good thing to do this obsessively, or defensively. Or reflexively. Or in any otherwise masturbatory way that egomaniacal jingoism or other self-glorifying pabulum is given to. Which is what I feel inordinately motivates the audience here.
"He wouldn't have had to continue a "stale argument" to make such a point."
Here I'm willing to entertain what you have to say - as would, I suspect, Obama.
"What I do think is "damaging" are the apologies."
And that's funny, because I didn't see a single one quoted - by you or anyone else.
"Imperfect as we are, the US is still the "last best hope of mankind." Apologizing to the world when no other nation is expected to -- not Libya, not Iran, not Russia, not Saudi Arabia, etc. -- portrays this country falsely as a source of more evil than good."
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. See above. You're the one trying to make the point. Provide the evidence. Sorry if you have and I missed it, but I'm referencing your first comment I responded to and your subsequent comment to me as the context for this discussion.
My, my, Jeremy loses arguments and resorts to the name calling and profanity. TSK TSK TSK.
Thanks, Jayne. I'm not sure if that was a mix-up or just hyperbole, but I didn't want to let that one stand. Galileo lived a long and comfortable life.
Peter V. Bella said..."My, my, Jeremy loses arguments..."
I have no idea what you're blathering on about.
What I happy about though, is that the Lakers covered and went over.
That be good.
Jeremy,
As stated, the Constitution provides that the Congress provides all of the legislative action at the federal level. All tax bills, for example, have to be initiated in the House. Thats why it is so wrong to talk about "Bush tax cuts for the rich". Congress passed them. That is why it is so wrong for Obama to make a speech to Congress on 2/25/09 in which he blasted the past 8 years and many in Congress cheered. Congress, and Obama, should have been doing their job over the past 8 years.
(Yes, Obama just for the last 2 yrs) And Congress better do its job now and watch over Obama and question him on everything. We don't have a omnipotent king in this country.
You are right, of course Obama is not responsible for what happened when he was 3. Those groups and people (such as Rev Wright with the "chickens come home to roost" comment)who like to assign collective guilt to others because of race, gender, sexual preference, political affiliation, etc, are wrong to do so.
However, as an Senator, he does share responsibility for the actions over the past 2 years and with all adults some small responsibility for the events of the past 25 years. He talks as if only the President is responsible for anything. That attitude should be corrected.
"I'm not going back to explain things to you."
You've already explained everything I or anyone else needs to know about you. You're an idiot and a jerkoff. I don't want to spoil your authoritarian wet dream, but the opposition isn't going anywhere, fuckwad.
Beaver - "We have been told that the US was a great shining light, loved by all nations, until the dumbass Bush ruined it."
And in most respects, we were.
Why wouldn't you know this?
Attend high school? Any history courses?
This is totally off-topic, but I just saw this on C-SPAN and found it hilarious that a fourteen-year old kid has taken to defining a political party's philosophy.
Such a wellspring of deep wisdom he must be drawing from and appealing to.
Montana,
I was referencing the apologies Obama issued in Europe. I was using shorthand when I referred to "the apologies." He did not apologize to Ortega or for the contras, Allende, Guatemala, etc. (A cynic would say, "give him time.")
As for Nixon -- I guess you meant Nixonian generically. I've been reading a bit lately about the Watergate and post-Watergate period and what jumps out is how compartmentalized Nixon was. As a politician he was "Nixonian" in the sense you meant it. But in his dealings with foreign leaders, he was the ultimate practitioner of realpolitik which, among other things, requires the removal of emotion from dealing with adversaries. So when you suggested that some (me?) might have preferred Obama to have a Nixonian response to Ortega's speech, my response was predicated on my perception of how out of character it would have been for Nixon to put himself in a position where such response, in the presence of other foreign leaders would have been possible. He would have arranged things so wouldn't have been in the room when Ortega gave his speech, because he knew that his right flank would have expected him to respond like a conservative, and he wouldn't have wanted to be pinned down that way.
As for the rest of what you wrote -- seems like we understand each other and our points of agreement and disagreement, so, 'nuff said.
Jeremy,
As you were writing that post, I was reading a NYTimes ad that compared Bush to Hitler. One of the signers was Howard Zinn who wrote an interesting book about the Lies that we were told in High School History Class. Every war that the US has been in had elements of lies. Mexican War? Caused by an altercation that may or may not have happened in what may or may not have been the US. (Lincoln strongly objected to the reasons) Civil War? For unity of country or to stop slavery-Lincoln told one reason to some and the other to others. Spanish American? What really happened to the USS Maine. WWI? Wilson got intercepted messages from Germany to Mexico trying to induce Mexico to attack the US so Wilson went pre-emptive. WWII? well, Japan did attack Pearl but FDR really wanted to go after Germany first. Vietnam? Gulf of Tonkin.
Is this thread almost dead yet?
The weight of all of your strawmen suffocated it.
"The weight of all of your strawmen suffocated it."
Ahhh... defining the success of one's endeavors through the lens of one's adversaries' actions, words and thoughts. A special-i-ty of today's (pseudo-)conservative culture. Keep on truckin', G-Love. Peace Out.
Jeremy and Alpha show up and turn threads disarray with their lies, denials, Un-American and unpatriotic rants. Then they get offended when none of us takes then seriously.
As true Americans and patriots, we owe it to ourselves and the country to laugh at them each and everytime they rise their heads from the landfill. There is an added benefit, as laughing is healthy.
Ah. I see the children woke up and they brought with them their usual switch-the-argument-to-that-which-I'm-more-practiced kits.
Yes, and there's the oxygen sucking machine set on high.
Oh, here, you've dropped your pamphlet titled "Forget logic, it's all about rhetoric" and here's another, "10 Things You Can Do to Exercise A.D.D."
Very well then, just for that, since the thread has gone to hell via the usual ass holes along utterly predicable nattering pisant lines and has been drained of coherent content, I shall show you instead the sourdough loaves I made today.You'll be interested to know, maybe not if you're too dull to appreciate such things, this is Denver culture that I cultivated myself from airborne organisms over a period of a few days and have kept alive going on a couple years. It's indescribably delicious, therefore, I will now describe it: Fermented for three days taking advantage of cold temperature on the patio, the yeast portion of the culture was arrested while the bacterial portion of the culture continued apace imparting its unique character into the sponge, the result of a complex combination of organisms struggling for expression. This creates a distinct tang without being overbearingly sour. So the term sourdough is not accurate. It is more appropriately termed naturally fermented bread. Its full-bodied, old-world flavor is sure to please the most discriminating tastes. Its sturdy open crumb and toothsome crust is what bread always was all through history before the advent of commercial rising methods using single-yeast leavener, so-called Wonder bread no more than fifty years hence. It is simply outstanding and I pity the foo who rejects artesian breads baked using traditional methods.
Anyway, here is a story about something I can give the Obama admin credit for.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/18/U.S.racism.conference/index.html
You gave going to the conference a shot but when you saw for yourselves it was a sham, you backed out. I'd be upset if you did go and lent our collective name to it but you didn't so kudos. I'm not going to ding you for trying and I am going to give you credit for figuring out what was happening.... Carter would have stayed in....
This guys here are the perfect proof of human stupidity. It is not just because they are American thinking and saying the typical bullshits about their country, it is much the same in other countries. But it is interesting to note that the same pattern shapes the right winger around the globe. Said that... I would like to clarify I am not a communist or some left wing zealot. I am from a different planet where all this stupidities have no sense indeed.
Hey Dave maybe you should use another photo. You look like Bob Sagert and that's just not a good look.
the perfect proof of human stupidity.Reading all the way through the comments to arrive at this?
Damn that italics spacing!!!
And did that fact bother you at all...during the chummy meeting between President Bush and Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah in Crawford, Texas...the one with hand-holding?So, how much did Obama bowing to the monarch bug you?
"And you are certainly not the master of spelling"
But truly you are the master of your own domain.
Not that there is anything wrong with that...
Obama Depressed, Distant Since 'Battlestar Galactica' Series Finale
Rush Limbaugh Returns
Rush Limbaugh is once again in the national media spotlight, this time for saying, among other things, that he hopes Obama and his economic program will fail. What other incendiary comments has Limbaugh made about the president?
"Now, I'm not saying that Barack Obama's a Muslim. But I do think he masterminded the 2004 Madrid terror attacks."
"America should be terrified of Barack Obama's skin color—whoops, I mean socialist agenda."
"The president's so-called energy plan is nothing more than a carefully crafted initiative that clearly reflects his thoughtfulness and high level of education."
"What is it with these black presidents, anyhow?"
"Rahm Emanuel had my keys stolen. I swear, they were right here this morning."
"Each night I pray that a released Gitmo inmate will kill thousands of Americans in a bloody massacre, just to teach Obama a lesson."
Rush
"If I saw Barack Obama's children walking down the street, I would hide behind a mailbox or a tree or something and then jump out and scare them."
"I wouldn't advocate overthrowing the government, but I would certainly not object if some of my dumber listeners picked up arms and stormed the Capitol."
"Let me make this absolutely clear: Obama! Taxes! Abortion! President! Hussein! Socialist!"
2008 Tax Records Reveal Sasha Obama Made $136 In Allowance Money
Treasury Department Issues Emergency Recall Of All US Dollars
Rep. John Boehner cites cows' flatulence to defend his sacred carbon emissions.
And people say the Republicans have run out of gas.
Peter : "Jeremy and Alpha show up and turn threads disarray with their lies, denials, Un-American and unpatriotic rants. Then they get offended when none of us takes then seriously."
I wouldn't throw Alpha in with Jeremy. Jeremy's just trying to hide our brilliant deconstruction of Obama. But Obama makes it so easy for us, Jeremy has turned into the Little Dutch Boy with his finger in the dike.
As far as I can see, all these postings by Jeremy are further proof that Obama is a failure. You should take Jeremy as seriously as you do Obama, which is not at all.
Yep,
Jeremy is on the bong again. Probably did some crack or meth too.
Actually Monana, here is the REAL job description of the presidency under an Obama adminstration:
President of the United States - Job Description:
1. You must blame America's arrogance for foreign policy and place blame on Bush in public at all times.
2. You must apologize to America's enemies and adversaries while not demanding anything from them whatsoever, while listening to tin pot dictators rant on for hours even when doing so in no way advances any strategic goal of the United States, and may, in fact, be detrimental to those goals.
3. Whatever you do don't offer principled defense of America to the world, as after all all foreign policy prior to Obama was dumb, silly and reactionary. And so we need to let those who are angered rant and rave while only offering apologies and agreement. Yes we suck!
4. To stupid to even respond to.
5. Make sure you cater to the need of Left Wingers and get that pound of american flesh and undermine foreign policy as best as you can by making America a eunuch in the world. Don't just let Chavez criticize the presidency. Include others in the denunciation of the US without so much as response, as otherwise your base will call you hateful names (cowboy, nazi, facist).
Is this thread almost dead yet?
A 50-minute diatribe on the evils of a hundred years of American terrorism and our president's reaction? "Well heck, Dan'l, you got a point there, but don't be dissing the O'man. Your beef is with all those blue-eyed white guys that came ahead of me. Things be different now. You'll like Obama's America, just see if you don't. Oh and hey, Hugs, thanks again for the book. I'm always in the market to learn more about America's exploitive past. Tell ya what, when I get home, I'll send you some of Jeremiah Wright's best anti-American rants on tape. Damn, but you two could be brothers."
People like Alpha Liberal I'm sure were incensed when Bush described other countries as being part of an Axis Of Evil, which I'm sure was regarded as provocative incendiary rhetoric and is belligerent and bellicose.
Foreign dictators apparently are allowed to spew venomous tracts for hours about the evils of the US, can get before the Un and say they smell sulfur and Alpha Liberal and his ilk not only support such language but say its smart politics to not respond.
Because after all, hasn't left rhetoric been all about cutting the US down to size since the sixties? Obama can sit in Wright's pew for 20 years and ignore such language because lefties are conditioned to either ignore said language or even condone it.
JAC: "This has become a really tired cliche. 'He thinks it was all about him.'" I wish it was a cliche. Then we would only have lazy critics to worry about. Please consider the immense danger involved short and long term if this is really what this man is about. It is too importanmt to brush of as cliche. So far the evidence is pretty worrysome.
Whatever, jr3859392884899993. Didn't you know that real opposition to Obama and the left has migrated underground, and has embraced something shadier than the standard anti-left boilerplate, accusations of national capitulation and the abdication of national pride?
Once you start going on about George Soros, the Federal Reserve and the Trilateral Commission, then I'll know you're a real member of the opposition, and not just a 1984-style number posing as a person. Get with the right conspiracy theory, for chrissakes!
Obama's notes:
I heart Michelle.
O + M
M + O
Mo' 'Bama!
So 'Bama!
Fee fie fO' Bama!
Ortega salsa!--call wh chef, want chkn tacos next time MMM!
TacO 'Bama!
Scuba in Cuba with a tuba from Aruba.
Ortega playin' Sega with a Degas in a Vega.
Omega
O(mega)Bama!
MEGA OBAMA!
IM N UR CONTININT, AGGRESSIN UR CONTRIES! -find good cat pic for this
omg talking forever, alalalalala done done done be done done done DONE!
Freeman! Genius!
Blogger Jeremy said...
JSF - "And Jeremy, I am Jewish."
Which makes your comment that much more disgusting.
Fuck off.
3:52 PM
Jeremy, given your rousing defense of the Jewish people, I have to ask the question:
"Are you black, Mingus?"
I mean, "Are you Jewish, Jeremy? What denomination?" because you are really hitting the wrong note.
You don't have to ask what religion I am. If you are really confused, Cedarford doubtless has me on file.
Notes Obama should have been taking:
Chavez - dead!
Ortega - dead!
Lula - dead!
Order Animal House on Netflix!
It's really weird how much Obama now sounds like Ayers and Wright...
Hey, Obama ended up doing something like one of my suggestion (trying to move forward on trade with Colombia). Good for him! But why, when he does something conservatives would be pleased with, like this or going after the pirates, does he always try to hide it?
"He can't blame me. I was 3."
For all of you who thought that Bush carried loyalty too far: this is the reaction, to elect a man with none?
This is the sound of Obama throwing America under the bus.
"This is not the America I thought I knew."
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