April 20, 2011

"Oh, God. So pathetic. I never thought I'd feel sorry for Caribou Barbie. Go lie down in your political grave, Hon. It's over."

That's one of 2 top-rated comments at YouTube on Meade's video, which I blogged here, showing Sarah Palin giving a speech here in Madison over obnoxious noise-making by people who don't like her. I blogged my video of the same thing here, where I question why these people thought it was a good idea to try to drown out the speaker.)

Go lie down in your political grave.... That's what YouTube viewers have given the most "thumbs up" to.

A more civil comment:
And to add a personal experience about yesterday here in Madison. Before the rally I had a very good civil discussion with a tea party member and I had gone into the day with the goal of getting as many hugs from them as possible haha. I got one from him and one from a lady at the rally. SO although it was loud and contentious, there were a couple walls brought down. Although I did go back to booing and being kind of obnoxious, it was more directed at Palin though.
See? He thinks he's a good guy.

By the way, the liberal meme on Saturday's rally is that pathetically few tea partiers showed up. Now, why was that? With Sarah Palin appearing, you'd think there would have been an impressive crowd. Is it that Palin and the Tea Party movement are on the wane? Or is it that the kind of people who voted for Scott Walker (and, more recently, Justice Prosser) no longer feel good/safe coming to the Wisconsin Capitol.

133 comments:

James said...

I would have loved to hear Sarah Palin live on Saturday. But I wasn't about to drive then stand in freezing rain and high winds.

I'll catch her when she comes to Waukesha County :)

FloridaSteve said...

I'm not from Wisconsin but from following the coverage on here the only reason I might have attended the Tea Party rally to see Palin would have been as an act of defiance to the protesters. The rest of the atmosphere seemed so unpleasant and hostile (dangerous?) to the Tea Party attendees as to suck any possible joy right out of the event. Rational disagreement might at least illicit sympathy to their point of view but this bullshit?.. no way in hell will I ever sympathize with the left on this one. They want to polarize. Well here you go. Go fuck yourselves.

shoutingthomas said...

Here's a nice article from Taki's Magazine, whatever the hell that is. Apparently British.

Title: Fuck the Public Sector. Seems they've got the same problems over there.

And as an aside, Althouse you revealed your own public sector arrogance yesterday when you gloated that the gay marriage issue will be resolved by fiat by two lawyers and a judge.

Pesky voters. Getting in the way of the regulatory state run by smart people like Althouse. Give them the opportunity to vote and... well, they're just bigots! What can you expect.

FloridaSteve said...

@shouting
That's sort of lame. By your reasoning we'd still have slavery in the south. Pesky judges. Getting in the way of equal rights.

AprilApple said...

Most tea party members (I have my official badge, spy ring and kit right here! Not.)
Most tax payers are sick of the Obama/Pelosi/Schumer leftwing machine that spent trillions in record time and now seeks to remove more of our hard earned money and give it to unions and other machine constituencies. We are not into street theater. We have lives.

btw- After deductions Obama paid 27% tax on his income. OH GOD man - pony up dude and pay the full amount for your $1.7 million income. What a hypocrite.

shiloh said...

After mama grizzly resigned from her high stress job of governing 700k, you could stick a fork in her as indeed politically, she was toast!

You Bet'cha ...

'nuf said!

shoutingthomas said...

You are sorta lame.

The question before us is whether there really is a "equal rights" issue at stake.

You are doing an Althouse. Define something as an "equal rights" issue, and you've automatically disqualified the voters.

Neat trick.

We must leave all "equal rights" issues to our much smarter administrative class.

Oddly, haven't you noticed that all issues are now issues of "bigotry?" All opposition to Obama is "racism."

Naomi said...

So to paraphrase the more civil comment.
The Tea-partiers were nice, I was a jerk (just not directly to them) so I'm hopeful they'll see the light and come around to my way of thinking.
I'm curious what his reaction will be when the people he thinks he was so understanding of and nice to don't see it that way.

shoutingthomas said...

That's sort of lame. By your reasoning we'd still have slavery in the south. Pesky judges. Getting in the way of equal rights.

And, what history books have you been reading?

As I recall, there was a presidential election in 1860 that revolved around the issue of slavery, resulting in the election of Abraham Lincoln.

Which led to the Civil War and 600,000 deaths.

Slavery was resolved in the courts?

Beta Rube said...

I think there are several factors that account for the turn out. Obviously the weather was awful, and I saw a lot of shivering folks who toughed it out for two hours.

The atmosphere was atrocious, as it was very hard to hear all but the loudest speakers. I only heard about half of what Palin said and had to catch up later on the intertubes.

Mostly, though, I think the left is just better at mobilizing and protesting. They have 50 years of perpetual aggrievement, and this is the first overtly political thig I have done since I was a teen.

Also, they lost and this is all they have left. They lost in November, they lost the Supreme Court race, and juvenile foot stomping and wailing is what remains for them.

vet66 said...

The Tea Party, with Wisconsin folks leading the way, have moved on. The clueless drones are at the proverbial train station shouting obscenities at the disappearing caboose.

Their loss is amplified by the death throes of the unions who thew money they could not afford at Walker and Prosser. They doubled-down and lost. The drones in the rain and sleet are left looking for a rainbow that was always an illusion easily exploited by the progressives/marxists.

The useful idiots have been run hard and put away wet.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)



Public Accommodations Act, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ring a bell? It was NOT the courts that secured Civil Rights, but a concerted effort of Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches that ended Segregation. You understand the role the “critical election” of 1964 played in this, right?

garage mahal said...

Or is it that the kind of people who voted for Scott Walker (and, more recently, Justice Prosser) no longer feel good/safe coming to the Wisconsin Capitol.

You are there almost every other day. You know this theory, and others are horseshit, why do you persist in putting them out there? Tax Day Tea Party Rally attendance was down all over the country fron last year, but you knew that.

Shouting Thomas said...

After mama grizzly resigned from her high stress job of governing 700k, you could stick a fork in her as indeed politically, she was toast!

For somebody who's toast, Mama Grizzly has been on just about every major TV news show and her ideas dominate the political arena.

While you, shiloh, are limited to claiming victory for even being noticed by one person in a comments section.

Let the record show...

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Ignorance is Bliss said...

By the way, the liberal meme on Saturday's rally is that pathetically few tea partiers showed up. Now, why was that?

Why were there few tea partiers, or why was that the liberal meme?

I'll answer the second question first. It was the liberal meme because they desperately want the government to go back to business as usual, and for that to happen they need to minimize the influence of the tea party.

Why were there few tea partiers there? Because the tea partiers have been winning, so they are no longer as upset. Therefore they have gone back to their lives. But they have not gone back to sleep. If the politicians go back to business as usual, they will speak up again.

Calypso Facto said...

We are not into street theater. We have lives.

This.

No point in goading or gloating or getting involved in distractions when you're consistently winning elections and advancing legislation.

shiloh said...

consistently winning elections

In 2009 both McDonnell, VA and Christie, NJ did not want palin entering their state. And (3) of palin's TP'ers: O'Donnell, Buck, Angle went down in flames in an otherwise wave mid-term election for Reps.

TosaGuy said...

I didn't go because it was community clean-up day and I thought that quietly doing a good deed where I live was better than spending a day at a rally.

James said...

@TosaGuy.

Are you in Wauwatosa? I heard Belling ripping the City Council yesterday evening.

TosaGuy said...

"By your reasoning we'd still have slavery in the south. Pesky judges. Getting in the way of equal rights."

Exactly. Just look at those judges who gave us the Dred Scott decision.

Henry said...

Or is it that the kind of people who voted for Scott Walker (and, more recently, Justice Prosser) no longer feel good/safe coming to the Wisconsin Capitol.

Or was it that the kind of people who voted for Scott Walker (and, more recently, Justice Prosser) know that voting is more important than shouting.

The low-key crowd won at the ballet box. The deed was done.

Sofa King said...

That's sort of lame. By your reasoning we'd still have slavery in the south.

What? No! What kind of nonsense is this? Slavery was ended once and for all by the 13th Amendment. That is a *legislative* act.

Judicial overreach has not only corroded democracy but apparently history as well. Sheesh.

David said...

I'll be there Wednesday through Saturday next week. I'll be the fearless, civil conservative geezer next to the obnoxious liberal geezer from Delaware (my brother.) Since the weenie with the CPD hat was ready to attack the youthful Althouse before Meade showed his teeth, I'm depending on my nonviolent brother to talk them all out of geezer directed mayhem. I expect him to be my keeper. Nonviolently, of course.

craig said...

shoutingthomas said...

"As I recall, there was a presidential election in 1860 that revolved around the issue of slavery, resulting in the election of Abraham Lincoln. Which led to the Civil War and 600,000 deaths."

More to the point, there was a constitutional amendment (#13) afterward, duly passed by Congress and ratified by the states. It was not an emanation of a penumbra invented by judges.

TosaGuy said...

I am in Wauwatosa. We do have our shenanigans on our city council centered around one alderpeep who is cozying up to the unions in preparation for a run for mayor next year. The core of the issue was three union contracts that had a fair amount of concessions, but not as much as the city could have gotten after the CB privilege bill was in force. In the meantime, the city was paying about $15K a week more under the expired contract. So the issue in the immediate term got couched as a fiscal one and that allowed the moderates cover to vote for the contracts.

DADvocate said...

By your reasoning we'd still have slavery in the south.

Yeah, right. Draw out that line of reasoning. Do they have brains in Florida yet?

PaulV said...

nable to defend Obama incompetence you strike out angrily at the woman who has defined your man's many failure. You agree with the Dems use of bogus lawsuits to try to ruin her financially. Backfired big time on you and yours. That is why you keep attacking her.
wv: cusse I cusse you your lack of civility, loser.

Rit said...

Or is it that the kind of people who voted for Scott Walker (and, more recently, Justice Prosser) no longer feel good/safe coming to the Wisconsin Capitol.
I've certainly scratched Madison off my list of places to visit. In indelible ink, no less.

DADvocate said...

I would have been concerned about violence considering the lefties rushing the capital, harrassing the elected state official, etc. I would have gone had I lived closer just to show I won't be intimidated. Is that what the left's braggging about? Their ability to intimidate?

Conservatives have more kids too. They have to take them to sports, school activities, etc. Lefties only take their kids to political rallies and teach them to be rude and disrespectful.

Yes, Ann, all sorts of people with evil intent rationalize and intellectualize that they are really good people. "Everybody does it." Give a guy a hug while you steal money out of his wallet. You're a good person.

PaulV said...

Shiloh is so dumb he thinks losing 60 some house seats and 7 senate seats in 2010 was a victory for his asses. How about the governor and legislature of WI. In a coma?
Voters show up up elections and beat democrat hillbillies. For sure.

WV": wizirt Off to see the wizert

shiloh said...

Lefties only take their kids to political rallies

Indeed, like 14 y.o. Tricia Willoughby, your inane generalizations notwithstanding.

Cedarford said...

There was a point in the 80s where Jesse Jackson, a Palin analogue, went from viable candidate to ubiquitous media droner with a soundbite ready on any bit of news..and happy to deliver it from his multi-million radio and TV talk show empire he was constructing in Chicago to compliment Rainbow-PUSH and his corporate shakedowns.

Somewhere along the way, people in the middle just got sick of the guy. He transitioned from credible candidate to another well-paid Geraldo Rivera of the airwaves.

Though he still commanded a pack of loyal supporters that held Jesse as a "sent from Jesus" salvation of America, and was still cast in the "Kingmaker" role.

Palin is following a similar arc. The number of people interested in her is up, she has a media empire rivalling Jesse's. Like Jesse in his post-serious years as a media talking head - can command several thousand yahoo supporters and hundreds of hecklers at each rally.

While at the same time the number of people that respect her and see her as a viable Presidential candidate dwindles a little further each month.

Palins rise and fall seems to be following Jesses footsteps. Except now, things are accelerated..She is getting richer faster than Jesse, but people are also getting sick of her faster than they tired of Jesse..everywhere..all the time.

bagoh20 said...

Slackers will almost always outnumber the providers who support them. It's obvious why - one of them has nothing better to do. Productive people understand that a few minutes spent at the voting booth is the efficient way to get politics done.

bagoh20 said...

And C4 joins the embarrassing bunch who will stretch anything they can think of in an attempt to come up with what they hope is a fresh criticism, but it's still just the same old attempt at saying: I'm not like her - I'm elite. It's not as flattering as you imagine it is.

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Paul said...

"Jesse Jackson, a Palin analogue"

Now there is the product of a fine analytical mind at work. LOL!!!!!

DADvocate said...

Lefties only take their kids to political rallies and teach them to be rude and disrespectful.

Come on, Shiloh, you twerp, look at the entire sentence. Remember the video of the parents and kids with the signs inside the WI capital rotunda? Oh, that happened before yesterday. Too long ago for you to remember.

We'll just ignore the great pleasure lefties get from shouting "fuck" and other stuff at 14 year old girls.

Shanna said...

. The rest of the atmosphere seemed so unpleasant and hostile (dangerous?) to the Tea Party attendees as to suck any possible joy right out of the event.

Yeah, I don’t spend a lot of time at Rally’s but I might have been persuaded to go (if it were local) just to check it out, except for how obnoxious the counter protestors sounded…I have low tolerance for idiots screaming in my ears.

Tax Day Tea Party Rally attendance was down all over the country fron last year, but you knew that.

If true, I suspect it is because of the victory in 2010. People had their rallies and then they had their vote. And people aren’t really geared up for the 2012 vote yet.

ALH said...

Yeah, we dont protest so much. We just vote.

Phil 3:14 said...

My take as an outsider, the vibe of the Tea Party doesn't quite fit what's going on in Wisconsin. I see Wisconsin as a newly elected majority simply acknowledging that we have a serious financial issue to address, waiting patiently as the loyal opposition has a temper tantrum and then passing legislation to fix the problem. No need for Capitol step speeches or banging drums or hand-written signs, just some legislative work to do.

To his credit I've yet to see Gov. Walker
unnerved
He's a quiet version of Chris Christie.

bagoh20 said...

"The useful idiots have been run hard and put away wet."

Exactly, and I see a seething anger building under their seething anger, but they just are not capable of seeing who their real enemy is.

It must be hard on them. I hate to lose, but at least when I do, I don't have to believe I've lost to Hitler, the devil, and a bunch of retards who stole the election. I just blame my liberal opponents' weakness, emotion, poor education and luck. I know I can overcome that eventually.

shiloh said...

He's a quiet version of Chris Christie.

Damned w/faint praise lol.

Saint Croix said...

By your reasoning we'd still have slavery in the south. Pesky judges. Getting in the way of equal rights.

Uh, you know the Supreme Court decided the slavery issue, right?

The wrong way.

And they really resolved that abortion controversy, too. Just classify human beings as objects outside our law. Why not! Worked before!

garage mahal said...

I see Wisconsin as a newly elected majority simply acknowledging that we have a serious financial issue to address, waiting patiently as the loyal opposition has a temper tantrum and then passing legislation to fix the problem.

Walker's budget increases spending by 600 million dollars. But he's a wacky right winger, so it's all good!

Chip Ahoy said...

Ah, Daily Kos. That would explain the stuck on stupid.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Henry said...

She is getting richer faster than Jesse, but people are also getting sick of her faster than they tired of Jesse..everywhere..all the time.

It's like you won't have Nixon to kick around any more (1962).

PaulV said...

The leftist hillbillies would not be obsessed with Palin if she did not have an impact. The more they whine, the more powerful she becomes.
Wv: rakingly
Sarah profits rakingly from the vitroil of the left wing loons.

John said...

Florida Steve,

It was not judges that did away with slavery, it was the 13th Amendment.

This was put in place by democratically (more or less) elected legislators.

Precisely the kind of thing that should be done with gay marriage if done at all.

Not by judges.

John Henry

PaulV said...

The leftist hillbillies would not be obsessed with Palin if she did not have an impact. The more they whine, the more powerful she becomes.
Wv: rakingly
Sarah profits rakingly from the vitroil of the left wing loons.

PaulV said...

The leftist hillbillies would not be obsessed with Palin if she did not have an impact. The more they whine, the more powerful she becomes.
Wv: rakingly
Sarah profits rakingly from the vitroil of the left wing loons.

shiloh said...

It's like you won't have Nixon to kick around any more (1962).

Nixon was a congressman and senator from CA and v-p under Eisenhower for (8) years, whereas ms grizzly quit her job as AK gov.

Your comparison is laughable!

btw, Nixon received 49.6% in 1960 and yet only 43.4% in 1968 ie he won by default.

Henry said...

Shiloh -- The point is not about experience. It's about electability.

There's little evidence the two have anything to do with each other.

bgates said...

There was a point in the 80s where Jesse Jackson, a Palin analogue, went from viable candidate to ubiquitous media droner

I think that was right about the time he started talking about "Hymietown".

Which makes you a Jesse Jackson analogue, don't it?

shiloh said...

There's little evidence the two have anything to do with each other.

Are you familiar w/palin's recent poll numbers?

take care

FloridaSteve said...

@Shouting.

Late back to this and the line may be stale now but... WTF are you talking about. Are you seriously saying that Gay marriage is not an equal rights issue?

Michael said...

Garage sees victory all around. Quite amazing how you can extrapolate success from such a tiny piece of fly shit in the giant bowl of pepper. The tea party has already won in Wisconsin, why would they come out in the freezing cold to confront a bunch of pissed off losers in stupid costumes when they have won already? Garage et al remind of the Japanese soldiers found years after the war, unwilling to surrender, ready to fight on in a war that was nearly forgotten.

DADvocate said...

Are you seriously saying that Gay marriage is not an equal rights issue?

A gay person has all the rights as anyone else. None of us can marry a person of the same sex in most places.

FloridaSteve said...

@shouting..

To your second retort... I was rushing and should not have used the word slavery. That WAS a war issue. But full and equal rights in the south were not established by referendum but by the courts. Again. Pesky Judges..

Chip S. said...

@shiloh,

Bill Clinton's popular vote percentages in each of his presidential races:

1992: 43% (<43.4%)
1996: 49.2% (<49.6%)

He's worse than Nixon!!!

Fernandinande said...

It's hilarious how They are so afraid of Palin.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)
But full and equal rights in the south were not established by referendum but by the courts. Again. Pesky Judges..


Uh No, but thank you for playing….Again you MAY have heard of something called the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act….they were passed by a thing called the US Congress. So no courts DID NOT establish civil rights, it was all three branches of government. You might want to take remedial US History along with the POTUS.

damikesc said...

Garage, Walker's budget also puts WI in its best financial situation in at least 15 yrs.

Rumpletweezer said...

How can anyone who supported/supports Obama criticize anyone for lack of experience? For you in Rio Linda, this is a rhetorical question.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)
For you in Rio Linda, this is a rhetorical question..


You miss the point of the “Rio Linda” tag…people from Rio Linda don’t understand “rhetorical questions”….

garage mahal said...

The tea party has already won in Wisconsin

The Koch Bros AFP threw this shindig w/ Palin. Take your annoyance up with them. Makes you wonder why they put the time and money up for something that has already been "won". Eh?

Chip S. said...

gm,

They're Winning the Future.

shiloh said...

He's worse than Nixon!!!

Chip S., your inane false equivalency deflections aside, Nixon was the only American president who resigned in disgrace, so no, he was not worse than Nixon lol.

Red herrings and non sequiturs are flying fast and furious in this thread, eh.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)
Chip S., your inane false equivalency deflections aside, Nixon was the only American president who resigned in disgrace, so no, he was not worse than Nixon lol.

Red herrings and non sequiturs are flying fast and furious in this thread, eh.


Poor baby you bring up Nixon and get some facts back in your face and now you try this…it is to laugh!

Henry said...

Shiloh wrote: Are you familiar w/palin's recent poll numbers?

You're thinking of the wrong neophyte.

As Joe just wrote, it is to laugh!

Phil 3:14 said...

He's a quiet version of Chris Christie.

Damned w/faint praise lol.


Well I guess its all in your perspective

Chip S. said...

Nixon was the only American president who resigned in disgrace, so no, he was not worse than Nixon lol.

Here, have some more troll food:

Unlike Nixon, Clinton was actually impeached.

shiloh said...

you bring up Nixon

Henry brought up Nixon @10:17.

As Quaestor would say ~ your lightness is showing.

Phil 3:14 said...

Garage;
For the life of me and I can't understand the lefts persistence in beating the "Koch" dead horse. I could say it just fits a preconceived notion but I want to give those on the left more credit.

I have to assume it rallies the base, generates good polling numbers for liberal policies or generates donations because it certainly isn't based "in reality".

And furthermore it just begs the comparison to Soros.

William said...

Teachers expecting a $10,000 loss of pay and benefits may reliably be expected to protest such a loss with vehemence and agitation. Taxpayers lobbying for a two to three hundred dollar cut in their taxes can reliably be expected to demonstrate less volubly for their cause.....When you think about it, this is not an argument for civil service unions, but against them. They have much more in the way of means, opportunity, and motive to unduly influence the government.....Conservatives look to Sarah Palin not to enunciate their ideals, but to live those ideals. She seems to be enjoying her life a great deal more than, say, Gloria Steinhem. Liberals can take comfort in the fact that Gloria is much more articulate and scored far higher on the SATa.

Jay said...

WTF are you talking about. Are you seriously saying that Gay marriage is not an equal rights issue?


Uh, it isn't an "equal rights issue" any more than shiloh marrying his goat is an "equal rights issue"

So yeah.

Cedarford said...

Paul said...
"Jesse Jackson, a Palin analogue"

Now there is the product of a fine analytical mind at work. LOL!!!!!

===============
The career arcs of the two demagogues always ready with a pithy soundbite but unqualified for high office are more similar than you care to admit.

The initial fervor.
The building of a cultlike following.
The "other sides" viceral hatred of Jesse and Sarah.
The quick exploitation of that adoration and "controversial dislike of so many" into millions in media revenue as the cult politican became an ubiquitous talking head for profit.
Followed by slow erosion in credibility even within the party they came from.
Followed by a "kingmaker" role where they are feted to get their rabid followers on board for other candidates.
Then Jesse got marginalized by Clinton and was largely irrelevant during Bush and was put in his political grave by Black Messiah.

"Cult of Goddess Sarah" people have yet to see the last acts of Jesse Jackson play out for "Our Sarah!", but Palin is on a shorter 24/7 media cycle than Jesse had.
She has gotten richer faster than Jesse, but will fade faster for that reason.

Goobers on the Left, Goobers on the Right are not so different. Jesse too stood against "The Man" and "elitism".

Huey Long, George Wallace - also two birds of the same feather.

Chip S. said...

Phil, It's projection.

Jay said...

But full and equal rights in the south were not established by referendum but by the courts. Again. Pesky Judges..


You know about as much about the law as "professor" (or was it "lecturer") Obama?

You may want to quit while you're behind.

Henry said...

I brought up Nixon and I stand by it. Nixon really did say "You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore" in 1962.

Shiloh, this is called an "allusion."

shiloh said...

Henry, you are truly clueless as my post was re: Chip S. inferring I was the first to deflect to Nixon.

Thanx for playin' ...

Jay said...

btw, Nixon received 49.6% in 1960 and yet only 43.4% in 1968 ie he won by default.


Well, if by "default" you mean winning 301 electoral votes and more than 30 states...

shiloh said...

301 electoral votes

Clinton got 370/379 electoral votes so what's your point ?!?

garage mahal said...

For the life of me and I can't understand the lefts persistence in beating the "Koch" dead horse.

They sponsored the rally. They weren't exactly making it a secret with all the green AFP banners everywhere.

Henry said...

I admit that I knew alluding to Nixon in a very limited sense -- as a seemingly unelectable politician who was later elected -- would be hard for the scattershot Shiloh to resist. And so it happened. Shiloh read an allusion as a comparison and spewed forth free associations.

Jay said...

shiloh said...
Clinton got 370/379 electoral votes so what's your point ?!?


Um, that Nixon didn't win by "default"

And you're an idiot.

Lincolntf said...

Speaking of banners, did the Lib skidbags manage to finally have a "swastika-free" counter-rally, or did I just miss the pic?

shiloh said...

Let the record show, Henry admits to being an idiot!

>

And Jay also admits to being an idiot!

Baby steps ...

Jay said...

Here, have some more troll food:

Unlike Nixon, Clinton was actually impeached.


Exactly.

I like watching this silly clown drone on & on about Nixon...

Michael said...

Garage: Dude, don't be a sore loser. It's not becoming. Be graceful in defeat. The evil Koch Brothers tilted the election last Fall to Walker? The evil Koch Brothers tilted the election for the judge? The evil Koch Brothers are occupying rent free space in your head, Garage.

Chip S. said...

Dear friend shiloh,

Henry's original allusion to Nixon was completely on point, serving to illustrate the main point about Palin's political prospects and thereby contributing to the discussion.

The main body of your remarks about Nixon were roughly on point, claiming that a comparison of Palin and Nixon overlooked some key aspects of their respective political qualifications or abilities. But your "btw" had nothing to do with the discussion, since it only addressed Nixon per se and the overall legitimacy of his election. It was, therefore, a deflection. The stats I posted were addressed at your deflection (which should normally be ignored) simply because the most reasonable explanation of your participation in these threads is that you are seeking enlightenment. Consider my comment a counter-deflection intended to help keep the discussion on-track.

BTW, your habit of meta-commentary on others' commentary would go over a lot better if you could summon a bit of wit.

Also, you may want to learn the difference between "infer" and "imply."

Yours in civility,

Chip S.

shiloh said...

Chip S., your sarcasm, childish baiting aside, it appears I have struck a deep nerve ...

take care

jerryofva said...

Garage:

Ah yes the Koch brother are this year's Emanual Goldstein to you lefties. In the Clinton years you guys designated Richard Mellon Scaife as Mr. Goldstein. I guess the only kind of rich Jew you like is someone like George Soros because he was happy to assist the Nazis as they sent his brother Jews to the gas chambers.

Sofa King said...

Chip S., your sarcasm, childish baiting aside, it appears I have struck a deep nerve ...


It doesn't appear that way to me. This is a comment board. The fact that someone comments on your comments is entirely unremarkable.

MadisonMan said...

Wow. There's really a whole lot of nothing said here. (I thought I'd add my two cents.)

The weather has made me grumpy.

Mark said...

It's not like the Left is actually trying to promote a civil Civil Society.

TMink said...

Perhaps the tea party folks were content that they kicked ass at the polls and left the useless chin wagging to the progressives. It is something that the left are good at and apparently quite fond of.

Trey

garage mahal said...

Garage: Dude, don't be a sore loser. It's not becoming. Be graceful in defeat.?

Ha. Why am I the sore loser simply pointing out the fact who the the party and who didn't show up? Not even with Palin headlining?

And no ideas why AFP the the party in the first place if they're the big winners?

Sigivald said...

When you lead with namecalling, you're telling me your position is weak in content.

"Caribou Barbie" tells me a lot more about the speaker than about Palin - who I can't recall ever using such sorts of rhetoric against her opposition.

(And I don't even think she's particularly good as a candidate or politician!

But, well, the more ire people like that aim at her without any basis beyond class signaling, the better she looks in comparison...)

Alex said...

Obama's poll #s are tanking so badly the MSM execs are gonna stop polling!

Go Mama Grizzly!

Lisa said...

I never understood how the left can use terms like "Caribou Barbie" and not realize the sexism inherent with that.

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)
Ha. Why am I the sore loser simply pointing out the fact who the party and who didn't show up? Not even with Palin headlining?


I’d say you’re a poor loser because you even defend what occurred at the counter-rally and have yet to say anything like, “OK, so far, you guyz have stomped my guyz, BUT…..” Poor/Sore Losers don’t/can’t acknowledge that their team has had a very bad First Half, even though it’s obvious to ALL.

You want to be less of a Sore/Poor Loser, then admit Walker won, Prosser won, and that UNLESS something amazing happens there isn’t go to be much movement of the “recall front.” From there, you can point out the rays of light for your side, otherwise you just come off as a carping sore loser.

Look dood/doodette I’ve been there; 1992, 1996, 2008…it ain’t fun, but you can TRY to be magnanimous, AND realize that Boooosh had “realigned” America in 2004, and Obama in 2008…according to some people. Nothing is final in politics, there’s always tomorrow. But to get from TODAY until then it helps to own up to the current reality…in your case so far, since November 2010 you’ve been losing. Once you accept and acknowledge that, you can move on to a better tomorrow.

rdkraus said...

And for world class liberal civility (note the comments), see

http://wonkette.com/443395/greatest-living-american-a-childrens-treasury-of-trig-palin-crap-on-his-birthday

Michael said...

Garage: Your side lost the election, they lost the union bit, they lost the judge, they lost period. Why would people turn out to hear Sara Palin, the world's stupidest woman, take a victory lap around your clownish locals who want a redo of every single fight they get in and lose? Remember, Sara said she could see Russia from the 57th state, the one our President has yet to visit.

Original Mike said...

"For the life of me and I can't understand the lefts persistence in beating the "Koch" dead horse."

We have always been at war with Eastasia

shiloh said...

entirely unremarkable

Indeed!

garage mahal said...

Why would people turn out to hear Sara Palin, the world's stupidest woman

Agreed. But union supporters didn't feel the need to throw a rally with Palin headlining.

So no ideas at all why the AFP did? Why bother?

vbspurs said...

AprilApple wrote:

btw- After deductions Obama paid 27% tax on his income. OH GOD man - pony up dude and pay the full amount for your $1.7 million income. What a hypocrite.

I couldn't believe that when I read it, either. He got a 12,000 rebate cheque back! ...I always thought you got IRS refunds only if you earned too little, and had overpaid FICA taxes, or similar.

I hadn't realised millionaires also get refunds...

vbspurs said...

You know what, as much as I care for Governor Palin, I was leaning towards hoping she wouldn't run in 2012. Something in me changed after her appearance in Madison. Maybe she won't win the nomination, maybe she's too toxic for one side of America, maybe she doesn't please the Republican establishment, but daggummit, let her run.

The Presidential debates are going to be 100x more interesting with her around, and even media who despise her, know she's money in the bank for them.

Besides, she's the most solid conservative in the bunch. So yeah.

LET HER RUN.

Cheers,
Victoria

Revenant said...

Is it that Palin and the Tea Party movement are on the wane? Or is it that the kind of people who voted for Scott Walker (and, more recently, Justice Prosser) no longer feel good/safe coming to the Wisconsin Capitol.

The most likely explanation, in my opinion, is that the Wisconsin tea party crowd feels like it has won -- Walker won, the budget fix passed, Prosser won. Wisconsin looks to be in pretty good shape at the moment. So I would expect the anger and frustration that motivates the movement to be at a low point, right now.

prairie wind said...

Oh, my! Where did the new civility go? Perhaps some commenters need to take a class in civility. A Nebraska legislator has put forward a bill that would require schools to teach civility.

I would not say he is a smart legislator.

kimsch said...

Kloppenberg has 3 hours and 45 minutes to decide if she wants a recount.

wv: vicatiol

Joe said...

(The Crypto Jew)
Is it that Palin and the Tea Party movement are on the wane? Or is it that the kind of people who voted for Scott Walker (and, more recently, Justice Prosser) no longer feel good/safe coming to the Wisconsin Capitol.

The most likely explanation, in my opinion, is that the Wisconsin tea party crowd feels like it has won --


I’d say you’re right. But everyone likes a better story…Beck’s ratings are down at Fox, or fewer people listen to Limbaugh now…..yeah because the game is a period break, their ratings, except for Beck’s Fox ratings, will pick back up as 2012 progresses. But many like the idea that the storm has passed because fewer people listen to Limbaugh/turned up to see Palin, because it says the Dawn is here, for their side.

Fen said...

Rev: The most likely explanation, in my opinion, is that the Wisconsin tea party crowd feels like it has won -- Walker won, the budget fix passed, Prosser won. Wisconsin looks to be in pretty good shape at the moment

Also, they have to get back to work so they can pay taxes to support these public sector parasites.

DADvocate said...

But union supporters didn't feel the need to throw a rally with Palin headlining.

No, just curse at 14 year old girls.

ic said...

the kind of people who voted for Scott Walker (and, more recently, Justice Prosser) are not paid protesters, they go back to their day jobs.

edutcher said...

Agree with Ferdinande. Miss Sarah in a debate with Little Zero would not be a pretty sight. the more the Lefties say, "Bring it on", the more they need to remember how unwise that is.

Miss Sarah impressed a lot of people not only with her speech, but merely by showing up in a hostile venue (Dan Riehl used the phrase, "she rides to the sound of the guns", indicating a willingness to take on big issies like ZeroCare and QE2), something Little Zero hasn't got the guts to do.

PS As to jobs, AK is one of the few states in the country where the office of Governor actually has some authority.

She actually had to make decisions. Unlike Little Zero who spent 15 years of his life in elective positions where he ran unopposed and voted "present".

The only thing he ever attempted on his own was organizing a community in Chi-town called Altgeld Gardens which resulted in its being declared unfit for human habitation.

edutcher said...

PPS Most of the candidate Miss Sarah supported in the last election won.

hombre said...

You know what, as much as I care for Governor Palin, I was leaning towards hoping she wouldn't run in 2012.

The goal of the anti-lefties should be to re-elect Tea Party Repubs to the House and to take over the Senate, preferably with Tea Party Repubs.

The Repub presidential candidate ought to be someone like Palin who, without regard to winning or losing, will take it to Oblahblah about his irresponsibility and his lying.

As of now, she and Herman Cain appear to be the only Repubs on the horizon with balls which is why the Repub establishment - guys without balls - will probably not permit their nomination.

cubanbob said...

shiloh said...
There's little evidence the two have anything to do with each other.

Are you familiar w/palin's recent poll numbers?

take care

4/20/11 10:34 AM

Have you seen Obama's recent numbers? And the trend line is getting worse. The wonderful thing about Obama is no democrat can ever with a straight face claim any republican is unqualified for president after Obama set the bar so low. A dried out and cleaned up street bum is better qualified than Obama so what ever you say about Palin the one thing she isn't is being less capable or qualified than Obama. You are better qualified than the Zero. Not that is saying much. The great thing about Obama is that this country will never have a less qualified or intelligent person occupying the White House. We have hit bottom. We can only rise from here.

As mentioned in the comments Nixon was not impeached, Clinton was. Nixon resigned in disgrace because of a sense of shame (there was no way he would have been impeached and removed) which is a lot more than can be said of either Clinton or Obama. Oh! I made a mistake, there is one person even dumber and less qualified than Obama: Joe Biden. No wonder Obama picked him for VP, as insurance.

James said...

Kloppenberg has 3 hours and 45 minutes to decide if she wants a recount.

She's scheduled to make an announcement at 4 p.m.

Can you image what its like to be Ann Walsh Bradley sitting in a judicial conference and seeing Prosser there?

Or Pat Lucy who resigned as co-chair of Prosser's campaign and endorsed Kloppenburg?

James said...

@TosaGuy...thanks for the background.

hombre said...

Chip S., your sarcasm, childish baiting aside, it appears I have struck a deep nerve ...

Did I mention I have a puppy named Shiloh? He is starved for attention too and also always seems to think it means more than it does when he gets it.

Lombardi Chick said...

Yeah, that Sarah Palin sure is stupid.

In 2010, Jackson Lee stated that, "...victory had been achieved" by the United States in Vietnam. She went on to state, "Today, we have two Vietnams; side-by-side, North and South, exchanging and working. We may not agree with all that North Vietnam is doing, but they are living in peace. I would look for a better human rights record for North Vietnam, but they are living side by side.

Hey, which Democrat thought:

1. Neil Armstrong planted the American flag on Mars?

2. FDR "got on tv" after the stock market crashed?

3. "Austrian" is a language?

4. Guam was in danger of capsizing if too many people were on one side of it?

You lefties have some nerve talking about ignorance and intelligence.

Synova said...

"I never understood how the left can use terms like "Caribou Barbie" and not realize the sexism inherent with that."

I always get a chuckle out of it. It's meant to be sexist, so of course they realize it. They are sexist on purpose.

That's okay, though, because sexism is only bad when conservatives do it. Liberals have cause.

Ahem. Anyhow.

I think that "Caribou Barbie" is funny and actually rather flattering. But then I don't hate on Barbie. Palin seems to think it's funny, too, which I base on her participating in a "Caribou Barbie" joke on SNL.

Oh... I've got a Barbie joke. It goes like this... "Women's Studies is where Math-is-hard Barbie goes to complain about the under representation of women in the hard sciences."

HA HA HA

;-)

But Sarah likes caribou. That's why she authorized the killing of a grand total of 14 wolf individuals to save a caribou herd so it went from 0% calves making it to a year old to something like 20%.

mm said...

And (3) of palin's TP'ers: O'Donnell, Buck, Angle went down in flames in an otherwise wave mid-term election for Reps.

O'Donnell had O'Donnell (and media smear machine) to blame, not Palin. Buck was quite possibly done in by thousands of illegal 'votes'. Angle was headed straight toward victory lane until Harry's 'people' marshalled the union vote in 'Vegas' at the 11th hour.

Jay said...

shiloh said...
Are you familiar w/palin's recent poll numbers?



Did you mean like this?

Even among Democrats, Obama isn’t a slam-dunk. He gets 70% of that 35% to commit to his re-election bid, but 12% “definitely” plan to vote against him. Obama-cons are in short supply as well, as only 3% of Republicans in the survey will vote for the incumbent. Nearly a majority of independents have made up their mind to oppose Obama, 47%, with only 32% planning on casting a vote for him and 21% undecided.


Palin isn't holding elective office, bozo.

Shanna said...

Chip S., your inane false equivalency deflections aside, Nixon was the only American president who resigned in disgrace, so no, he was not worse than Nixon lol.

To resign in disgrace, one has to be capable of shame.

Revenant said...

But union supporters didn't feel the need to throw a rally with Palin headlining.

Why would union supporters want Sarah Palin headlining their rally?!?!?!?

hombre said...

To resign in disgrace, one has to be capable of shame.

Hear, hear!

wildswan said...

That loud, foul mob was the citizens of Wisconsin as formed by the teachers of Wisconsin.

And the teachers should be ashamed to ask for a pay raise for "educating" a group like that.

Revenant said...

Nixon didn't resign because he was "capable of shame". He resigned because he was informed by his party leadership that he would be impeached, convicted, removed from office and criminally prosecuted if he did not.

And since he was, in fact, guilty of all sorts of criminal activity, he resigned.

Enough with the historical revisionism. Why the hell Republicans want to defend a guy who was even more of a socialist than Barack Obama is a mystery to me.