May 22, 2017

"I felt that, in that moment, he was being typically Donald, which is performing and shocking. Almost like Andrew Dice Clay, the stand-up comedian."

"Does he really do the things that he's saying or is that his act? And in Donald's case, I equated it that way. When he said what he said, I'd like to think if I had thought for a minute that there was a grown man detailing his sexual assault strategy to me, I'd have called the FBI."

Billy Bush speaks.

I think a lot of people don't get Trump's statements because they don't understand the humor. But why should they? They don't want to let him off the hook more than they don't want to look like they have no sense of humor.

There's the famous feminist punchline: That's not funny

I think it's important to perceive the humor, so you can understand why he says some of the weird things he does. You don't have to think it's funny or have a taste for that kind of humor, but you should understand that it is humor, unless you have some reason to want to stand on your obtuseness. It could serve some political purpose that you like, perhaps for yourself, perhaps for others. But if you can understand how a statement is humor and you engage in speech that treats it as if it is intended to be taken seriously because you find it useful for other people not to see the humor, you are a propagandist.

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Earnest Prole said...

It's both humor and autobiography.

Martha said...

Squeeze the humor and spontaneity out and you get Hillary!
...............a hectoring scold for the ages

Original Mike said...

Have you changed your view of this episode, Althouse? Seems like at the time you considered Trump's utterances as admission of assault.

n.n said...

I accept that Trump is a native of New York City. His ethnic, class peculiarities are secondary to his principles. Judge a man by the "content of his character".

eric said...

When this first came out last year, one of the commenters here had the best take.

It was the Donald trying to sound cool and fit in. But no one talks like that. Most men have, at one time or another, heard other men, or have themselves engaged in, crass talk about women. None of us have ever heard a man say they grab women by the pussy.

It's just an odd way to say something.

traditionalguy said...

A trash talk in a private Hollywood environment demands witty sayings about the subject of sexy young women who come to seek rich men.

Taking that secret tape recording and pretending the NBC guys got a public statement about women from the President of the USA , means that you have lost your mind.

Annie C said...

Spot on Ann:

"But if you can understand how a statement is humor and you engage in speech that treats it as if it is intended to be taken seriously because you find it useful for other people not to see the humor, you are a propagandist."

Freder Frederson said...

I think a lot of people don't get Trump's statements because they don't understand the humor.

Yeah, a 60 year old man bragging about grabbing women by the pussy and getting away with it because he is famous, or trying to fuck a married woman (when he is also married), is just hilarious.

I guess you were sufficiently impressed by his ability to read from a teleprompter this past weekend that you are now back on the "defend Trump for anything" train.

Inga said...

Wow. To say that Trump's weirder utterances are mere humor and we who comment on the oddness of iit are obtuse? There comes a time that people need to stop enabling or making excuses for him. My sense of humor is fine. My observation skills are fine. This post is as odd as some of the oddest things Trump has said... or maybe you are joking?

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Or is writing this off as humor the proganda?

Rene Saunce said...

Wow - Bill Clinton did what?

Roost on the Moon said...

Trump often uses the ambiguity of his "humorous" statements for political purposes. He claims he was joking when he was not, he claims he wasn't when he was.

I don't see why his critics should forbid themselves the use of the same tactic.

AReasonableMan said...

Not sure that there is a strong demand to have Andrew Dice Clay as our president.

Original Mike said...

"My sense of humor is fine. My observation skills are fine."

Now, that's funny!

donald said...
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Rene Saunce said...

It was stupid male bravado talk.

The left think Trump actually raped someone... with his stupid male bravado talk. Also, this was younger Trump, not Trump circa now. But who cares, right?


**Roll out Madonna and Ashley Judd and some over the top vulgarity. That'll show em'.

rcocean said...

So, Billy Bush tapes Trump without his knowledge 13 YEARS AGO saying something crude in a private conversation. Some how the tape doesn't surface till October 2016, just when it can do maximum damage to Trump. In fact, most people at the time thought Trump was finished.

Now Bush is back in the "news" giving us his dumb opinion that Trump is just a provocateur and didn't engage in "locker room" talk because no one talks like that in Bush's locker room. The stupidity of the statement is unbelievable.

And somehow this surfaces just when Trump is overseas and getting some good press.

This isn't fake news - its just dumb news. And another set up.

Freder Frederson said...

You don't have to think it's funny or have a taste for that kind of humor, but you should understand that it is humor, unless you have some reason to want to stand on your obtuseness.

What about the statement is humorous. Please explain the humor to me. Apparently, I am too obtuse to find the statement humorous under any circumstances.

And the reason Andrew Dice Clay's fifteen minutes of fame was mercifully short (and I realize he is still eking out a living with his shtick as a D-list celebrity) is that once you got past the shock value, people (at least people who had matured past an eighth grader's definition of humor) realized Andrew Dice Clay was not funny, but actually rather pathetic and a hack.

Bob Boyd said...

"Not sure that there is a strong demand to have Andrew Dice Clay as our president."

Andrew Dice Clay would probably have beaten Hillary too.

Inga said...

Also to accuse others of being "propagandists"? The man says these things seriously. The people who comment on it are making an observation that holds as much weight as any person with decent observational skills and do not remark on it to only push their political agenda. There are millions of people in America who are seriously concerned about the mental health of this President, they are intelligent, sincere and observant people with normal senses of humor, these people are not all propoagandists or obtuse.

Rene Saunce said...

It's only delightful feminist, cute, funny and *knee weakening* when Bill Clinton does it.

btw - I wonder if Bill is still dickin' bimbos at home? Cuz that would be AWESOME.

rcocean said...

Again, if you actually read/listen to what Trump said, Trump is NOT saying he assaulted women and "grabbed them by their pussy"

He said he could do that because women were throwing themselves at him. But he didn't say he actually did it.

Also, grabbing a women by her pussy is much harder then it seems. Its much easier to grab a man by his balls or "cut his balls off" in the Lowrey sense of the phrase.

rcocean said...

Dice seemed funny when he first came onto the scene. Saw him again on Youtube, and man he stinks. No wonder his career went in the toilet.

Michael said...

Freder F

Didn't Bill Clinton get blowjobs from a woman who worked for him? An intern? In the Oval Office? Old Bill didn't brag about grabbing women by the pussy, he didn't grab them by the pussy put cigars in them. Cool, huh?



Xmas said...

Maybe not Andrew Dice Clay, but I think there are lots of people that want President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

buwaya said...

"I don't see why his critics should forbid themselves the use of the same tactic."

As a bit of propaganda ammo, sure. But that's what it is.
Propaganda is a fundamentally dishonest thing.

This is not however a proper (honest, true, ethical, genuine) way to be a critic. That requires understanding the actual nature of the phenomenon, not simply shooting at it.

Michael said...

People, millions of them, are "concerned" about the mental health of the president.

Doubtful. They may hate him but they are not in the least concerned about his mental health.

Chuck said...

Well, some of it may be funny.

But what was so funny, about claiming that he was sending his own private investigators to Hawai'i, to find out about the Obama birth certificate? What was funny, really, about trolling everyone via the National Enquirer about Ted Cruz's dad? What was so funny about saying, "I prefer people [unlike Lt. John McCain] who weren't captured"?

That latter one wasn't even original Trump humor. It was banally ripped-off humor, from our old friend Al Franken. Who Trump no doubt heard, or heard about, and remembered and then plagiarized the line.

I sort of agree with Althouse that a lot of this is intended by Trump as humor. Which only shows what a nasty person he is, deep-down, with a sense of humor that is rooted in, and permanently stuck in, teenage military school days.

buwaya said...

"The people who comment on it are making an observation that holds as much weight as any person with decent observational skills and do not remark on it to only push their political agenda."

This is not correct. Very few people are willing to properly study anything, and its context.
This is a rare thing. I'm not sure you can call it a skill, it is more a type of personality. You can get angry about something or other, that is easy enough, but genuine virtue in this matter of evaluating public affairs is to attempt to be like Thucydides or Edward Gibbon.

Fen said...

Lost in all the fake outrage from liberals who supported Bill's slut shaming wife is that Trump was not talking about women, he was talking about gold digging whores.

Having grown up in a wealthy family, I immediately got what he was on about. In my youth I many women well outside of my league and they let me do whatever I wanted with their bodies. Because they wanted to marry my family's bank account.

And we were new money, nowhere near as wealthy as Trump. So I'm sure he had it worse with a the celebrity groupies.

So let's talk about why so many women are gold digging whores. There are some funny prank vids online showing girl next door types rejecting losers... until they see him hop into his Lamborghini. Then they are trampling each other begging to be grabbed by their pussy.

Rene Saunce said...

Remember when Eddie Murphy had so much pussy thrown at him, like Frisbees, it was falling out all over the place. He had to shove all that pussy back in his pocket.

Bob said...

"You don't have to think it's funny or have a taste for that kind of humor, but you should understand that it is humor, unless you have some reason to want to stand on your obtuseness."

This is an excellent rule for literary interpretation of all kinds.

I'm on a Melville kick, and have been reading and rereading a lot in Moby-Dick and in literary criticism of it. MD is absolutely full of humor -- some of it dated, and not always that funny, but it's packed full of it. And yet the academic commentary is insufferable -- OMG Gay! OMG Racist! OMG Eevil Capitalist!. I mean for God's sake, the book has fart jokes. It has a whole chapter about a seven-foot-long penis. Ishmael routinely makes fun of intellectuals all through the book, as should we in life.

Bay Area Guy said...

The Left has "pro-choice" ethics.

When Bill Clinton actually grabbed Monica Lewinsky by the pussy (consent given) and stuffed a cigar in it, they turned the other way. Why? Because Clinton was their man.

When Donald Trump talked about "grabbing pussy," the Left went apeshit. Why? Because Hillary was their gal, and Trump was in her path.

In circumstance 1, they chose option A.

In nearly identical circumstance 2, they chose option B.

Why? Because the quest for political power is a heluva lot more important than any pussy grabbing. Indeed, it depends on whose pussy is being grabbed -- in theory and in practice.

That's how the Left rolls.



Bill Peschel said...

"I don't see why his critics should forbid themselves the use of the same tactic."

Wasn't that Jon Stewart's schtick? "Clown nose on; clown nose off."

If the speaker was an NBA player, would he be subjected to the same criticism?

JPS said...

Eric, 10:49:

"None of us have ever heard a man say they grab women by the pussy."

No. But I have heard a dear friend tell me how she convinced a man she had her eye on not to leave a party: Grabbed his package and told him in a low voice that she strongly suggested he stay.

And he let her!

Bonus points: Same woman considers the Trump brag a sick-making admission of sexual assault.

Chuck said...

n.n said...
I accept that Trump is a native of New York City. His ethnic, class peculiarities are secondary to his principles. Judge a man by the "content of his character".


Right. I've done that. Trump is a serial liar. A laughable abuser of the legal system and legal process. A scoundrel on all sorts of personal levels, from scorned Trump University students, to stiffed contractors, to bankrupted business associates (see, e.g., the WFL), to the amazingly pathological "John Miller" tapes, to his reckless insults of important people in public life, et cetera, et cetera. You need a spreadsheet, to account for all of the amazing Trump character flaws.


AReasonableMan said...

rcocean said...
Dice seemed funny when he first came onto the scene. Saw him again on Youtube, and man he stinks. No wonder his career went in the toilet.


Following the analogy being drawn by Bush, this is also a good description of our current president's most probable career trajectory.

vicari valdez said...

it's hard to know for sure, but i always felt that his line was an exaggeration. he's basically saying that women like him so much because he's famous, and consent is implied. i did however think that the way he worded it was pretty telling about a deeper gripe i have with him. he seems to see people as mere objects that he can use in whatever way he wants.

Snark said...

The informed and observant should see Trump's humour as an aspect of the superficial charm of a sociopath. It's disarming to some, precisely because it's weaponized.

Laslo Spatula said...

I made this connection months ago.

Donald Dice Trump.

Look where I was to see where you are going.

I am Laslo.

Fen said...

Cuck: "shows what a nasty character he is"

Not really It only shows whata nasty character he thought Billy Bush was. He's adopting a chatacter, it's all an act. His audience was one man. Billy Bush.

Achilles said...

Inga said...
"Wow. To say that Trump's weirder utterances are mere humor and we who comment on the oddness of iit are obtuse? There comes a time that people need to stop enabling or making excuses for him. My sense of humor is fine. My observation skills are fine. This post is as odd as some of the oddest things Trump has said... or maybe you are joking?"

This is a treatise on lack of self awareness. A requirement for hypocrisy this blatant from a non-sociopath.

Hint: you are the joke.

Rene Saunce said...

Chuck @ 11:17... Trump might be all those horrible things.... he still beat Hillary.
oops.

The left thought the Billy Bush tapes would end it for Trump. It could have been the end for Trump, but the Clintons trump Trump on the deplorable scale.

oops.

sodal ye said...


Blogger Martha said...
Squeeze the humor and spontaneity out and you get Hillary!

True of all of the left, and if buwaya is correct, soon the country. One huge miserable buzzkill.

There have been studies (one even covered in the WaPo earlier this year) that show righties are more attractive than lefties. Take me for example, handsome. My lefty neighbour, ugly. The candidates daughters, Chelsea and Ivanka. It plays out verywhere. This is why they're so pissed off, they're gross looking.

Now you know who Althouse voted for. She's pretty hot, so there's your answer.

Inga said...

“Hillary wants to abolish, essentially, the Second Amendment,” he said. “By the way, and if she gets the pick—if she gets the pick of her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I dunno.” Donald Trump

Yep, this is hilarious.

Rene Saunce said...

Feminist outrage depends on the WHO not the WHAT.

Fen said...

Cuck, wake me when you get to Seth Rich.

OGWiseman said...

I had an ex-girlfriend who joked the same way. She'd say shitty things, and if I called her on them, it was all a joke and why didn't I have a sense of humor. If I assumed it was a joke and let it go, I'd find out later she was serious.

Inga said...

Achilles is only joking when he says that Trump the Oligarch and his Cabinet of Oligarchs will save us from the Oligarchs, because no one could be this obtuse.

Rene Saunce said...

Hillary would have abolished the First Amendment.

Bay Area Guy said...

@Chuck,

Resorting to machine gun, off-topic, rhetorical questions does not an argument make.

"But what was so funny, about claiming that he was sending his own private investigators to Hawai'i, to find out about the Obama birth certificate?"

Yep, a mistake. Obama and the Dems capitalized on this error. The whole birther stuff was a stupid mistake. Obama was born in Hawaii, no doubt. Off-topic, though.

"What was funny, really, about trolling everyone via the National Enquirer about Ted Cruz's dad?"

Too obscure. Nobody cares about this. Cruz is a big boy, and tried to fight back, but he lost anyway. Still, he is talented and young enough to become Prez some day, so no big deal.

"What was so funny about saying, "I prefer people [unlike Lt. John McCain] who weren't captured"?"

Dumb comment, but so what? McCain is a big boy and can fight back. That Trump is picking on high level peers (Obama, Cruz, McCain), actually proves that he is not a bully. He, literally, is picking on folks his own size.

I'd say your citations, Chuck, don't support your claims.

More so, actions speak much, much, much greater than words. The Dems are obsessed with pointing out remarks that violate some PC speech code, and then voting the offender off the island.

Why are you adopting this stupid Left-wing tactic?

Rene Saunce said...

Oligarchs have pens and phones... or so I hear.

tcrosse said...

Yep, this is hilarious.

You piss off Trump, you get childish tweets.
You piss off Hillary, you get dead.

edbarbar said...

Trump said "They let you . . ." even in the locker room.

That implies consent, end of story there.

What people don't like about it is that it is a truth we don't like. Women are "superficial" when it comes to their reproductive choices. They are willing to give everything at the chance of reproducing with highly successful men.

Now, let's not make value judgments. I'm wondering what I would let Megan Fox do to me if she wanted to, and it's probably a lot of stuff. Or just about any hot woman I see on TV. Or even not so hot women on TV. Or really, . . .

People are angry with Trump because he told a truth we don't want to accept.

Inga said...

Trump was very funny when he mocked a disabled reporter, man that was a knee slapper!

Jupiter said...

Inga said...
"There are millions of people in America who are seriously concerned about the mental health of this President, they are intelligent, sincere and observant people with normal senses of humor, these people are not all propagandists or obtuse."

Any estimate as to how many of these sincere, non-obtuse intelligentsia wear crude representations of female genitalia on their heads?

Susan said...

The lefties are truly desperate to be dragging this topic out of the barrel.

But everything else has completely failed to gain traction and the president is on a wildly successful overseas trip so what else are they to do?

I don't think this will bounce as high as it did last time and it didn't do the trick then, so why would it now?

Fen said...

Google prank gold digger.

Pretty hilarious vids on you tube.

Rene Saunce said...

@ tcrosse
Yep, this is hilarious.

You piss off Trump, you get childish tweets.
You piss off Hillary, you get dead.



Boom. Mic drop.

Inga said...

“We got 306 because people came out and voted like they’ve never seen before so that’s the way it goes. I guess it was the biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan,”

Boy this was so funny, but not true.

Thorley Winston said...

When he said what he said, I'd like to think if I had thought for a minute that there was a grown man detailing his sexual assault strategy to me, I'd have called the FBI.

Why would this be a matter for the FBI? Do they no longer have police in New York City?

exiledonmainstreet said...

Any estimate as to how many of these sincere, non-obtuse intelligentsia wear crude representations of female genitalia on their heads?

5/22/17, 11:34 AM

Yeah,, nothing says intelligence and sincerity - to say nothing of dignity and maturity - like wearing a twat hat.


Inga, that cat looks slightly retarded. Which makes it a perfect avatar for you.

Fen said...

"mocked a disabled reporter "

More fake news.

Although I wish he had, the guy was an ass.

And next time you clutch your pearls, maybe clean out your FB wall of all those Trig Palin zingers.

Inga said...

Trump did that 3.5 million people voted illegally, yes that is funny as hell.

Freder Frederson said...

Didn't Bill Clinton get blowjobs from a woman who worked for him? An intern? In the Oval Office? Old Bill didn't brag about grabbing women by the pussy, he didn't grab them by the pussy put cigars in them. Cool, huh?

I don't remember ever defending Clinton for his treatment of women (I didn't even particularly like Clinton as a president). If you can find an instance when I did, please provide a link.

eric said...

Rene Saunce said...
Hillary would have abolished the First Amendment.

5/22/17, 11:32 AM


It always surprises me how badly Democrats want to do away with the first amendment. Don't they realize how badly this will work out for them? For all of us?

Rene Saunce said...

In CA, where illegals have drivers licenses and therefor voting rights, it's not inconceivable that there are illegals voting.

Pillage Idiot said...

Trump uses that exact same set of hand gestures to imitate an able person floundering while trying and failing to make a cogent argument. Exactly the same as the reporter was doing.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=video+of+trump+and+disabled+reporter&&view=detail&mid=538691390894B81D709E538691390894B81D709E&rvsmid=538691390894B81D709E538691390894B81D709E&fsscr=0&FORM=VDMCNL

eric said...

Blogger Inga said...
Trump did that 3.5 million people voted illegally, yes that is funny as hell.

5/22/17, 11:41 AM


And now he is putting together a commission to look at vote fraud.

Better impeach him, quickly.

Inga said...

Trump said that the murder rate in the US is at its highest in “45 to 47 years.”

Hilarious!

Freder Frederson said...

Any estimate as to how many of these sincere, non-obtuse intelligentsia wear crude representations of female genitalia on their heads?

I would hate to see the women you have seen naked. Talk about being obtuse, the pussy reference is to a cat, not female genitalia, (it's called a double entendre, moron). The cat in the avatar should have tipped you off.

exiledonmainstreet said...


"And now he is putting together a commission to look at vote fraud."

I applaud that. Bet the Dems aren't too happy about it though.

Earnest Prole said...

Shorter version: Before I can say whether a man sexually assaulted a woman, I need to know whether he has a D or an R following his name.

Inga said...
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Inga said...

“Have you heard that expression (prime the pump) used before? Because I haven’t heard it. I mean, I just…I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good.” Donald Trump

I'll give him the benefit of a doubt here, he may have been joking because no one would seriously say something this obtuse.

Saint Croix said...

Here's the transcript if we want to keep this discussion grounded in factual reality.

The adultery puts me in a bad mood. I hate adultery, and assholes bragging about hitting on married women bring out the white knight in me.

I would a) ruin the interview

b) maybe damage my business but I would also

c) say some shit to him

None of that happened.

"I moved on her like a bitch. I couldn't get there."

That's not funny. Asshole thing to do. But it's also, for people paying attention, not sexual assault. What he's describing is his failure. "I couldn't get there." She said no. He respected the no.

He didn't respect the ring, or matrimony, or the idea that a union has been sanctified by God and you better watch out. But he did respect her no.

Or else he's describing impotence or some sort of sexual problem (an unlikely confession, I would think).

readering said...

I've been amazed from the outset about how obtuse Althouse is about this Trump guy,

Brookzene said...

The Donald's "sense of humor" is inextricably entwined with his character, and they're both really bad.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Ah, but, Freder, the edgiest feminist protestors go much further than pussy hats. They dress up as giant vulvas, proudly reducing themselves to their genitalia even as they condemn Trump for supposedly disrespecting women. Just google "protesters pussy outfits" and you'll get quite an array of gigantic twats.

The modern feminist is obsessed with her own cooch and what goes in and out of it (like dismembered baby parts.)

Inga said...

Regarding China...“Number two, they’re actually not a currency (manipulator). You know, since I’ve been talking about currency manipulation with respect to them and other countries, they stopped.” Donald Trump

Oh this is some funny shit.

Mary said...

Ann, if you're trying to say that Trump is just a joke, I would agree.

Brookzene said...

Doesn't matter if he assaulted women or not to the fact that he thoroughly disrespects women.

Inga said...

"I've been amazed from the outset about how obtuse Althouse is about this Trump guy,"

And bizarre. There are days that she seems to have seen through him, then she reverts back to these odd postings.

Hagar said...

With all the jammer about what a terrible man Trump is, has anyone considered what he is saying (said) about the character of the women he meets (met) in show business?

Inga said...

“Of course the Australians have better healthcare than we do - everybody does. ObamaCare is dead!” Donald Trump

Yes, maybe he was joking here and it is funny.

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exiledonmainstreet said...

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Tuesday will call attention to what he has said is an “embarrassment” in America: the fact that women make, on average, only 77 cents for every dollar that a man earns.

But critics of the administration are eager to turn the tables and note that Mr. Obama’s White House fares only slightly better. A study released in January showed that female White House staff members make on average 88 cents for every dollar a male staff member earns."

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/us/politics/as-obama-spotlights-gender-gap-in-wages-his-own-payroll-draws-scrutiny.html?_r=0

But hey, it's OK to pay women less if you talk about the "gender gap in pay" and don't make crude comments about women.

You see, "it's different when we do it."

Seeing Red said...

I thoroughly disrespect wimmin, too.

What's the market doing today?

Kevin said...

Election over, the rehabilitation of Billy Bush can commence.

Billy was part of the in-crowd who got caught up in Trump's statement. If it was as patently offensive as they needed it to be, Bush could not survive not having filed a police report. And if it was "locker room talk" and nothing more, then it wasn't as patently offensive as they needed it to be.

We now hear Bush saying it wasn't locker room talk but it wasn't patently offensive. And now we'll see what happens to that trial balloon so his people can adjust the next one.

Eventually he'll be back on the red carpet interviewing Mel Gibson with the appropriate level of contempt.

Brando said...

Ann, you're forgetting what that whole "Billy Bush on a bus" thing was really about. It was a convenient excuse for Trump's reluctant supporters to drop him when it was looking bad for his campaign and they were afraid it would drag them down in their reelection races. I doubt there's a single person who was perfectly fine with Trump but changed their mind when they heard that tape--rather, it was people worried that he never "pivoted" in the general election, and were seeing that he was polling below them in their respective states and districts, and needed a handy excuse to say "now, I have to bail on him." Many (such as Jason Chaffetz) used the "I can't face my daughter now!" complaint, to make it seem extra "real".

But in reality, what was it but the usual bragging from Trump about how well he does with women? He wasn't even really saying "I do this even though those women don't want me to!" It was just the use of the word "pussy" and the weirdness of "grabbing" said pussy that made the statement stand out, and gave the wavering GOP the excuse to retract their endorsements.

n.n said...

Social liberals' bigotry precedes them. This isn't comedy. This is life, deemed worthy, or unworthy. This is about cultural contraception, humanitarian pornographers, and abortion rites, too. This is an effort by special and peculiar interests to normalize the dodo dynasty and elective dysfunction.

If you want people to judge you by the content of your character, rather than by your [class] diversity, then it's probably a bad idea to wear a pussy on your head, to color your complexion, or to drape an unworthy child on your arm.

Anyway, I refuse to bow down before [class] diversitists, female chauvinists, and congruency makers for political progress and democratic leverage.

As for pussies and grabbers, some women like it, most do not. Some men will exploit it/them, most will laugh at childish ways and move on, while a minority will linger in serious contemplation.

Kevin said...

Hillary told a joke once, it was about wiping her private server with a cloth.

Stephen said...

"You don't have to think it's funny or have a taste for that kind of humor, but you should understand that it is humor, unless you have some reason to want to stand on your obtuseness. It could serve some political purpose that you like, perhaps for yourself, perhaps for others. But if you can understand how a statement is humor and you engage in speech that treats it as if it is intended to be taken seriously because you find it useful for other people not to see the humor, you are a propagandist."

Well said. Some conservatives are claiming to be outraged at Bill Maher (incest!) and Stephen Colbert (gay slur!) when what the comedian-commentators are clearly doing is raw and crude humor about the President. They are going after Maher and Colbert indirectly, when they are really outraged that they have such prominent platforms and that the humor is asymmetrical; no one could ever attack President Obama or his family the same way without one's career being ruined.

Seeing Red said...

And 1 of the reasons why is they fall for that 77 cent number every single time😂. Since I think the 90s.

walter said...

Blogger Rene Saunce said...
The left thought the Billy Bush tapes would end it for Trump. It could have been the end for Trump, but the Clintons trump Trump on the deplorable scale.
--
Left is really hoping folks forget about the choice that had to be made.
Pro choice but "OMG! Not THAT choice!"
"Will you stand behind the election result?..."We won't stand for this election result!"

exiledonmainstreet said...

Remember Inga was all for letting millions of people in the Philippines die the next time they're hit with a natural disaster as punishment for having a president who dared to insult Inga's god, Obama.

Die, you terrible brown deplorables!

That's hilarious! Well, no, actually it wasn't. It was pretty ugly - far uglier than anything Trump ever said or did.

A glimpse in the void.

Brookzene said...

Because you say repulsive things jocularly doesn't mean you were joking and it doesn't mean they're funny.

This defense of Trump's "humor" is as stupid as anything I've heard about him. Of course, consider Althouse's own humor. When has she ever been funny in her blog?

exiledonmainstreet said...

Kevin said...
Hillary told a joke once, it was about wiping her private server with a cloth.

5/22/17, 12:01 PM

That was a good one. An even better one was "Why am I not 50 points ahead?"

Inga said...

"And Korea actually used to be a part of China.” Donald Trump

Hahahaha!

Ann Althouse said...

"Have you changed your view of this episode, Althouse? Seems like at the time you considered Trump's utterances as admission of assault."

I don't think I ever believed he really did the actions in a manner that's as bad as it sounds, and I have always seen the humorous intent to his speaking like that. I find it offensive regardless of how closely it correlates with his real world actions because he is disrespecting women and minimizing the seriousness of sexual assault.

walter said...

The "deplorables" quip was humor, right? She seemed to be having some fun in that tape of her discussing the sexual assault case..the fanciful thoughts of young girls etc.

Yancey Ward said...

Progressives are particularly prone to "standing on their obtuseness", I have noticed over the years. I didn't think Trump's comments were funny at all, but I also didn't take the comments as an admission of actual conduct either. It is tedious in the extreme to argue with the intentionally obtuse, which is why I think progressives like to be such.

Bruce Hayden said...

"What people don't like about it is that it is a truth we don't like. Women are "superficial" when it comes to their reproductive choices. They are willing to give everything at the chance of reproducing with highly successful men."

Very basic differences in sexual strategies between the two sexes that I have been talking about here for some time. More (male) versus better (female) with an overlay of pair bonding fighting this that drives a lot of the hypocrisy and secrecy that we see in our sexual relations.

FullMoon said...

Inga said...

Wow. To say that Trump's weirder utterances are mere humor and we who comment on the oddness of iit are obtuse? There comes a time that people need to stop enabling or making excuses for him. My sense of humor is fine. My observation skills are fine. This post is as odd as some of the oddest things Trump has said... or maybe you are joking?
5/22/17, 10:56 AM


Yeah, you a funny gal. Last night you and ARM milking another commenters penis size for laughs.

Inga said...

Maybe it's still there somewhere, just hard to see....
5/21/17, 10:17 PM

mockturtle said...

Is this your idea of news balance? Following up a day of dignity and accomplishment by Trump by a rehash of the twelve-year-old pussy grabbing comment? Disgusting. More disgusting than the remarks themselves.

Limited blogger said...

I've been laughing non stop since the escalator ride

walter said...

Laslo Spatula said...Look where I was to see where you are going.
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Is the White Van coming for us all?

Inga said...

“I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!” And: “How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!” Donald Trump

Now this is truly humorous.

Brookzene said...

"Last night you and ARM milking another commenters penis"

Are you sure that was their penis?

Ann Althouse said...

Bad jokes are still jokes. Does anyone disagree withme about that?

It's important in social functioning to perceive when something is presented as humor, and that kind of knowledge operates separately from finding things funny.

Often you find things funny that are not meant as humor and you don't call things like that humor. You might say it's funny, but that's becaof what happened in your head.

Inga said...

"Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated.”

I agree, this one was a joke.

buwaya said...

The whole business of Trump over the last two years is a great story.

It feels sort of like "Lord of the Rings", with Falstaff (with a side of, maybe, George Steinbrenner, who is out of Damon Runyon) in place of Frodo.

Tolkien would have had an even better book that way, but probably not as popular.

Brookzene said...

"It's important in social functioning to perceive when something is presented as humor, and that kind of knowledge operates separately from finding things funny."

It's important in social functioning to perceive when something is presented as repulsive, sexist, racist, violent. That kind of knowledge operates separately from saying these things with the intent of being funny.

There. FIFY.

Inga said...

I think there are people who don't believe for a minute he was joking about the majority of the off the wall things he says. Some of them are even comedians, so their sense of humor is intact and quite sharp.

Fen said...

"He thoroughly disrepects women"

No, he disrespects gold digging whores and celebrity groupies. As do most women.

Are you a gold digging whore? Maybe that's why you are so offended.

Okay not really. Everyone knows your outrage is fake. I remember a good friend clutching his pearls over this in social media. I was compelled to post that not 24 hours prior he had told me "Check out the rack on that one! I'd love to bend her over"

That sums up most of the pretenders here. If Bill Clinton had said the same exact thing, all we would hear from your side is crickets.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I know we are supposed to pretend that all women are Madonna's up on a pedestal, perfect in thought, word, and deed, unblemished by any taint whatsoever, but the fact of the matter is, some women are gold-diggers or are just turned on by wealth and fame.

And the fact of the matter is, if you are as rich and famous as Donald Trump, a lot of women are going to want to have sex with you. So a guy from Brooklyn who comes from a working class family used the dreaded "P" word in what he thought was a private conversation. Well of course it was going to destroy him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCCCN-3NJiU

FullMoon said...

Martha said...

Squeeze the humor and spontaneity out and you get Hillary!
...............a hectoring scold for the ages

5/22/17, 10:47 AM


"We came
We saw
He died.." (cue maniacal laughter)

Brookzene said...

"No, he disrespects gold digging whores and celebrity groupies. As do most women."

You're a racist.

Inga said...

It's also important to have the requisite skills to make realistic observations about things people say, to recognize a joke as a joke and a serious comment as serious. This skill seems to be not fully functional in some people.

Known Unknown said...

"What was so funny about saying, "I prefer people [unlike Lt. John McCain] who weren't captured"?"

I've thought this for years. Heroes aren't people who get themselves caught. Of course, I respect his service and that he endured as a prisoner of war.

Virtually Unknown said...

When someone is so invested in one interpretation that her avatar is a pussy hat, it's pretty clear that she is not open to any kind of discussion that could possibly lead to any other conclusion, no matter how reasonable and honest it be.

Fen said...

Althouse : "disrespecting women.. minimizing sexual assault"

Let's have a closer look at those breasts.

You sound just like your detractors did back then.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Ann Althouse said...I don't think I ever believed he really did the actions in a manner that's as bad as it sounds, and I have always seen the humorous intent to his speaking like that.

I can't do a search for the exact post now, but didn't you phrase Trump's quote as "an admission of sexual assault" or something similar? Maybe you intended to indicate a belief that it was a joking admission of committing sexual assault, but left that word out, leading to a misunderstanding by Big Mike (and possibly others)?

Brookzene said...

"Heroes aren't people who get themselves caught."

Even the construction of this sentence is disrespectful to our servicemen and women. It's not "people who get caught", in your mind they got themselves caught.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

But I can see why the left thought that would finish him off. After all, if they could sell "a binder full of women" as somehow disrespectful towards women, it would be inconceivable that "grabbing them by the p****" wouldn't destroy Trump's candidacy. I can imagine the DNC bigwigs all smiling and high-fiving each other after seeing it. Hillary over in the corner, having a celebratory cocktail while Huma worried about getting her through the campaign "rally" scheduled for an hour hence in a local high school auditorium.

Little did they know that they were dealing with a Jason.

Oh, and Billy Bush? Never forget, reporters are rich kids who weren't smart enough to get into law school.

Inga said...

“We had a very smooth rollout of the travel ban.” Donald Trump

LOL!

Brookzene said...

"We've had the most successful 13 weeks in history."

Inga said...

“The failing @nytimes was forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win.” Donald Trump

Oh I bet they were laughing their asses off when they heard this.

Brookzene said...

"No administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days."

Known Unknown said...

Holy crap. I'm now in the Eddie Murphy Delirious wormhole. Eddie's Elvis impression is amazing. What a force.

n.n said...

It's not disrespecting women or minimizing sexual assault. It is acknowledging that there are women who climb men (female chauvinists up male chauvinists and anyone they can paint with a broad brush) to realize their power and there are women who have been indoctrinated with the belief that their sexuality, their sexual power over men, has been intentionally suppressed by the patriarchy in order to control and exploit them. Most men and women find these anecdotes amusing, laugh it off, and move on with serious things.

Inga said...

“Here in Philadelphia, the murder rate has been steady — I mean, just terribly increasing.” Donald Trump

Oops, that was funny.

Kevin said...

Bad jokes are still jokes. Does anyone disagree withme about that?

I was told bad jokes were clear evidence of past sexual assault. I was told that by several major news networks.

Hagar said...

I find it offensive regardless of how closely it correlates with his real world actions because he is disrespecting women and minimizing the seriousness of sexual assault.

I am not sure that it is possible to "disrespect" the women Trump was talking about and acting on an open invitation is hardly sexual "assault."

Kevin said...

I was also told by those same networks that everything Trump says is a lie or the utterings of a baboon.

So I guess it just depends on what he says and what they need it to mean.

walter said...

Blogger Inga said...“The failing @nytimes was forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win.” Donald Trump
Oh I bet they were laughing their asses off when they heard this.
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Oh....they did apologize. But then they realized it was more financially important to feed/sell to "the resistance"..

Inga said...

“No, no, you have to understand, I had a tremendous victory, one of the great victories ever. In terms of counties I think the most ever, or just about the most ever.” Donald Trump

Hahaha!

Ron Winkleheimer said...

“The failing @nytimes was forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win.” Donald Trump

This is an objectively true statement. And Trump supporters did find it funny.

Yeah, I know, they tried to deny it. But that's just bullshit. Or nuance as it were.

furious_a said...

Since you brought it up -- Bill Clinton literally, actually grabbed Juanita Broaddrick and Kathleen Willey by their *ahem*s.

I BELIEVE YOU,(JU)ANITA!

FullMoon said...

Virtually Unknown said...

When someone is so invested in one interpretation that her avatar is a pussy hat, it's pretty clear that she is not open to any kind of discussion that could possibly lead to any other conclusion, no matter how reasonable and honest it be.
5/22/17, 12:34 PM


Inga's avatar consists of two pussies. One penetrated by a knitting needle representing a penis. Obviously subconscious yearning.

Inga said...


Blogger Inga said...“The failing @nytimes was forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win.” Donald Trump

Oh I bet they were laughing their asses off when they heard this.
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Walter said...
"Oh....they did apologize. But then they realized it was more financially important to feed/sell to "the resistance".."
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"In fact: The New York Times not only wasn’t “forced” to apologize for its coverage, it did not apologize at all. Trump was referring to a post-election letter, a kind of sales pitch, in which Times leaders thanked readers and said they planned to “rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism.”

gadfly said...

@Ann Althouse said...
Bad jokes are still jokes. Does anyone disagree with me about that?

I agree that "bad jokes are still bad jokes" but there is the tag line - " bad in the eyes and ears of the beholder." And in the case of Donald, his personality takes definite form reminiscent of his character. He responds emotionally in almost all situation, exactly what you would expect from an adolescent. Predictably, these responses are habitual and automatic. He first reacts with anger if he believes that he has been attacked personally, a condition brought on by his solipsistic condition. He is a slave, forever and always, to his own feelings.

Big Mike said...

There's the famous feminist punchline: That's not funny.

To which the obvious rejoinder is "It's a guy thing, you wouldn't understand."

(Meade, I hope you know where your wife's blood pressure meds are.)

Brando said...

"I've thought this for years. Heroes aren't people who get themselves caught. Of course, I respect his service and that he endured as a prisoner of war."

Nobody thinks McCain is a hero "because he got caught". People consider him a hero for the service he rendered before getting caught, and for his conduct during his imprisonment when a lot of people would likely have broken down or taken the early release.

It's not surprising that Trump knows nothing about this, but the rest of the public doesn't have to go along with that narrative.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/04/yes-trump-did-win-more-counties-than-any-republican-since-reagan

walter said...

Oh Inga..you ARE funny. Yes..that's exactly what NYT did. Hahahahahahah

Saint Croix said...

Of course, consider Althouse's own humor. When has she ever been funny in her blog?

One of her great gifts is to spot humor in other people. She thinks the orb is funny. She thinks Late Capitalism is funny. She inspires humor, and she shares the funny that she finds. There's a lot of humor here.

Early this morning I typed LOL because I laughed out loud, and it was Althouse who made me laugh out loud. That was on the self-deprecating "Why am I too lazy to learn photoshop?" thread.

That's an in-joke because Althouse puts up this blog every day, day after day, year after year. No days off. None. She's like the Iron Horse of blogging. She's working so hard that I feel like she should take a day off every once in a while. Take a Sabbath, agnostic girl! Take two! And I know how hard she works because when she closed down the comment section--we got a little out of hand, I don't want to say hillbilly revolt, but there was some friction--I tried to start my own blog. And after a couple of weeks I was like, "holy fuck this is a lot of work."

And then in the comments section somebody was bitching about one of the guys who left in the Great Hillbilly Revolt of 2013. And Althouse says...

He did a great job, but he chose to leave. I didn't "run him out," you big liar. I should run you out.

that cracked me up, and then she veered into a

DRIVE. THEM. OUT.

with fucking all caps, and all I can do at that point is type LOL. And I hate typing LOL. I feel like Mr. Dweeb Who Talks Like a Sixth Grade Girl when I type LOL. But she left me speechless with mirth so that's what I did.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Ann Althouse said...Yes, Tim Kaine is right. Trump's statement — which is itself only words — is a confession to behavior.

Criminal behavior. Sexual assault.


Althouse - What Donald Trump Said Into A Hot Mic 7 October 2016

Presumably it was a joking confession to behavior.

[Of behavior? I am super-reluctant to suggest an alternate phrasing--my last (incorrect!) "sic" did not go over well at all.]

furious_a said...

TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT: Fires FBI Director.
HILLARY BECOMES PRESIDENT: Has FBI Director killed.

So, in the end, Donald Trump saved James Comey's life.

Inga said...

“It was almost raining, the rain should have scared em away, but God looked down and He said, we’re not going to let it rain on your speech. In fact, when I first started, I said oh no. First line, I got hit by a couple of drops, and I said this is too bad … but the truth is that, it stopped immediately, it was amazing, and then it became really sunny.” Donald Trump

Haha funny, but In fact: Neither of these claims is true. The rain did not stop immediately, and the sky then remained cloudy.

William said...

It was a private conversation. Private conversations have their own dynamics and stress limits. Billy Bush was playing to Trump, and Trump was playing to Billy Bush. I don't know what the exact opposite of ex cathedra is, but two guys ragging on women and sex in a private conversation must be close to it. It's bullshit and hyperbole and expected to be understood as bullshit and hyperbole.........There's another moral issue here. Both Billy Bush and Trump were in the employ of NBC at the time of the conversation. They had a reasonable expectation of privacy and, moreover, a reasonable expectation that their employer would not take active steps to destroy their careers and reputations by releasing a tape of a private conversation........Bush got a good pay day out of it, probably for the NDA as much as anything, but it was a cold act of betrayal on NBC's part. Also, I can't help but wonder why this important revelation was released not during the primaries but during the general election. Trump and Bush don't look particularly good, but NBC looks especially despicable and manipulative.......If Obama or Hillary said something stupid off mic what are the odds NBC would rush to bring it to the attention of the American public.

Inga said...
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Kevin said...

Inga could argue with Trump's version of a weather report.

Inga said...

"She thinks the orb is funny."

I agree! Now that IS funny.

Seeing Red said...

Ya mean funny like Letterman's comment about Sarah Palin's daughter?

Whoopi already told us there's a difference between rape and rape-rape.



Anyone trying to figure out how a comment about gold digging whores and celebrity groupies is racist?

Is it the color gold? Cos whores and groupies come in all colors, sizes and creeds.

Inga said...

“I looked at the rain, which just never came. We finished the speech, went inside, it poured … it’s like God was looking down on us.” Donald Trump

Giggling.

FullMoon said...

Inga said...

“No, no, you have to understand, I had a tremendous victory, one of the great victories ever. In terms of counties I think the most ever, or just about the most ever.” Donald Trump

Hahaha!

5/22/17, 12:46 PM


Trump2626 Clinton487.
Not tremendous. Only over five times as many

Kevin said...

“I looked at the rain, which just never came. We finished the speech, went inside, it poured … it’s like God was looking down on us.” Donald Trump

“I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

–Hillary Clinton

Only one of these is an actual joke.

Once written, twice... said...

Of course Ann and her Althouse Hillbillies give a pass to Trump for his "humor" while they went on for years trashing President Obama for (maybe) hearing things his minister said. Of course race doesn't explain that difference in responses.

Trump said that he could murder someone in broad day light on Fifth Avenue and his supporters would not care. Ann Althouse is one of those Trump supporters.

Static Ping said...

I never thought it was funny, particularly. I thought it was accurate. He probably could get away with grabbing lots of women by the woman parts, especially in the circles he frequented. Really ugly undesirable men are allowed to grab women by the woman parts if they go to the right strip club and tip the stripper sufficiently. When the net worth is much higher, lots more women reach their "stripper" level, willing to put up with quite a bit for the money train. Honestly, a lot of the women would be happy to have sex with rich men before they would tolerate public groping.

I readily admit that Trump is a BS artist. That said, he is a very effective BS artist. Furthermore, the percentage of BS artists in politics is very high, given it is a high status, potentially high paying job that requires essentially no skills or talents. See Joe Biden.

Brookzene said...

"Trump said that he could murder someone in broad day light on Fifth Avenue and his supporters would not care."

You didn't think that was funny?

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Tell Vlad I'll have more flexibility after the election" - Obama.

LOL!

buwaya said...

This is a typical case of the depravity of modern US politics.

The matters truly in question - the size and power or the state and its agencies, economic policy, international strategy, the nature of the polity itself (via immigration, corruption, etc.), the long term decline of enterprise and innovation, are fought over in an arena of trivialities.

This is really quite a strange thing. In most countries their open political arguments are much closer to genuine matters at issue, a clash of interests in the open. And I mean even in poor countries with democratic politics.

Here the battle over interests is avoided, and all that is discussed and argued over is, well, dumb things.

This is of course a propaganda technique, to displace the battlefield of discourse to somewhere favorable to the propaganda machine, to fixate on an inconsequential detail while obfuscating the big picture. The Soviets, for instance, very early figured that they would do poorly in their ideological war on the field of, say, median standard of living, where Marx laid out the arena. That was why the argument was displaced to matters where there were no objective criteria, hence the exploitation of (non-Marxist) emotional identity politics and all the slew of issues of the new left.

Its easy to understand professional propagandists that do this, it is after all their job. It is a little difficult to understand other people though. A reasonable approach to their own interests would seem to dictate a preference for rational discourse, if one is to have a discourse at all.

Fen said...

Let's take a closer look at those breasts.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"I ain't in no ways tarrr'ed"

The world's whitest white woman trying to sound black.

Bay Area Guy said...

Althouse needs a "Still-Butt-hurt-over-election" Tag.

That would cover this post and many others.

Inga said...

"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS, I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton." Donald Trump

Oh yes I recall someone thinking he was joking here too.

walter said...

Once written, twice... said... Of course race doesn't explain that difference in responses.
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Of course, any critique of O has to involve race..
O has some challenges ahead though..like how to top the mega $$$ he made on that speechifyin' in Europe.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Hillary barking like a dog was pretty funny too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WovYnLL9Yow

She knew she already had the pussy vote. She was apparently trying to broaden her appeal.

buwaya said...

Orwell for instance had no patience at all for this stuff, even when he was a man of the left.
Its no surprise that Orwell is disliked in modern US academia.

Brookzene said...

"He probably could get away with grabbing lots of women by the woman parts, especially in the circles he frequented. Really ugly undesirable men are allowed to grab women by the woman parts if they go to the right strip club and tip the stripper sufficiently."

Here's the deal - you don't think someone who regularly grabs women, even women who are okay with it, sooner or later won't grab someone who is NOT okay with, someone who doesn't want to be grabbed, especially "grabbed by the pussy."

And so if Trump was regularly grabbing women by the pussy because he's a celebrity you know, and they like it, sooner or later he's going to grab someone who doesn't want to be grabbed, don't you think? That's just reasonable to believe of a serial grabber, right?

Is it okay because so many did like it? Or if you grab someone and they don't like it, even though you just thought they probably would because so many do, what do we call that? Can't we call it assault?

Achilles said...

Inga said...

"In fact: The New York Times not only wasn’t “forced” to apologize for its coverage, it did not apologize at all. Trump was referring to a post-election letter, a kind of sales pitch, in which Times leaders thanked readers and said they planned to “rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism.”

If there were no stupid people, who would believe the NYT's?

They need each other.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Althouse needs a "Still-Butt-hurt-over-election" Tag.

Yep. All the liberals here are more butt hurt than the star of a Laslo-directed porn movie.

Inga said...

"I want him to show his birth certificate. ... There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like." -- Trump on "The View" on March 23, 2011.

Oh hahaha!

Drago said...

Once written: "Of course Ann and her Althouse Hillbillies give a pass to Trump for his "humor" while they went on for years trashing President Obama for (maybe) hearing things his minister said."

Lol

Why would anyone think that Obama heard any antu-American things from his Pastor?

I mean, just because Obama sat in his pews for years and years and called Wright a father figure, mentor and sounding board it would be unfair to claim Obama, one of the smartest men to ever live and a "sort of God", to have any inkling whatsoever of what Wright thought and said.

Fen said...

Remember how Valenti and Marcotte twisted your intent and played it out of context?


exiledonmainstreet said...

"Or if you grab someone and they don't like it, even though you just thought they probably would because so many do, what do we call that?"

An average day for Bill Clinton.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Of course Ann and her Althouse Hillbillies

This is, of course, how you get more Trump.

Inga said...

"An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud," he tweeted on August 6, 2012.

Heheheheh!

Inga said...

"There's something going on," Trump intoned about Obama in a June interview, suggesting Obama was sympathetic to radical Islamist terrorists.

"You know, people cannot believe that President Obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words radical Islamic terrorism," he said on Fox News. "There's something going on — it's inconceivable. There's something going on."

Truly hilarious!

buwaya said...

It is much too much, I suppose, to request that Inga, Once, and that lot actually read Thucydides, say. Or even Donald Kagan, "The Pelopponesian War", which is Thucydides + the rest of the story, highly recommended.
Then it would be a worthy and reasonable disputation. Else, at we see, it is all unworthy foolishness.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

@Brookzene

My guess is that he never actually grabbed anyone. He was utilizing hyperbole.

hy·per·bo·le
[hīˈpərbəlē]
NOUN
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
synonyms: exaggeration · overstatement · magnification · embroidery · embellishment · excess · overkill · rhetoric · purple prose · puffery

Fen said...

"That's just reasonable to believe of a serial grabber"

Follow your own logic path. If Trump is a serial pussy grabber for at least the last 12 years, there should be tens of thousands of women coming forward. Where are they?

exiledonmainstreet said...

exiledonmainstreet said...
"Or if you grab someone and they don't like it, even though you just thought they probably would because so many do, what do we call that?"

An average day for Bill Clinton"

Or LBJ, or the Kennedy boys....

I didn't like Trump's comment either, but I find the Dems to be extraordinarily hypocritical.

You lowered the bar for good when feminists declared they didn't give a shit what Clinton as long as he kept abortion legal. One of them stated she'd put on the kneepads for him.

So - after coarsening the culture, you now want everyone to wring their hands over Trump? Nope. We didn't care, because the Dems told us years ago that sexual improprieties and crudeness didn't matter.

Gee - it's like the filibuster. You people change the rules and never seem to grasp that that changing the rules might work against you someday.


Once written, twice... said...

No, we get more Trump because there is a rising number of stupid people who just like to be entertained and their prejudices reaffirmed.

Brookzene said...

"My guess is that he never actually grabbed anyone. He was utilizing hyperbole."

That's fair. But don't you agree that "They like it" is probably a very poor defense of Trump compared to "I don't think he did it."

exiledonmainstreet said...

Inga appears to be having a grand mal seizure today.

Take some Thorzine m'dear. You're frenzied with hate.

Inga said...
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Drago said...

Exiled: "The world's whitest white woman trying to sound black."

Matched only by the world's second whitest woman, whose white family "helped" "take care" of some of those native Americans, falsely claiming heritage in the victms group to gain professional and financial benefits.

But in a good way. Like Castro's lobotomies for gays that the Left sort of "forgot about".

Unexpectedly!

Inga said...
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Inga said...

Buwaya,

It's not an unworthy endeavor to point out the error of assigning the serious and destructive comments that Trump makes, the benign air of a mere joke. I'm pointing that out, if that was not obvious to you. Don't be obtuse.

Brookzene said...

"Follow your own logic path. If Trump is a serial pussy grabber for at least the last 12 years, there should be tens of thousands of women coming forward. Where are they?"

How many were there? Who said he's doing it daily? Maybe it's something he did occasionally.

Like any fetish, some people might do it daily, others might do it for special occasions. How is it logical to assume there are tens of thousands of victims?

Hagar said...

I don't remember Trump saying that he actually had engaged in this kind of behavior, just that you (or one) could if you (or one) were some kind of show biz celebrity.

So, even if you sincerely believe he is that bad a person, you are stretching it in counting the tape as prima facie evidence that he had done so.

Stretching it in the other direction, I could read it as a wistful complaint about the "Access Hollywood" environment.

Drago said...

Brookzene: : That's fair. But don't you agree that "They like it" is probably a very poor defense of Trump compared to "I don't think he did it."

It beats the hell out of your poorly constructed house of innuendo leading to (another!) charge that Trump is guilty of something with no evidence.

Physician heal thyself.

Or don't.

Whatever.

Brookzene said...

"It beats the hell out of your poorly constructed house of innuendo leading to (another!) charge that Trump is guilty of something with no evidence."

I don't know if he did or not. I don't know if Trump was lying or not. If he was telling the truth then he probably did assault some women.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

That's fair. But don't you agree that "They like it" is probably a very poor defense of Trump compared to "I don't think he did it."

Yes, but I find it hard to believe that anyone actually thought he was going around physically grabbing women in such a manner. Well except for Inga maybe. It was obviously a mixture of hyperbole and metaphor. Pretending to have the vapors over it was what you did if you were already a Hillary supporter. Or Trump hater.

As I said earlier, this is a guy from Brooklyn whose family was working class when he grew up. With money, but still working class. People who go door to door collecting money from deadbeat tenants as a teenager may have slightly different sensibilities than those whose parents interviewed to get them into the best pre-school possible so that they may one day enter the hallowed halls of Harvard. Just saying.

Brookzene said...

As I recall there were at least some women who said he did. I don't know if it happened or not. It was enough for me to know he had bad character, that was indisputable and enough. Whether he actually assaulted women...?

exiledonmainstreet said...

Once written, twice... said...
No, we get more Trump because there is a rising number of stupid people who just like to be entertained and their prejudices reaffirmed."

Good. You just keep on thinking that and calling them stupid.

That's a great strategy! It will work wonders for you!

eric said...

If he was telling the truth then he probably did assault some women

If he was telling the truth when he said what?

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