March 13, 2025
"President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said on Thursday that he was open to the idea of a 30-day cease-fire in Ukraine..."
"... but that a number of 'questions' must still be resolved. His remarks, at a news conference in Moscow, signaled he was in no hurry to go along with a truce and came as U.S. officials were in Russia to discuss the cease-fire proposal that Ukraine has already agreed to.... It was the first time that Mr. Putin had publicly addressed the cease-fire offer. He is expected to meet with President Trump’s Middle East envoy, Steve Witkoff, later today — and Mr. Putin said he may soon speak with the American president...."
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"...signaled he was in no hurry to go along with a truce..."
So Putin has read "The Art of the Deal"?
His remarks... signaled he was in no hurry to go along with a truce...
Maybe so, but how would the NYT know? What did they expect, for Putin to say "yeah, I'm down with that" without even considering the conditions of the proposal?
This "cease fire" will rightly be viewed as a trap by Russia and a chance for Ukraine to catch its breath and re-arm, the same way we used the Minsk agreements. Russia just kicked Ukraine out of Kursk, Ukraine is reeling, morale is collapsing. There is no reason for Russia to accept a cease fire on US and Ukrainian terms right now.
The real history of the West's long term plan to use Ukraine to collapse the Russian Federation in the same way that the USSR collapsed. Oh yeah, and the history of why we have been fighting in endless wars since the Soviet Union collapsed, as told by the man who was the first American to hear the news that the Soviet Union was no more, directly from the lips of Boris Yeltsin in the Kremlin.
https://theduran.com/geopolitics-peace-and-chaos-w-jeffrey-sachs-live/
They are coming to the table, and that is progress; the small incremental steps are the ones to follow. The usual interpretations predicting dire consequences are the normal crap we have to put up with from the 'experts' both sides. I hope we don't start with the tit-for-tat flame wars on this thread, which are tiresome and uninformative.
don't get me started on sachs and summers, they should be barred from any decent forum, for what they did to not only the Russian economy but practically every province inside Central Asia,
", for what they did to not only the Russian economy but practically every province inside Central Asia,"
Oh, he knows he screw up, he knows he was played, but who better to lay out what really happened, and he has been on the inside, in the rooms where it happened, and still mixes with the highest levels of power.
Aggie, agreed; this is a step in the right direction.
we shall see if this a hudna like what we see in Gaza or a real piece
The left are rhoooting for more war.
There is no reason for Russia to trust the United States, NATO, or Europe in general.
The Minsk accords made that clear. The 2014 coup we sponsored was the most important factor in causing this war.
At some point the United States is going to have to admit that it has been breaking deals and pushing for regime change in Russia for 40 years. We cannot be a broker for peace if we keep acting in bad faith.
If Trump really wants peace he needs to call the Democrats and the Neocons out and he is going to have to start charging people like Victoria Nuland and Susan Rice with treason.
well he got them to the table, lets see how it works out, we could have had this deal in 2022, and there would be about 3/4 of a million less dead
Meanwhile the Hamas delegates are storming Trump Tower in NYC with matching t-shirts and signs. Send them all to Gaza to fight for their people over there...along with whomever is funding their hate and antisemitism...(soros)
and you would get a treason conviction in DC, now whose dreaming
Less mind reading by NYT lap puppies, more wood shampoos for NYT lap puppies
the Daily Mail had its fresh Russian scoop, via the Bezos Post, how this wouldn't happen,
We could have had Ukraine completely whole in 2014 including Crimea with lasting peace.
But we fomented a coup and overthrew the Ukraine Government. The political leaders of the political parties representing eastern Ukraine were thrown in jail or chased out of the country. Western Ukraine armed and supported paramilitaries like the Azov Battalion to terrorize the East of Ukraine.
So Russia took Crimea.
We could have had the Minsk Accords in 2020 which would have had Ukraine whole minus Crimea.
Boris Johnson told Zelensky to renege on the Minsk Accords and the US and Europe started promising to add Ukraine to NATO after Baker promising not one inch to the east.
Russia invaded Ukraine.
This has been an exercise in bad faith by the west for 40 years. If peace is your objective you cannot act like this. We need to charge the liars and warmongers with treason and send a signal to the world that the US wants to be an honest broker and force for peace in the world.
"There is no reason for Russia to accept a cease fire on US and Ukrainian terms right now."
Once they boot the Ukrainians out of all Russian territory, all they want is assurance that Ukraine won't join NATO. The Russians don't want to conquer Ukraine West of the Dnepr, they want ot keep it as a buffer between them and NATO.
The more you read the New York Times, the less you know. They even say it in their motto, all the news they see fit to print.
and when they admit something inadvertently they deny it subsequently, because as Taranto observes, they don't read their own paper,
The Journal is sadly not much better, they were defending Perkins and Coie's history of fraud,
Peace in our Time:
The agreement provided for the German (Russian )annexation of part of Czechoslovakia (Ukraine ) called the Sudetenland (Crimea), where more than three million people, mainly ethnic Germans (Russians), lived.[1]
that ignores a boat load of history going back about 300 years,
Sevastapol, for instance, was one of supposed 'Potemkin villages'
Talking is better than fighting.
Neville Chamberlain would have been regarded as the most stable of all geniuses if he got Hitler to stop his annexations without giving the Germans more land. VVP isn't merely supportive of the ceasefire, the terms are so good that Zelensky would be an insane coke head to not immediately address it. Even a quick withdrawal/ surrender in the Kursk pocket would be infinitely better than angering President Trump while getting your army massacred. Ukraine has seen hundreds of soldiers surrender in Kursk, and that will be thousands when they realize their government is abandoning them.
”President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said on Thursday that he was open to the idea of a 30-day cease-fire in Ukraine..."
Trump, of course, wants a lot more than that, and I think he will get it.
@narcisco, Russia first annexed the Crimea to acquire Sevastopol in the late 18th century, and went to war with England, France, and the Ottoman Empire to reacquire it in the 1850s after the Ottomans had conquered the Crimea in the interim. Sevastopol is not something Russia is idly interested in.
Jupiter said: Once they boot the Ukrainians out of all Russian territory, all they want is assurance that Ukraine won't join NATO. The Russians don't want to conquer Ukraine West of the Dnepr...
Russia probably intends to take most or all of the coastline, at least including Odessa.
"Neville Chamberlain..."
Here we go. LOL. Hitler had a huge army that was able to roll over countries like Ukraine within weeks. Putin wanted Ukraine to stay neutral, this was far too much to ask of NATO, which supposedly exists to keep the peace in Europe.
Russia created Ukraine and gave them a huge army, BTW, and Ukraine, after we overthrew their elected government in 2014, started using that army to kill the ethnic Russians left there from the fall of the USSR.
I love how the Ukraine shills and Ukrainian assets alternate between:
a. Putin is going to CONQUER THE WORLD!!!
and
b. The walls are closing in on Putin, he's losing the war!
1) Russia is never going to return the ground they have taken. Ukraine needs to deal with that reality.
2) Moving on past that, Russia wants guarantees that protect Russian speakers in Ukraine and they want some sort of iron clad guarantee Ukraine will not join NATO or be a base for foreign agression against Russia.
3) Putin has been burned by ceasefires before. So, he wants a long term agreement, not a short respite that will allow NATO and the USA to rearm Ukraine and restart the war.
All the nonsense and this bloody war could have been avoided if we had just recongized that Ukraine is in Russia's sphere of influence just as Mexio is in ours. But we need to be imperialist and be aggressive and then be shocked, I mean shocked when "the Target" reacts. How dare Russia not recognize the America's borders start at the Donbass!
People keep bringing up Chamberlin. he had the same problem. He refused to acknowledge that E. Europe was in the USSR/Germany sphere of influence, and that the UK and France needed to mind their own business. He then went to war over "Poor little Poland" that was then handed over to Stalin with a peep of protest in 1945..
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