That's long, so let's jump to the place where the word "dirtbag" is thrown into the mix:
Michelle Cottle: And honestly, is it even fair to compare Platner to somebody like Paxton or Trump?
Jamelle Bouie: You know, I don’t think it’s fair. And I say that because, so far, what we’ve learned about Platner is that, for lack of a better term, he’s kind of a dirtbag. Just a dirtbaggy kind of guy.... That’s versus Trump, who isn’t just a reprehensible person, but is actively engaged in harming other people in his private life, right? And I’d say the same for Paxton: not just a slimy guy, but a guy whose modus operandi, as a human being, is to try to dominate the people around him in really ugly ways. And so, I think Platner is more on the John Fetterman continuum than he is on the Trump continuum, which is just, eh, kind of dirtbaggy.
Cottle: OK, so I want to drill down just a little bit more....
The drilling down does not explore the concept of dirtbagism. Cottle was swooping in to take the conversation away from that, even though the headline writer saw the click-bait value of the word. In the conversation, "dirtbag" never reappears.
I asked Grok "how the word 'dirtbag' is being deployed what kind of people use that term and why" and got quickly tracked into the subject of the "dirtbag left." There's this New Yorker article from last October: "What Explains Graham Platner’s Popularity? The U.S. Senate candidate from Maine seems like the embodiment of the dirtbag left. But there’s another way to understand his appeal." Excerpt:
The dirtbag left, as it became known, mostly revolved, at its start, around the podcast “Chapo Trap House,” the Democratic Socialists of America, and a few scattered high-follower social-media accounts. Its adherents were largely disaffected Bernie Sanders supporters who believed that the populist movement behind their candidate had been upended and diverted by a cabal of soulless careerists in both politics and, perhaps more pointedly, in the political media. Among the targets of the dirtbag left were Neera Tanden, a Hillary Clinton operative; Clara Jeffery, the editor-in-chief of Mother Jones; and various reporters and editors at the Times, the Washington Post, and so on. The accusation was simple and alluring: by torpedoing the Sanders campaign and running an unelectable cipher in Clinton, these blinkered establishmentarians were responsible for Donald Trump’s victory. The dirtbag left’s job was to never let them forget it.I’ve been thinking about that era in online politics while observing the campaign of Graham Platner, the Democratic Senate hopeful from Maine. In some ways, he looks like an updated version of the ideal dirtbag-left candidate. Here is a working-class veteran who has talked about America’s “new Gilded Age,” called out the “billionaire economy,” and explicitly avoided the sort of “neoliberal” identity talk that seems to exist primarily to mediate disputes between well-off, highly educated people. Lately, Platner has fallen under intense scrutiny for a trove of old Reddit posts that included homophobic comments and a Nazi tattoo that he has since covered up. (He has said that he was not aware until recently of the tattoo’s Nazi associations.) This was surprising, although, for some skeptics, it might have fallen right in line with the image of the dirtbag left, who were often criticized as misogynistic and narrowly focussed on the feelings of white men....

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Cottle fails the voight ksmpf test for sanity
If you cant recognize thats hes personally a psycho and professionally an ignoramus
Because it's (D)ifferent when our (D)irtbags are (D)oing it.
Really, it's just class difference. Platner is middle class, but went into a very lower-class part of the military. His social norms and behavior is pretty mild for an enlisted combat soldier. What people mean by all this huffing is that Platner is sort of half-white-trash, half-middle-class-failson. That means credibility with a type of white person the Democratic Party is deeply uncomfortable with, despite their rhetoric on the working classes.
"Dirtbagism" the opposite of John and Yoko's "Bagism - the
satirical conceptual performance art created by John Lennon and Yoko Ono in the late 1960s to promote peace and combat social prejudice. The practice involves wearing a bag over the entire body so people cannot be judged by their outward appearance.
Is Jamelle Bouie really comparing Platner to John Fetterman? Does she really think they are on the same dirtbag continuum? She hasn't been paying attention at all! John Fetterman has been very critical of Platner. He is just the opposite of Platner. Maybe she considers the way he dresses to be dirtbaggy, but I think he is a really good honest guy. And I live in PA. He is my senator.
Is Sherrod Brown a dirtbag.
LOL the cope is real.
Democrats are just stupid people who managed to get born with some money given to them sometimes.
Cottle and Bouie, ugh. "He may be a dirtbag but he is our dirtbag. "
If you could erase all the attacks on Trump over the last 10 years, would an entire decade just disappear from history, and we'd all be younger?
Trump and Paxton are slimebags.
What kind of bag is George Santos?
A dirtbag can be useful in holding a door open.
Funny... for a person who is currently and actively engaged in hurting people, Trump seems to have a remarkably functional (if very blended) family. Even his ex-wives don't generally have bad things to say about him.
Maybe this is nothing more than my own experience, but just as charity begins in the home, I've observed that being a douche begins in the home too - people who are "actively engaged" in hurting people start with their families. Yes, even in the Mafia, I'd say, because the threat to the wife and kids is always there, just below the surface.
[shrug] On the other hand, I've watched my husband, an exemplary husband and father, in business negotiations, and he says and does things that I could never say or do - the directness is way more than I could manage. And he's mild compared with other men I've watched. And yet he remains friends with lots of the people from whom he's been across the table. A guy thing, I think.
And I think Trump takes it to a very... high? extreme? level: he can and will enter a negotiation with anyone. He can and will say awful things about his interlocutors. And then all is forgiven if the deal gets done. I don't consider that to be "hurting people."
But maybe she's talking about "people" as a philoso-econo-social construct: the poor downtrodden pipples, as George Hamilton's Zorro said. The underclass, as Marx said. No individual person was harmed in the making of this statement.
I too live in PA, and I still like Fetterman.
Kat Timpf sometimes plays the part of "Dirtbag Debbie" on Gutfeld! Haven't seen it lately, but it's a good portrayal of the stupidity and malice to be found among many young lefties.
So the NYTs and MSM continue the attack and the name calling. Planter must be doing something right when Fox News and MSNBC/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC all hate him.
"The accusation was simple and alluring: by torpedoing the Sanders campaign and running an unelectable cipher in Clinton, these blinkered establishmentarians were responsible for Donald Trump’s victory. The dirtbag left’s job was to never let them forget it."
What delusion. If the Clinton campaign underestimated Hillary's lack of appeal, Bernie's lack of appeal to the voting public is epic by comparison. "Eat the Rich" appeals to the extremists, but not to most of the voting public, and Bernie's a dumpy old guy who relies on tired cliches to make the case for his ruinous policies.
Obviously, "dirtbag" has acquired a specific meaning that is used by lefties trying to build the working class side of the Democratic party, but here are the 2 definitions of "dirtbag" in Urban Dictionary. The idea here has nothing to do with politics but with a lifestyle that maximizes dedicating yourself to an avocation:
1. "A person who is committed to a given (usually extreme) lifestyle to the point of abandoning employment and other societal norms in order to pursue said lifestyle. Dirtbags can be distinguished from hippies by the fact that dirtbags have a specific reason for their living communaly and generally non-hygenically; dirtbags are seeking to spend all of their moments pursuing their lifestyle."
2. "n: Piss-poor, unemployed rock climber who lives off scrounged food and sleeps, obviously, in the dirt. The pinnacle of climbing committment and idol of employed climbers."
The apples vs apples comparison is to Hegseth. There are similar patterns of behavior, but there are not similar reactions to those patterns of behavior.......I would recommend to any young man who wishes to get a lot of tattoos or cheat on his wife that he become a Democrat. In the intersectionality of things, such behavior is part of the hero's journey in a Democrat, but evidence of severe, disabling character defects in a Republican.
Again, lets derail from the actual issues, and Planter's differences on policy with Collins. Instead, lets discuss what a "dirtbag" he is on a personal level. I assume "dirtbag" is just a cleanedup version of "Shitbag".
BTW, I love the criteria these two far-left journalists use to separate who is horrible and who is really, really, horrible. Anyone whos MAGA is really, really bad. But a Democrat he's just somewhat bad.
Can the NY op-ed page get more childish?
jim said...
"I too live in PA, and I still like Fetterman."
Same here, though he's mostly on board with Democratic Party policies. But because he fails to vote in lockstep every single time, he's being unpersoned by the radicals.
Oh, wait, there are a bunch more definitions at Urban Dictionary — https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirtbag
You can go read the lesser definitions there if you want.
Graham Platner has a bright future in politics. If he becomes a Republican. He has the right Republican presidential qualifications.
The most stark apples to apples comparison of recent times is the "I can't breath" death of Henry Nowak versus that of George Floyd.
The MSM reporters have supported and praised the Clintons and Ted "i'll leave a woman to die" Kennedy. They are "bored" with Epstein and all his crimes. They have zero right to call anyone a "dirtbag".
The definitions of "dirtbag" you quote from the Urban Dictionary don't fit with the use of the word as I remember it from my youth 30-40 years ago. Back then it meant someone who had no morals.
"Again, lets derail from the actual issues, and Planter's differences on policy with Collins...."
I chose to start a discussion about the term "dirtbag" and this is my blog. I establish the rail. This blog is here to be a different rail. If you want to stick with the issues, you should read the NYT conversation. Michelle Cottle, as I noted, worked to keep the discussion on that track and not to let Jamelle Bouie make it about the word. Bouie introduced the word to distinguish Platner from Trump and Paxton.
According to Merriam Webster, a dirtbag is " a dirty, unkempt, or contemptible person." I remember being used as a contemptible person.
You notice none of his army comrades have vouched for ostee nazi
He hates jews and he hates cops (a poser)
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
Graham Platner has a bright future in politics. If he becomes a Republican. He has the right Republican presidential qualifications.
Remember this retard has voted for 2 known rapists and Barrack Obama.
"The definitions of "dirtbag" you quote from the Urban Dictionary don't fit with the use of the word as I remember it from my youth 30-40 years ago. Back then it meant someone who had no morals."
I didn't mention it above, but I also looked at the OED, where the definition begins with the literal meaning of "A bag filled or designed to be filled with dirt or refuse," and then the figurative use, which is the one you remember: "a dirty, unkempt, or contemptible person."
You can see the history of meaning in the OED's 4 quotes:
1897
Hundreds of section hands are striving to keep the water back with dirt bags.
Davenport (Iowa) Daily Republican 20 March 1/7Citation details for Davenport (Iowa) Daily Republican
1934
Hoover Specials are..equipped with new cords, belts, furniture guards and dirt bags.
Sheboygan (Wisconsin) Press 21 April 4/7 (advertisement) Citation details for Sheboygan (Wisconsin) Press
1977
I looked like such a dirt bag and everyone else was all dressed up.
B. Davidson, Collura iv. 41Citation details for B. Davidson, Collura
1992
If he's such a dirtbag, Betty's bound to find out on her own before long.
More 28 October 98/1Citation details for More
Interesting to see that the bag in the vacuum cleaner, which we call the vacuum cleaner bag, was once called the "dirt bag."
I hope Betty found out.
Kamala Harris smiled like a donut for powerful Democrat men to get her start in politics.
Does that make her a dirtbag or something else?
Were the men Kamala Harris serviced dirtbags?
Two stands against pervert criminals and terrorist three with fetterman
But it tells you the marked deck the Times plays with
William said...The apples vs apples comparison is to Hegseth.
It would be if Hegseth were running for elective office. But he’s not. Which makes it a completely bullshit comparison.
Trumps “actively hurting people”. Seems to be related to the ending of the corrupt USAID programs feeding democrats. Thats inexcusable. Listening to these ridiculous people makes my head hurt.
Name it, name the “actively hurting people” that he is doing . They never can. They are just democrat propagandists. That’s why they lump Fetterman in, they really want him out now.
Dirtbag used to be a pejorative for a biker, as I recall it from the 70s, with the attendent joke about Harleys and Hoovers (the dirtbag sits on top). Then I think Hill Street Blues had a character that would call the street criminals he picked up, 'dirtbag' - the guy that was always going undercover as a bum.
I've never heard it applied to rock climbing lifestyles.
They want Fetterman out because he doesn’t hate the joooooooosssss.
'Making some peoples wallets light' like they said of harvey dent
Maybe those men took pity on the dumb lawyer chick who took multiple tries to get past the bar exam and was too dumb to get a real job so they got her a job as AG where she could exercise her only real talents.
Maybe they weren’t dirtbags and they were trying to maximize human capital. Kamala was good for something after all.
https://themainemonitor.org/graham-platner-success-explained/
I didn't get all the way through it. What you're watching in real time is the rise of a nutjob. Someone you don't want anywhere near the power he craves. But, but- he's an oyster farmer! Yeah, so? Apparently sells only to his mother, though.
His history with women indicates danger. I wouldn't vote for anyone with that history- a history Donald Trump does not have, the lies of E. Jean Carroll notwithstanding. Similar to teh lies told by Justice Kavanaugh's accuser. And let's not forget Justice Thomas in that category of Democrat women lying liars working hard to derail a career.
I'm waiting for his actual comrades-in-arms to speak out. So far, they've been remarkably silent.
And Tarron, there's no such thing- in the military- as a low class part of the military. We all do the jobs we're assigned to do. Some require higher ASVAB scores then others, but all the skills are needed. Cook, yeoman, medic, machine gunner, truck driver, every one of then is part of the machine to make war.
“ His social norms and behavior is pretty mild for an enlisted combat soldier.”
Hmmm. I was a combat infantry soldier in Iraq and I didn’t do any of the things that Platner did, nor did members of my unit.
Is Kamala Harris a dirtbag or something else?
I go with 'jizzbucket.'
Its the Althouse Railroad. The Dirtbag express leaving on Track 9. I find it interesting the Headline writer used "dirtbag" - seems low class.
Yeah, i didn't think about vaccum cleaners and the "dirtbag". Makes sense.
This article combine with our experiments yesterday in Ai short stories gave me an idea for a retirement strategy. I'm going to become an online content creator.
I already have a substack, I think. All I need to do is start posting Ai short stories.
John Henry
Someone on Reddit was calling Planter a "dirtbag" eight months ago. Wonder if an email has gone out to all the "Journolists".
Oh, its Platner not Planter. My bad. Hopefully, we can just call him "Senator" after November.
I will keep this short.
Michell Cottle and Jamelle Bouie aren't worth the sweat off my balls.
No thank you.
He has no appeal except to psychopaths
We see the peanut gallery
Given their modest electoral success in times recent the Dems must have had a meeting. "OK, our last two sort of successful Presidents were a philanderer and a guy who favored Iran over Israel. But let's think outside the box here. The most recent successful Republican President is an obnoxious jerk. Can we find somebody in Maine that combines these qualities???"
Soon to be fired intern: "Uh, should we look at the issues Maine likes? And maybe look at the guy's social media accounts?"
(angry glares at the only guy in the room with common sense and non fluorescent hair color.....)
I can't shake the feeling that it's all part of the Democrat quest for "authenticity." Because they're engaged in telling polite* lies all the time, even to themselves, they don't have an internal sense of what it actually is, feels like, and looks like. So they form a consultancy and look for candidates who are as crude and gross as possible. After all, isn't that THE salient feature of Trump? And it worked for him...
* Not always "polite." But always shibboleths, which, we will recall, were just words with no necessary meaning, designed to prove that you're in the group. How readily does the term "people experiencing homelessness" roll off your tongue? Have you set your phone's dictionary to capitalize "Black" by default? Can you recite, in order, all the letters relevant to Pride Month** (or, as I call it to my husband, "the month when we celebrate how some people like to have sex")?
** So, it turns out that you have to memorize a different order here in Canada, darn it! It starts with "2S" here, before moving on to the usual L(ladies first, after all) etc. So, apparently First Nations people who would like to have sex in certain hard-to-define ways are higher on the intersectional ladder than non-First Nations people of any other ethnic stripe, or presumably than First Nations people who like heteronormative sex or boring homosexual sex.
All the -bag epithets are derived from scumbag, which meant used condom.
Imagine the mess if there were no dirtbags. They serve to make everything else look cleaner.
Its interesting that this NYTs conversation is on video. So you don't need to have a NYT's suscription. So, i went and skimmed throught it, and the whole conversation is substance free - when it comes to policy. Its just 3 libtard MSM reporters worrying about Platner and whether the D's can beat Trump and the Republicans.
Here's a key quote:
" Because it’s not just that he has a number of scandals. The nature of them and the way that he’s responded to them raises the possibility that this is just not. Let’s just be that he’s not the kind of person you would want in the United States Senate, to put it mildly. So, here you have a guy who’s had an S.S. tattoo. So it’s not just Nazi. It’s super Nazi, involving a unit that one of its jobs was guarding concentration camps. This is the insignia of the unit. And he has it that he didn’t know. Know the guy’s a history buff."
Anyone who calls his Tattoo a "Nazi tattoo" and babbles about Concentration Camps is a moron. Litterally. And the whole point is dishonest. He's a former Marine and War hero. But anything to destroy him as a candidate.
What's really sad is that x percent of the public are stupid. They pick up on what the MSM says "This is a bad man" then disregard all the issues and vote accordingly.
The NYTs and the MSM is using a smear technique. They use it constantly, and it usually works. They've never gotten over the fact that it failed to work on Trump.
Sorry to post so much, last comment. This reminds of Glenn Beck (yes, he's not dead), saying that Candance Owens going to Russia was suspicious, and her talking to Dugin was "anti-American". This inability to actually discuss real issues and the use of smears is so widespread in our media its amazing anyone votes on the only thing that matters - policy.
I've been thinking about why politicians are often such low-life and worthless people. It seems like a job that would have a filter between dirtbags and public office. I'm thinking now that the real filter is that quality people are already busy doing valuable things, and they just don't have time or inclination for the mostly useless, posing and fruitless work of politics. Dirtbags are looking for exactly that.
The character of candidates is important to me. I'm balancing their policy preferences with the likelihood that they are corruptible, bribable, or vulnerable to blackmail. Those things can make their policy leaning irrelevant in practice.
Dirtbag vs Reprehensible
D good, R bad.
Democrats have been searching for the "secret sauce" that might help them woo centrist Republicans more effectively. I think we all sort of knew what that might be, and I'm glad that for the most part Democrats have chosen not to go that route.
Isn't "dirtbag" the "dirtbag left" taking it back from Hillary's people that used the term originally? That's why it's all nebulously defined because it's really not a useful or even accurate description. It's like "deplorables". Probably the only useful description is that the dirtbag left are "ends justify the means" types in the narrowest sense that Hillary and her campaign didn't fight back in 2016. Which is accurate, since the Dems treated it like a coronation.
"...He's a former Marine and War hero...."
Please elaborate. I knew he was a Marine. War Hero? Let's hear about it.
You’re being lied to about Graham Platner.
https://jacobin.com/2025/10/platner-maine-senate-reddit-media
A full archive of posts under Mr. Platner’s Reddit username, P-Hustle, numbers more than 1,800 comments from July 2009 to November 2021. His story is a lot more complicated than the public is being told.
But read in their totality, Platner posts paint a different picture of the candidate: someone who, far from a secret fascist, was openly and passionately opposed to fascism; who held a variety of typical progressive views even as he expressed himself in ways many liberals would regard as crass and offensive; who sympathizes with rural Americans despite being vehemently opposed to many of the candidates they vote for; and who was disillusioned with and radicalized against the system by US wars.
Platner, in other words, comes off as a flawed, complicated, and sometimes contradictory human being whose political views don’t always fit neatly into a box. In that, he resembles millions of Americans — including some of the exact voter demographics that American liberals say they want to win back, yet seemingly can’t help but vilify.
Ann: Listen to “Teenage Dirtbag” (by Weezer?), and its use in Generation Kill”.
RCOCEAN II said...
He's a former Marine and War hero.
The following are his awards:
Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal
Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal (2nd Award)
Combat Action Ribbon (Iraq)
Sea Service Deployment Ribbon (3rd Award)
Iraq Campaign Medal
Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal (Iraq)
Global War on Terrorism Service Medal
National Defense Service Medal
Navy Unit Commendation
The only individual awards among them are the two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals. Well, also the Good Conduct Medal- 3 years without disciplinary action. Which can be awarded for all kinds of things- but I've never seen one awarded for any kind of heroic action. These awards do not a war hero make. They're typical for someone who served without getting into too much trouble.
He switched from Marines to Army. Switching service branches is not a normal move. I've known a few, and heard of others in 21 years on active duty. There's almost always a story behind the switch. 9 times out of 10, not a good one. Except for going from any other branch into the Marines. There's usually some sort of individual drive and motivation to do that.
"Is Jamelle Bouie really comparing Platner to John Fetterman? Does she really think they are on the same dirtbag continuum?"
I made the same mistake, assuming that that Michelle Cottle is the dumb white cow and Jamelle Bouie is the dumb black cow. But judging by the pictures, Jamelle Bouie is technically male. Kind of like Obama.
Political Junkie said...
I will keep this short.
Michell Cottle and Jamelle Bouie aren't worth the sweat off my balls.
No thank you.
Oh they have value. They are perfect democrat women.
They are mean and stupid and if you are a powerful man in the democrat machine they would help you clean up your balls.
They get paid 6 figures to do a worthless job nobody needs to close the wage gap during the day and service powerful democrat leaders at night.
But he's OUR dirtbag, don't you see?
"He has said that he was not aware until recently of the tattoo’s Nazi associations."
Dirtbag is just a typical Democrat cover story. Planter is also a cowardly liar.
Skull and bones symbols have a long history, extending at least into the early Christian era, when they were used on headstones as a visual reference to the biblical story of Ezekiel's vision of a valley filled with scattered, dried-up human bones and the hope of resurrection. There's its use as the symbol of poisonous contents for people who can't read, adopted by pirates for their Jolly Roger flag, more fiction than fact, it turns out. In the 18th century, Freemasonry adopted a death's head symbol for reasons they chose to keep secret. And then there's Skull and Bones at Yale, which was nothing but an on-campus masonic lodge. NYT ginned up an entirely mendacious "scandal" about Skull and Bones to undermine the presidency of George Bush I.
The military use of death's head symbols goes back to the English Civil War, if not long before in medieval heraldry. One Royalist heavy cavalry unit fought under a death's head banner with the motto Or Glory embroidered under the image, communicating the clear meaning, death or glory. This same unit survived to become the 17th Lancers, who wore this death's head badge on their shakos.
Death's head symbols also have a long history in German military tradition, starting with the hussar regiment raised by the Duke of Brunswick in reply to the French Revolutionary unit known as Les Hussards de la Mort, who invented the whole black uniform with skulls motif made infamous 150 years later by Hitler's bodyguards. The tradition begun during the Napoleonic era was carried on by the Kingdom of Prussia and inherited by the German Empire in many of its elite cavalry regiments, including one commanded by an imperial princess. After WWI and the fall of the Hohenzollerns, the tradition passed to the Weimar Republic, whose reborn panzer troops wore Totenkopfs on their uniforms while secretly training with tanks in Soviet Russia. These symbols were directly copied from those used by imperial German cavalry regiments to imply that tank crewmen were the successors of horse cavalry. Here we have examples of those Panzertruppen badges. (Ignore the NSDAP membership pin, they don't belong together.) When Heinrich Himmler took command of Hitler's bodyguard, he wanted new and intimidating symbolism adopted. He disliked the Army's Totenkopf symbols for being too cartoonish. His SS death's head was to be more anatomically correct and therefore more terrifying.
"I hope Betty found out."
That made me smile. Thank you.
I got a similar smattering of “medals” for my deployments. My list might be slightly longer.
Almost all of them are participation medals. Our officers were too busy doing real things rather than personalize the medals everyone got. I assume marine corps was the same.
Sounds like he at least wasn’t a fobbit like desantis.
Was it James Carville on one of his few sane days who suggested that if it weren't for biased media coverage, the Republicans would be the majority party? This is a prime example of the phenomenon.
Also, do we really know that Platner is popular? Maybe he is popular with the party activists who think they need to cater to some imagined "dirtbag" demographic in an unmoored quest for power, but I am not sure there is much solid evidence to support that he is broadly popular with Maine voters.
"Ann: Listen to “Teenage Dirtbag” (by Weezer?), and its use in Generation Kill”."
It does sound like Weezer, but it's Wheatus.
Man, I feel like mold, it's prom night and I am lonely
Lo and behold, she's walkin' over to me
This must be fake, my lip starts to shake
How does she know who I am? And why does she give a damn about me?
Key to this "dirtbag" meaning: the band Iron Maiden is mentioned repeatedly.
RCOCEAN II said...Anyone who calls his Tattoo a "Nazi tattoo" and babbles about Concentration Camps is a moron. Litterally.
Sure…🤦♂️
Out: Springtime for Hitler
in: Springtime for Platner
I think this political use of "dirtbag" is something like Hillary's old "deplorables," maybe with more of a sense of out and proud deplorables.
And I think it only seems to refer to white men. I suspect that it is filling the place once held by "white trash."
It smells like "What's the Matter with Kansas?" These low-class people belong on the left. How to redirect them? Put up candidates like Platner.
What’s up bitches?
Platner is on “the John Fetterman continuum….” Holy shit! Fetterman is the only widely visible Democrat elected official who is not obviously committed to dirtbaggery. And what Platner “reveals” is that Democrats are partial to dirtbags, especially if they hate Jews. The leftmediaswine have scotoma when it comes to Democrat evil - or maybe not.
In the low-class neighborhoods where I lived growing up, a dirtbag was understood to be someone you didn't trust. A liar, cheat; someone who would do anything, say anything for personal gain. A thief, swindler and all around no good person that you wouldn't associate with.
Then came the day that you let someone down, and magically YOU become a dirtbag.
Dirtbaggery, now there's a great neologism! This is why I love to lurk here at Althouse. I'm improving my vocabulary.
Oh, to stay on topic, based on the accusations leveled at Platner, I'd say that smells like dirtbaggery to me.
Gospace and Achilles: the Navy/USMC Combat Action Ribbon is an individual award, sort of equivalent to the Army's CIB/CAB/CFMB's. The recipient must take part in a ground or surface engagement with an enemy. It's not quite as strict as the Army awards - you can get it for being on a ship that's in a fight - but is still pretty insistent that you were in actual pound-me-in-the-ass combat.
Moreso than the original CIB, which just required infantry MOS/infantry unit/combat zone/30 days, whether or not you ever fired or got fired upon, reflecting the utter misery of infantry life in the field.
So assuming the USMC followed its own rules, Platner's CAR is pretty good evidence that he has indeed seen the elephant.
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They're trying to swipe a mild insult ("dirtbag") for the toxic one ("Nazi").
They very much want to change the subject from his SS tattoo, because many voters suspect that the Democrats hate the Jewish state more than any other country. They're obsessed with the Jewish state.
The same people who want to murder CEOs in the street are backing Platner in Maine and Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan. These Democrats range from soft on Hamas to supporters of Hamas. They hate the state of Israel, and they don't like Jews, and they fantasize about violent solutions.
FYI.
"Graham Platner was recruited to run for office by a young, wealthy couple who are members of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) ..."
Former Army E-5 at HHB 3rd Armored Division Artillery here. I received a National Defense Ribbon, which I believe everyone got, and an Army Commendation Medal for driving a bunch of officers around without getting into an accident on the Autobahn. Although once I did take an offramp too fast and caused the major I was driving to white-knuckle the dashboard. Later he told me that he wanted to punch me in the face as soon as we arrived at Grafenweohr.
Definitely non-heroic.
Heartless Aztec said...
"Dirtbagism" the opposite of John and Yoko's "Bagism - the
satirical conceptual performance art created by John Lennon and Yoko Ono in the late 1960s to promote peace and combat social prejudice. The practice involves wearing a bag over the entire body so people cannot be judged by their outward appearance.
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I remember first hearing "bagism" in Give Cheech His Pants, that anti-war song I used to hear on WLS by the Plastic Ono Band. It was interesting for the first listen or two. The Rate-a-Record judges on American Banstand said it has a bad beat and you can't dance to it.
Everybody's talking about
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m.
Ann tours Bedlam.
I think we all sort of knew what that might be
Do tell! I'm on the edge of my seat. (It's funny to me, personally, that my comment was about how the left doesn't know what authenticity even feels like in their own psyches and must therefore try to suss out what kinds of actions seem to prompt normies to believe that someone is authentic, and get it wrong all the time, and then ol' Indefinitely comes up with more mind-reading of the normies.)
Also: oops. As a female Jamie who grew up in an era where I was frequently assumed to be male until meeting face to face, I should've actually checked on Jamalle or whoever this person is. Sorry, (presumed, no offense intended) dude.
@Jupiter: "..."Graham Platner was recruited to run for office by a young, wealthy couple who are members of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) ..." ..."Graham Platner was recruited to run for office by a young, wealthy couple who are members of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) ..." "
Yeah, but... how come they get to keep their anonymity? Sounds like a relevant disclosure, no? "...That under-the-radar team are a couple, Yale Law School grad Daniel Moraff and his fiancée, Leanne Fan, an academic with stints at Harvard and the proudly radical University of California-Berkeley.
The pair had originally met while working for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in 2020 and are hardcore members of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)....In summer 2025, Moraff and Fan were in Maine scouting for a new candidate.....".
Sounds like these are the new Reds.
Either character counts or it doesn’t.
If you are a Trump supporter then you have concluded that the character of our political leadership does not matter. So when it comes to the character of Platner Swallwell or Pelosi or Clinton or Biden you can just STFU. You have no standing to be in this argument.
Likewise, if you are a Democrat and you are excuse the character issues of the Platners, the Kennedys, the Pelosi, the Bidens, etc. you can just STFUwhen it comes to Trump.
Adams was right. The Republic will not stand if it is led by bad people.
Platner is a sociopath who should not be ij any responsible job
People who like to think of themselves as enlightened are filled with hate for Trump, an unenlightened emotion. In order to rationalize their hatred they ascribe all sorts of horrible traits and deeds to him, even if they have to make them up.
Like the peanut gallery here
"If you are a Trump supporter then you have concluded that the character of our political leadership does not matter."
Well, actually, AMDG, I am a Trump supporter. And yet, I have not concluded that the character of our political leadership does not matter. So, you are mistaken. Try again, and this time maybe show your work, and I'll try to identify where you went wrong.
Yes AMDG, Adams was right. Unfortunately, we live in a time when we have to choose the lesser of two evils rather than the best of two angels.
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I am a Trump voter. I'd vote for him against Platner based on that.
AMDG said...
Either character counts or it doesn’t.
If you are a Trump supporter then you have concluded that the character of our political leadership does not matter.
LOL!
A douchebag loser is jealous that Trump is smarter, braver, and just a better person than he is in every way.
Nobody cares how good you think your farts smell. You are a loser who wants democrats to win and you are willing to let the country burn so you can look down your nose at other people.
Nobody cares about cowards like you. You no longer have a party. You can go cry in the corner and wank off to your bulwark kiddy porn with Kristol and Bolton.
Dems don't care:
https://x.com/RebeccaKKatz/status/2063287597221204470
AMDG said...
Adams was right. The Republic will not stand if it is led by bad people.
He was talking about dishonest pieces of shit like you.
I guess I assumed that Jamelle was a woman because the French suffix "elle" indicates feminine. Like Michelle- the person who was interviewing him.
If you are a Trump supporter then you have concluded that the character of our political leadership does not matter. So when it comes to the character of Platner Swallwell or Pelosi or Clinton or Biden you can just STFU. You have no standing to be in this argument.
And there is the reason for the fake Steele Dossier, the reason SPLC paid the Klan and Nazis then claimed them as Trump supporters. They did it so the left can claim those things are real about Trump to inoculate the left from criticism of who they really are (and always have been).
Damn, Achilles! Don't sugar-coat it. Tell us how you really feel.
In the beginning, Platner was seen as being Maine's John Fetterman. They were both somewhat rough sons of well-off parents cosplaying working class fellas. "Failson" is a pretty good word to describe them. Democrats thought Platner would appeal to the White working class. All the revelations, though, put him into a different, darker category.
Trump "is actively engaged in harming other people in his private life, right." Ivana, Marla, and Melania may have had reasons to complain in the past, but he seems to have settled down. One can try to rate his behavior against Platner's, but Platner's on the same continuum.
The skull and crossbones features on several US Army insignia. The Totenkopf goes back to Imperial Germany and the postwar Freikorps. The Nazis altered it a little. Platner's an idiot, but like motorcyclists who adopted Nazi-era paraphernalia, he may not actually be a Nazi.
No hes right they arr trying to burn down the country dowm and the white togas are tut tuttimg
I guess "ratbag" just isn't catching on.
The comments disintegrate quickly into bitter denunciations and long strings of foaming at the mouth adjectives, and it’s the same people doing this day to day. I don’t know how you guys keep it up.
The Hotchkiss Dirtbag.
Platner is definitely not a Nazi, because he's an avowed Communist.
I think it's interesting, the deafening silence coming from Republicans. I think there's probably more to the Platner bio that has been successfully repressed by the NYT / New Yorker profiles, and the conservatives are saving it for midterms. A wise move, uncharacteristically.
Interesting, how Progressives can so easily talk themselves into a 'forgiveness & redemption' phase when it comes to processing the moral failings of their candidates, but for anybody outside the Party, it's a death sentence, yeah?
"If you are a Trump supporter then you have concluded that the character of our political leadership does not matter."
Just the opposite. It matters a lot, but only when it's character issues that might effect policy. After watching him my whole life, I don't see anything about Trump's character that would facilitate him doing something he believed was bad for the country just to get money, sex, power. He may want those things on top of the good policy, but he's always been highly patriotic, community serving at his own expense, and serious. The fact that he waited so long to run, even at one point refusing to run against Jessie Jackson out of friendship, shows me that power was not an allure by itself. He ran when he thought things had gone too far in the wrong direction, and that he felt he knew how to change that. Someone like Joe Biden just wanted to be President and had no vision. His stated reason for running (the good people on both sides lie) was something he knew wasn't true. Someone who just wants to be President, or Senator will do nothing with the power, no matter how long they are there. A good example is Bernie Sanders.
I don't particularly care if he is a crypto-nazi wife beater. What bothers me is the fact that he is a self-proclaimed communist.
I mean, not so "crypto" in his case, at least until he covered it up...
Trump is going to kill all the gays!
still waiting. strange - he hires them instead.
https://x.com/johnkonrad/status/2063287799613178079
" I don’t know how you guys keep it up."
Viagra?
"Platner is definitely not a Nazi, because he's an avowed Communist."
Well, let's not get too far out over the skis. Hitler's party was called the National Socialists. They fought bitterly with the Communists, in part because they were trying to recruit the same people - disaffected working-class men, the rougher the better. Either bunch would have been happy to get Platner. Although I don't think they'd have had much use for his oyster farm.
He's not a Nazi. He's a communist. A "working class hero" communist who attended Hotchkiss (that Maine Monitor piece left out that little tidbit) and whose "oyster farm" is supported mainly by...his mom.
I once had a case involving Hotchkiss (relating to leaking of the roof of the back-up hockey rink). There is also a championship 18-hole golf course, an olympic-sized competition pool and a separate, smaller pool facility. It's a very nice place that exudes wealth and privilege.
We had a couple of negotiation sessions held at the campus. My comment to my wife was "There's a reason that those Hotchkiss kids think they own the world. They do."
A trust fund commie. Like Mamdani.
And all of these idiots think that his bleating about "universal free healthcare" will somehow lead to healthcare bliss. We already got that, dopes. It's called "Obamacare" a/k/a the ACA. How's that workin' out for ya?
"Again, lets derail from the actual issues, and Planter's differences on policy with Collins."
OK, what are their policy differences?
Platner is definitely not a Nazi, because he's an avowed Communist.
The two aren't that far apart. In Wiemar Germany the same people might be Red one day and Nazi another. Leigh Fermor describes such an individual in A Time of Gifts, "I realized Adolf was the man for me. All of a sudden!" And all that guy's Red friends followed him into the SA.
You should vote for our candidate because they aren't as big a dirtbag as the other side's candidate.
DemocRAAT
I hope he wins. The alternative is no good to us anyway. At least this guy provides lots of whataboutisms to harvest as needed.
Platner/Paxton 2028: Because America deserves leaders who truly understand the American people—
The ultimate power couple for America. One can't keep it in his pants during his honeymoon period, the other a grifter who can't keep his donor's mistress off the payroll.
Together, they’re running on the bold platform of ‘family values’ and ‘draining the swamp.’
“Finally, a ticket honest enough to screw you in public.’"
@boatbuilder, Canada has already shown us the end state for single payer healthcare — it’s called “coerced MAID.”
Althouse commenters trend older and may not know that young’uns universally consider “dirtbag” to be a term of endearment.
The alternative is no good to us anyway
…that’s been my working theory on Collins for a long time. Lately I’ve come to believe they use ‘we have to keep Collins safe’ or ‘she’s having a crisis of conscience’ only as a uniparty excuse. If Collins is gone it will only mean one less Republican the uniparty has to account for…
To me, it’s a mark of the contempt that today’s Democrats have for genuine working class individuals, that they would package trust fund child Graham Platner as an example of the working class.
They say of some people that “they were born on third base and think they hit a triple.” Platner was born on third base and “advanced” all the way to second.
Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ said...
Graham Platner has a bright future in politics. If he becomes a Republican. He has the right Republican presidential qualifications.
Funny, I just had a discussion with my elderly Democrat dad about Platner, and I told him that I thought that Platner would fit right in with the Democrat caucus. I brought up Senators like Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy and Chris "Waitress Sandwich" Dodd among others as being of similar moral fiber.
One of Platner’s most endearing traits is that he is demonstrating to everyone that there really is no difference between a NAZI and a Communist.
Both are just different forms of theft and slavery.
They are the founding principles of the democrat party.
The diffference being that Platner hasn't drowned anyone yet.
Sturmführer Platner und his Unter DemArschloch Sanders
https://x.com/adamcarolla/status/2063341799436132515?s=20
Back in the 1980s I was active in local GOP politics in Montgomery County, Maryland. Constance Morella wss a liberal Republican from a district centered on Bethesda, MD — then as today the abode of extreme limousine liberals. And I offer the same defense of Susan Collins as I offered then for Connie — given the area she represents, what makes you think you could possibly get anyone more conservative than her elected? Take what you can get and be glad it is there to be gotten.
I was curious as to the origin, beyond what I assumed and the llm led me to this,
LLM:
If you're looking for the specific article, it was her Current Affairs essay on vulgarity and political rhetoric in 2016 that is usually cited as the origin. If you'd like, I can track down the exact essay title and publication date.
ME:
I think you are referring to this article, https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2016/08/the-necessity-of-political-vulgarity, you can see that it doesn't actually use the term dirtbag in it
LLM:
You're right, and that's an important correction.
The Current Affairs article "The Necessity of Political Vulgarity" does not contain the phrase "dirtbag left" at all. What happened is that later writers (especially Jia Tolentino in The New Yorker) connected the article's argument about vulgarity to the term and retroactively treated it as the intellectual origin story.
The actual problem is that the origin of the phrase is surprisingly murky.
What we can establish:
By November 2016, Jia Tolentino wrote in The New Yorker that "Dirtbag Left" was "a term coined by the writer Amber A'Lee Frost."
Tolentino immediately followed that statement by referencing Frost's Current Affairs vulgarity essay, which led many later writers to assume the term first appeared there.
However, the article itself never uses the term, as you noticed.
I have not found a contemporaneous article, podcast episode, or tweet that can be definitively identified as the first public use by Frost. Most later accounts simply repeat that she coined it.
My suspicion is that "dirtbag left" originated as an in-group label among the early Chapo/Current Affairs/Brooklyn socialist milieu and was already circulating before Tolentino's November 2016 profile. The New Yorker article may actually be the earliest major publication to document the term in print rather than the place where it was coined.
If you're interested in the true first usage, the best places to look would be:
Amber Frost's Twitter archive from spring–fall 2016.
Early 2016 episodes of Chapo Trap House.
Appearances by the future Chapo hosts on Street Fight Radio before Chapo launched.
There are a lot of citations claiming "Frost coined it," but far fewer identifying where she coined it. As far as I can tell, that's still an unresolved piece of internet-political history rather than a settled fact.
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