October 14, 2016

"And so he was really trying to dominate and then literally stalk me around the stage and I would just feel this presence behind me."

Said Hillary Clinton, talking about the last debate to Ellen DeGeneres. She also said: "He was really all wrought up, and you could just sense how much anger he had."

Sexist claptrap, in my opinion, but Trump's response, which starts out okay, ends in what I'm seeing as a rape joke:
“So I’m standing at my podium by my chair. She walks across the room. She’s standing in front of me, right next to me,” Trump claimed.“And the next day I said what did the papers say? They said, ‘he invaded her space,’” he said. “Believe me, the last space that I want to invade is her space.”
IN THE COMMENTS: A lot of people are unable or unwilling to see the innuendo that I see, perhaps because you want to protect Trump. For example I Have Misplaced My Pants says:
I see no evidence that he is referring to Clinton's [I presume Althouse suggests] vagina. Althouse, you have a dirty mind. You do this a lot. Is your mind and your blog--just want to counterbalance!
On the other hand, Unknown says:
Of course he was using double entendre. How dense are you people?
And then there is EDH:
Althouse: "ends in what I'm seeing as a rape joke" ... which I guess is okay if you're a liberal, like Norman Lear?

"Who'd wanna rape you, anyway?"

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Lyle Smith said...

You have to admit, that's a funny "rape" joke!

Paul said...

Rape? You've lost your mind.

I guess you'll never post about the video of Obama flashing his erection to female reporters and them giggling and imploring the SS agent to move out of the way so they could have an unobstructed view. Doesn't fit the narrative does it?

chickelit said...

Of course this plays well with the Ellen crowd. And "The View" crowd. How many times do you have to prove rhhardin correct?

Lyle Smith said...

He is playing off Hillary's "sexist claptrap". He's fighting fire with fire.

Big Mike said...

Not a rape joke. Meade, please stage an intervention and explain to your dearly beloved that not everything Trump says about women is a rape joke.

sunsong said...

In one minute and 42 seconds, Michelle Obama changes the trajectory of this campaign:

link

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

ends in what I'm seeing as a rape joke:

I do my best to see the best in people so I see that as trolling your own blog.

Rocketeer said...

Cruel neutrality requires cruel objectivity.

Danno said...

Only a "dirty mind" would infer that space is a sexual reference.

Kate said...

What's the history of the double entendre, and doesn't it always insinuate sexual liberties? It's a poor wit's joke, so knock Trump for stale taste in humor (or claim he's consciously trying to throw Hillary off her game), but stop with the rape word.

sunsong said...

More powerful words from Michelle Obama:

>>>...“I listen to all of this and I feel it so personally, and I'm sure that many of you do, too, particularly the women,” Obama said. “The shameful comments about our bodies, the disrespect of our intelligence. The belief you can do anything to a woman? It is cruel. It's frightening. And the truth is, it hurts. It hurts.”

“So many have worked for so many years against this kind of violence and abuse and disrespect. But here we are in 2016 we're hearing these exact same things every single day on the campaign trail,” she continued. “We are drowning in it. And all of us are doing what women have always done, we're trying to keep our heads above water. Just trying to get through it. Trying to pretend like this doesn't really bother us.”...<<<


>>>..."“Because let's be very clear, strong men, strong men, men who are truly role models, don't need to put down women to make themselves feel powerful,” she said...

...“I know it's a campaign, but this isn't about politics. It's about basic human decency. It's about right and wrong,” she said. “And we cannot endure this or expose our children to this any longer, not for another minute, let alone for four years. Now is the time for all of us to stand up and say, enough is enough. This has got to stop right now.”...<<<


link

chickelit said...

Remember the time that Al Gore invaded George Bush's space onstage? Homoerotic rape fantasy for some, I reckon. Bush fought it off with a grin.

sunsong said...

"Marybeth Glenn describes herself as a Coolidge Conservative who is addicted to politics, Christian apologetics, C.S. Lewis, Ray Bradbury, Ravi Zacharias, and Phil Collins. She typically votes Republican, “rejects increasing government control, and will gladly rebuke either side of the aisle when they become power hungry.”

"Presently, she is among the women all over America who’ve fled Donald Trump’s campaign:

"...So let me get this straight: I, a conservative female, have spent years defending the Republican Party against claims of sexism. When I saw Republican men getting attacked I stood up for them. I came to their defense. I fought on their behalf. I fought on behalf of a movement I believed in....

"...Get this straight: We don’t need you to stand up for us, YOU needed to stand up for us for YOU. For YOUR dignity. For YOUR reputation. Jeff Sessions says that he wouldn’t “characterize” Trump’s unauthorized groping of women as “assault.”

"Are you kidding me?!

"Others try to rebuke his comments, yet STILL choose to vote for a sexual predator - because let’s be honest, that’s what he is. “What he said is wrong, and the way he treats women is wrong, but it’s not wrong enough for me to not vote for him."

"Thanks, cowards..."


link

The Vault Dweller said...

Rape joke? It seems more likely that the joke was that Hillary is just such an unlikable person that no one in their right mind would want to be any closer to Hillary than they have to be. Perhaps Scott Adams is correct, the Hillary campaign and the media have successfully persuaded some that Donald Trump is a sexual predator and criminal and now many can only view him like that.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Sunsong quoted Michelle Obama saying

I know it's a campaign, but this isn't about politics. It's about basic human decency.

Bullshit. Bullshit BullFuckingShit on stilts.

If it was about basic human decency then these people would have all been calling out Bill Clinton, avoiding all association with him, and calling out those who defended him. They didn't. Their outrage is selective, and only appears when it furthers their politics.

sunsong said...

"...And in the moment future historians may define as an historic turning point, countless women said to themselves, “Enough.”


'I'm a gentleman': Trump menaces Clinton with imposing presence and brash insults
Read more
By midweek, even before Michelle Obama voiced that thought, the floodgates had opened as a rapidly expanding array of women described various forms of sexual assault they said Trump had inflicted on them – and told their stories, on the record, to the Guardian, the New York Times, Buzzfeed, People magazine, and the Palm Beach Post, among a growing list of publications.

Since Trump thinks the best way to deal with any charges is to counter-attack as viciously as possible, his campaign immediately promised to dredge up more allegations of Bill Clinton’s past sexual misconduct.

But no matter what Bill Clinton has done, he’s not running for president – and nobody has ever accused Hillary Clinton of grabbing the genitals of a stranger or pushing a man up against a wall and shoving her tongue down his mouth. The overwhelming majority of sex crimes are committed by men, and neither Trump nor most of the commentators trying to keep up with the current firestorm seem to understand that that fact alone has transformed this race.

"What Trump is now up against is not only his own actions, but the lived experience of every American woman.

"What Trump is now up against is not only his own actions, but the lived experience of every American woman..."


link

Unknown said...

You told me that the ads that show up your are a reflection of what google sense believes about me. Perhaps the rape joke you see is a reflection of what your sense is and not trumps
Thanks

Rob said...

Poor poor Hillary. She's a victim. I just decided how to cast my vote.

chickelit said...

@sunsong: None of what you write and link makes anyone actually "like" Hillary more. I am interested in Hillary's gender gap with men. What's up with that?

AllenS said...

Who in the hell would want to rape Hillary? Her husband won't even fuck her.

sunsong said...

Bigotry is dumb. It is stupid. Whether it be sexist, or racist, or homophobic or Islamophobic or an unreasonable, silly fear of others - bigotry is a sign of stupidity.

Trump and too many of his followers are too stupid, too dense and unconscious to grasp, to begin to comprehend what is going on...

David said...

How many women have said Donald Trump has sexually assaulted them?

15?

I lost track. Unlike a lot of sexual predators, he seems to revel in talking openly about assaulting women, including noting which women he thinks are too ugly to assault.

Quaestor said...

Sexist claptrap, in my opinion, but Trump's response, which starts out okay, ends in what I'm seeing as a rape joke...

Classic paranoia.

TreeJoe said...

Hillary is 3 weeks out from the election and knows if she can knock off enough votes from women for Trump, even if they don't vote at all, she will win.

This is basic electoral strategy 101. There's nothing fancy here - Trump gave them an opening to take away what he needs to win.

However, to consider Trumps response a rape joke is ridiculous. Invading space is about getting too close to someone and his joke is that he definitely does not want to be too close to her. If you see that as a rape joke, your lense has been colored by the successful work of the Clinton campaign.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Gobble gobble gobble, women eat this "claptrap" up.

"The last space I want to invade is hers" = a rape joke. Not just "rapey," right, it's an actual rape joke! Welcome to the world of 2016, where women rule. You've come a long way, baby.

Quaestor said...

Sunsong wrote: ...or an unreasonable, silly fear of others...

Sunsong's autobiographic moment.

Otto said...

“Believe me, the last space that I want to invade is her space.” Bravo.

Jake said...

Rape joke? Churlish.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

...and then literally stalk me around the stage...

The really scary part is that the whole time this was happening she was also under sniper fire.

Nonapod said...

For me the main lesson of the past week has been: Never get into a mud slinging war with master mudslingers. The Clintons and their various media allies have PhD's in mudslingerary, while Trump and his allies merely have an associates degree at best. Trump will continue to bluster and appeal to a base he won over a year ago. Meanwhile the Clinton machine will win the votes of white middle class women in the critical swing states with the narrative of Trump being a sexual predator. To them it won't matter that Bill is almost certainly a far worse sexual predator. Bill isn't currently on TV everyday, in the news everyday, and on social media endlessly. The Clintons are betting that people have short term memories. The Clintons are probably right.

Gahrie said...

Welcome to the world of 2016, where women rule. You've come a long way, baby.

Repeal the 19th amendment

Hagar said...

Well, she did move over to his side of the platform.
I don't think Trump meant anything other than what he said; no double entendre.

n.n said...

Class diversity. Female chauvinism. Democratic leverage. Pro-Choice. The baby trials will continue.

Unknown said...

Maybe that's how Trump sees sex, as an invasion, not an engagement. Maybe he likes the idea of conquering a woman's "space".

David said...

Remember when Trump told the People reporter that she was too ugly to sexually assault? He's such a jokester!

Rick said...

Trump’s unauthorized groping of women as “assault.”

It seems we've finally discovered the difference between Donald Trump and Bill Clinton. Clinton's groping were authorized, presumably by Hillary, James Carville, and Joy Behar among many others.

Jonathan Graehl said...

yes, that's a dominant sex joke (which class includes rape jokes but i don't see how you're gonna parse that distinction)

all PIV sex is invasive

Unknown said...

Sunsong, so right. Take most of the people here as an example.

GWash said...

Nonapod i would say you are off target by 180 degrees... although that's a good strategy, i would begin with not supplying mud in the first place... live a more virtuous life.. be a man and always try to do the right thing... don't create mud in the first place... my feeling is that the trumps (they are not alone) did not/do not have any rules, boundaries and limitations to help check these base kinds of actions.. reading some of the bloggers here i would say the same applies to them... if they were younger i would threaten to tell their parents.. i would caution people who have aspirations of leading people to not say or do anything that you wouldn't in front of mom.. Trumps new handler had a good week or two but that's all history now as the shackles are off and we see trump being trump...

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Vault Dweller: Yes. That's how I see it as well. And if it were a "rape joke," the onus is on HRC, who introduced the "invading my space" theme. Trump was not interested in "invading her space," i.e. (under this interpretation) did not want to rape her. So he's still guilty? Because maybe he had briefly considered it? Or what?

Why are we still even discussing this? If Silvio Berlusconi can call Angela Merkel an "unfuckable lardass," I think anything Trump would or could say falls pretty flat. Not to mention what the future First Gentleman actually did. HRC implicitly believes all accusers -- except for the bimbo eruptions. They, and they only, are to be scoured off the face of the body politic.

Unknown said...

"Invasive" implies the partner in the act is not involved and hasn't given permission. Engagement implies permission and active participation. Some males here need to take stock of themselves and how they see sex.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

I see no evidence that he is referring to Clinton's [I presume Althouse suggests] vagina. Althouse, you have a dirty mind. You do this a lot. Is your mind and your blog--just want to counterbalance!

n.n said...

No one wants to enter the twilight zone. It's a place of dissonance, class diversity, prostitution, amorality/immorality, progressive wars, and mass, albeit selective, abortions.

sunsong said...

"...Not this time. On Sunday, Beth Moore, a popular speaker and Bible study author whose books have been New York Times best-sellers, spoke out about Trump and against these male evangelical leaders, tweeting, “Try to absorb how acceptable the disesteem and objectifying of women has been when some Christian leaders don’t think it’s that big a deal.” Moore, who is very popular in conservative Christian circles, usually refrains from getting involved in politics. But her take reflected an argument breaking out with renewed force among evangelical women—especially younger ones—about whether it’s really possible to support a man who writes off bragging about sexual assault as “locker room talk,” as he did in Sunday night’s debate..."

How Long Can Evangelical Women Stay Behind Donald Trump?

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

Also, sunsong, bless your well-meaning heart and your long pointless quotes full of bullshit rhetoric. You know it's nonsense and they're all snowing you, right? All of them are snowing EVERYONE, all of the time.

EMD said...

A former coworker of mine who deplores (there's that word again, sort of) Trump and his boorish bravado and sexual proclivities is proudly introducing Bill Clinton today in Delaware, Ohio.

Guess the gender.

Unknown said...

Of course he was using double entondre. How dense are you people?

Sunsong, you make more sense than the majority of commenters here, especially the dummy above who lost her/ his pants.

Todd said...

Ignorance is Bliss said...
...and then literally stalk me around the stage...

The really scary part is that the whole time this was happening she was also under sniper fire.

10/14/16, 12:49 PM


As a result of that comment, you own me a new keyboard. Mine now has coffee all over it.

mccullough said...

The key word here is the "stage."

GWash said...

i feel sorry for you pants... to live in a world where EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME is lying to you is a shame... some people flawed as they are, are trying to describe standards, feelings, 'truths' etc... to just assume that everyone is lying all the time is a hard way to live...

rhhardin said...

It would take a lot of personal lubcricant.

That's an old woman joke.

Fabi said...

I guess Michelle never listened to the lyrics of the rappers she gleefully invited to the White House.

Unknown said...

Evangelicals need to send their daughters to do an apprenticeship with Donald Trump, if they trust him so much.

Michael K said...

"Trump and too many of his followers are too stupid, too dense and unconscious to grasp, to begin to comprehend what is going on..."

Sunsong is now full on Hillary flack. Plus of course the Hillary trolls are out in force.

Inga has been here for a while but the new ones all have blank pages.

I love the condescension and virtue signaling.

Beth said...

Hagar is right. Watching the debate I kept wondering why in the world she kept walking over to his side of the stage, it happened several times. Would never have guessed it was part of this whole set up.

chickelit said...

Fabi said...
I guess Michelle never listened to the lyrics of the rappers she gleefully invited to the White House.

It's OK. They get the African American pass.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

sunsong,

Bigotry is dumb. It is stupid. Whether it be sexist, or racist, or homophobic or Islamophobic or an unreasonable, silly fear of others - bigotry is a sign of stupidity.

Well, in the case of Islamophobia, what we actually have is a rational, justified fear of others. There do exist in this world a considerable number of people who would happily see both of us burned alive. And they aren't particularly shy about saying so. Do you "fear" them? I do. Do you "hate" them? ("Fear" is what "phobia" means, of course, but "hate" is the intended meaning.) I vacillate on this one. The guy who cut Daniel Pearl's head off, yes, I hate him, and don't feel like a "bigot" for doing so. Maybe your store of Christian love for all people is greater than mine.

Unknown said...

MichaelK,
I though you said you were leaving Althouse and would never return. Why are you back? It was so nice here without you. And I see you are still obsessed with someone named Inga who seems to have taken residence in your brain.

3MartiniLunch said...

Sexist claptrap, in my opinion...

Really, claptrap? A Hillary STD reference from you professor? My delicate sensibilities have been assaulted - ASSAULTED, I say!! I hereby demand my very own safe zone.

Good grief, if you see these demons in every corner of every Trump utterance, how do you even get out of bed in the morning?

Or maybe you're just trolling. In which case, well played professor, well played.

Original Mike said...

So there WERE emails between Clinton and Obama that they deep sixed and both lied about. But that's of no importance. {/disgust}

chickelit said...

Unknown sagte...Sunsong, you make more sense than the majority of commenters here, especially the dummy above who lost her/ his pants.

Sounds like Inga is using sisterhood shaming.

Unknown said...

There was no "side" of the stage for pity sake. If someone asked Clinton a question from that general vicinity, she had every right to walk over there to answer the questioner.

Nonapod said...

don't create mud in the first place...

I couldn't agree more.

my feeling is that the trumps (they are not alone) did not/do not have any rules, boundaries and limitations to help check these base kinds of actions..

The exact same thing can be said for the Clintons. In fact one could argue that it's even worse in the case of the Bill Clinton since we're comparing a very wealthy private citizen to someone who was the most powerful man on Earth.

reading some of the bloggers here i would say the same applies to them...

Wow, that seems a bit unfair. I have yet to see any evidence to suggest that any "bloggers" around here are capable of doing anything remotely like the behavior of that Donald and Bill have be accused of.

JPS said...

chickelit,

"Remember the time that Al Gore invaded George Bush's space onstage?"

That was excellent. A quizzical look, a cordial nod, and Bush had the better of the moment.

chuck said...

Rape joke? Really? Hillary is ludicrous so please do not emulate her.

EDH said...

Althouse: "ends in what I'm seeing as a rape joke" ... which I guess is okay if you're a liberal, like Norman Lear?

"Who'd wanna rape you, anyway?"

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Fabi,

Yes, Jay-Z and Beyonce do need some talking to. Me, I prefer Haydn.

Rick said...

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...
Maybe your store of Christian love for all people is greater than mine.


Apparently not since she hates everyone who disagrees with her political preferences.

Fabi said...

The Obamas invited rapper "Pusha T" to the White House for Barry's birthday party. Search the grotesquely violent and misogynist lyrics to his songs "FIFA" and "Exodus 23:1". Michelle is as full of shit as her stupid husband.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Yes, Nonapod. Very few of us (apart from our distinguished Blogress) are "bloggers." We're commenters. We comment; that's all we do.

Jupiter said...

sunsong said...

"Bigotry is dumb. It is stupid. Whether it be sexist, or racist, or homophobic or Islamophobic or an unreasonable, silly fear of others - bigotry is a sign of stupidity."

I understand that quite a few of the people who were massacred at Bataclan became Islamophobic in their final moments. Would you say that being shot by a Muslim made them stupid?

Or was it having a knife shoved into their genitals? Oh, you hadn't heard about that? Not surprising, the French police decline to discuss exactly how those people died. I suppose they are concerned some people might interpret it as an Islamic rape joke. Don't want to go fueling any bigotry.

GWash said...

hey we're not talking about an artist, rapper or tv mogul here... any of those occupations you can pretty much ignore or steer around.. we're talking about a candidate for potus, someone who will represent us all.. and in trumps case a person with a certifiable history of icky, bad behavior that has drawn some people to his side that you probably (i hope) would have the decency not to want to associate with...

Jupiter said...

sunsong probably hasn't heard about what they did to the Jewish woman in Mumbai, either. Believe me, you'd a lot rather have Donald Trump grab your pussy, sunsong.

rhhardin said...

Uhoh. WaPo

Woman says Trump reached under her skirt and groped her in early 1990s

Written by a woman.

What women don't know is that there's no incentive for a sexually experienced man to do that.

A man can't feel anything. The pussy is too soft to be resolved by a grab.

So it's not a very plausible charge, though a woman might think it is. After all, she can feel it, she knows. But that doesn't mean he can.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

i feel sorry for you pants... to live in a world where EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME is lying to you is a shame... some people flawed as they are, are trying to describe standards, feelings, 'truths' etc... to just assume that everyone is lying all the time is a hard way to live...

I'm sorry if my wording was unclear. Politicians and the media are lying to you, and to me, and to everyone. All the time. It's what they do. If you don't think they have an agenda to push---even if that agenda sincerely grows from 'standards,' 'feelings,' 'truths,' and other weaselly concepts---then you are their mark. They are trying to shape your concept of reality. Is this news to you?

GWash said...

rh huh?... you can't be serious...

Unknown said...

And some dummies here would compare us to Mumbai.

n.n said...

In the twilight zone, not only do the inhabitants hold baby trials, but they stage males pretending females to invade the spaces of women and little girls, too. The Pro-Choice Church, Obama, Clinton, and female chauvinists authorized the sacrifice (e.g. interns, secretaries with "benefits") of women and girls to the mentally impaired in order to create democratic leverage. Their conception of liberalism promoted prostitution (a.k.a. "benefits"), serviceable females, child exploitation (not rape-rape), and debasement of human life as a "progressive" culture.

Anyway, it's Pro-Choice politics, where there is a presumption of guilt, and around one million wholly innocent human lives annually sentenced to capital punishment and Planned Parenthood in America alone. Where women and men are taxable commodities, to be kept serviceable, and exploited for democratic leverage. Where progressive wars are normal, assassination of heads of state (and American ambassadors) are resolved with a video, cold wars are reset with competitors nations, and immigration reform is a cover-up and compensation for social justice adventurism and progressive debt.

An untempered liberal culture has progressive consequences, not limited to the victims of the "final solution" in abortion chambers and Planned Parenthood. The unabashed class diversity (i.e. racism, sexism) of Obama, Clinton and Democrats on principle is a gross divergence to the traditional Pro-Choice quasi-religion. The normalization of sex for "benefits" (e.g. prostitution) under the liberals' sexual revolution led by female (and male) chauvinists degraded women, men, girls, and boys. The Pro-Choice Church's avoidance of reconciling moral, natural, and personal imperatives has served the interests of the 1%ers, Obama, Clinton, trans, and wannabes, foreign and domestic, with the sacrifice of women, men, children, babies, functional human relationships, and the economy. [Unqualified] progress.

Unknown said...

Rhhardin probably has never gotten within grabbing distance of a woman.

Fabi said...

Just the people the Obama's celebrate, GWash. You'll figure it out eventually -- probably when you're done with your virtue little signaling dance.

GWash said...

Pants, no this is not news... we are all used to some disingenuousness, especially from politicians and business men... but there is a role for government and politicians... it's a little paranoid to think that every utterance from a politician is complete bs... and that i'm just being used... it's always a good policy to be circumspect, question and be on guard ...i still feel sorry for people that feel that.. i've know upstanding people in politics really really trying to do the right thing, something that will benefit all of us... to categorize all of them as bad actors and cons would demean some good people throughout our history...

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

GWash, you could say that of the (probable) future First Gentleman as well. Multiple gropings, invitations to fellatio, and that little episode of an unpaid intern sucking off the POTUS under the Oval Office desk I don't know how many times. (We are told to look for "power imbalances" in these situations. I don't know of many greater than that between an unpaid young woman and the POTUS.)

There are no clean hands in this story. There's no non-"icky." There's no out. (Unless you consider Gary Johnson an out, and after his performance on This Week a few weeks back, frankly I don't.) I live in a safe Blue state, so I can vote however I like.

Rick said...

Unknown said...
And some dummies here would compare us to Mumbai.

Unknown said...
Rhhardin probably has never gotten within grabbing distance of a woman.


Apparently some dummies here think ad hominem personal attacks are relevant.

rhhardin said...

Does this sudden rush of Trump-accusing women have anything to do with the scary clowns outbreak, is the question.

I Callahan said...

Sunsong, so right. Take most of the people here as an example.

Oh, up yours, Unknown and sunsong. Sideways and with swordfishes.

I'm so sick of this stupid, piddly shit as to be completely tired. You guys have done NOTHING to separate yourselves from people in your own party who are worse than Trump in this regard. Nothing. So just have the stones to admit that it's not about Trump in any way, shape or form; it's about getting another Democrat in the White House, and that the ends justify the means.

Flat-out, bald-faced hypocrites, the whole lot of you.

Gahrie said...

bigotry is a sign of stupidity.

Trump and too many of his followers are too stupid, too dense and unconscious to grasp,


The irony...it burns......

Achilles said...

10/14/16, 1:24 PM
Blogger Unknown said...
"And some dummies here would compare us to Mumbai."

Keep posting this garbage. Both you and sunsong. You are just proving how hypocritical and dishonest Hillary supporters are.

You are as disgusting as she is.

wholelottasplainin' said...

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...
I see no evidence that he is referring to Clinton's [I presume Althouse suggests] vagina. Althouse, you have a dirty mind. You do this a lot. Is your mind and your blog--just want to counterbalance!

***************

She's just trolling us...on her own blog. Althouse's "reasoning" on Clinton is:

She has a twat.

I have a twat.

THEREFORE I must perforce vote for her twat, and thus for the rest of her.



Chuck said...



The Master Persuader.

Jonathan Graehl said...

I only like sincere feminists who care also for men and don't only want to tilt against them (Carol Tavris - Who's Lying Who's Self-Justifying)

Jonathan Graehl said...

1. 'only with consent' doesn't quite remove all of it since the sort of real world consent that happens in escalating flirting to making out is nonverbal. if you do it enough, you're going to get rebuffed eventually. trump, who gets flirted with as a charismatic celebrity all the time, *must* have misread a nonverbal green light least once
2. misremembered-decades-later details aside which give surface to claim 'aha! lies!' (the first class armrest that went up, say), i figure these women (or at least plane-women) aren't lying. they believe trump went too far when they were only just interested in a well-spoken man (plane woman claims she never heard of trump before the flight) or a celebrity
3. if it's happened ever (it's still possible these are all lies - just above my pay grade to really stake anything on that), it's happened much more often than the couple reports so far. it's just that most women were satisfied enough with how their 'no' was processed. only the ones who believe they are saving the world from hitler (equivalently are donating to clinton foundation)
4. Trump has been openly engaged, before running for president, in a pattern of stereotypical playboy behavior. So, in the future don't run one of those. Cold fish - mormons and Amish - from now on. Private admissions to Billy Bush and public admissions on e.g. Howard Stern, Playboy interviews.
5. in any given incident, you do of course owe it to yourself to use a grain of salt. for example, successful impersonators of celebrities for purposes of pulling women exist.
I wouldn't bet strongly on "all lies" but it's still a reasonable possibility. Sad times to even think. The facile 'evidence-based' way to think about it is to take all of the above and say "well, even if 1 in 4 are true, there's then almost no chance they're all lies". Okay. But these are not independent events under the "lies" theory.
I think we'd best accept perception is reality and decide what we want for our country.

MaxedOutMama said...

It is more than a stretch to see that as a rape joke, Ann. Really. Time to go out and take a walk - this election has gotten to you.

In the common parlance, that just means that the speaker doesn't like the person. "Space" is not the new slang for vagina.

Leave the rats - get some sun.

damikesc said...

I'm not getting "rape joke". I'm getting "Who's want to be CLOSER to her?"

I'd have personally used "Why would I want what her husband does not?" personally.

"I listen to all of this and I feel it so personally, and I'm sure that many of you do, too, particularly the women,” Obama said. “The shameful comments about our bodies, the disrespect of our intelligence. The belief you can do anything to a woman? It is cruel. It's frightening. And the truth is, it hurts. It hurts.

"...but enough about my good friend Jay Z."

That's the problem when you're trying so DESPERATELY to look hip --- if you never listened to the music you claim to love, you come across like a fucking idiot whining about how offensive Trump's words are when you claim to love words far, FAR worse.

“So many have worked for so many years against this kind of violence and abuse and disrespect. But here we are in 2016 we're hearing these exact same things every single day on the campaign trail,” she continued. “We are drowning in it. And all of us are doing what women have always done, we're trying to keep our heads above water. Just trying to get through it. Trying to pretend like this doesn't really bother us.”...<<<

Umm, when do feminists even attempt to "pretend like this doesn't really bother us"? They seem to be OBSESSED with being bothered.

...“I know it's a campaign, but this isn't about politics. It's about basic human decency. It's about right and wrong,” she said. “And we cannot endure this or expose our children to this any longer, not for another minute, let alone for four years..."

"so, I eventually stopped attending Rev Wright's church. Only took about 20 years, but I couldn't handle four more years of it."

Now is the time for all of us to stand up and say, enough is enough. This has got to stop right now.”...<<

Man, she wants to ban rap!

Bigotry is dumb. It is stupid. Whether it be sexist, or racist, or homophobic or Islamophobic or an unreasonable, silly fear of others - bigotry is a sign of stupidity.

Trump and too many of his followers are too stupid, too dense and unconscious to grasp, to begin to comprehend what is going on...


Man, a 180 degree change in tone in two paragraphs. Do multiple people write your posts?

Moore, who is very popular in conservative Christian circles

I've never heard of her. But who knows conservative Christians better...a conservative Christian or the NYT? Really.

There was no "side" of the stage for pity sake

...then how'd he "stalk" her?

Bill Clinton doesn't want to fuck her. There is zero evidence that ANY man has a desire to fuck her. Why do you assume Trump would want to?

I wouldn't fuck Hillary with the Wookie First Lady's dick.

hey we're not talking about an artist, rapper or tv mogul here... any of those occupations you can pretty much ignore or steer around.. we're talking about a candidate for potus, someone who will represent us all.. and in trumps case a person with a certifiable history of icky, bad behavior that has drawn some people to his side that you probably (i hope) would have the decency not to want to associate with...

Michelle claimed to be offended by his comments...yet she claims to listen to dramatically worse. It's like seeing Larry Flynt discuss how "whore-y" a woman is.

damikesc said...

4. Trump has been openly engaged, before running for president, in a pattern of stereotypical playboy behavior. So, in the future don't run one of those. Cold fish - mormons and Amish - from now on. Private admissions to Billy Bush and public admissions on e.g. Howard Stern, Playboy interviews.

You can also use closeted gays.

Don't see a lot of passion between Barack and Michelle. Now, between Barack and his dude friends...

Who's for bets, should Trump lose, this stop being mentioned the day after? I mean, remember all of the women Cain allegedly harassed. He drops out and that stopped almost instantly.

Unknown said...

On my local rag, I saw a poster, much like Sunsong and our other "unknown" who literally referred to Bill Clinton's excesses as "good ol boy fun" and he was a "grab bag of fun" and that no one minded Bill's advances with women. Then that poster in the same post attacked Trump as a sexual pervert/rapist who should based on his deeds be strung up from the nearest lamppost.

Just like Sunsong is here praising Michelle Obama.... and completely ignoring her Beyonce and Jay-Z obsession (try listening to Beyonce's lyrics) and how she sent her daughter to work on the set of "Girls".

But then, I suspect that the leftists here worship Ted Kennedy, and likely because he killed a woman. That makes him more attractive to them, somehow.

--Vance

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

And some dummies here would compare us to Mumbai.

Why not? In Mumbai, some of the attackers took time off from the main raid to find and kill the vanishingly-few Jews in the vast city, just for kicks. Sound like anyone you've heard of lately? Compare raids in this country. There is more anti-Jewish violence than there is violence directed at any other group, and it comes much more from the Left and from Muslim immigrants than from the Right.

Rick said...

MaxedOutMama said...
It is more than a stretch to see that as a rape joke, Ann


Maybe she's pointing out Hillary doesn't know what "stalk" means.

EMD said...

mormons

Worked like aces in 2012!

Michael K said...

"Why are you back? It was so nice here without you. "

Actually, Inga, I said I would stay away until after the election. However, quite a few commenters I recognized, not you obviously, asked me to come back.

I'm sure you prefer your own opinions.

AJ Lynch said...

Althouse- I agree with what Paul said at 12:16PM.

Nonapod said...

and in trumps case a person with a certifiable history of icky, bad behavior that has drawn some people to his side that you probably (i hope) would have the decency not to want to associate with...

Speaking for myself, I have never liked Trump. I think my posts here over the past year and a half have made that pretty clear. I never wanted him as a nominee. I ranked him at the bottom of the original 17 or 18 GOP nominees (the only people I disliked as much were Jeb, Christie, and Huckabee, for different reasons). And the various allegations and recollections that have popped up over the past week or so obviously haven't exactly helped improve my opinion of him to say the least. I would rather have almost anyone else at this point (maybe even Jeb, Christie, or Huckabee).

All that said, I believe that Hillary is a truly evil person. I believe she and her husband and cronies have destroyed far more lives than Trump has. I believe that if she were elected president, she would continue this legacy of corruption and personal enrichment at the expense of the American people.

Under the Obama Administration, many of the institutions have been at least partially politicized. The FBI, the Justice Dept., and the IRS are the most egregious examples. I believe that President Hillary Clinton would continue to use these institutions as weapons against her political and personal enemies.

Donald Trump may be a sexually aggressive narcissist, but Hillary Clinton may be a cold calculating psychopath.

Achilles said...

This topic is a complete joke and demonstrates how pathetic and hypocritical you have to be to support Hillary Clinton.

If anything posted by the Hillary supporters here is any way influential to you feel shame. Everything the Hillary campaign is based on is a lie and only reprehensible people support her.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

hey we're not talking about an artist, rapper or tv mogul here... any of those occupations you can pretty much ignore or steer around..

The point is that the Obamas aren't "steering around." They're in full-fledged embrace mode. Beyonce and Jay-Z are all good. Pimps and hos and nasty sex w/o (required) consent, all good. Rape, fine.

FullMoon said...

Sexist claptrap, in my opinion, but Trump's response, which starts out okay, ends in what I'm seeing as a rape joke:

Said while apparently not realizing the innuendo of Hillary's pussy being a Clap (syphilis) trap.
But wait! Might that be the cause of her medical problems?

rhhardin said...

rh huh?... you can't be serious...

I could go into the physics of touch, where what is not touching is as important as what is touching, and the effect of underwear, but take my word for it. Or ask any high school boy, which is the age that this is discovered.

Physics was always interesting to boys.

buwaya said...

"... to just assume that everyone is lying all the time is a hard way to live..."

Everyone is lying all the time. We all do, unconsciously, semi-consciously, inadvertently, and deliberately, which we generally just unconsciously rationalize. We are very clever animals, very very good at rationalization.

We communicate an incomplete, inaccurate, unqualified world view with every attempt at communication - often referred to as bias, or spin, which is skewed by our need to communicate something suitable to our purpose, whatever it is at the moment.

The most truthful communications are between people collaborating on a physical or technical task or problem, where all are deliberately striving for accuracy and completeness in order to achieve something external. This is because while we are perfectly fine deceiving each other, the real physical world does not care and can't be deceived.

This is why engineers are the closest to God, the bearers of such truth there is, the epitome of mankind, the chosen people.

That is just the way it is.

Peter said...

Obviously whatever space Hillary occupies is her space.

Therefore, if she walks into your space you'd better move. As the bully said, "Get your face out of my fist!"

Milwaukee said...

Ann: if you were triggered into thinking that was a "rape joke" perhaps it is because you have some emotional/psychological damage from past abuse. Therapy and medication can help you, tons. HiLIARy wonders in front of him, and then claim he is stalking her.

Rape is a serious and rape victims need our sympathy and support. However, making trivialities into "rape" is demeaning to real victims. So, do you need to actually, you know, be a lawyer to be a law professor?

sunsong said...

Michelle Dulak Thomson,

I assume that you are not wanting to defend the other forms of bigotry that I listed? If so, I am glad and happy for you :-)

It’s good to be afraid of actual threats. It is NOT good to be afraid of people based on the color of their skin, the religion they belong to, their gender, who they love, etc. It is simply not intelligent to make judgments about people you don’t know based on shallow and minimally significant characteristics rather than getting to know them. We are individuals after all.

What is dumb is to paint ALL Muslins with the same brush, as if ALL Christians are the same :-) Terrorists come in all religions and no religion. Terrorism is the problem. And that kind of rage and violence and desire to cruelly harm others is fearful and something we need to be smart about. I think we can help a lot by paying attention to aggressive, insulting, mean-spirited people in our own smaller circles. Love is what ultimately matters in the larger picture, imo.

GWash said...

let me guess.. you are an engineer?

Michael said...

sunsong at 12:39 you make your own point. An own goal. Nice.

rhhardin said...

However, making trivialities into "rape" is demeaning to real victims

It's an interest group conflict!

R.J. Chatt said...

Trump was accused of invading Hillary's space, was that a rape joke? After she crossed the stage he appeared in the camera to be standing behind her. He's 6'3" she's about 5'4". What was he supposed to do, run away and cede the stage? I suppose that was the plan; everything with Hillary is contrived and orchestrated.

I generally like Michelle but this time she is so full of it, conflating private and public comments by Trump. She knows that at no time in his campaign has Trump said demeaning comments about women. Bill Clinton had an extra marital affair in the White House, but according to Democrats that doesn't count because he's not running for president now. They are claiming the moral high ground, doncha know?

Who knows what Obama has said in private about women when he's talking to his bros? We know now he likes to flash his cock. He was definitely not shy about it. I can say I've never seen a grown man, let alone a president, do something like that in public.

Jim Nicholson said...

"Rape jokes" are perfectly OK when directed at a Clinton.

Sorry, the outrage horse left the barn back in the 1990s.

Otto said...

I am struck by the the irony that AA is a suggesting that men are rapists yet she was proud to say that there was always a playboy magazine on the coffee table in her parents home. I think she would say that was because the showed rebellion against the oppressive sexual traditional mores of that period. Sexual inhibition was her game back then but now the prudish outlook of all men are rapists is her game.

Michael K said...

"Terrorists come in all religions and no religion."

I am especially afraid of Amish terrorists.

And then there are the Jewish suicide bombers.

The Baptist stabbings are a real problem.

Terry said...

"And so he was really trying to dominate and then literally stalk me around the stage and I would just feel this presence behind me."

Every word Hillary says is scripted.
"Dominate"
"Stalk"
Hillary's prized demographic is women who fear and hate men. The more that she can get them to believe that she will rally the federal government on their behalf, the more likely they are to go to the polls.

R.J. Chatt said...

Call it the "2016 Presidential Erection." Sorry, couldn't help making the joke.

buwaya said...

"let me guess.. you are an engineer?"

Of course.

holdfast said...

Maybe he's saying she smells like old lady pants? I mean, it Depends, right?

Still, very class going straight for the R word. You have a big future at NBC.

AprilApple said...

Ellen puts a smile on fascism.

Paul Ciotti said...

Sunsong: "In one minute and 42 seconds, Michelle Obama changes the trajectory of this campaign."

That assumes of course that there are people who didn't quit listening to Michelle when she made the remark about never being proud of her country (until she realized she could actually become the First Lady).

holdfast said...

What everyone is forgetting is that when Trump did most (all?) of this stuff he was a Democrat. A rich, white, male, NYC Democrat. He correctly (at the time) assumed that he was safe from any consequences. I mean, if you're a rich, white, male, Democrat you can fly to "Pedophile Island" on the "Lolita Express" WITH PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON and suffer no consequences. In this company Trump was a piker, a nothing, a wannabe.

It's only since he changed party affiliation that any of this matters. Before he was just enjoying his White Male Democrat Privilege.

buwaya said...

Leave everything else trivial out of the question.
Forget gossip, or outrage, or soap operas or money or standards of living. All that trivial stuff.

This is what the Democrats want to do to the kids - what they are ALREADY doing to the kids.

The San Francisco Unified School District recommended reading list for HIGH SCHOOLS. 14-18 year olds.

https://sfpl.bibliocommons.com/list/share/378227437/624641398

This is not a joke. I have spoken with many many teachers and librarians in the district for many years and seen a great deal like this, I know whats done in classrooms. This is also typical of California public school districts. This explains a very great deal about the modern world.

Look, Sunsong, you poor little deprived cretin, this is what your people do. This is worse than simple mass-murder. This is MIND murder. This is brain-slaughter. Of your kids. Of Democrats kids. And it happens everyday, with smiles.

There is no horror-movie as terrifying as this, if you understand the consequences, and of what once was.

BJM said...

Sunsong - ...bigotry is a sign of stupidity.

Trump and too many of his followers are too stupid, too dense and unconscious to grasp, to begin to comprehend what is going on...


Troll and logic fail.

Hyphenated American said...

"Trump and too many of his followers are too stupid, too dense and unconscious to grasp, to begin to comprehend what is going on..."

Well, a whole lot of the best and the brightest liberals believed that "if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance". Even Obama, the smartest liberal of all times believed that. So, you guys have an actual undeniable record of being dumber than a door knob.

rhhardin said...

The technical librarian where I used to work refused to order "Our Black Foremothers" even after I circled it for her.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Sunsong: "In one minute and 42 seconds, Michelle Obama changes the trajectory of this campaign."

I wasn't counting--for how long did she hug rapist Bill Clinton on stage at the Dem. Convention, again?
Yeah, the Left has no patience for sexual assault & rape, of course, of course.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Terry said...Every word Hillary says is scripted.
"Dominate"
"Stalk"


Yuuup. Scott Adams would be proud- that's some Master Persuader stuff, right there.

MayBee said...

Back when we weren't so easily outraged, Obama's guys "groped" Hillary Clinton.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/12/obama-favreau.html

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Ann Althouse said...ay, ends in what I'm seeing as a rape joke

Triggered!

(Triggered)

MayBee said...

I bet Putin will respect Hillary's space.

MayBee said...

Don't stand so
Don't stand so
Don't stand so close to me...

Rick said...

sunsong said... I think we can help a lot by paying attention to aggressive, insulting, mean-spirited people in our own smaller circles.

Revealingly sunsong doesn't do this. Instead she trolls the out-group looking for opportunities to tar them all with the statements of the few, the very action she decries when applied to her political allies. You see this a lot in the far left who apparently believe if you say you're doing it for love your actions don't matter.

Michael K said...

"let me guess.. you are an engineer?"

Of course.


A month ago I was interviewing a young woman engineer who was joining the military. We talked for a while telling engineer jokes. They never change although I could tell her a few old ones. Fifty years and the jokes are almost the same.

Sunsong, keep trying. Do try to cut down on the condescension. There are people here with more degrees than you have.

MayBee said...

How in the world can Democrats pretend to be so outraged about this?

They LOVED they Lion of the Senate, Ted Kennedy. He mentored Obama.
They have not turned away from Bill Clinton.
They laughed off Obama's speechwriter grasping cardboard Hillary's breast!
Huma is married to Anthony Weiner!

OK. let's say all this is true about Trump. The best this does is get the Clintons and him back to neutral.

MayBee said...

How much attention have Bill Clinton's accusers gotten this week, vs Trump's?

This is crazy town.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

MayBee said...
Don't stand so
Don't stand so
Don't stand so close to me...


Unrelated: YT: Nirvana - Rape Me

eric said...

Blogger sunsong said...
Michelle Dulak Thomson,

I assume that you are not wanting to defend the other forms of bigotry that I listed? If so, I am glad and happy for you :-)


Did you fail to see Gahries response to you?


What is dumb is to paint ALL Muslins with the same brush,


Is this a parody account? Or did you forget you wrote previously....

Trump and too many of his followers are too stupid, too dense and unconscious to grasp, to begin to comprehend what is going on...

I find it hard to believe anyone can seriously be so inconsistent in their logic. You must be a parody account.

eric said...

They LOVED they Lion of the Senate,

Don't forget they love and idolize JFK, who they admit was a womanizer and consummate philanderer.

Todd said...

AprilApple said...
Ellen puts a smile on fascism.
10/14/16, 2:17 PM


Well why not, it is "her" fascism that is taking over. Why shouldn't she smile. She is going to love it right up to the point they put the barrel against the back of her head. Then the bulb will light, she will get those big wide cow eyes and maybe, just maybe there will be time for one small tear to fall...

Big Mike said...

@Althouse, if you'd unclench your pearls for a moment and arise from your fainting couch, can you point out to me at least one policy of Hillary Clinton's you support? If you can find one or more such policies, can you provide evidence that she has the staff and political skills to achieve it?

This assignment is also given to sunsong.

Achilles said...

Wikileaks's leads the trends on google. Even if Hillary is elected she will not have popular support.

Leviathan will fall one way or another. It will go easier on everyone if it is done politically.

Clayton Hennesey said...

If rape jokery can be as easily defined as Althouse does - a woman's vagina occupies the entirety of her "space" itself - then we no longer need concern ourselves with rape. How could we stop it? It's everywhere, permeating everything, like the atmosphere.

First racism, now rape. Another worry I can safely leave behind.

buwaya said...

As a contrast to what they feed the proles

https://sfpl.bibliocommons.com/list/share/378227437/624641398

(the SFUSD is largely proles, most of anyone with money is in private schools there; albeit mostly Asian proles who are really good at math) their no-less-Asian master class in Palo Alto get this -

http://www.paly.net/academics/english/reading_list

Granted there is a lot of PC foolishness and fluff in it, but you certainly could learn something from most of it, and its still far better than what you will see in the Cal State Colleges and for the most part in the UC's.

One of the better juxtapositions of how the Democrat PTB like to arrange things.

Brian McKim & Traci Skene said...

Must everything be about sex and rape? This a joke based solely on language/wordplay. It's all about proximity, not pussy.

holdfast said...

Remember, groper and killer Ted Kennedy was the "Liberal Lion of the Senate". Chris Dodd was a much beloved Democrat icon.

But poor widdle Hillawy was "scared" of bid bad Donald on a stage in front of thousand of people.

Quick - somebody make this mewling victim into the Commander in Chief!


But she's totes good to go to face down the world's tyrants. Oh that's right, she will just kiss their rings and cash their checks.

Sebastian said...

"Trump's response, which starts out okay, ends in what I'm seeing as a rape joke." No. But what I'm seeing here is that we are fucked.

Clayton Hennesey said...

But poor widdle Hillawy was "scared" of bid bad Donald on a stage in front of thousand of people.

Despite what respondents tell the pollsters, this may very well be the factor that costs Hillary the election across demographics and why she lost to Obama the first time. In the crunch, enough Americans simply don't yet consider a woman as tough as a man.

The passive-aggressive casting of "rape space" certainly doesn't help Hillary.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Sebastian said...
"Trump's response, which starts out okay, ends in what I'm seeing as a rape joke." No. But what I'm seeing here is that we are fucked.

10/14/16, 3:27 PM


Everyone who feels that way about a Hillary Clinton victory, but is not going to crawl over broken glass to vote Trump and bring friends, is fucking themselves.

coupe said...

Neither Ellen or Hillary have had any cock in so long, they think anything with a penis is a threat.

I suspect Hillary used Webster Hubbel, that's where the semen came from that got her pregnant. Her kid looks just like him.

You can look back at her college pictures. She was a skank, and probably queer from birth.

I know Bubba had nicer girls available to play hide the cigar with.

She married her senior project, and he's been enjoying the fringe benefits.

AprilApple said...

Teddy Kennedy committed vehicular manslaughter and he was rewarded with a lifetime in the senate.

Bill and Hillary lie, rape and pillage - turn the State Dept into their own personal cash register - and they are rewarded with hundreds of millions of dollars and a fawning Ellen.

Joe said...

"live a more virtuous life.. be a man and always try to do the right thing..."

Romney did that and was crucified by the press, the Democrats and some Republicans.

GRW3 said...

Seems like purposely showing your Johnson display to bunch of women reporters is way more rapey than a bull session with another guy.

Trump may not win but his fight has forced the media to lose all pretense of objectivity. In post election analysis, many more people will come to realize the media are, per Instapundit, Democratic operatives with bylines.

Consider this: Billionaire - Gloria Allred She's made a fortune off of such things, why wait until an election that looked it might slip away to act. Well, maybe because it isn't true. And where will the Clintons be when these poor women lose everything in liable suits - in Whitehouse blissfully uncaring. There is no reciprocal loyalty with these people.

Michael K said...

"I suspect Hillary used Webster Hubbel, that's where the semen came from that got her pregnant. Her kid looks just like him."

Probably via a turkey baster, at that.

Martin said...

"So I’m standing at my podium by my chair. She walks across the room. She’s standing in front of me, right next to me,” Trump claimed.“And the next day I said what did the papers say? They said, ‘he invaded her space,’” he said. “Believe me, the last space that I want to invade is her space.”

No way in hell is that a rape joke, it's a comment on the media saying he invaded her personal space and he is saying that's ridiculous. Maybe that he doesn't want to be close to her, but nothing at all, nada, zilch about rape or sexual congress of any kind.

If you see rape in there, you need to take a deep breath and count to 10 because you are losing it. You're responding exactly as the media and Clinton campaign want you to... putting things in Trump's mouth or mind that go far beyond anything he said or did.

In some ways he is an obnoxious person, no doubt. But this is all way beyond ridiculous. Even if I set aside all the questions about the plausibility of the claims being made, and accept it all, no one has suggested he did to anyone what Bill Clinton did to Jaunita Broadrick, and Hilary helped cover up. Nor is anyone saying we obviously made a mistake electing Bill Clinton, who did the same and worse using government power and prestige, so we shouldn't elect Trump.

Meanwhile, there are real issues out there, not least the complete breakdown of the international order, which Clinton did so much to ruin, and no one is even trying to talk about any of that.

Fabi said...

Don't forget that current Hillary surrogate Al Gore whipped down the sheets and begged his masseuse for a "happy ending". Sounds rape-y to me.

Cheryl said...

This is not a rape joke. It's double entendre but not a rape joke. Please stop.

You wrote (quoting someone else? I'm not sure) a few days ago to the effect that Trump opponents take him literally but not seriously, while his supporters take him seriously but not literally. I thought that was quite insightful and very true. This is one of those times to take him seriously but not literally.

It also occurred to me, with Hillary's comment, that somehow she tries to exist in the world she wishes were true. Anything, no matter how long ago, that isn't how she wishes it were is terrible and must be someone's fault. Trump, on the other hand, deals with the world as it is and manages to get actual things done.

I know what I'm talking about. I was a woman engineer at a construction engineering firm in the early 90s (one of three women engineers there). I could have spent all my time worrying about the jokes and the "sugars" and I wouldn't have gotten my work done. Or I could do what I actually DID--ignored the assholes, joked back with the non-assholes, and got my work done. And projects got built. It's just one more example of living in the real world or the I-wish-it-were world.

Bad Lieutenant said...

I will say, Chuck, wretch that you are, that you have a good point about "what is the single biggest thing out of WikiLeaks?" That's the kind of people we are, we need our thinking done for us, our information prechewed and predigested, we have to have a headline, short words.

Probably every single revelation out of the emails is more important than any of Trump's purported antics, but the effect of there being so many of them is much like the idea behind the MX missile basing concept "Dense Pack." The first incoming warhead throws up so much schmutz that following bombs can't do any good.

The Clintons are like a poison gas, they're everywhere and nowhere. You can't punch a cloud of gas, so it's tough to fight. Doesn't mean it isn't worth doing, if you can figure it out.

Achilles said...

Hillary email to Podesta with sensitive intelligence.

All of the reasons she should be in jail:

1. Violates the espionage act in several ways.

2. Clearly shows she committed perjury in her congressional testimony.

3. Clearly shows she deleted emails that were under subpoena by congress. Obstruction of justice for the idiot Clinton supporters.

4. She deleted this email which by federal law she was supposed to turn over to the state department when she was read off the job.

I or any service member would be in jail for multiple years for this one email. If you vote for Hillary Clinton you are a disgusting human being.

khesanh0802 said...

Oh, come on , Ann. How the hell else is Trump supposed to say he doesn't want to be near her. He uses a play on words. Is this campaign going to destroy our sense of humor along with everything else?

Achilles said...

Another rape protest interrupts poor shmoopsy the hypocrite

Every Hillary supporter is a ridiculous hypocrite. You should all be ashamed.

Achilles said...

Clintons withold emails to and from Obama on personal email server citing "presidential privilege" to break the law

"As the White House has previously stated, Secretary Clinton and the President did on occasion exchange emails. As they have also said previously, such presidential records shall remain confidential to protect the President’s ability to receive unvarnished advice and counsel but will ultimately be released in accordance with the Presidential Records Act."

This election is about how much people can lie to themselves and whether or not they are willing to flush their soul down the toilet for Hillary.

Big Mike said...

Putin is going to have so much fun pushing her around. She'll complain to Ellen Degenerate, of course but then what? Does she think she or Chelsea or her grandkids would survive even a conventional war with Russia, much less s nuclear exchange? Remember that this is the woman so dumb she couldn't find anyone who could translate "reset" into Russian.

hombre said...


@sunsong: Michelle Obama has always occurred as a hypocritical ingrate.

It is only now that we have learned she was born in 1999 after Peyronie Bill's predatory presidency.

hombre said...

Rape joke?

Seriously?

Unknown said...

Achilles should be ashamed of being such a self righteous ninny.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

You want a joke? Here's a joke: AP: Clinton Says She Can't Recall Key Details About Email Server

Rule of law, accountability, ha-ha-ha-ha! Grrrl power.

Michael said...

buwaya

Thanks for those two links. Stunning contrast and a 30 second explanation of why the rich get richer.

MayBee said...

Clinton world already created fake sexist Craigslists ads to use against Donald Trump:
Wikileaks: Mark and Luis – digital created a fake craigslist jobs post for women who want to apply to jobs one of Trump’s organizations. This will be a microsite and we still need to send it to Perkins. Since we will be pitching this, need your approval please.

Would they find fake victims, too?

Sebastian said...

@BL: "Everyone who feels that way about a Hillary Clinton victory, but is not going to crawl over broken glass to vote Trump and bring friends, is fucking themselves." Point taken. But I mainly meant to refer to AA's unbelievable rape joke point. If even AA can't see through the BS being shoveled anymore, and buys into the war-on-women memes enough to construe what T said as a rape joke, there's not much left to be said or done.

David said...

I heard the "space invader" claim from my sister in law the day after the debate. It looked to me as if it happened just the way Trump says, which was that he stepped in front of her.

Once she is president she will not have to come within 100 feet of anyone she doesn't want near her. I can see her sitting at her desk at one end of the oval office and Bill plastered against the wall at the other.

Will she even let Bill into the oval office? Not if she is smart. Very bad optics on so many levels.

bagoh20 said...

"Sexist claptrap, in my opinion, but..." followed by more sexist claptrap.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

sunsong,

You can't really mean this. To believe otherwise would mean that every variety of racism and sexism had free rein. What, you don't see that? You don't see that you're letting everyone's demons loose?

Michael Fitzgerald said...

"what I'm seeing as a rape joke"- Of course. That's what you want to see, and what you want to hear. As we all know, Americans must now be careful of what they say, lest someone be offended by what they want to hear.

n.n said...

AA can't see through the BS being shoveled anymore

Althouse can see it. She recognizes abortion for what it is, the premeditated termination of a wholly innocent human life. She recognizes "=" for what it is, and went to great lengths to rationalize selective exclusion. She probably recognizes [class] diversity for what it is, institutional racism, sexism, etc. -- judgement by "color of skin". She recognizes the liberal culture that degraded women and human relationships. It doesn't matter. The moderate center goes along to get along. The liberals and progressives have their Pro-Choice quasi-religion and twilight fantasies that calm the cognitive dissonance.

Anyway, it's a baby hunt. The liberal culture cannot tolerate rational introspection.

Karen said...

You're really reaching, Ann. He's just saying that he finds her unattractive and wouldn't want to get close to her.

Qwinn said...

It's a good thing we're discussing this, rather than this:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/13/wikileaks-clinton-sent-intelligence-info-to-podestas-hacked-email-account/

This is smoking gun material. None of Comey's bullshit excuses for not prosecuting can hold up in light of this.

But it's more important to completely make up bullshit about Trump (rape joke? That's seriously, literally an utterly insane interpretation. That's extreme SJW territory, and I think even most of them would have thought twice before alleging something that far fetched.) And I don't even LIKE Trump.

But blowing off the fact that we now have both proof and content of Hillary sending classified info, *and that information was provably hacked*... sorry, but this level of bullshit rises to End Of The Republic status.

n.n said...

Rape, rape-rape, or projection? This reminds me of the "black hole" incident where a civil rights business raped a corporation. Or the female chauvinists who sacrifice women, men, children, and babies, for their political progress.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

AprilApple,

Teddy Kennedy committed vehicular manslaughter and he was rewarded with a lifetime in the senate.

It might have been "vehicular manslaughter" under the law. In fact, it was letting a girl slowly drown to death while Teddy himself went home and changed his clothes. That ought to have disqualified him from holding any office whatsoever. Instead, we had about three decades of him. "The Lion of the Senate." Sweet.

Between that and HRC's "friend and mentor," the late Senator and Grand Dragon of the KKK, Robert Byrd, I'm not too happy with the Democratic Party. Of course, those were both old hands.

sunsong said...

Michelle Dulak Thomson,

Everyone's demons ARE lose. You don't see that? That's a big reason why there is so much pain and suffering and violence in this world.

Yeah, I do mean it. Bigotry is stupid. Negativity is dumb. Terrorism is dangerous and we need to respond wisely, not from simple-minded bigotries.

Matthew Sablan said...

Not a classy joke, but I think if she's accusing him of stalking her, with a deliberate sexual angle, it's fine for him to respond in kind.

Jupiter said...

Sunsong,

Since you are doubling down on your "stupid" theory, let me ask you a question. Suppose a woman is standing alone on a subway platform in NYC at 3 AM. A train stops with the gap between two cars directly in front of her. There is exactly one rider in each car. There is a man in the front car. There is a woman in the back car. Which car should she choose?

Given the well-known fact that most assaults, and almost all sexual assaults, are committed by men, I would advise her to choose to ride with the woman. I would say that such a choice is certainly "sexist", but very far from stupid. What is stupid is allowing your naive idealism to guide you in matters of grave importance, against your better judgment based upon your own and others' experience. When the only life at stake is your own, it is merely perverse. When others' lives are at stake, it is selfish, irresponsible and immoral.

The Cracker Emcee said...

Despite all of Hillary's advantages I have to wonder if whipping men, and to a lesser degree white folks, out of the Democrat Party is a winning electoral strategy.

AprilApple said...

Democrats feel so entitled to their power, how DARE he, or anyone, share the stage with her.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

Jupiter, I agree. The same goes with whether to cross the street when you (a woman) encounter a bunch of men. I am told first that (a) you should do whatever you feel necessary to feel safe; and (b) you shouldn't avoid them; that'd be sexist! And racist, if they weren't of your race. Or even if they were of your race, because we have scary black men and scary white men and scary Asian men and scary Latino men and scary Amerindian men and ...

Anyway, the "scared white woman clutching her purse" is such a stereotype now. I had -- not a purse, but a sort of brief -- nearly snatched a couple of decades ago. I was happy and joyful; it was my birthday, and I was carrying an armful of flowers along with the brief. I was with my professor, walking across SF Civic Center. Then this guy came up and tried to tear the brief out of my hands. He didn't succeed, because I held on.

I won't say what race the guy was. Leave that to your own imaginations.

buwaya said...

"Everyone's demons ARE loose. You don't see that? That's a big reason why there is so much pain and suffering and violence in this world."

And so it has always been. Nothing at all new about demons. History teaches perspective.
They do a truly rotten job of teaching history these days. Worse, that's what they mean to do, a rotten job.

"Bigotry is stupid. Negativity is dumb. "

Bigotry is prudent. Negativity is wise.
Both have much better historical support than the opposite.
It was the "progressive" way to attach some "just so" story to their preferred attitudes, thereby seeking to justify them, but it was never really so, once you open the hood. The actual engines of history don't look a bit like the stories.

buwaya said...

the "scared white woman clutching her purse"

Is probably clutching her Apple iphone these days.
But she's still clutching.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

How many posts has cruelly neutral AA done on DLT's sleazy statements? Answer: 5 a day avaerage. How many posts on the ongoing congressional investigation into the Clinton/Obama/FBI/DOJ conspiracy and cover-up? Answer: 0 and counting. Cruelly neutral....

buwaya said...

"walking across SF Civic Center."

Any walk through there should convince anyone of the stupidity of modern social policy.
Potentially a lovely place, which should be the gathering spot of the city, the forum franciscanum (maybe I have messed up my Latin). But no, it is overrun with lowlifes. My wife and daughter wont go there without me.

I have been accosted there, with attempted robbery, on several occasions.

Ken B said...

Your reading only makes sense if all sex is rape. Saying I'd rather dive head first into a pool of my own vomit than have sex with some woman I loathe would be a sex joke, not a rape joke.

Gahrie said...

Terrorism is dangerous and we need to respond wisely, not from simple-minded bigotries.

No we need to respond ferociously and determinedly. Do you think we win any sympathy or consideration when we act with restraint and timidity against our enemies? Of course we don't. We are seen as weak and as suckers by our enemies all over the world.

It is long past time to show they world that if you fuck with us we will kill people and break things, until you get the message to leave us the fuck alone.

We have been fighting this war for 1,400 years, and the only respite we get is when we inflict pain on them. Then they leave us alone for a generation or two.

CWJ said...

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a space is just a space.

Diogenes of Sinope said...

All words spoken by men are evaluated with the assumption they are are sexist misogynistic pigs. Men must carefully guard every word they say in most all situations. Where I work men actively avoid all one to one interactions with women.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

buwaya,

That was actually the only attempted crime I experienced there. Lots of begging, though. There was a man I ran across many times. He always said "I haven't eaten for two days." I offered him my packed dinner. He said he couldn't eat it; bad teeth. I said, OK, take me to somewhere you can get food that doesn't offend your teeth. He said, we need to go to Chinatown. I said, OK, let's. At that point he did take my dinner. Suspicious, yet?

I'm thinking meth. The tooth thing was pretty obvious.

Michael K said...

"we need to respond wisely, not from simple-minded bigotries."

One person's bigotry is another's wisdom.

Years ago, I was walking through San Francisco about 2 AM with my wife and a couple from Holland. He was a surgeon attending the College of Surgeons meeting there. As we walked I warned them that it was not safe to do so alone. There were four of us so it was probably OK (That was 30 years ago and it was probably true then). He laughed and said he had been in the Dutch Resistance and had killed a dozen Germans with his bare hands. I told him I felt much safer.

buwaya said...

"I'm thinking meth. The tooth thing was pretty obvious."

Much, much meth. Much insanity too. I have had too many occasions for late business there -

I was variously -

- assaulted with an iron bar (randomly, I was just walking along) walking back late from the Opera.

- kicked by two characters after refusing their begging in the evening by the Fed courthouse.

- My android phone was snatched while leaving a school board meeting.

Gahrie said...

"live a more virtuous life.. be a man and always try to do the right thing..."

Romney did that and was crucified by the press, the Democrats and some Republicans.


Romney was the straw that broke the camel's back, with me, and a lot of other people, many of whom today support Trump.

Romney was objectively a good man, who had led a generous, successful and exemplary life. He should be a role model for our children. He was the man we needed for the times....he has spent his life turning around failure. Imagine where our country could be today if he had won.

That the MSM would be willing to, and indeed eager to, collude with the Democratic Party to demonize and destroy this man is horrifying. The fact that they could take his "binders full of women" remark, and successfully turn it into an attack on women is a condemnation of the state of our republic.

The MSM and the Democratic Party have cried wolf too many times, and now when there may indeed be a real wolf at the door, no one is listening.

Harold said...

So, in a debate, you DON'T want to dominate? Doesn't sound right. As a president, I want someone who can dominate a room, or a debate, or a bunch of diplomats or foreign leaders.

Priscilla said...

It was not a rape joke. It was a snarky, NY-style joke, from a snarky New Yorker. What is wrong with people?

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