October 8, 2016

Trump wasn't bragging about male prowess. He was insulting the women.

This is what I'm thinking as I find myself responding to some on Facebook — in an unlinkable place — who wondered why Trump would brag about getting so much access to beautiful women.

I wrote:
Maybe that's not the real substance of the brag. I'm thinking it's more: These women are so pathetic. O'Dell stood up to me, but even she was lame, because she went and got her breasts inflated. The rest of them, they just fall into your hands because you're a star. It's nothing special [that they do] for him. It's for all stars. Women are low. Women are shallow. Doesn't that message make sense? The fact that he's old underscores this message: The women are going for the man's status. In that light, it's not even a brag. It's misogyny, justified (from his point of view).
ADDED: O'Dell came out with a statement this afternoon. It's so anodyne I want to delete it as unbloggable, but I'll leave it:
"Politics aside, I’m saddened that these comments still exist in our society at all," she wrote. "When I heard the comments yesterday, it was disappointing to hear such objectification of women. The conversation needs to change because no female, no person, should be the subject of such crass comments, whether or not cameras are rolling. Everyone deserves respect no matter the setting or gender. As a woman who has worked very hard to establish her career, and as a mom, I feel I must speak out with the hope that as a society we will always strive to be better."
Everyone deserves respect? Then do we have to respect Trump? I've been in the mood to disrespect him bigly, but, okay... I'll try. Perhaps inside he's weak and lonely. Are not the women who fall into his hands objectifying him? And isn't he objectifying himself? He's a thing — "automatically attracted." An automaton is not a person. "It's like a magnet." A magnet is a thing. Where is the person? He grabs for the body part, like a baby, grabbing for mommy. And then he's outraged that the woman he reached out to has "now got the big phony tits." Mommy is not real...

Sad!

132 comments:

tcrosse said...

"Heav'n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn'd, Nor Hell a Fury, like a Woman scorn'd."

Fabi said...

Women very often go for status -- more often than not, in my experience. Why is his assessment misogyny?

Chanie said...

This emotional, knee-jerk, irrational reaction your having speaks volumes. Trump is an ass who likes to talk about getting a piece of ass. Hillary coldly calculated to circumvent sunshine laws (never mind that she bobbled confidential information in the process). Trump is unfit to date my daughter, but she's unfit to serve in government, and the fact that you are hung up on something so unimportant is sad.

Jack Wayne said...

Good Lord! You're screwing this topic into the ground.

gspencer said...

"The rest of them, they just fall into your hands because you're a star. It's nothing special [that they do] for him. It's for all stars. Women are low. Women are shallow. Doesn't that message make sense? The fact that he's old underscores this message: The women are going for the man's status."

That quote was lifted, word for word, from, "I'm a Hard Man: The Autobiography of Ted Kennedy."

Fabi said...

Or could it be that all those supermodels dated Kissinger because he was tall and oh, so handsome? Yeah, that's the ticket!

Mike Sylwester said...

Women throw themselves at some men.

Here's an article titled "How Women Throw Themselves At Pro Athletes".

http://deadspin.com/5914355/how-women-throw-themselves-at-pro-athletes-and-vice-versa-a-publicist-explains

Women throw themselves at some politicians -- at the Kennedys, at Bill Clinton, at Trump, etc.

n.n said...

Some women are chauvinist pigs. Some women are Slut Walkers. Some women are sexual revolutionaries. Some women will even choose to abort their unwanted or inconvenient child, or advocate for the rite. Some women are a mystery.

It's a teachable moment, but not the way it has been framed and exploited. It's biology 101 wrapped in a [degenerative] liberal ideology.

Mike Sylwester said...

All those movie producers, directors and actors who hate Trump.

Do you imagine that they do NOT talk about women just like this among themselves?

Pettifogger said...

Trump is a despicable person. With different choices, that would likely affect my decision to vote for him. But in her own way Hillary is also despicable. And I think it likely she would damage the country even more than he would.

Early in the primaries, I thought Trump was a joke and that he would fall out. Even later when Texas finally had a primary, I voted for someone else. But now either despicable Trump or despicable Hillary will be president. I can't change that as much as I would prefer to. I have to choose. To borrow a phrase from "The Life of Riley" (an ancient TV sitcom), what a revolting development this is.

n.n said...

Note to women, beautiful, pretty, and cute: lose your liberal ideology and Pro-Choice quasi-religion. That way lies taxable, serviceable, democratically exploitable commodities, and debased human life. Somethings should never be normalized.

Mike Sylwester said...

Warren Beatty had sex with about 12,000 women, because he was a famous movie star.

He's a famous Democrat too, and he talks just like this about women with his fellow producers, directors and actors.

Trump was visiting a soap-opera set when this conversation happened. Trump was just fitting in with the manner of conversations that all these entertainers conduct with each other all the time.

Meade said...

"It's so anodyne I want to delete it as unbloggable, but I'll leave it"

I could use an anodyne or two right about now. This election is painful. But the one anodyne HillaryTrump gives me... don't do anything... at all.

Maybe Gary Johnson has something to ease my pain.

Clayton Hennesey said...

Good Lord! You're screwing this topic into the ground.

My perception is just the opposite, that, like a greased pig, Professor Althouse has no grasp of the topic at all - not that that is ever an impediment to blogging.

The random free association she performs to produce this post is far more interesting as a phenomenon in its own right that anything Trump said.

MayBee said...

I'm guessing Trump was in a lot of situations where women had been curated specifically for the event.

Ann Althouse said...

"Warren Beatty had sex with about 12,000 women, because he was a famous movie star."

From the Vanity Fair interview I blogged the other day:

"In another biography, the author publicized his book “by saying some insane number of involvements with women”—12,775—“and if you stopped and thought about it, I’m now a married person of 24 years, and I believe in doing the right thing, and I’ve never been secretive that I had a rather religious youth, and that I didn’t begin this until late—you know, the age of 20. So I would have had to have been with something like three or four people a day, and nobody twice, ever!” With 24 years off for good behavior, that comes to approximately 342 women a year. And so he’s perhaps right in quoting Napoleon: “History is a set of lies that people have agreed upon.”"

EDH said...

Women are shallow. Doesn't that message make sense? The fact that he's old underscores this message: The women are going for the man's status. In that light, it's not even a brag. It's misogyny, justified (from his point of view).

Althouse seems to be making this about all women, when Trump was talking of the women, particularly in entertainment industry circles, who who trade on their looks for access and are drawn to or seduced by men of wealth and power.

You know, the type of woman that most other women love to hate.

Jason said...

I'm a lot more bothered by the way Hillary talks to her staff and Secret Service detail than by anything I've ever heard Trump say.

Mike Sylwester said...

Do you imagine that John Kennedy did not seduce married women?

Do you imagine that Ted Kennedy did not seduce married women?

Do you imagine that Bill Clinton did not seduce married women?

It wasn't difficult for any of those Democrats. Married women threw themselves at them.

And they all -- the men and women -- bragged about it to their friends.

Trump is different only because his conversation was recorded.

Meade said...

"Random free association" is a Classical Liberal value.

rcocean said...

Trump was just telling the truth. Certain women will do anything to get close to power and money.

No doubt, Althouse wants to defend her "sisters" - but that's the difference between men and women. No man would defend other men - no matter how they behave. Every men admits there are "bad guys".

Women - OTOH - want to believe all women are "good" - in theory. Every women is somehow them. They personalize everything.

But when women find another woman who "lets down the side" in real life - watch out!

Ann Althouse said...

"The random free association she performs to produce this post is far more interesting as a phenomenon in its own right that anything Trump said."

More interesting than Trump. I embrace that compliment. And I don't mean that I grab the pussy of that compliment. It's a decorous, friendly embrace — an air kiss or fist bump, if you will.

Ken B said...

Are you seriously asking why a man who brags would brag to other men about bedding beautiful women? Jibbers crabst you must be shitting me.

AJ Lynch said...

The multiple posts by Althouse are evidence Rrhardin is spot on about women.

Darrell said...

Here's a pro-tip for this Halloween kidz--Say "pussy" three times and politically-dead, globalist- and- amnesty supporting GOP candidates will appear. I got Paul Ryan and Jeb! Bush. Try it at home, but have a shotgun full of salt ready to go.

Ann Althouse said...

"No doubt, Althouse wants to defend her "sisters" - but that's the difference between men and women."

Where did I do that? I took my shots. Why didn't you notice? Not randomly free-associative enough to catch your fancy?

Kathryn51 said...

Trump objectifies women. Or, he insults them. Or he brags about his star power (I don't think his statements were about his own personal magnetism ("prowess") so much as the magnetism of power.

And Hillary - well Hillary allowed (or even authorized) her minions to slime numerous women - trailer trash, etc. She slimed the Benghazi families. She says that "we" are always to believe victims - unless they are her victims or Bill's victims or Huma's victims or Cheryl's victims.

I've always disliked Trump and I don't want to vote for him. But when I die, I will know that I am blameless in the Hillary Presidency.

AReasonableMan said...

Melania issued the following statement: ''The words my husband used are unacceptable and offensive to me. This does not represent the man that I know. He has the heart and mind of a leader. I hope people will accept his apology, as I have, and focus on the important issues facing out nation and the world.'

There is a cynical reading of this, I prefer the less cynical take. Difficult choice for misogynists.

SOJO said...

He's so full of shit.

This is like a moral replay of Clinton/Lewinsky with the Steinems supporting Bill Clinton, only then the GOP could pretend to be a kind of hypocritical 'deal with the devil' safe harbor in the traditionalist sense (see 'Right Wing Women'). Those days are gone. Good thing this site has prepared me. (Thanks Laslo!! And your many fans!!! You're talented. Arguably, so is Woody Allen. Thanks Melania, for taking a break from your Architectural Career to get those escort fake tits and suck some orange dick!)

Individualists only, now. It's gotten both much better in some ways and much worse. As I've said before with Hillary, she has had to sell her soul to stay in, but I can understand why she saw little choice.

jj121957 said...

Trump is rough around the edges. Hillary is rotten to the core.

sane_voter said...

Thought experiment: Hillary is recorded saying something equally outlandish 10 years ago and it gets released. I can not imagine even one Dem establishment politician would drop their endorsement of her or ask her to get out of the race.

rcocean said...

Its easy for successful men to be cynical about women or as Trump or Clinton would say "Pussy".

You don't change, but somehow when you become rich and famous the same good looking babes who before wouldn't look twice at you - or make you crawl over broken glass for a date - now fling themselves at you.

Women don't experience this. If you're a hot young chick, you don't get more dates because you got a promotion or now drive a Lexus, instead of a corolla.

Ken B said...

I don't get your conclusion from the 342 calculation. Are you suggesting that's an implausibly high number? It's not, it's an entirely feasible number, which supports Mike Sylwester's point.

Isn't this like Trump's shooting on Fifth Avenue comment? A jaundiced and exaggerated but insightful observation?

rcocean said...

Of course, its different with Law professors. I'm sure Althouse got a lot more male attention after she became a tenured professor.

William said...

I think billionaires and show biz stars hang around different locker rooms than the rest of us.......I wonder why the public spirited citizens who leaked this and his income tax return didn't think to make these idealistic gestures during the Republican primaries when Trump's candidacy could have been stopped. One of those mysteries we will never solve.......Republicans can take some kind of comfort in the fact that more Republicans are abandoning Trump for his transgressions than ever abandoned Clinton or Ted Kennedy. They can claim the moral high ground as opposed to the Oval Office......I think Hillary will win the election, but she wins in a way that diminishes her legitimacy and support. These candidates and their election campaigns both stink.

Unknown said...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/trump-bragged-about-ivankas-body-inspecting-naked-women.html

Trump not only disrespects women in general but he disprespects his own daughter.

Less than a day after a recording emerged of Donald Trump bragging about groping women off-camera during a 2005 appearance on Access Hollywood, CNN’s KFile has published the results of a review of newly-uncovered recordings of Trump’s appearances on Howard Stern’s radio show. Among the comments they uncovered is Trump once again referring to his daughter Ivanka in a sexual nature, telling Stern that the radio host can refer to her as “a piece of ass” and commenting that “she’s actually always been very voluptuous.”

rcocean said...

Even an average Joe like me has experienced this. No girl in HS gave me a second look until I became a Senior on the Varsity HS football team - somehow my good looks, great legs, and chess club membership didn't matter, only my Letterman's jacket.

The same is true in my adult life. Its amazing how 'Sexy' I became when I was promoted to supervisor.

rcocean said...

Of course, chick-magnets like Meade have never experienced this.

AReasonableMan said...

William said...
Republicans can take some kind of comfort in the fact that more Republicans are abandoning Trump for his transgressions than ever abandoned Clinton or Ted Kennedy.


Last time I saw the numbers, a greater fraction of Republicans were planning to vote for Trump than Dems for Clinton, not by a lot but still more. You might argue that the latest news will change things. I doubt it. It will motivate more Dems and independents to vote against Trump.

Mike Sylwester said...
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Diogenes of Sinope said...

One reason Trump's vulgar insult is generating so much vitriol is that his base facts are correct. There is nothing that increases a person of the opposite sex’s tolerance for bad behavior, mediocre looks, advanced age or disgusting habits like wealth power and fame.

Harold said...

Does Trump hate women? Is he really a misogynist?

No.

The answer is obvious. His problem is really kind of the opposite, He likes them- a lot. Someone who really doesn't like women doesn't make it to wife #3. And if he does, isn't on speaking terms with Wife # 1 and #2. Much loess having them say nice things about him, as Trump's former wives have. That's pretty good evidence he likes women and is not a misogynist.

Does he hire women? Yes- To real positions, with real responsibilities. Not a useless and meaningless position such as head of head of the Diversity and Equal Opportunity Office. But to build skyscrapers, as he did with Barbara Res. Apparently he has a number of women in high real positions of authority in his organization. Not a sign of a misogynist.

Now, does he talk crudely? Well, sure seems that way. But would he leave a woman to drown in his car as a Democrat hero did? I'll bet he wouldn't. That's real misogyny, and Democrats loved Teddy, the Lion of the Senate. Well, in the first place, he wouldn't be driving drunk- he doesn't drink. So the scenario would never occur. Hey, he's a New York City male involved in the high end construction and real estate industry. All the ones I've met in that field, on any level from the top on down to the guys who carried the tool bags for the skilled tradesmen, are crude. It's part of their culture.

Would I rather he didn't talk that way? Sure, I would. At this point, do I care? Not one whit. Trump isn't a threat to the first and second amendments. His opponent is. Don't need any other reasons to vote against her. But her multiple lies, her breaking clearly written law on handling classified documents, her setting up a private server to avoid FOIA, all of these and more just add to the reasons, and all are each by themselves sufficient reason to vote against her.

Mike Sylwester said...

I would have had to have been with something like three or four people a day

I read a biography of Warren Beatty. He commonly had sex with three or four different women a day.

In 25 years there are 9,125 days. The way Beatty went at it, he could have sex with 12,000 different women.

I read a biography of Errol Flynn too. He had sex with thousands of women.

Male celebrities have sex with many different women, and when male celebrities talk with each other, they talk about women just like Trump did.

Fabi said...

ARM: the latest FDU poll shows 80% of Democrats supporting Clinton and 76% of Republicans supporting Trump.

Ken B said...

How did Kissinger get away with saying "Power is the best aphrodisiac"? It's misogyny.

AprilApple said...

Nah, He's a sucker for a beautiful women and he, as a rich wealthy famous guy, gets em'. He was rejected, so he mocked her fake boobs.

Nothing new here.

n.n said...

He was identifying the victims of female chauvinism, progressive liberal ideology, the gods, the judges, and the Pro-Choice quasi-religion from the twilight zone.

Clayton Hennesey said...

To get a sense of how absurdist the response taking Trump's pussy comment as a statement of literal battery he actually performed upon a real woman at a particular time, imagine if we did the same thing every time a woman said "He hit on me."

Explain why we should take her less literally than the hysterics are taking Trump, or why we should take Trump more literally than we take her.

With respect to too many adults who ought to know better, explaining Trump is like a sitcom about teaching English idioms to an ESL class far more often than it needs to be.

...the press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.

dreams said...

Its sad that these same people defended and stood by Bill Clinton. We're doomed.

Fabi said...

Harold: not only did Trump make Res the construction manager for his signature project -- Trump Tower -- but when he did so it was unprecedented to place a woman in that position. The claims of misogyny are off the mark.

AReasonableMan said...

Fabi said...
the latest FDU poll shows 80% of Democrats supporting Clinton and 76% of Republicans supporting Trump.


These are very bad numbers for both candidates. I can't find the poll where I saw Trump having an edge on this. I remember it because it was not what I had expected. I think these numbers will improve for both candidates when push comes to shove at the polling booth but maybe there will end up being more R defections.

R.J. Chatt said...

Any relationship coach will tell you that men need and want to feel they have worked for and earned the trust and love of a woman who they desire and ultimately respect. So if a woman just gives herself or allows herself to be easily taken just because the man is rich, famous, etc., she not only demeans herself but she demeans the man because he feels he has not earned that trust, i.e., the right to have sex with her. In a way he perhaps feels like a thief or even a rapist and sees her as a person lacking in self esteem.

How can a man respect a woman with no self esteem? It goes against human nature, we simply do not respect others who don't respect themselves.

In discussing his courtship with Melania, Donald Trump makes this very clear that he had to work very hard to get her, to win her over. So no, those crude comments did not represent the totality of Trump or his opinion of all women.

CStanley said...

I can't believe I'm defending him because I dislike Trump intensely, will not vote for him, and think that these comments were gross, but:

Women are low. Women are shallow. Doesn't that message make sense? The fact that he's old underscores this message: The women are going for the man's status. In that light, it's not even a brag. It's misogyny, justified (from his point of view).

Is just dumb, and an unfair reading. His comments were not about all women, they were about a specific group of women who behave in certain ways around him. It seems pretty obvious to me that he's the type of man who sees some women as worthy of respect and some worthy of ogling and groping. This is hardly a shock, and frankly, fair or not, to some degree most men likely feel this way and some of it is biological wiring and women should own up to their own actions that exploit this instead of claiming victim status when they are objectified. For that matter though, you are claiming the victim status when we have little or no evidence that any of the women he referenced felt there was anything non-consensual about their interactions with him.

I do agree with your later assessment that he basically insults himself and objectifies himself too, when he describes himself as having no agency. But...duh, this is sex in the post-sexual revolution world.

William said...

Cosby got away with rape for so many years because he was a revered public figure. Who needs the publicity and obloquy that would come with making such a charge against a man so esteemed. Trump suffers from the reverse Cosby effect. If you make public any problem you ever had with him, the media will treat you like a heroine.......Anita Hill got a Smithsonian exhibit and an HBO movie. Surely one of Trump's castaways can top that........All of this increases the cynicism factor by several orders of magnitude. I know Trump is crude and boorish because the media has taken such such pains to bring these qualities to light. I know Hillary is mendacious and calculating but this is despite the media's efforts to gloss over them.

CStanley said...

Also, regardless of my disgust I'd still feel safer having my daughter alone in a room with Donald Trump than with Bill Clinton.

AReasonableMan said...

Fabi said...
Harold: not only did Trump make Res the construction manager for his signature project -- Trump Tower -- but when he did so it was unprecedented to place a woman in that position. The claims of misogyny are off the mark.


It's not that simple. A man can be rational in his business life and become completely unhinged in his personal life. Drugs, alcoholism, skirt chasers, any perversion you can imagine. Trump is obviously not all bad, but that is a weak argument. No one is all bad.

AReasonableMan said...

CStanley said...
Also, regardless of my disgust I'd still feel safer having my daughter alone in a room with Donald Trump than with Bill Clinton.


Not sure I agree with this. Clinton looks so frail these days I am sure my daughter could take him if she had to. Trump, although overweight, seems to be in robust health.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Unknown/Inga: if you were young and cute and Bill Clinton wanted to fuck you in broad daylight in the middle of Times Square, you'd drop your pants and bend over. Hell, you'd do the same if Hillary wanted you.

Alas, you're not young and cute and will never have that happen. So you bend for them in Althouse comments section instead. You're the biggest Clinton starfucker I've seen on any blog.

rhhardin said...

It's apparently not possible to say women have to up their game.

I had no idea it was so bad.

Trashhauler said...

But they rejoiced when they got rid of chivalry.

rhhardin said...

Read Barthelme on the multiplicity of cunts in the world.

He allows that there may be a particular one you like and stay with, but, and then Trump's speech.

There's the guy's point of view. Women, pay attention.

Very nicely put, just a few pages, large print.

Unknown said...

Who are you speaking to EOMS? You would let Trump grab your pussy, or dick or whatever gender you are and thank him for the privelege. Your man is crashing and burning, lol, serves you morons right.

rcocean said...

"It's apparently not possible to say women have to up their game."

Giving women the vote was the BIG mistake. People imagined they'd be as smart as men or even smarter. Instead, we enfranchised a lot of stupid, frivolous, women who are even stupider then the "dumb men's vote".

All part of the Left-wing plan - of course. Divide and conquer. Toss them few bones about abortion or some women's issue and you have them. Who gives a fuck about the country, foreign policy, economy, etc.

EDH said...

Althouse: I wrote: Maybe that's not the real substance of the brag. I'm thinking it's more: These women are so pathetic. O'Dell stood up to me, but even she was lame, because she went and got her breasts inflated.

It appears the Bush-Trump conversation about O'Dell actually started among the Access Hollywood crew. Bush and O'Dell were colleagues for many years (2004-2009).

And it sounds like Trump was reacting to what the Access Hollywood crew had said previously, quite likely about O'Dell's looks following cosmetic surgery.

What the mic captured during the 2005 ‘Access Hollywood’ segment:

Donald Trump: You know and—

Unidentified voice: She used to be great. She’s still very beautiful.

Trump: I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it. I did try and fuck her. She was married.

Unidentified voice: That’s huge news there.

Trump: No, no. Nancy. No this was— And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’ I took her out furniture– I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.


To me it sounds like Trump was reacting to Bush and the crew's conversation about their colleague O'Dell's cosmetic surgery, at which point Trump recounting his attempted seduction of O'Dell and then how he first noticed the surgery they were talking about.

Althouse unfairly invents this "[w]omen are so pathetic" linkage out of whole cloth, as if the conversation began with Trump's rebuff by O'Dell that prompted his comment that she had the surgery. In context it appears to be quite the opposite.

And let's face it: people love to gossip about cosmetic surgery, even Althouse...

Althouse, September 16, 2012

Letting women 'test drive' larger breasts before a boob job has led to them picking even bigger implants.


Althouse: The article makes it seem as though the decision to size up has to do with realizing extra-large breasts won't "interfere with daily life." But I'm wondering whether these women are discovering some social advantages that they are finding persuasive.

Oh, the misogyny!

Cacimbo Cacimbo said...

We are back to the question of whether to take Trump seriously or literally. Do I think plenty of a certain type of women are happy to let Trump grab them - yes. Do I think he is grabbing all the women - no. Sorry, but if he was not limiting himself to those who expressed interest we would have heard about it by now. So far we have one questionable complaint from a person who went on to date him.
Having changed in a female locker room for twenty years - women engage in plenty of misandry during their chatter. Quite a few also brag about using their wiles to attain better assignments.
Stop the double standards. Seriously, are we going to pretend that the woman married to Bill "depends on the meaning of is" Clinton never engaged in some male bashing banter in private.

rhhardin said...

I've been in the mood to disrespect [Trump] bigly

If somebody isn't in that mood, how is it settled?

exiledonmainstreet said...

Unknown, you display your sub par IQ and poor reading comprehension skills once again.

I have never said I am a Trump fangirl. I did not vote for him in the primaries. However, my reservations about him have nothing to do with his personal life and are nothing compared to the absolute detestation I have for the evil fat ass you love so much you'd consider it an honor to change her diaper.

You're a corrupt hag, just like your hideous queen and a deeply stupid hack - and everyone at this blog knows that. And you can't even devise halfway decent insults. You have to steal them from Ritmo, although he's fallen out of favor with you because he sees through Queen Hillary and her stooges. I'm sure he's heartbroken.

rhhardin said...

Imus says kissing fake boobs is like kissing a beach ball.

I don't know if there are various models, or if the NYT reviews them.

AReasonableMan said...

Women say kissing Imus is like kissing Death warmed up.

coupe said...

I've always been a type-B personality. It's hard because there are so many type-A who are battling for the king of the hill.

You know you're a type-B when you find yourself removing the core from someones valve stem, and as the air hisses out, you find yourself smiling.

Second though, is I think men who have daughters think about women in a different way. I'm not going to be out there grab-assing someone else's daughter.

Maybe type-A people it doesn't matter if they have daughters.

rhhardin said...

Vesper: Am I going to have a problem with you, Bond?

Bond: No, don't worry. You're not my type.

Vesper: Smart?

Bond: Single.

Unknown said...

“Can I say this? A piece of ass,” Stern says in the clip. “Yeah,” Trump replies.

In another clip uncovered by CNN, this one from 2006, Stern asks Trump, “did your daughter get breast implants?” The real estate mogul replied that “no, she didn’t. I mean, I would know if she did. The answer is no. Why, did she look a little more stacked?”
“She looks more voluptuous than ever,” Stern said.

“No, she didn’t get them,” Trump said. “She’s actually always been very voluptuous.”



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rhhardin said...

The guys and big boobs thing is a myth anyway.

Big boobs is a cartoon convention for hot babe.

Unknown said...

EOMS,
Who the hell is Ritmo?? Does Ritmo live in your head too? You are merely another Trump fan boy, despite what you say. You wouldn't be so outraged at the news reports about Trump's latest debauchery if it weren't true. Deny all you want.

CStanley said...

A female panelist on CNN just said that Hillary needs to come out strong tomorrow night and defend these women that Trump insulted.

These folks either have no self awareness or no shame.

rhhardin said...

Where is Megyn Kelly, is the question. CNN babes don't have the comedy chops that Kelly does.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Deny all you want."

I didn't deny anything, dimwit. You really are stupid - especially since you're been reading this blog for a while and never realized Ritmo and R & B are the same person. But again, dumb bimbos are not known for their reading comprehension skills.

I will vote for Trump no matter what, because Hillary is responsible for the deaths of innocent people and a liar who covered for her rapist husband. Nothing Trump has done compares to that.

walter said...

"Where is the person? He grabs for the body part, like a baby, grabbing for mommy. And then he's outraged that the woman he reached out to has "now got the big phony tits." Mommy is not real..."

Wow..you really took it to a strange place.

rcocean said...

"The guys and big boobs thing is a myth anyway."

After a certain size, its superfluous.




Unknown said...

Hahahahaha, oh my gosh......

http://www.mediaite.com/online/in-1999-trump-said-he-couldnt-be-president-because-of-the-women-hed-sleep-with/

In 1999, according to this article in the New York Post, he told Chris Matthews he could never run for President because of his history with women. Here is what he said:

"People want me to [run for president] all the time … I don’t like it. Can you imagine how controversial I’d be? You think about [Bill Clinton] and the women. How about me with the women? Can you imagine?"

When Matthews joked about Monica Lewinsky by saying, “You might be close, but there’s no cigar,” Trump said, “They might like my women better, too.”

That certainly isn’t the first time he defended the former President for his philandering.

rhhardin said...

Female humorlessness is one of the funniest things around, actually, to guys.

When what's her name Merissa Meyer came on Armstrong and Getty to tout new google search features, as VP of that division, and it went too boilerplate google ad for them, one of them interjected that he'd just googled Merissa Meyer Nude and came up with no results.

A stern letter from Google to station management followed. The greatest interview ever.

There's about three independent ways that's funny. To a guy.

Lucien said...

I suppose there are some who would find it disingenuous for female celebrities to claim they want to be judged based on their professional chops, and then go out and get breast implants. Not me, of course.

Jay Elink said...

Far from feeling worthless or "used", women who casually bed celebrities most often wind up bragging about it.

Take Angie Dickinson, who described her tryst with JFK as "the best ten seconds of my life".

I suspect she still thinks that.

rhhardin said...

Slightly related Armstrong and Getty hour-end picked up just the other day

A: So in 1906 kids were playing on playground
equipment 25 feet up in the air

B: We're soft today.

A: [making promo transition] Soft is not what Bill
Clinton was in the 90s, coming up next hour.

crew: laughter

B: Great transition

dreams said...

"A female panelist on CNN just said that Hillary needs to come out strong tomorrow night and defend these women that Trump insulted.

These folks either have no self awareness or no shame."

They have no shame and they know it will work for them.

exiledonmainstreet said...

So, unknown/Inga: what exactly does that quote, my dear dumbo? Quite the opposite of what you think, bozo. Trump's had a lot of women. Bill's had a lot of women. (And raped at least one.)

Yet, Trump is unfit to be president, while Bill was just fine. As far as I know, at least Melania or his other wives didn't cover for him and slander other women.

Your quote only proves what we already know: that you are a hypocrite and completely incapable of logical thought. A Bimbo for Hillary!

dreams said...

"Nah, He's a sucker for a beautiful women and he, as a rich wealthy famous guy, gets em'. He was rejected, so he mocked her fake boobs.

Nothing new here."

He was rejected and still secure enough that he willingly shared that info with someone.

Fabi said...

ARM: I don't disagree that men -- or women -- can have a professional / personal divide. I'd say that it's often true -- and my career exposed me to some masters of the universe who killed it in the business world, but were spooky away from the office. However, I'm arguing that Trump's actions regarding women in business are more important than being an idiot in his private words.

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Luke Lea said...

Isn't this all just part of the well-documented groupie phenomenon?

Oso Negro said...

It must be horrifying to be a late-middle-aged woman viewing this election. All your adult life you bought into the big lies of feminism. Here it is 2016. All this shit was supposed to be behind us. Now we have in one corner Hillary Clinton, who rode her raping husband's coat-tails to public office and shat on, spat on, and beat down the woman who were his victims. In the other corner, pussy grabbing short-fingered vulgarian Donald Trump. Everything you thought was real was an illusion.

I am sorry for our dear Professor. It must cause great psychic anxiety. I think the only thing to rival it might be the revelation that homosexuality is a profoundly unhealthy sexual deviancy that should be discouraged in a healthy society and never promoted.

Mike Sylwester said...

Warren Beatty was a tall, handsome, intelligent, charming, famous, successful actor.

In addition, he was a movie director.

In addition, he was a movie producer.

Ant aspiring actress knew that he might give her a role in a movie.

That's was the basis for Beatty commonly having sex with three or four different women a day.

Imagine how Beatty -- a famous Democrat -- talked about women with other movie actors, directors and producers.

FullMoon said...

All these sensitive people! At a public pool , I noticed my daughter having words with several girls. When she ame over, I asked her what happened: " They were bothering me, so I just said, Smells like stinky fish over here, you guys better close your skanky legs

She was ten or eleven. Did not learn that at home, learned it in grade school.


Mike Sylwester said...

I read the book The Senator: My Ten Years With Ted Kennedy, written by Richard Burke, Kennedy's personal assistant. Burke was amazed by Kennedy's constant womanizing. On one occasion, Burke told Kennedy that he would quit if Kennedy seduced any married women on Kennedy's staff.

As soon as Burke learned that Kennedy indeed had seduced a young, married woman on the staff, Burke quit and eventually wrote the book.

The book was published in 1992, and Kennedy died 17 years later, in 2009.

In the meantime, Massachusetts Democrats elected Kennedy to the Senate three times -- in 1994, 2000 and 2006.

https://www.amazon.com/Senator-Ten-Years-Ted-Kennedy/dp/0312304668

Michael said...

There are 90 million,million, people out of the workforce in the U.S.

That is 370 Madison Wisconsins filled with people who do nothing.

But Trump said pussy.

Ken B said...

EDH
Superb catch on Althouse and implants.

rcocean said...

"In the meantime, Massachusetts Democrats elected Kennedy to the Senate three times -- in 1994, 2000 and 2006."

As shown by Chappaquiddick, Teddy Kennedy could leave a woman to die, and the Irish would still vote for him. In fact, as long as its "good for the Irish" they'd probably elect Hitler. At least from 1920, there has never been anyone with (D) after their name they wouldn't vote for. Maybe if Cromwell ran as a (D).

Fortunately, the rest of the USA isn't like Asshole-chutes. I hope.

rcocean said...

Its like McCain - no matter how much "Maverick" John McCain fucks up and buddies up to Ted Kennedy or Harry Reid the so-called "conservative" Republicans in AZ keep nominating and electing him.

Why? I don't know.

Terry said...

Given the way that Hillary's people -- not Herself -- have responded to Assange's latest leaked documents, the key to utterly confounding the media is to:
a) neither confirm nor deny.
b) attack the messenger as being a 'hater'.
This seems to work 100% of the time -- if your last name is Clinton.

Clyde said...

There's the joke about the guy who goes up to every attractive woman he sees and says, "Wanna fuck?" A friend watches this and sees him get repeatedly slapped time after time, and asks, "Why are you doing that? All you're getting is slapped!" And the guy replies, "99 times out of 100, I get slapped. But that hundredth time...!"

And the moral of this story is that being rich, famous and powerful drops that slap percentage dramatically. Creepy old guys like Hugh Hefner, ballplayers and rock stars, politicians and business moguls get far more attractive women coming on to them or at least welcoming their advances, because women are attracted to wealthy, powerful men who can keep them in a luxurious lifestyle. That's the way of the world.

Basil said...

Professor, why is it that all women are presumed to be the same? Is there no variety among women? Surely some do like to have sex with rich and powerful people. Surely some do not.

How exactly is it an assault on all women for a woman who likes to be sexual ly aggressive, actually is?

You have turned into a fine Puritan.

Clyde said...

Star Star - The Rolling Stones
Baby, baby, I've been so sad since you've been gone
Way back to New York City
Where you do belong
Honey, I missed your two-tone kisses
Legs wrapped around me tight
If I ever get back to Fun City, girl
I'm gonna make you scream all night
Honey, honey, call me on the telephone
I know you're movin' out to Hollywood
With your can of tasty foam
All those beat up friends of mine
Got to get you in their books
And lead guitars and movie stars
Get their tongues beneath your hood
Yeah! You're a star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star
Yeah, a star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star
A star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star fucker star
Yeah, I heard about you Polaroid's
Now that's what I call obscene
Your tricks with fruit was kind a cute
I bet you keep your pussy clean
Honey, I miss your two tone kisses
Legs wrapped around me tight
If I ever get back to New York, girl
Gonna make you scream all night
Yeah! You're a star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star
Yeah, a star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star
A star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star fucker star
Yeah, Ali McGraw got mad with you
For givin' head to Steve McQueen
Yeah, and me we made a pretty pair
Fallin' through the Silver Screen
Honey, I'm open to anything
I don't know where to draw the line
Yeah, I'll make bets that you're gonna get
John Wayne before he dies
Yeah! You're a star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star
Yeah, a star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star
A star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star fucker star
Yes you are
A star fucker, star fucker, star fucker, star fucker star

Terry said...

What I like about this election is that if you are a believer in the power of the federal government to be a positive force for good in the nation and the world, you've gotta be questioning your core beliefs. The neocons are looking at a federal government and armed forces controlled by incompetent Hillary or isolationist Trump, and the Sanders True Believers are looking at the head of the federal government being a crooked politician in the pocket of Wall Street or a crooked businessman.
They all need to realize the federal government is not some history-directing institution. If the feds were responsible for plowing the streets and picking up your garbage twice a week, most people would come to understand that the feds are incompetent at governing anything but relations between the states and foreign policy, and not remarkably competent at doing those things.

CarlF said...

Trump was a Democrat when he said those things and Hillary was his friend at the time.

mockturtle said...

Sex actually gives a woman power over a man. And when a woman sleeps with a powerful, famous politician, athlete or musician, it is a power coup for her. Hence, groupies, congressional interns and pages [male and female]. It's not so much a matter of wanting their money as bringing a powerful man under her power. Of course, the man always thinks it is he wielding the power. That's all part of the game, I guess. I was never a groupie but have known some. One of my closest friends back in the late 60's was a young gay man who made it a goal to have sex with as many prominent men as possible.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

As for celebrities having women throw themselves at them, has anyone read The Ragman's Son, the autobiography of Kirk Douglas? He was a little-known struggling actor from Broadway who'd been in a few movies, and even had a supporting star turn in 1947's Out Of The Past. In 1949 Kirk chose to star in a small movie rather than accept a supporting role in a large movie. The large movie did nothing, and Kirk's small movie, Champion, became a big hit. Soon after the movie came out, Kirk was driving and saw a line winding around the block for a movie. He drove around the block to see the marquee and found that the people were there to see his movie, Champion. At that very second Kirk grinned to himself and said "I'm a star!" Later, Kirk describes fucking a different woman every single night for months on end, sometimes two or three a day- in puritan 1949, no less! So yeah, Trump's right again. and bullshit feminist hags are pissing themselves over it...pathetic.

mockturtle said...

Per Terry: They all need to realize the federal government is not some history-directing institution. If the feds were responsible for plowing the streets and picking up your garbage twice a week, most people would come to understand that the feds are incompetent at governing anything but relations between the states and foreign policy, and not remarkably competent at doing those things.

That is really at the heart of the whole matter. Power needs to be decentralized to the level where it is most effective. The federal power grab during the last several administrations is appalling. But how to get the toothpaste back into the tube??

David said...

Of course women are attracted to a man's status. It's not a social invention of humans or a flaw in less enlightened females. It's a powerful biological tendency built in to many, many species, especially into the social order of complex mammals with strong family and social systems. It's not misogeny to point this out. It an observation of an aspect of human biology, a trait we hold in common with many other animals.

You don't have to be crude in pointing this out like Trump was, not does the Alpha have to take advantage of his status every sexual chance he gets. But identifying the trait is just pointing out the obvious.

walter said...

He clearly wants mama's titties. (wave hand slowly in front of face)

Robert Cook said...

"Later, Kirk describes fucking a different woman every single night for months on end, sometimes two or three a day- in puritan 1949, no less! So yeah, Trump's right again. and bullshit feminist hags are pissing themselves over it...pathetic."

What's pathetic is that any man would speak of the women he beds or attempts to bed with such contempt. If they're such low creatures because they want (or will submit) to sex with a man simply because of his status, what does that make the man who consorts with such low creatures? An opportunistic low creature, a sexual parasite. Trump, a particularly self-serving low-life scumbag, wants to have it both ways: they're low if they sleep with him because of who he is, and they're pathetic if they do not.

Bad Lieutenant said...

What's pathetic is that America cannot handle the truth.

walter said...

Cook,
Have you had "hot" women making themselves available to you because of your status?
Be honest.
Most of us haven't. But you might imagine how decades of that might inform your perception.
"they're low if they sleep with him because of who he is, and they're pathetic if they do not."
I think you may be somewhat right regarding the former..anything to support the latter?

Harold said...

Clyde said...
There's the joke about the guy who goes up to every attractive woman he sees and says, "Wanna fuck?" A friend watches this and sees him get repeatedly slapped time after time, and asks, "Why are you doing that? All you're getting is slapped!" And the guy replies, "99 times out of 100, I get slapped. But that hundredth time...!"


That's not a joke. I've known more then one of those guys. You probably do too. Of course, one of them I knew had serious beer goggles on oftimes when he was successful... That old joke about going to bed with a 10 and waking up with a 5 isn't a joke either.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Speaking of anodyne statements, considering all the incentive for O'Dell to go for the jugular, isn't that practically a statement of support for Trump?

Achilles said...

This whole thread is about women being upset about being treated like idiots, and then acting like idiots.

Trump saying crude things about women means we should elect a woman who attacked and intimidated her husbands rape victims. Stupid and pernicious.

Bad Lieutenant said...

The truth is, Ann, that your read on this episode makes us more curious about your sex life than about Trump's.

grackle said...

Everyone deserves respect? Then do we have to respect Trump? I've been in the mood to disrespect him bigly, but, okay... I'll try.

Why try? Why even bother with empty gestures. You dislike him VERY much. THAT much is obvious. Own it.

You might be more convincing if your analysis of the Trump recording wasn’t so far off the track.

I moved on her and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and fuck her. She was married. I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn't get there. And she was married...

And this is supposed to represent language worse than a Navy barracks? Please.

Then all of a sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. She's totally changed her look.... Whoa!

I’ve said similar things about the plastic surgery of several celebrities. It always looks worse. Example: Mary Tyler Moore. I guess that means I’m an asshole. Oh, well …

I've gotta use some tic tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.

Could have come straight from the mouths of Slick Willie, The Rolling Stones, the Animals, the Beatles, etc. Isn’t it obvious that Trump is talking about groupies, which follow the politically powerful as well as rock stars? Isn’t it also obvious that it is locker room braggadocio? And this is tame fare compared to what I’ve heard many times among men in my years on earth. Hyperbole is a poor persuader as well as being unfair.

He’s talking about sexual harassment as if it was OK and that is bad but let us not pretend that talking about it is the same as doing it.

Jon Ericson said...

Don't get me started about groupies...

Andrew Pardue said...

Ok here is the thing. Have we learned anything about Donald Trump that we didn't already know? The answer here is no, other than this specific episode that has only proved that Trump is the guy we thought he was. This would be different had somebody produced a hot mic tape of Rubio talking like this, for example. It's the shock I don't buy. The Washington Post has provided us with a tape that proves that a known womanizer is in fact a womanizer. That he talks about women the way womanizers have talked about women for millennia. Well no duh. The only interesting thing is in noting the difference between how Trump deals with personal scandal and how Hilary Clinton deals with personal scandals.

cf said...

you got it wrong here ann

there are a lot of cheap women in the world, willing to do most anything for a bit of the power in man. they aren't victims. they freely offer up their pussy to the top dog.

why should not a good man be a bit disgusted?

you got it wrong here.

coupe said...

Bottom line, the FBI will not be involved in this, and no person will need immunity from prosecution.

Congress will not need to allocated billions, or form committee's to investigate it. Elijah Cummings will not have to pimp for the Democrats.

tim maguire said...

Coupe! I wanted to say "bottom line"!

Here's my bottom line: Trump's statements were boorish and insulting to women and probably an accurate reflection of how he felt at that time and maybe even how he feels today. There is much about Trump that is...what's the opposite of admirable? But his views are not reflective of society and not likely to become reflective of society. We do not risk becoming more coarsened to equality if we hold our noses and vote for the lout.

Hillary is unquestionably guilty of compromising our national security, almost certainly for selfish short-term interests. And money. Her foreign policy made a hash of much of the world, many thousands are dead because Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. Her domestic work in the senate was less lethal but no more effective. The world is less stable, less peaceful because she had power.

So who are you going to support? The lout? Or the person who gets people killed because she doesn't care enough about them not to?

In a world where you don't get a good choice, which bad choice will you make?

rhhardin said...

At least pussy will show up in official public discourse now.

A word has been liberated.

rhhardin said...

We need to plan the next words that cannot be said.

coupe said...
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Meade said...

"We need to plan the next words that cannot be said."

Here are four words it seems you cannot say: Fourth. Degree. Sexual. Assault.

Paul Snively said...

In an interview at the time (1996?), "Tin Cup" star Rene Russo was asked if she saw co-stars Kevin Costner and Don Johnson engage in skirt-chasing. "No, but I did see women throw themselves at Kevin and Don," she said.

I've always liked Ms. Russo. She seems very no-BS and unpretentious.

Jason said...

This term "fourth. Degree. Sexual. Assault" you use. It does not mean what you think it means.

Meade said...

Tell us what it means to you, Jason. Is it a joke?

bagoh20 said...

It means we should be bugging every locker room followed by arrest and prosecution until this evil is rooted out for good.

walter said...

So we should be hearing soon from his victims of 4th degree sexual assault...and wanton furniture shopping.
And Hil will grab your attention with a new outfit.