"It all depends on who she would be cooperating against, and what she has to offer. I would not be surprised if she had already tried to cooperate and it had failed.... They don’t want to take the hand of someone involved a criminal operation and let them cooperate against people who are well below them. That may be the case here – they just feel that she’s so bad they won’t allow her to cooperate,” Lichtman said....
Former federal and state prosecutor Elie Honig said on Twitter: “Maxwell’s cooperation is not particularly likely, but it is possible. You’d need (1) Maxwell to be willing and fully on board, (2) SDNY to be fully convinced of her truthfulness, and (3) a realistic plan to use her information versus others.”...
“Of all the people supposedly involved with Epstein, 99% of them never made it into the government’s evidence,” said Lichtman. “Perhaps they were trying to avoid any frolic by the jury – that they’d get distracted by the bold-face names – but many people didn’t get prosecuted here when it seems like they could have,” he added....
The lawprof Bennett Gershman asks whether the case cries out for more:
“Are the victims and people who really care about this case satisfied now Maxwell has been convicted or do they want to see other people in the larger network investigated?... They have limited resources and personnel, so does this case cry out for further investigation and prosecution? That’s a political decision by the US department of justice and the US attorney’s office.”
Another way to put that is: Does the case cry out for less?
If it's a political decision, the political minds might want to suppress this story — to say, look, we got that one person and hope the response is: Good for you. That solves the problem.
But shouldn't Maxwell worry that as long as she's holding the story inside herself that she's a target for murder in prison?
One reason to tell all now is so that killing her won't work to suppress the story. Does she know or believe that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered and if so, who murdered him and why? How does she feel about that and what effect would that have on her motivation to continue to protect the powerful people she could talk about?
ADDED: Evidence that the political minds want to be done with this: "Federal prosecutors quietly dropped their case against Jeffrey Epstein's jail guards in the middle of Ghislaine Maxwell's trial" (Insider).
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Clearly, the best deal she could swing, would be if she could somehow convince the Feds that she would NEVER talk.
Of course, there's Only One Way to be SURE that she would NEVER talk
Ghislaine did NOT commit suicide
If Bill has any dirt, Poor ms. Maxwell will be suicided soon. accidentally.
another happy coincidence.
Seriously, what's she supposed to say?
"I have pictures of the President's son doing coke while f*cking 12 year old Chinese girls?"
They aren't going to cut. Deal, because the goal is to cover this whole mess up and protect the politicians and businessmen who were involved.
People who don't really know anything about QAnon sometimes say something along the lines that QAnon is "a conspiracy theory" about some pedophile ring controlled by political elites.
The real situation is that QAnon was (I think) President Donald Trump's son Eric Trump. Donald told Eric that the US Government was investigating a pedophile ring that involved some political elites. Apparently, Donald was talking about the investigation of the Jeffrey Epstein's activities.
Anyway, Eric then posted some QAnon cryptic references to that investigation -- among the many cryptic references that Eric posted in his QAnon disguise.
To call this situation "a conspiracy theory" is to demonstrate that you don't understand what QAnon was about.
QAnon was Eric Trump, posting cryptic messages based on what he heard from his father. For example, Eric heard his father talking about the government's investigation of Epstein, and so Eric posted cryptic messages indicating that such an investigation was being conducted.
Such an investigation indeed was being conducted. This was not "a conspiracy theory".
LOL: Funny story to drop on New Years Eve: https://www.foxnews.com/us/federal-prosecutors-drop-case-against-jeffrey-epsteins-jail-guards
Ever see the end of Burn After Reading where the CIA fixer buttons up the whole episode?
"He wants to go to Venezuala where we can't extradite him, what do we do sir?"
"Let him go! Right now! Next flight!"
And it's just a coincidence that Comey's daughter was prosecuting the trial. Not to mention that CDs and other computer evidence went missing during the raid, while the FBI was on site waiting for a warrant.
I am sure this was all done to protect Trump.
My favorite line from the writers of 2021 was when Prince Andrew said he couldn't have been with that underage girl when she said because he was at a a "children's pizza party." Google it.
"I have pictures of the President's son doing coke while f*cking 12 year old Chinese girls?"
I know, what were they afraid of? That somebody in their little disinformation and propaganda operation that stretches from the New York Times to the CNN would crack and publish anything she said rather than circle the wagons and disappear, I mean cancel anybody who repeated any of it?
CNN has a pedo problem too now. Another happy coincidence!
Elite democrats and their FBI-Media whores are all just that. Pedophiles and corrupt money whores.
The case against Epstein's guards has been dropped. Biden's prosecutors asked for the charges to be dismissed, though conditions apply. For example, Thomas and Noel must cooperate with the ongoing investigation into Jeffery Epstein's suicide.
What questions will those bulldog Federal sleuths ask?
Daryl Cooper has a very interesting Martyr Made podcast about Epstein.
She is going to have suicide committed on her in the next 3 months. Bet on it.
If she does talk, the press will have to help us sort out the Russian disinformation.
I've been waiting for Epstein's dead man switch to explode. Looks like the State is smarter than he thought. I suspect Maxwell hopes her tradecraft is better.
Thing is, these don't work unless somebody thinks the delayed explosives exist, which means the possible subjects may go looking for them.
It's a mess but it isn't us, it's the news that is descending into chaos. If the DOJ doesn't expose the people involved then those people will be blackmailed for the rest of their lives - every time someone has, or says they have, Maxwell's little black book. The book will probably be stolen and then stolen back and sold repeatedly. Its adventures could become an Amazon series. A long series of exposures of the highest and the brightest and the best in the land. In short, the cover-up, if it happens, will be the death knell of Our Betters, the cheap imitation leaders who came out of the Nineties and who Trump was challenging. Yet exposure right now will also end them. So the interest of the story is over, except how it happens in fact. Maxwell did not commit suicide - yet. But the guards who allowed the Epstein "suicide" have just been let off prosecution. So ... so what? So, we should just get on with really unknown events that could be real news - our own lives and how they go.
She won’t be suicided but she will be forgottened…
The govt is hopelessly corrupt.
It is clear Epstein has spent decades building his kill switch. Evidence of top people screwing kids. Mutual assured destruction. He just waited too long to engage it. Seems Maxwell is making the same mistake.
Societies rules do not apply to them.
If Maxwell had evidence, why didn't she use it already?
Laughable. It’s more like, you’re in prison now, we can kill you at any time (see, e.g. Whitey Bulger, Jeffrey Epstein), you will remain absolutely silent about everything you know, and we are all going to move on.
Both Epstein and Maxwell certainly have tapes. And I bet their lawyers have copies.
Her life is in imminent danger. If there is anyone outside of prison that she loves, their lives are also in imminent danger.
These people in charge have abandoned rule of law. Just this morning:
NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply
What pleases them most is what will happen to Maxwell and the media will justify it.
Her dad died mysteriously, went overboard somehow from a yacht at sea.
Maxwell was afforded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, at least six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence[57] and many dignitaries and politicians, both government and opposition, and was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.[58][59][60] Herzog delivered the eulogy and the Kaddish was recited by his fellow Holocaust survivor, friend and longtime attorney Samuel Pisar.[61] - Wikipedia
But Maxwell's father didn't kill himself!
If global elites want the public to stop believing in conspiracy theory, they need to stop creating conspiracies. For example, the Beiden China/Ukraine compromat is well publicized. Why don’t these people have discipline like the JFK conspiracy guys did.
Who did Jizz Lane traffic the girls to? Why aren't those people being charged? Should she be punished for facilitating their crimes while they go free?
If Prosecutors know she trafficked minors, they must know who she trafficked them to. Did they only charge her with bringing girls to Epstein himself? If that's all she did, then why are they sealing all these records?
There’s a non-zero chance that Epstein’s prison guards will wake up dead in the new year…
"Who did Jizz Lane traffic the girls to?"
None of your business.
Nothing to see here.🧑🦯
@Bob
I recall what seemed to be a half-hearted effort to implicate Trump in some testimony during the trial but it didn't seem to go anywhere, though I don't normally visit the deeper fever swamps of the Left.
The death of Maxwell's father. The sweetheart sentence that was originally given to Epstein and then, later, his death in prison. All those movers and shakers that traveled on his plane. So much skuldugerry with so many tentacles entwined in Gordian knots. The one thing I know with absolute certainty about the Epstein scandal is that I will never know all that much about the Epstein scandal.....I've read some biographies of Stalin. There is some circumstantial evidence that he might have been an informer for the Czarist secret police, but if he was, you may be certain that no physical evidence remains extant that he was.
anything that paints a picture of mass corruption on the left - why - it's all a conspiracy.
gilbar said...
Seriously, what's she supposed to say?
"I have pictures of the President's son doing coke while f*cking 12 year old Chinese girls?"
12/31/21, 6:42 AM
^^^THIS^^^ The FBI, DOJ and every other corrupt agency doesn't give a shit. They never have. Look at the corruption that went on for years with the Olympic Girls Gymnastics. The FBI knew and did nothing. They don't care.
@ Christopher B
I think if they had anything serious on Trump they'd have used it back in 2016 to either take him out or control him. If they'd had anything, they wouldn't have had to create the Russian Collusion hoax.
Having said that, if Trump is involved in this, then let justice be done...but not just to Trump, to all involved.
It seems at least plausible at this point our IC was using Epstein for trafficking minors to entrap targets and the Justice Dept knew about it, covered it up and allowed it to continue. That's what this is all about. They shouldn't be allowed to investigate themselves.
This case is an example of Mutually Assured Destruction.
who runs the blackmail network, why did they need to blackmail these particular people,
like prince andrew, and george mitchell (the latter employed george nader on the quixotic middle east peace quest, he saw selling russian arms to iraq, more profitable,
So.
Half of America gets to see just how political criminal justice is, particularly at the federal level. Kick it out of sight, fast. Compare this shoddy episode with what is being done to the Jan 6 rioters. They are rotting in jail “awaiting trial”. No bail. No release on own recognizance.
No one cares about Epstein or Maxwell. They don’t care about those girls. They care about Epstein’s buddies. They don’t want Maxwell’s information. They want her to disappear. And she will.
Ghislane procured and groomed girls to be exploited, but where have the real sexual offenders been charged? If they don't exist, then Ghislane's crimes aren't real.
I'd like to see both Bill and Hillary behind bars.
Isn't it obvious that Epstein was working for different factions of the global intelligence community as an expert blackmailer.
The truth cannot come out because too many powerful people are involved.
If Epstein/Maxwell's activities were not about pedo network but about sth way more important, people involved would do everything to make public believe it was about pedo network. It's a perfect distraction since it evokes visceral response making people blind about other stuff. Throwing in Trump (for Democrats) and Clinton (for Republicans) make them even more blind and salivating for settling the political scores.
So before discussing government tactics, it's necessary to consider what are all options of the real game being played. Otherwise, it is not clear whether US gov was a part of it, and mops up, or was not and is conducting a real, albeit hidden from the public, investigation.
1. US spy operation?
2. Foreign spy operation?
3. Epstein working both sides?
4. Epstein getting money from rich people trying to LARP as spies?
5. Influence/blackmail network to achieve some business goals?
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there's lots of possibilities, probably clearest answer would be determined in the usual way, i.e. by following the money
Maxwell's defense should have been, "if there are all the girls who were groomed and trafficked to men by the defendant, the prosecution should produce these men and name names. If they can't, then no crime occurred".
Never going to happen. The DoJ --- especially this one --- doesn't want to start turning over these rocks.
The proffered “evidence” that the case against the prison guards was quietly dropped during the Maxwell trial is a bit weak, given that their deferred prosecution deal was announced last May.
"They don’t want to take the hand of someone involved a criminal operation and let them cooperate against people who are well below them."
I don't think it's the ones "below" her that are driving this decision.
Anybody who thinks Maxwell will expose politicians and celebrities as pedophiles, I have a nice bridge over water in Arizona for sale cheap. She would die first ;)
See what I did there?
Surprisingly, but not unexpectedly, the gubmint has sealed all files & records from Maxwell's trial
'"It all depends on who she would be cooperating against, and what she has to offer.'
The Feds already have the hundreds of thousands of photos and videos of important people fucking underage girls.
That's what she had to offer, and they've shown that it's a massive coverup, not a truth-seeking exercise.
Now, why she doesn't have her own copies stashed somewhere I will never know.
If I were her, and if I had done the things they are accusing her of, I would have multiple backups in the cloud as well as hard copies of everything...
'It is clear Epstein has spent decades building his kill switch.'
The whole point of having a 'kill switch' is that it is automatic.
Put all the damning evidence in multiple, encrypted files online.
If someone like Epstein doesn't log into an account and type in a password every month, let's say, then the information is automatically forwarded to multiple news outlets and decrypted for all the world to see.
I wouldn't know how to set this up, but I know people who do. Certainly someone with a billion dollars could pay someone to do this...
Forget it, Jake- it is the DoJ.
Other than the incomes/jobs of the johns involved, and perhaps the deluxe nature of the city and island brothel, what is different in this case from the young whores and their pimps working MLK Blvd in Baltimore every single day of the week?
And what is the average sentence for a pimp/procurer in the US, and why should Maxwell get more or less than that average sentence? The prurient interest here far exceeds actual desire for any justice.
About the only useful thing to come out of this is leftist acceptance that Clinton should be convicted and damned for his documented trips to Epstein's Island, usually stated just after demanding Trump be crucified for appearing in pictures with Epstein/Maxwell at NY parties attended by everyone.
Just to long as she doesn't spill the beans on how Narcos Mexico ends ...
There’s a non-zero chance that Epstein’s prison guards will wake up dead in the new year…
They had to drop the case against them so they could be assigned to Maxwell's cell block.
If someone like Epstein doesn't log into an account and type in a password every month, let's say, then the information is automatically forwarded to multiple news outlets and decrypted for all the world to see.
Good idea but that requires "news outlets" that are interested. Maybe send it to Putin.
I don't understand why Maxwell didn't get out while the getting was good. And Epstein as well for that matter. He'd already been prosecuted once, they both should have had an exit strategy ready. There are plenty of places in the world where the kind of money they had access to would buy them a perfectly comfortable lifestyle and no fear of extradition. Her plan was to buy a luxury hideaway in New Hampshire, not going to ground in Brunei or the UAE. And he doesn't appear to have had a plan at all.
Because they weren't bright enough to get out, I think means they also weren't smart enough to have some kind of nuclear option ready if the authorities got too close. Money doesn't always buy smarts. It buys "massages" from teenage girls and Presidents as travel companions on your private jet but it doesn't buy an adequate sense of self-preservation. Apparently!
The FBI will probably raid Project Veritas again so they can “recover” some of the lost Epstein DVDs, the ones that implicate men who refuse to pay the Danegeld. How can witness protection work when the Feds hold your Contract?
On the issue of deadman's switch on the release of damning information, the last scene of Three Days of the Condor and Cliff Robertson's character's question comes to mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZNnDiDSUiI
Maybe that question was answered with Epstein's death.
“The Feds already have the hundreds of thousands of photos and videos of important people fucking underage girls.”
Had not Have. Much of the trove from Epstein’s mansion and ranch have already been lost by the FBI. They seem very good at making troublesome evidence disappear.
What in the world are they talking about? Give me a break. Ask literally anyone in the world. No one cares about Maxwell. Everyone wants the scum who used her services punished, for what they did to those kids.
"anyone in the world" except for some very rich, very powerful scum. Guess who gets to decide.
I am perpetually amazed to read multiple accounts claiming that Epstein and Maxwell were running a sexual blackmail operation, without ever reading who it was they were blackmailing. It would seem that a decades-long, wildly successful blackmail operation ought to have at least one identifiable victim.
Bill Gates was good buddies with Epstein. His wife finally divorced him.
So was Bill Clinton.
The other names bandied about were George Mitchell and Bill Richardson.
Also Prince Andrew.
Doubt there are any other big names.
But there are probably a lot of men. And having sex with underage (especially older men and 16 year old girls) is despicable.
The government isn’t going to cut Maxwell any deal. They want this over.
But nothing is stopping her from having her lawyer release all the names of the men she pandered underage to.
This just in: It's a cover up.
Sealing of the evidence produced in a public setting requires the convergence of both the prosecution and the defense as well as a Federal Judge of no morals. It is outrageous and constitutes another effort to prevent the victims from obtaining justice.
After all, there may have been trafficking, but it was in aid of sexual abuse by persons now protected by the Federal Government.
These are the elite who were recently in charge of government or who are now government officials or celebrities. As exhibit A, I offer Bill Clinton.
These actions are unjustifiable.
I highly recommend the Martyr Made podcast on Epstein.
Daryl Cooper makes some excellent points:
1. Epstein was trained in hiding and laundering money.
2. He was NOT an investment manager. He had no staff to speak of. The Street didn't really know who he was. He wasn't taking 5% positions in Microsoft.
3. Epstein made his money as a fee for service for laundering and hiding money. And then blackmailing his pedo customers. E.g. How much would Tom Hanks pay for the world not to know of his sexual escapades. Former Speaker Denny Hastert paid millions in blackmail money.
4. Cooper says he has more to come on Epstein.
Let’s not forget that it was the the W DOJ that cut Epstein a very generous deal along with Florida prosecutors.
Cindy McCain said she knew about Epstein.
She is free to tell everyone what she knew and how she knew it.
Sealing of the evidence produced in a public setting requires the convergence of both the prosecution and the defense as well as a Federal Judge of no morals. It is outrageous and constitutes another effort to prevent the victims from obtaining justice.
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and previously ...
Acosta’s prosecutors quietly entered into a secretive non-prosecution agreement with the billionaire which ensured that Epstein and his co-conspirators would not be prosecuted.
so unsealing the evidence would reveal co-conspirators/johns
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