Trump immediately issued an apology, an apology that took a shot a Bill Clinton:
This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course - not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended.If anyone was offended. Is there any chance that no one was offended?!
Hillary Clinton immediately tweeted: "This is horrific. We cannot allow this man to become president." And Tim Kaine said:
"I don't like to say the words that he's used in the past when he calls women, 'pigs, dogs and slobs' ... but this is behavior that's just outrageous and so that there would be a news story that would have more statements like this of this kind, I mean, gosh, I'm sad to say that I'm not surprised. I should be surprised and shocked. I'm sad to say that I'm not."Yes, Tim Kaine is right. Trump's statement — which is itself only words — is a confession to behavior.
Criminal behavior. Sexual assault.
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The October surprise is not really a surprise given many people's perception of Trump's sexism. But it certainly might be the coffin, the nail and the hammer.
Trump is a terrible candidate - so we get a money grubbing liar and a total corrupt crook. Thanks.
Grab by the pussy has to be a figure of speech, unless it's doubles ice-skating.
On the other hand, Megyn Kelley is going to be great to watch on this.
Well, now we know what will be the focus of Sunday's debate.
Like Hillary Clinton has never dick-punched Bill.
"Yes, Tim Kaine is right. Trump's statement — which is itself only words — is a confession to behavior.
Criminal behavior. Sexual assault."
I wouldn't go that far, but we do know there are credible charges of rape and other sexual assaults against Bill Clinton and that Hillary covered for Bill and attacked the victims.
But why is this coming up now? I thought this election was about America's future and each candidate's version for same.
I wonder if Billy Bush got mad at Donald for how he treated his cousin Jeb.
The pussy is sort of a low-definition area, grab wise, as any high school boy can testify.
As someone said on another post.
It IS over!
Trump needs to control his fantasies.
So, it's Clinton and Pro-Choice including class diversity, selective exclusion, female chauvinism, progressive wars, mass emigration, anti-native policies, trickle-up poverty, scientific mysticism, abortion rites, and Planned Parenthood.
It's still the lesser evil.
A sexually experienced guy isn't going to go pussy grabbing, in other words.
Figure of speech.
How many October surprises can you squeeze into the campaign in 4 weeks? I am guessing a lot.
No click-bait for you, huh?
But Megyn Kelley isn't going to like the p-word, as she calls it. Nonono.
Great TV coming. I'll watch for the sound.
A youthful indiscretion. He was only 60ish at the time.
Nonsense. Criminal nonsense. Hillary Clinton is the death of the Republic and you're trying to parse out kisses and squeezes. We knew that he was sexually adventurous. This is baked in and when you have said "he has a chest wound" you do not get extra points for "and it was bleeding, man! And bubbling, and it made this sound..." for people who revel in the grotesque, which is you, but then don't get shirty about it.
This story to the extent that it means anything, is froth, mere detail. As Trump says, Clintons have said and done worse. Ann, if Hillary Clinton wins, I prophesy that things will be very bad for you, you yourself, personally. It will be that kind of world.
"I apologize if anyone was offended."
Rule: No apology that contains the word "if" is sincere.
Is this worse that calling Rosie fat, is the question. It's not pussy shaming, after all.
Behavior or orientation? His fantasy is evidence of the latter. It's trans-social in public spaces.
"How many October surprises can you squeeze into the campaign in 4 weeks? I am guessing a lot."
There already is another one.
Trump just insisted that those 5 suspects in the "Central Park jogger" case--26 years ago!--were guilty, even though they were exonerated when someone else confessed and DNA evidence proved that person was indeed the real perpetrator.
26 years have elapsed, practically a whole generation, and Trump is still talking about the case, long after the case was closed.
Trump is just hopeless. Hopeless.
Trump's supporters foisted this hopeless character on the rest of us. Shame on them.
Thank god Trump doesn't have any unusual fetishes. Feet or something.
Sounds like the male version of Sex and the City. Or the Lena Dunham show. Only since it is on TV, they use euphemisms (wink/wink).
Wasn't there something years ago about the golf game "pussy" chit-chat of Clinton (male) and Vernon Jordan?
Just you wait.
Everything possible will blow in in the next - what, four weeks?
We shall all be amazed at this'n that.
The system will do all in its power to get its way.
Megyn Kelly goes down on Trump.
The more they try to dissuade me from voting for Trump, the more I am inclined to do so. In fact, right now I would walk barefoot over broken glass for ten blocks to cast my vote for Trump.
sinz52 tell us your excuses for Hillary.
If anyone was offended. Is there any chance that no one was offended?!
Of course not, especially not any more when people get offended over everything and anything.
It's vulgar and rude but the Clintons taught me that if it's about sex, it's got nothing to do with politics and is none of our business. Move on.
This is the lead Megyn Kelly debate question all over again. Guys everywhere groan. "What is this shit?"
Women's vote.
How is it sexual assault if it is consented to, the kissing, grabbing, and fucking?
Rhhardin, you are really on your yame today. Perfect.
The joy is really Megan Kelly doing an offended woman.
I'd be offended by the act, if I were a woman, except my brain would be wired differently then.
"This is horrific. We cannot allow this man to become president."
Funny, that's exactdly what a number of people said about Bill Clinton, but Hillary attacked them and shut them down, and the media dutifully played along.
Now Trump HAS TO bring up Bill's rapes.
Yeah, I thought there was something about Jordan-Clinton "pussy" talk.
Jordan-Clinton Chat
Perhaps Kaine The Krusty Klown can tell us why Crooked Hillary is still married to Pedophile Island Bill.
mockturtle said...
"I would walk barefoot over broken glass for ten blocks to cast my vote for Trump."
Thanks for acknowledging how difficult it will be for people to vote for Trump.
It is awful, but it is too late to change horses now.
And Hillary! is still Hillary!
mockturtle said...
The more they try to dissuade me from voting for Trump, the more I am inclined to do so. In fact, right now I would walk barefoot over broken glass for ten blocks to cast my vote for Trump.
As a fellow Washingtonian (where the final result is foreordained), I keep debating - Johnson or Trump; Johnson or Trump.
I wouldn't walk barefoot over broken glass, but I'm getting damn near to that "F**k You Corrupt Elites" vote for Trump.
What Quayle said.
Criminal behavior. Sexual assault.
It is only sexual assault if there is no consent. Does he anywhere suggest that he has done or wanted to do anything without consent? I didn't see that anywhere in the article.
It's "locker room talk". Which means 99% bullshit.
I lost my virginity many times before I lost my virginity (which I didn't tell anybody about)
Trump's interest in cat videos hasn't come out yet.
I am not offended in the least
Soap Dish (Sally Field) was a sort of nice DVD, incidentally. Speaking of soap opera.
Trump cites such grabbing as an example of what they allow. That's not a confession to doing it. Althouse is usually careful about such parsing. I guess she's being cruelly neutral again.
I'm not offended.
Bill Clinton reportedly said that Hillary has eaten more pussy than he. So what? Do we really need to discuss this?
I thought Trump was being "a dude" and gossiping about himself to be amusing. Notice when they got off the bus it was Billy Bush who suggested Trump give the woman meeting them a hug. It wasn't Trump's idea or impulse to hug and kiss her, despite what he had just bragged.
Also, I thought it was common knowledge that some women, called groupies, throw themselves at famous and successful men.
The only way this could have been better is if Trump had said “Fuck her right in the pussy”
Mebbe it's time for me to disconnect until 2017.
And somebody else made a noise that he was talking about the Central Park jogger case again. So? You think he brought it up out of nowhere, or was he asked about it to create just such a controversy? And, ZOMG, perhaps he said what he really thinks?
God, I hope we're not this stupid.
I would say, any other Republican candidate and this race would be over. Done. Bye bye.
And many Democrats and #Nevertrump are celebrating right now thinking it is, all the while pretending not to celebrate but to be offended, right after they turn off the porn.
But, I wonder. I mean, I remember Romney was quite the terrible human being. He had binders filled with women. As opposed to Bill, who, it can be said, had a private matter that was none of our damn business.
I'm even more doubtful now that trump can win.
But man oh man, if he does win, it'll mean the death knell of personal attacks on Republican candidates for a long long time.
Will we be getting a, "How Trump lost me" blog soon from our hostess?
I expect it's coming.
Wow, betrayed by a Bush? Imagine that.
Hah! This is the best they got? They really did shoot their wad months ago trying to take Trump down. Now all they got are these pathetic spitballs that make them look foolish when they hurl them. No one cares at this point.
Is he any worse than Bad-Touch Biden? Or Bill Clinton? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
"Criminal behavior. Sexual assault."
You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.
Where's the explicit admission of nonconsensual touching in that statement?
Are there ANY claims by these women of sexual assault? I haven't heard any. To me it sounds like a Cosmo article or one of those trashy romance novels. It only lacks "her heart raced and her breast heaved."
How is a discussion between two men that could be called bragging construed as a crime? To make the accusation that it's sexual assault and criminal behavior without a victim's claim is libel.
Trump is the Schwarzenegger of our era, including a similar campaign. No doubt a similar governing style.
Hilarious. Our leftie betters who have urged on the 2Chainz of this world to further their art with such great tunes that extol the virtues of fucking they bitches in the ass have suddenly gotten Puritanical. Pussy? Why clutch my pearls.
Well look around lefties. Find some bitch that doesnt have a tattoo or one that would not swap their (they) souls for a night with Kanye. Now you want to get all Methodist on us?
Fuck off lefties. Eat it. You made it.
like clockwork, every friday it's something new tossed out by the Clinton campaign and then instantly echoed and published by her media minions with complete articles and comments from "shocked" people.
3 weeks ago - birther
2 weeks ago - Trump's lies
1 week ago - Miss Universe
This week - Locker room talk.
I suspect we all have seen nothing yet.
This is a man with a LONG career in such circles.
He is a 70-year old roue. There is most likely an enormous amount of such material.
The system has the resources to find every bit of material of this sort and they probably have. The stakes are very high ($Trillions) and, stupid as the game rules are, they will play to the limit on these idiocies.
So "slut shaming" is back in, for men?
Gk1 said...
"No one cares at this point."
Correction: You don't care. This is not exactly the kind of news any campaign wants the last month before a major election. Especially because it fits neatly into a narrative many have about Trump. At this point Trump needs some good news cycles. This is not nothing. Saying that this is not important is being willfully ignorant.
Grabbing genitals is merely a test to determine if she is really a woman. These days you can't be too careful. Remember the scene from Crocodile Dundee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2holvsTiY6E
"That's a guy! Dressed up like a Sheila!"
This is no surprise. If someone asked me if Trump talked like this a year ago I would have said yes. Bull shit male sex talk from 11 years ago. Again what Trump says versus Clinton actions.
The deplorables, being deplorable, do not give one shit about this stuff. They want a randy president after this last one. The saint of the left, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, fucked his brains out with numerous women.
A lot of women just decided to vote for Trump.
Matt, substantively it is nothing, but on the noise level it is something. Are you interested in the noise or in the substance? Hillary's crimes in office far exceed Nixon's and you don't even care. I can justify not caring about Trump's foibles. Can you justify not caring about that?
Should be interesting to see this chine up in the debate. Hillary could over overplay this, and all of a sudden all of the antics and accusations against Bill and Her enabling behavior are front and center..
But yikes, what a thing to say. If the recent past is any guide,he'll go up in the polls a few points.
Gk1 said...
"No one cares at this point."
The majority of college educated white women care, so do the vast majority of minority women, a group he's already losing.
"At this point Trump needs some good news cycles."
There aren't any "good news cycles" because we simply aren't dealing with "news".
These aren't normal times at all, and the US news media certainly isn't normal and neither is politics. What you have is an authoritarian state being birthed, and a ministry of information in its early stages.
Heck, if the media and politics were normal, you probably wouldn't have either Clinton or Trump.
Like clockwork, every Friday it's something new tossed out by the Clinton campaign and then instantly echoed and published by her media minions with complete articles and comments from "shocked" people.
3 weeks ago - birther
2 weeks ago - Trump's lies
1 week ago - Miss Universe
This week - Locker room talk.
Everything to avoid talking about real issues and real problems. If Hillary is elected, then you can expect a whole bunch more of this.
Trump's statement — which is itself only words — is a confession to behavior.
Criminal behavior. Sexual assault.
I agree but all of the Trumpsters will find an excuse to ignore the obvious and forgive him because Bill Clinton, John Kennedy and Aunt Matilda's son Jeffy did the very same thing. If sexual assault was ever imposed on any woman, then Donald is good - because he is like all other men!
For example, David Begley said...
But why is this coming up now? I thought this election was about America's future and each candidate's version for same.
Perhaps it has arisen because character matters to some of us and when the candidate running against the Clintons is no better and no more honest - don't vote for him either.
PB said...
"like clockwork, every friday it's something new tossed out by the Clinton campaign"
-The Clinton campaign didn't release anything about Trump's birther theories. He owns that one all by himself.
-Trump's lies are - again - his own.
-Miss Universe was release by Clinton but, boy, Trump took the bait and made it worse!
-This locker room talk is all his too. I've seen nothing to indicate the Clinton campaign dug it up for WaPo to publish it.
"A lot of women just decided to vote for Trump."
Delusional, or very very funny.
I told you Kaine was gay, that's why he was never included in the locker room talk at Rockhurst.
I've read worse shit than this in Cosmo while waiting in the dentist office. Liberals debase our culture and our institutions, then pretend to be shocked. I'd rather than a BSing heterosexual as president than a criminal.
Well at 60 in the locker room he was talking like a high school quarterback who had laid the homecoming queen and her entire court from one end to the other; and in the girl's locker room the homecoming queen was talking about how she'd drained that football stud dry. It's 18 year old talk. Of course this was 10 years ago. Has anybody asked New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady what he said in the locker room? I don't even want to think about Mick Jagger.
And Billy Jeff Clinton is reliably reported to have complained that he'd had only 2,000 women and would never catch up to basketball great Wilt Chamberlain's twenty thousand notches on the bedpost.
So am I offended? Only in that folks are getting upset about the Trumpster's relative chump change escapades in the bedroom and boasting about it in the locker room. Grow up people. Hillary boasted about getting a guilty rapist off with a defense verdict.
If this is of any impact to your decision on Trump, you were never a "yes".
"As a fellow Washingtonian (where the final result is foreordained), I keep debating - Johnson or Trump; Johnson or Trump.
I wouldn't walk barefoot over broken glass, but I'm getting damn near to that "F**k You Corrupt Elites" vote for Trump."
I saw a poll in the last couple days on RCP, HRC was up 16 points.
So, as you noted, your decision doesn't matter. You're not sending any message to anyone.
It's interesting to me that you and Mock find some sort of catharsis in futility.
Anywho, word on the street is that this is one in a series of DJT blunders that will be rolled out at the rate of about one a week. Time will tell.
They make sound like Trump behavior is akin to Chappaquiddick..
"I've seen nothing to indicate the Clinton campaign dug it up for WaPo to publish it."
Its all one. You have a monolith system. Everything from interpretation of trucking mileage regulations to SEC rules and their adjudication to who gets invited to talk shows, thats all of a piece. You are either in the system or out of it.
and wasn't he married to Melania the architect at the time?
Hello Madame President...
Hard to imagine this costing Trump any votes.
Hey, I'm not offended. Guys lie about their sexual exploits all the time and this sounds like a lie. It's locker room bullshit, and it's stupid and Trump sounds like a jerk. But I'm not going to bother taking offense at stupid banter. Within the last week I heard just as bad between two thirtyish women in the checkout line at the Publix in Beaufort, S.C.
Suppose people were suddenly revealing all the ugly or stupid things Hillary has said. Is Trump's statement any worse than H. Clinton floating the idea of "droning" someone whose revelations are uncomfortable to her.
It may cost him the votes of women who were sitting on the fence. Those are the ones that both candidates are counting on at this point.
I don't see how pussy is degrading the culture. It open new avenues.
The possible public performances of the word haven't been tested yet.
Cunt is likely to fall into the Brit. usage, as a general term for a useless and untrustworthy person, but pussy is still free.
TradGuy really knows how to pick em.
First he was all in w/ Palin. Now this.
At some point a lightbulb should go off for him. At least there should be a flicker.
breaking news: "Pence is practicing his straight face for when he denies Trump said these things..."
Is there any chance that no one was offended?!
I wasn't offended.
Hillary Clinton immediately tweeted: "This is horrific. We cannot allow this man to become president."
Now, that's offensive!
Trump's statement — which is itself only words — is a confession to behavior.
Criminal behavior. Sexual assault.
Oh for christ's sake, you precious little snowflake. It's only "assault" if it's "unwanted," which the lawyers have done us all the service/disservice of saying means that it's the woman's discretion. His own words say that the acts ARE wanted, and if you actually think women aren't attracted to the power/fame/money he had then then you need to go back and re-think the entire body of case law on this stuff, or take a biology course or something. Of course it's possible that these acts were unwanted, but no woman's come forward with such a charge (unlike with your Hillary's husband) so there's no reason to use his own exculpatory words to presume guilt when no one's charged anything but innocence. The law doesn't say how a guy's supposed to KNOW that something's wanted/unwanted - so you have no standing to presume he was wrong in concluding that they were wanted.
And now we know which field is complicit in leading the decline of our universities into intellectually unsuccessful drone-factories of sexless PC weirdos who want to (and think they can) re-make society in their own boring and evolutionarily and culturally backward image: THE LAW.
Fuck this noise. GO back whence the rock from under which you came. Your attempt to regulate human nature will fail just like any other. Like all the others. If you want to wear a chastity belt that's fine, but stop putting one on all the other women whom you feel are so wrong to convey their attraction/lack of sexual hostility toward their perception of male success.
Just go away. Your kind have done enough damage to society.
Pussy propagation is also likely to reduce the number of things women can pretend to be offended by, which is always good.
Hillary has subverted the department of justice and the FBI and turned them into tools of corruption. She has sold the state department for donations to her slush fund.
Bill raped several women and Hillary covered for him.
Trump bragged about getting to second base with girls with some friends.
How many women are stupid enough to fall for this? I am embarrassed we have failed to raise many of our women to be so fucking stupid.
Read the comments by the majority here. Now we know why the majority of Althousians will vote for Trump, because they identify with the misogyny, the vulgarity, the sexism, the devaluization and objectifying, even aggressive behavior toward women. Congratulations Althouse, you have a real "great" bunch of male and even some female commenters.
Unknown said...
It may cost him the votes of women who were sitting on the fence.
If they are literally sitting on a fence, they might like what Trump had to say.
sinz52 tell us your excuses for Hillary.
He pops up once a day with the latest Hillary talking point. I guess he is on rounds of blogs posting his tidbit.
I'm waiting for any evidence that Trump did anything comparable to Clinton.
A partner of mine years ago said, "A woman is a life support system for a pussy." He was single at the time.
Guys used to talk that way. Democrats don't anymore. Now it's, "Right hand person."
Unknown said...
Read the comments by the majority here. Now we know why the majority of Althousians will vote for Trump, because they identify with the misogyny, the vulgarity, the sexism, the devaluization and objectifying, even aggressive behavior toward women. Congratulations Althouse, you have a real "great" bunch of male and even some female commenters.
No, you're wrong and Hillary is correct, "We cannot allow this man to become president."
This election is all about who you don't want to be president.
even aggressive behavior toward women. Congratulations Althouse, you have a real "great" bunch of male and even some female commenters.
Whereas Inga has her 50 cats.
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=y3t1T9Htau
the misogyny, the vulgarity, the sexism, the devaluization and objectifying, even aggressive behavior toward women.
The humor, don't overlook.
The only valuable taking offense it taking offense on behalf of somebody else. ("Hey, leave her alone!")
The usual kind on display today is pumping oneeself up, which is why it's funny.
Unknown, do you believe what you write?even for only the time you are writing it?
If you confess to killing someone, but no one knows their name and there is no body or other evidence, can you be convicted? No.
"because they identify with the misogyny, the vulgarity, the sexism, the devaluization and objectifying, even aggressive behavior toward women"
Once again, any charge against Trump is an even worse charge against the Clintons.
Bill Clinton in every sense of the words committed workplace sexual harassment and worse, while Hillary attacked the victims. That's not just a hot mic, that's actual misogyny, vulgarity, sexism, devaluation and objectifying, and aggressive behavior.
I abhor Trump. But can't find that Trump is worse than the Clinton's in any category, even the kind mentioned here.
What happened to Althouse's campaign to fight civility BS?
Also, I thought it was common knowledge that some women, called groupies, throw themselves at famous and successful men.
Not in Professor's mind/field. Nothing can be presumed. A girl goes up to a guy's place and they're making out, that's not consent. If she takes off her clothes and gets on top of him, even that might not be consent. Heck, she might have had a drink from a flask stowed away in her purse and you'd have never known it.
And that's what the universities think they can do. Completely do away with any natural presumption of a consensual act, along with the idea that mixed signals are not criminal. They actually think that human beings will be indoctrinated as young adults to verbally provide a description of the sex act to which they are consenting - as if this were a goddamn BDSM contract. Human nature cannot be artificially constructed by emotionally fragile and perpetually offended human nature non-experts with too much time on their hands and not enough people to aspire to control already.
But try they will. No non-verbal contexts, no acceptability of mixed signals. Human sex units are robot drones who require a fucking visible checklist, just like we do for pilots about to fly a 747 and surgeons as they scrub in. Because having a little fun, getting passionate, and possibly maneuvering each other's bodies, hands, lips, tongues and clothing such that the abomination of a penis entering a vagina might occur, is nothing short of brain surgery in the danger it poses. Emotionally. Socially. Politically.
These people are their own parodies. Just a complete bunch of jokes. Puritans who feel that the witch is inside of them, and that a penis might accidentally knock it out. And that would scare the pants off these people.
My childhood terrier was more interesting than these people. Had more to offer society, too.
Hey let's not disparage objectifying.
Without distance, women can't work. It's part of style.
Bill did it! So Trump can too, it's only fair!
I suggest that Hillary! be asked about what it's like to live with a proven sexual predator and accused rapist. Locker room talk is much different than physical sexual harassment and rape.
Actual locker rooms don't talk about women, by the way. It's only in films.
Trump's talk was some sort of bonding and competition.
He meant alpha-male ritual talk, not locker room talk.
What I would find offensive is if Trump started trumpeting climate change as the biggest threat to our republic.
When I was at a memorial service this week two women behind me were discussing the grandson of one, who had to go to the ER for a boner lasting more than four hours. That got my attention, but their voices went low, rising when the grandmother said, "But he's very very heterosexual."
This was in a Methodist church in a small town in Montana.
I doubt anyone will be shocked by Trump's locker room gossip.
Wenda (sic)
Only alpha males have anonymous women looking to offer sexual favors. Not anybody in a locker room.
Trump should have just said he was rapping, Obama would probably invite him to the White House.
Nobody should act like that. In a better world, not even close to an ideal one, we would have at least one candidate who was moral and upstanding.
But that's not the option we have.
When a porn star criticizes the work of a whore, people don't take the moralizing seriously.
"My childhood terrier was more interesting than these people."
Thats not true, human folly is way more interesting than animals. People screw up in many more interesting ways. Now, they certainly annoy you more than your dog, and amuse you less, but that is a matter of taste.
Oh, to be young in these times. So much fun to be had. So many to annoy, armored with youth and lack of responsibility.
Lol @ criminal sexual assault. Althouse heard a couple men speaking in vulgar terms about sex, got flustered, turned her brain off and jumped to a false conclusion about consent. Pretty funny, actually.
What happened to Althouse's campaign to fight civility BS?
The Big Law industries and Big University Glut industry have conspired to make sex the passionless equivalent of naked tea time. With pinkies in the air, fully clothed in best dresses, much oversight and supervision... until even young girls will be able to convince their mothers to let them "practice" at it.
The best way to learn is by example. How do Larry and Annie get it on while being assured that one is not assaulting the other? I seriously want a video demonstration. You know, it is possible for a spouse to rape their spouse, after all.
I'm not joking. I need to see how this is done, for real. So that I know. Just because I'm not someone who hates my genitals or sexuality or libido or passion as much as our betters on this blog and in the ivory tower are. I'm handicapped in not hating my anatomy/physiology as much as the most advanced and influential feminist hates hers. So her perspective is one I will never intuitively "get".
I need a demonstration from the blog-owners. Pronto.
Trump's crude-talking tape got its own segment on CBS News this evening.
Then the storm in Florida and a brief mention that Wikileaks have released some more e-mails they have received from the Russians, "including some material that might be embarrassing for the Clinton campaign."
Well now that that's settled, we can dread the scripted questions from the audience, offered as of serious concern to all of us.
When a porn star criticizes the work of a whore, people don't take the moralizing seriously.
Moralizing shouldn't be taken seriously. Morality is quite different.
Look for a guy who keeps his word, for instance.
In a better world, not even close to an ideal one, we would have at least one candidate who was moral and upstanding.
You have that world. No one's preventing your church from holding elections on whom to lead it.
Heck. Even the pope's decided by some type of decision-making process.
People who require psychological purity are not meant to be solving the actual, real-world human problems that secular politics alone offers the chance to do something useful about. But first the purity must be put aside.
Not being PC makes it a lot easier to keep your word.
It's not always love and babies (i.e. "Posterity"). Sometimes it's "benefits" and abortion. Every human has the latter orientation, but only once or never exhibit the behavior, let alone advocate for its normalization.
Welcome to the world of how men talk--all men--when it's just men.
I don't think Hillary! will be mindless enough to bring it up on Sunday night. She has been married to Bill Clinton for 40+ years.
"we would have at least one candidate who was moral and upstanding. "
Whats moral and upstanding? Being well behaved about sex?
Whats so special about sex as an occasion for sin?
Or for that matter as an issue in politics?
In the old days most men of substance anywhere kept mistresses, and few used such confidences or scandals in politics. Such as there were were memorable because they were rarely used. The Victorians weren't terribly Victorian.
Maybe it's time we just have a Prime Minister elected from the Party in majority.
Anyone here, hard-over on having a President/VP anymore?
I think it's time to let a libertarian in on the "all sex is rape" conversation hoped for here.
A real, honest-to-goodness, actual, living libertarian.
Do any exist any more? Are they here? I know this blog must be becoming harder for them to read, but their intellectual and emotional services are greatly needed at this point.
Calling all libertarians. A puritan self-gender hater is trying to dictate terms on the Trump debate. Would you mind stepping in the building, for a second?
I promise that I have consented to my offering this invitation, and forswear any attempts to blame you for any resulting regret I might feel afterward if it doesn't go my way. I presume to feel no intrusion or violation at your appearance and/or contribution - as disgusting, messy and - heaven forbid - AWKWARD as onlookers might claim to find it.
Consent is sexy!
From Dr. Strangelove:
"Our Premier is a man of the people, but he is also... a man, if you follow my meaning."
The Victorians weren't terribly Victorian.
Right. But the feminist Puritan prudes of America are a different story.
They hate their vaginas and are paranoid of penises.
Don't even get them started on the topic of any mixing of the two. Just like, instant nausea and trauma. Permanent emotional scarring.
The response in a literal kind will speak of Clinton's enabling her husband's stable full of feminine clumps of cells for wealth, pleasure, leisure, and democratic leverage.
"You know, it is possible for a spouse to rape their spouse, after all."
I don't think that is (or should be) debatable, here.
Every now and then you hear about some Muslim countries that say a man can't rape his wife.
That said, I expect more of this sort of thing about Trump.
Not the end of it by all means.
"so do the vast majority of minority women, a group he's already losing."
WTF? Trump is losing the vast majority of minority women? If only he could replicate Nixon's, Ford's, Reagan's, McCain's, Romney's, and the Bush's electoral success with this key Republicen demographic.
I've said many times Hillary is sure to win the Presidency for a number of baked-in reasons that have nothing to do with Trump. But it occurs to me that once she does win, the Trump diversion goes away and there's no one to talk about but Hillary in all her boundlessly corrupt glory.
The ever increasing Republican majority in the Congress and Senate are going to whip her like a rented mule. Metaphorically, natch.
"Maybe it's time we just have a Prime Minister elected from the Party in majority."
I support this. It really does work better as a response to the public will, and a true check&balance than the current US system, especially after the rise of the bureaucratic state.
The all-powerful bureaucracy has broken the US political model.
There is no check on that through normal politics in the US. With a parliament you do, or do better.
A parliamentary system also avoids the worst of the truly stupid personal politics of the US system. You vote for a legislature, voting for a representative and/or a party. It is more of a professional relationship, not a personal one.
Strasser: [after Laszlo leads the band in playing the French national anthem] You see what I mean? If Laszlo's presence in a cafe can inspire this unfortunate demonstration, what more will his presence in Casablanca bring on? I advise that this place be shut up at once.
Renault: But everybody's having such a good time.
Strasser: Yes, much too good a time. The place is to be closed.
Renault: But I've no excuse to close it!
Strasser: Find one.
[Strasser leaves, ending the conversation; Renault walks into the middle of the room and blows his whistle]
Renault: Everybody is to leave here immediately! This cafe is closed until further notice. Clear the room, at once!
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Renault: I am shocked- shocked- to find that gambling is going on in here!
Croupier: [hands Renault money] Your winnings, sir.
Renault: Oh, thank you very much. Everybody out at once!
"there's no one to talk about but Hillary in all her boundlessly corrupt glory."
Talk is useless, power and money is all. You can scream all you like, this will not matter in the least. The modern US system relies entirely on the executive, nothing else matters.
Dear George Ferko. All men do not talk like that. I have never heard any of my friends talk that way. When it came to women most guys were pretty respectful, even at my my dad's hunting camp and my Navy Patrol Squadron. I think if anyone did talk that way most guys would be pretty offended.
I don't think that is (or should be) debatable, here.
I'm not debating it!
I'm asking to know where the presumption of non-consent ends.
Professor doesn't have an answer. And the universities say make it all verbal. Every time. All the time.
WHich begs the question of what documentation or evidence is acceptable/necessary for THAT. You know, if you didn't record it on your cell phone, it didn't happen.
Every now and then you hear about some Muslim countries that say a man can't rape his wife.
That used to happen here. That's why there's nothing wrong with revising the standard to make sure it's understood that matrimony is no rape accusation shield. So it's ok to go as far as they want there.
What I'm asking is if there is any standard for actual consent. Or at least, non-criminality in sexual activity. Cause I don't think there is one. I think that the Puritan PC Police controlling our society through the kids that we've closed off blue collar work to won't stop. There is no bright line around which they will draw a boundary and say, "Ok. Now THAT IS consent!"
And that's because their motivation is anti-sex. And anti-nature. Not anti-rape.
"Look for a guy who keeps his word, for instance."
Yes. I'm with you on this. I'd be happy with a gal or guy who keeps their word. Someone with good character is rare in politics, however.
California is a dual consent recording state. Unless Trump and whoever recorded this consented to be recorded it is illegal to record/release this. Not that legality has ever bothered a Clinton or the Democrats.
But R&B,
"But the feminist Puritan prudes of America are a different story."
This is why I suggest you go some distance afield and find a good woman elsewhere to marry.
It would do you a world of good.
Something like this would finish off Pence. For Trump, it's baked into the cake. This is just the first wave. There will be other, juicier items. Any girl with a story to tell about Bill Clinton knows by now to keep her mouth shut. On the other hand, any girl with a story to tell about Donald Trump will be honored and richly rewarded. They're both players but the game is rigged in Clinton's favor.......It doesn't sound creepy so much as outlandish and jocular. It was private talk. For me, at least, these revelations generate more sympathy than disgust. You just know that if Bill Clinton had even been caught on a hot mic NBC would not be releasing the audio any time soon. Newsweek tried to bury the Monica story before Drudge scooped them........The revelations about Hillary are said to be from the Russians and only traitors would pay any attention to them. A true patriotic American would ignore them.
Congress controls the money, without which there is no power. Crazy prediction: Paul Ryan is sworn in as President sometime before 2020.
Somewhat jocularly, it also occurs to me that this may help Trump with the Brothers. Who are they going to identify with? This player or the old white beyotch.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuMlhMlW8AASOlu.jpg:large
played...
_...a good woman elsewhere to marry.
It would do you a world of good._
Lol. I KNOW that. Not arguing. Agreeing through personal experience. There are a couple in the U.S. that are at least dateable, if not marriageable. But I would be very careful. Make sure she earns at least 75% of what you do, at the least - if you want to go there. Either that or pre-nup. This is the land of opportunism; you've GOT to protect your assets. Love is expensive here, marriage is cheap. And vindictiveness is the surest path to success.
Donny said something vulgar and stupid. Years ago.
Bill engaged in actual unwanted sex, and in all likelihood, sexually assaulted women.
Hillary played her role is not believing them.
Hillary Clinton, In Paid Speeches To Wall Street, Promoted Commission That Pushed Social Security Cuts
is = in
I just signed out of MSN.
Two headlines:
"Trump recorded having lewd talk about women in '05"
"Emails show part of Clinton speeches to Goldman"
Which of those is more scandalous? Which should be?
Which revelation more important to running the country?
The fact that some people will hesitate to answer that last one correctly tells you everything we need to know about the horrible state of the nation, and how it got that way.
Donny said something vulgar and stupid. Years ago.
Bill engaged in actual unwanted sex, and in all likelihood, sexually assaulted women.
Hillary played her role is not believing them.
Exactly.
Not only that. She actually defamed them.
Feminists don't care about consent. They care about power.
We are doomed. Thank God the President's power has been neutered. Probably not enough.
"Congress controls the money, without which there is no power."
Not anymore they don't. They can't afford to buck the executive who can threaten them with a shutdown, which he(or she) completely controls. The system is much too important for too many people to make this politically viable.
They can't even pick & choose what parts to fund and not fund. The executive can retaliate, easy-peasy, just make it a horrorshow with something vital.
And, as the system controls the press (or the parts of it with the balance of political influence, so far) and the schools, and all the bien pensants, the interpretation of all this will be under the executives control.
You have an authoritarian system with no checks&balances.
They can't afford to buck the executive if the executive is popular. If not, they can crap on the executive around the clock. Did you sleep through 2006-08?
And so go my sadly dashed hopes for Trump to be elected Church-Leader-in-Chief.
Good thing that Hillary's such a girl scout. Hey, those women she trashed and defamed were sluts! Which means they somehow must have had it coming. Including Bill's unwanted advances.
The type of advances no one's accused Trump of making.
Welcome To Professor Althouse's Law of Sexual Politics Class.
This is how men speak. Sorry but true. True in pool room, on golf course, in smoke shop, with my uncle on thanksgiving. I am tired of this neutered culture
And women have sex toy product demonstration parties. Not sorry, yes true.
" If not, they can crap on the executive around the clock. Did you sleep through 2006-08?"
I think I was awake, though I may have misunderstood my condition, as usual.
Anyway, it all depends on who controls the press. No Republicans or conservatives will get fair treatment no matter what, the entire system is centrally controlled. It does not matter a bit if the executive is popular, the Democrat does not need to be sold to the publicity machine that's his organizational ally. This is a corporatist system.
Name any bad thing Trump is supposed to have done and Bill with Hillary did it worse and also they did things Trump has never done. They stole more, corrupted more people at a higher level, attacked more women, ruined a political party, lowered the tone of political life, cynically exploited black loyalty, did trade deals that were bad for Americans in return for cash payoffs, supported abortion, betrayed allies, abandoned the ambassador and his protectors, jailed innocent people.
The Wapo doesn't put these things on the front page but these are all things that did happen or are happening to people. And more and worse will happen to people if Hillary is elected and the Wapo won't cover those events either.
So I see the lefty outrage as selective. Today - bad Trump. Tomorrow for the same thing but worse - good Hillary. And if they can disregard the steaming pile of manure that is piled in the Bill and Hill past then we can disregard the smaller pile in the Trump past. And if we don't - then the USA will become just another group, just some people Bill and Hill can use, abuse and kick into the gutter. So choose the best you can get. I say Trump is the better choice.
Rhythm and Balls you can find a safe space over at Breitbart. I swear they will think you're genius over there.
As I observed elsewhere, Hillary will be the first President who can't attend a MLB game for fear of being booed to the echo. In America, that's a very real kind of powerlessness. I don't think Congress is going to feel as constrained as they did with Obama.
"I swear they will think you're genius over there."
a) compliment to RB
b) belittling of Alt Right fans and the folks who hang w/ these deplorables
c) both a) and b)
"Bill did it! So Trump can too, it's only fair!"
No, Trump has not been accused of rape. Bill has been by a pretty credible accuser. Even Stephanopolis admitted he went to that hotel room to try to discredit her story in 1992 and he couldn't do it.
BTW, why didn't Wiki leak when then originally said they would?
Anywho, doing so did make for some fun Alex Jones clips:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/alex-jones-julian-assange-butt-plug
Well then maybe they have a point, Matt. You actually think university PC culture is leading in this society? On sex, gender, class, or racial progress? I have a bridge to sell you if you do. Universities are following socially, not leading - and they're not even following well. And degrading themselves into a narrow concept of civic life where critical thinking makes no difference.
The universities have become a scam; their "scholarship" in the non-sciences no less so. You can't have a tripling of admissions and tuition rates, a complete shutting down of manufacturing and all non-college paths to a decent living and think that the quality of what goes on there wouldn't suffer. I'm surprised they don't print college diplomas on McDonalds receipts.
If you think this is a right-wing argument then more power to you. It's basic reality. Demand has outstripped what supply can do for it.
Democrats are ready to be deeply offended by anything a Republican says or does concluding it's proof Republicans are Nazis, but the same thing done or said by a Democrat gets a pass.
All's for the best in this best of all possible worlds.
As a woman, I do not care what he said, especially at this point. I'll still take him over Hillary the Hun in a heartbeat. I grew up with only boys (seven of them, and all their friends) and there's not much guys can say in "guy" conversations that shocks me. It quickly becomes a dick fight over who can say the most outrageous thing.
Should he be ashamed? Sure. He needs to apologize for being such an ass, and move on to beating Hillary's ass in this race.
"The universities have become a scam; their "scholarship" in the non-sciences no less so. "
True, in spades. This even in "good" schools, in the UC's.
The kids went to better high and middle schools than most of what they got in these fields as UC undergrads.
"I'm surprised they don't print college diplomas on McDonalds receipts."
In some schools they may as well. Warm body is all that's needed.
"If you think this is a right-wing argument then more power to you. It's basic reality"
True. The Soviet Union would not have tolerated the stupidity and laxness of US schools. They would have had their own version of PC but they certainly would have taught literature.
I don't know if ALL the problem is due to watering-down. You see the same low standards in K-12 where universal attendance was always the norm. And you see low standards even in colleges that, to the degree that SAT/ACT testing means something, have not reduced their intake standards. Still, you have a point about a great many, they have indeed relaxed intake standards.
My favorite comment:
When a porn star criticizes the work of a whore, people don't take the moralizing seriously.
"Democrats are ready to be deeply offended by anything a Republican says or does concluding it's proof Republicans are Nazis, but the same thing done or said by a Democrat gets a pass."
Plenty of y'all are eager to give DJT a pass, e.g. some of you have said that all men say this stuff and try to sleep w/ married women by furniture shopping w/ them. Would these same commenters make excuses for BHO if he talked about furniture shopping as leverage in the pursuit of grabbing a married woman's pussy, or something like that?
After all of these comments, one thing I can't understand. Why do you guys come to Althouse to rant?
The trouble is that the left thinks that a double standard is twice as good.
Scott Adams' tweet is funny if nothing else: "Trump's bid for Sainthood officially ended today. I think he's still available for Kennedy-type jobs."
I've never pursued a married women. In fact I've had several try to bed me. And, two of these were very hot, and we had amazing chemistry. It was extremely hard to pass that up.
But, I did.
My favorite comment:
When a porn star criticizes the work of a whore, people don't take the moralizing seriously.
Why is this comment getting such traction? I don't even get it. Who's the porn star? Both Trump and Hillary are in love with their own self-images, so I'd say both. But Hillary seems like getting paid for selling herself a lot more than Trump does. Trump doesn't mind walking away from a deal that he feels offended by. Can someone tell me when Hillary's ever walked away from a financial offer... of any sort?
I don't mind porn stars. "Whores" seem a little less savory, but who knows what's a "whore" any more in this money-means-everything-your-life-means-nothing culture. I do know that slut shaming is stupid - because the gatekeepers on who defines a slut are the girls in school who know how little they have to offer a guy other than the promise of what's between her legs. I think the sluts are actually better people, because they seem to be rightly more confident of their ability to impress with their personalities, intelligence and all the other things that AREN'T just between their legs. They don't look at their pussies as the last chance to impress - break glass only in case of emergency.
We rant because we can.
It is awkward to rant on the streets. People are not amused, or at least I haven't the hang of ranting on Powell and Market, as some do.
I shall aspire to their ranting abilities once I retire.
Rhythm and Balls
The problem is you are overthinking it. Trump's words here pretty much speak for themselves and just because some 'normal' people talk like doesn't mean it's not news and it doesn't mean women won't find them a tad offensive. You also have bigger fish to fry but they are meaningless because politics is gut level [and gutter level] most of the time. But we are free to be offended every so often. Clearly Republicans are offended by the Clintons but it's not as if their escapades have not been reported. Is there a voter alive who doesn't know about Bill's affairs? Some are offended while some are not. Same applies to Trump's words [and maybe actions?]. I call it a wash.
Take away the star-fucking sexual assault angle and it is disqualifying. The idiot confessed this to Billy Bush. A man can have those thoughts and opinions, but you should never ever utter them and if you do, it's your consigliere only.
Drumphf cannot be trusted with his hands on the chicken switch because he can't resist running his cock-sucker to impress cunts (the British usage that only applies to males) and douche-bags.
After all of these comments, one thing I can't understand. Why do you guys come to Althouse to rant?
Because it's more fun than watching you come here to submit.
Some people actually like debate and argumentation. Allegedly, even Althouse does.
If you want blind agreement and consensus with an Amen choir then go join a cult.
@Hagar said...
Trump's crude-talking tape got its own segment on CBS News this evening.
Then the storm in Florida and a brief mention that Wikileaks have released some more e-mails they have received from the Russians, "including some material that might be embarrassing for the Clinton campaign."
OK! now we know why the timing of this bullshit was so important! Hillary has GOT to keep her crimes off the front page, and this salacious crap is just the thing. Like throwing a dog a bone the media trips over their own feet to snap up 11 year old nonsense.
I have heard men talk like this all my life and no locker room was needed to set the stage. I will say it was more prevalent among "working class" guys. Go work a construction jobsite sometime. 99% of it was not true. Men often struggle for status and acceptance in male groups by saying things that shock their peers. This is no secret. I learned about this in college ban in the 1970's. Why are people acting so shocked?
ans: Their bullshit agendas.
I don't think that present or future stories about Trump's boorish behavior or Hillary's corruption will move opinion much.
Everyone that supports Trump knows he's been in the entertainment business for decades, including beauty pageants and professional wrestling, boorish behavior and controversial soundbites are part of the job.
Everyone that supports Hillary knows she's been a politician for decades, corruption and lying are part of the job.
But that's just my opinion.
"If you want blind agreement and consensus with an Amen choir then go join a cult."
There aren't any more good sex cults today, because of PC police.
Gennifer Flowers in a DailyMail article on Drudge right now.
"Gennifer said: ‘I don’t know Huma or the Weiners. I just know what Bill told me and that was that he was aware that Hillary was bisexual and he didn’t care. He should know.
'He said Hillary had eaten more p***y than he had.’
First sentence cracked me up. Last one is concerning, between the two of them that's quite a bit of extramarital activity, and I wouldn't want my daughter anywhere near the White House should they, God forbid, both get back in.
This election is so dire.
...I call it a wash.
Althouse called Trump an admitted practitioner of sexual assault. Talk about overthinking it. I call bullshit and a horrifying double-standard, given how much way more than circumstantial evidence there is of Clinton going beyond even his addiction to peccadilloes. Or feeling like a bad BOY! Or whatever his deal is. The media pounce reflex on Trump is wound so much more tightly than the reaction to Clinton (and his holier-than-thou wife's slut-shaming) as to be a farce.
But then, we are a slut-shaming society. Selling out, though? Selling out is awesome. Let's sell out the country, our feminist principles, whatever it takes. Winning is everything. Like I said though, at least Trump's not afraid to walk away from a deal.
Regardless, my criticism was more social and legal than political. But there you have it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NeilTurner_/status/784497335124525059
(Video link in tweet)
All men do not talk like that. I have never heard any of my friends talk that way.
Not even at a barn raising or rumspringa?
Theranter: Let's stipulate Hill is Humming the rug in Brooklyn. She is not fucking bragging about it to a third-rate scion host of a dreck TV show. Instead, she knows how to keep secrets. That's kinda important in world affairs.
oops BACK in the 1970's
Women will always despise the talk men engage in, but speak far more explicitly when they are alone among their peers.
eddie: the first rule of fight club...
"at least Trump's not afraid to walk away from a deal."
Is that a euphemism for his not succeeding? I'm not sure "walking away" full explains it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-businesses-failures-successes-2016-10/#24-projects-the-times-concluded-didnt-work-out-1
More deplorable together!
Bubba rapes Juanita. Trump brags about groping. Hillary demands submission.
Aren't modern times great?
"Rt1 Rebel said...
I don't think that present or future stories about Trump's boorish behavior or Hillary's corruption will move opinion much.
Everyone that supports Trump knows he's been in the entertainment business for decades, including beauty pageants and professional wrestling, boorish behavior and controversial soundbites are part of the job.
Everyone that supports Hillary knows she's been a politician for decades, corruption and lying are part of the job.
But that's just my opinion.
10/7/16, 7:40 PM"
It's October. Most people have already decided who they're voting for.
This, and all the rest of the "surprises" in store are meant to move the people who are still undecided.
So if we spend the next four weeks talking about nothing but Trump's crudeness, Hillary wins. If we spend the next four weeks talking about nothing but Hillary's corruption, Trump wins. Or at least that's the theory.
Amadeus 48: getting the vapors over small indiscretions because we live in such a squeeky-clean safe space compared with the not-so-distant past is the sure sign of a snowflake.
This is nothing but a natural consequence flowing from everything that the left has worked decades to achieve. So what's their gripe?
Trump was toast after he dropped the ball in the first debate. It's over. Today was just the start of the skank that will be flowing out of Dronald's ass for the next month.
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