That's the London Times. The view from the losing side.
June 22, 2026
"And beneath the bluster, Trump’s limited view of the American Revolution is very familiar..."
"... it reflects, like so much else about him, the mainstream culture of the Cold War era, when museums and films did indeed tell a relentlessly upbeat story of American accomplishment — in vivid contrast to the plodding drudgery of communism. The leftist radicals of the 1960s and 1970s dissented noisily from this cosy view, but the majority accepted it unquestioningly. Since then a more extreme view has taken root: those who see the revolution not as the start of an unfinished project but as a fixed source of authority, a 250-year-old set of final answers. But as the US blows out its birthday candles, does it still have the capacity it once had for political renewal, while retaining its founding principles?
It is always easier to start revolutions than to end them. This is why so many Americans have believed theirs was superior to others: it had been brought to an elegant conclusion by the constitution of 1787. Americans, it seemed, had escaped the spirals of radicalism and authoritarianism that beset France, or Latin American republics...."
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What an exercise in “blah… blah… blah…”
The british and the 4th of July = the annual nonsense.
The most amazing thing about Trump and the last 10 years is the hysterical reaction of the establishment and the MSM to it. Even a minor adjustement to their power results in them labeling Trump a fascist or a "Revolutionist".
In other news, Starmer has just resigned. The new boss will be just like the old boss, but will be better at PR. Blank-faced Robot Starmer is gone, fun life of the party Andy is in. But the jails will still be full of people who typed the wrong words on Twitter, immigrants will be still be flooding in, and the UK will still be supporting war everywhere.
Thank God we left.
.... the view is from the losing side.
Excellent
.... the view is from the losing side.
Excellent
Londonistan Times, NYT, New Yorker.
I hold in the same basket of deplorables.
The nation is divided and the people not in power or favor claim it’s the enemy’s fault. So say the people not in favor and losing more power by the hour…
Brave Sir Keir.
As I usually say, when forced to watch Hamilton I always root for King George…
What makes America Great is the Fraud perpetrated by Wlaz, Kieth Ellison, the democrats/ one party rule of CA, Spamburger.
Revolution unravelling?
They mention 1976, but what about 1876? That was just 11 years after the end of the Civil War and when the KKK/Southern resistance was at its peak.
What about FDR's New Deal era of the 1930s, when countries worldwide toyed with Communism before Stalin's actions were revealed?
It seems the US is near to unravelling every generation. Brian Barry is famous for writing: "the collapse of democracy is a bit like the end of the world: perpetually predicted for a date five or ten years hence."
https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/S/bo22957826.html
Kier - the crying asshole -who smothers the speech of female victims of rape on behalf of his Islamic Supremacist constituents, has resigned in disgrace.
Bye.
Our Founding Fathers are under Attack from the Corrupt Soros-Democratic/ Islamic/Chi Com communist Left.
They want to erase our history back to its founding.
What awful human beings.
The Brits not only lost our revolution, they've lost their own as well, thanks to every political professional, left and right, since Tiny Tony Blair, the Edinburgher Mangler. Nobody in Whitehall has bothered to notice the use of the Act of Settlement and the Bill of Rights as toilet paper -- nobody but Rupert Lowe, and he's marked for death.
Everyone around the world has the 4th of July on their calendar, but only we have it as Independence Day. Our nation is not perfect, nor is our history unflawed, but our system of government has allowed for the creation of more prosperity and liberty than any other. I wouldn't trade places with any other country.
"But is America’s revolution unravelling?"
I don't think it is, mate.
"Thank God we left."
We left, they followed, and then we kicked them the f*ck out.
The only one unraveling is the "Once Great" Britain.
"Since then a more extreme view has taken root: those who see the revolution not as the start of an unfinished project but as a fixed source of authority, a 250-year-old set of final answers."
No, the "more extreme view" that has "taken root" is that America and its revolution are evil. The idea that the Founders had the answers was part of that "mainstream Cold War culture" that lives on in Trump. It wasn't inconsistent with the ability to change. The Founders were, after all, revolutionaries.
It may have been contradictory, but the country was able to combine dedication to preserve the Founders' project with the ability to change, and the article reflects that, but the author wants to pretend that the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society and other relatively feeble and toothless groups represent a radical deviation from that tradition. If he wants to find something radical and extreme, he's looking in the wrong place.
The author is "Adam Smith." He or his parents should have changed that --- it sounds too much like a pseudonym.
I think it's just counterfactual to think 1976 was less divided than the present time. We had just passed through the highly contentious Johnson and Nixon eras, featuring Vietnam, Inflation, oil embargo and economic stagnation. Due to resignations, we had a president who wasn't elected--not even as VP.
“Americans, it seemed, had escaped the spirals of radicalism and authoritarianism that beset France, or Latin American republics...."
Americans are also escaping Islamification and associated cultural suicide currently besetting the United Kingdom.
Don't forget Canada. Canada's purpose is to serve as constant reminder for why Americans rebelled against the crown.
"That's the London Times. The view from the losing side."
Not only did they lose their wars against us; unless there's drastic, dare I say, radical change, they will lose their own nation.
The country can never be considered united until the multitudes of mentally deranged leftists and their fans in the media get what they want. Once that occurs, all the media commentary will celebrate how unity has been miraculously restored
This article goes well with the David Thomson, AO Scott article yesterday. American films of the 60s and 70s -- and even much earlier -- taught a rebellious individualism. Critics like Thomson embraced that rebelliousness when it was seen as left-wing. American influence breathed life into the stodgy British and French film industries. Now that rebellious cynicism is no longer confined to the left and makes it harder for liberal elites to control the public, British elites have soured on American films and on America.
In the 70s there was a bipartisan silent majority that had gone through the common experiences of depression, war and cold war, so however contentious politics were, the country was united at its core. Now with everyone online and no common formative experiences we are (or at least we feel) more divided.
Crying in their [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] governmental warming ale.
Diversity (i.e. color judgment, class bigotry) is divisive. #BabyLivesMatter
"Trump's limited view of the American Revolution", said without evidence......
Archived here: https://archive.ph/WrhJU
It's worth reading as a great example of some really sour grapes. The writer does everything they can to paint a tawdry, shallow picture, then steps back and points: "See? It's a terrible tawdry and shallow picture !"
Is ITALIANS in bold permissable? I kid.
Trump will always make a show out of it, for the public.
There's always a vocal majority that treats the National Anthem at ballgames as a test of patriotism, instead of a way to get the crowd to shut up and pay attention because the ball game is starting.
That's authority without authority.
@Lazarus --
In 1976, perhaps 90% of people watched the same news shows and same entertainment options on the same 3 networks. The big TV shows like M*A*S*H got 40% of the audience. People saw ads for the same movies, went to the same movies, and packed family restaurants like Pizza Hut every weekend.
The US media culture was homogenous, not to mention that the people were 85% white European too.
RCOCEAN II said...
The british and the 4th of July = the annual nonsense.
Do they even have a July 4 in the UK?
"Brave Sir Keir."
How Keir Starmer was undone by caution and no clear plan ~ FT
“never recovered from an early decision to cut winter fuel payments to pensioners”
UK politics with brevity.
Replace this headline with [Andy Burnham] in 6-9 months.
I can understand why the Brit elites complain about our Cnstitution and how it locks us into certain broad guidelines. It can be changed, but not easily and generally not quickly. We've changed it 26 times in 230 years or so.
Britain claims to have a Constitution but it is really just a series of traditions and is more or less whatever the govt, including the courts, says it is on a given day.
I think they are jealous.
John Henry
Being exceptional is not a popularity contest.
Ah perfidious albion
When the USA turned 200, the nation came together as one.
Someone remembers 1976 differently than I do. We were 2 years post Nixon and 1 year after the fall of Saigon. Just before those things, we had oil quadruple in price, which did all the things to the economy that the left claims a 10% increase will do again. 1976 was more like a breather before the malaise of Carter.
Cry harder, losers.
" Since then a more extreme view has taken root: those who see the revolution not as the start of an unfinished project but as a fixed source of authority, a 250-year-old set of final answers" They still don't get it.
Speaking of the notional British "constitution", we are going to see it in action shortly. The PM has announced he is planning to resign. This is at least partly fallout from Epstein.
The normal process, publicly at least, is that the majority party nominates a leader, proposes them to the King and the king rubber stamps them as the King's (not UK or England) Prime Minister.
But there is no basis even for the existence of a PM other than tradition. There is no law creating one. There is no requirement that there be one. There is no requirement that the king appoint the one the party chooses.
King Chuck has not had a spark of imagination in 75 years and I have rocks that seem smarter than he is. But there is nothing stopping him from saying "OK, this bullshit has gone on long enough. Nigel, I am naming you my Prime Minister. Your first job is to dismantle the fascism that govt has imposed on my people. Your second job is to get rid of all the illegal aliens and your third job is to stop the widespread rape gangs and human trafficking. All three are related and you should do them together. Let me know if you need anything."
Everyone would cry "Constitutional Crisis" but Chuck and Nigel could point out that if there is no constitution, there can be no constitutional crisis. At best, it is a crisis of traditions and traditions can be changed.
And since all of Britain has been deballed, oops, I mean disarmed, there is nobody to stop him anyway.
It won't happen but one can dream.
In the meantime, Fuck the Brits. Nice enough people, the ones I've met in my life. But the country is down the dumper. Getting snookered into bailing them out twice last century should have been the end of it.
John Henry
Perhaps Guy Fawkes had the right idea
John Henry
Hey, now that the PM job is going spare, maybe Kamala could apply?
She is certainly as qualified as most of the PMs weve seen. She is even, as a citizen of Jamaica, one of King Chuck's subjects, though that is not a requirement. (Since the position of PM has no official or legal existence, there are no requirements who can be appointed)
John Henry
To get and keep a job in media, you must demonstrate fealty to the Narrative. Every observation must conduce towards leftist promoting agendas. The project is neverending.
Britain. The once most powerful navy in the world could not find a SINGLE ship to protect their assets when the Iran conflict started. THEN had the temerity to refuse flyover rights. ANY country that refused flyover or landing rights is dead to me.
The English had their Glorious Revolution. The Dutch had their thing against the Spanish Hapsburg Reign. So that and the American Revolution are about it for revolutions that actually worked out and left their citizens in
a better place to pursue happiness. So far as unsuccessful revolutions go, it seems difficult to handicap who had the most unsuccessful: The French, the Russians, or the Iranians.
Then there's always the revolution within the revolution: Napoleon replacing Robespierre, Mao replacing Chiang, Stalin replacing Lenin, and God knows who replacing the Ayatollah. We had luck with Washington's immediate successors. Imagine if Kamala had taken over for Washington. We'd have been in a fine pickle.
This is why so many Americans have believed theirs was superior to others: it had been brought to an elegant conclusion by the constitution of 1787.
The Constitution (note that the ignorant Brits don’t realize it should be capitalized) was remarkable, but the key was George Washington. No doubt he could have turned the Constitution into a sham document, but in refusing to run for re-election in 1796, and retiring peacefully to his plantation, he assured that the title “President” would always be different than “King.”
The second great event happened in between November 1800 and March 1801, the first time a sitting President lost his re-election bid, and to make matters worse, Adams lost to his former friend turned bitter political rival. But Adams accepted the election results and simply went home to Massachusetts to sulk.
The contrast, 225 years later with Labour’s willingness to employ every underhanded political trick to suppress the Reform Party is telling.
a fixed source of authority, a 250-year-old set of final answers.
Not final answers. Just answers that, as long as they're working, we should hesitate to discard. That's the essence of conservatism and the reason it never dies, despite constant predictions of its demise: it's the philosophy of keeping what works and changing only cautiously and incrementally, to minimize unintended consequences and collateral damage
But as the US blows out its birthday candles, does it still have the capacity it once had for political renewal, while retaining its founding principles?
Well, some of us do.
“But as the US blows out its birthday candles, does it still have the capacity it once had for political renewal, while retaining its founding principles?”
Speaking of founding principles, limeys, how’s that Magna Carta holding up?
“Americans rightly recoil at recent reports from Britain, where Justice Secretary David Lammy announced that criminal jury trials for offenses carrying fewer than three years behind bars will be scrapped. This disturbing move may well mark the beginning of the end of jury trials in England and Wales.”
"..films did indeed tell a relentlessly upbeat story of American accomplishment.."
i asked this yesterday; but i'll ask it Again..
Could Some One give me a list (or even an example) of of some ( or even ONE) of these "upbeat" films?
Big Mike said...
"..The contrast, 225 years later with Labour’s willingness to employ every underhanded political trick to suppress the Reform Party is telling..."
The contrast, 220 years later with the Democrat’s willingness to employ every underhanded political trick to suppress the Tea Party (and then Trump) is telling.
fify!
OT:
"Prime Minister Quits.
There are so many ‘don’t let the door hit you’ takes, I’ll only be able to share a few of the pithier ones.
He reopened closed investigations because he hated the British military, hounding some individual troops to the brink of repeated suicide attempts.
The little girls slaughtered at Southport, the Chagos (still hanging in the balance only because of US interference) and Gibraltar betrayals, the authoritarian loss of free speech and expression, crushing the rights of native British in favour of an illegal migrant flood of Third World cultures, Starmer’s personal culpability in the Rape Gang horror…
…and too much more to list, every one of them, Two Tier Keir’s rightful, truly ghastly legacy."
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Looks like his replacement will be even more authoritarian.
Consider the number of Americans of White, European heritage in the country today vs. the number of “Americans” from who knows where with no attachment at all to the founding. That is the answer. Nothing to do with Trump.
His replacement will be just as much of a 'British cigarette' as he is. It's an English tradition.
...in vivid contrast to the plodding drudgery of communism.
Yeah, I guess we all missed out on the real fun!
...those who see the revolution not as the start of an unfinished project but as a fixed source of authority, a 250-year-old set of final answers.
Yes, you stupid dipshits, The Revolution produced The Constitution, a "fixed source of authority" which has stood for 250 years as the foundation of the Greatest Nation in The History of the World.
We are still here, getting stronger, notwithstanding our political divisions. As the Founders envisioned.
Enigma: "The dark night of fascism is always descending on the United States, and yet lands only in Europe." Tom Wolfe
“His replacement will be just as much of a 'British cigarette' as he is. It's an English tradition.”
Another pusillanimous leftard pussy in the wings…
“Poor Jimmy Savile. If he'd have been born 50 years later he'd be molesting children at 10 Downing Street right now.”
—— Iowahawk
"It's shite being Scottish! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fucking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization! Some hate the English...I don't! They're just British cigarettes. We, on the other hand, are colonized by British cigarettes! Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized by! We're ruled by effete British cigarettes! It's a shite state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and all the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference!"
- Mark "Rent-boy" Renton, "Trainspotting" (...paraphrased)
Not so much DJT, but... Fifty years on, what are the chances of the same thing happening after more more than half a century campaign spearheaded by the American Federation of Teachers fostering racial and religious division, promoting special rights based on a myriad of arbitrary groupings, fomenting victimhood and resentment, destroying the very language needed for clear communication so necessary to a cohesive society, etc.
Actually that was gunther grass (i know i'm shocked)
@gilbar, I’ll accept that as a friendly amendment.
Whos the wanker that wrote this
Gramscian socialists may be in the process of “unraveling” our country, led by the Democrats, but they are not raping and torturing our little girls by the tens of thousands. What’s with the London Times, misery loves company? And hey, Starmer is a Pygmy. Trump is a giant.
Before dawn on May 10th, 1775-- less than a month after Lexington and Concord-- some 85 New Englanders rowed across the southern end of Lake Champlain, keeping silent, muskets primed.
Their objective was a dilapidated, star-shaped fortress called Ticonderoga, built by the French 20 years earlier and now occupied by 50 British soldiers and 24 women and children.
If they could capture it, they might be able to stop British troops from attacking from the north; to provide American forces with a staging area should they ever choose to invade Canada; and to take possession of dozens of artillery pieces that the rebel forces ringing Boston desperately needed.
The men slipped silently onto the shore.
The British surrendered without a shot.
So did the 9 redcoats stationed at Crown Point, a smaller outpost nearby.
The Americans had two commanders.
One was Colonel Ethan Allen, the hard-drinking leader of the "Green Mountain Boys," a band of vigilantes who had spent years defending their settlements in the Vermont region of northwestern New England against New Yorkers who also claimed the land.
The other was a newly promoted 34-year-old Connecticut militia colonel.
He was descended from a distinguished New England family that had fallen on hard times.
Able but arrogant, sensitive to slights, he would become one of the most important commanders of the American Revolution.
His name was Benedict Arnold.
The Constitution was not intended to be a set of answers. It is a framework of procedures and guardrails for *finding* answers in a reasonably orderly (sometimes more, sometimes less) process that works if everyone respects the outcome. We have lots of people disrespecting the outcomes at the moment.
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Before dawn on May 10th, 1775-- less than a month after Lexington and Concord-- some 85 New Englanders rowed across the southern end of Lake Champlain, keeping silent, muskets primed.
Their objective was a dilapidated, star-shaped fortress called Ticonderoga, built by the French 20 years earlier and now occupied by 50 British soldiers and 24 women and children.
If they could capture it, they might be able to stop British troops from attacking from the north; to provide American forces with a staging area should they ever choose to invade Canada; and to take possession of dozens of artillery pieces that the rebel forces ringing Boston desperately needed.
The men slipped silently onto the shore.
The British surrendered without a shot.
So did the 9 redcoats stationed at Crown Point, a smaller outpost nearby.
The Americans had two commanders.
One was Colonel Ethan Allen, the hard-drinking leader of the "Green Mountain Boys," a band of vigilantes who had spent years defending their settlements in the Vermont region of northwestern New England against New Yorkers who also claimed the land.
The other was a newly promoted 34-year-old Connecticut militia colonel.
He was descended from a distinguished New England family that had fallen on hard times.
Able but arrogant, sensitive to slights, he would become one of the most important commanders of the American Revolution.
His name was Benedict Arnold.
England seems to be governed by the principles of incsoc
https://share.google/sTm2NeQF1LQif0FG2
I've got some good news for the Brits, though. Your American cousins, 250 years ago, proved that you have revolution in your DNA. By now, you ought to be pretty primed: People being jailed for what they say online or in public, even for putting up your own flags. Native Britishers being knifed by lying immigrants and allowed to bleed out in handcuffs while the coppers dismiss their injuries. Generations of British girls being groomed, systematically demeaned, raped and passed around groups of immigrant men, all covered up by the police and the Labor party. And now this: A disgraced PM who has dragged his feet just long enough for his replacement to be engineered into place as a new MP so that he can be appointed PM. New Boss, same as Old Boss.
If you Brits will put up with all of that, and cannot muster the rage to demand elections right away, where there's a chance to have political change and hope for national, cultural survival - then you don't deserve to survive. You ought to be rioting in the streets over what has been done to you, specifically the streets outside Parliament, #10 Downing, and every single police station that has purveyed these onerous policies. They've been giving you slow torture.
See this guy? His cell will be waiting for him, and transportation is already arranged.
https://x.com/GardensR4Health/status/2068649863273689522/video/1
After seeing so many travelog videos from World Cup tourists being super positive about their U.S. experience, us Americans are being reminded by how good we have it here by third parties. I'm definitely feeling more patriotic ... I bought a Nike USA team soccer jersey last week. USA, USA, USA!
We have been getting this constantly negative reporting by the MSM. But the unsolicited positive reportage by our visitors is so heartwarming!! I love it!
It's almost as if a UK editorialist has no understanding of Reconstruction, or the New Deal, or the Civil Rights periods as times in which government's relationship with the governed in the United States fundamentally changed.
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