"It is hard to believe that this is entirely accidental. One possibility is that the reconstructors are engaged in a kind of trolling. In this interpretation, they know perfectly well that ancient sculptures did not look like the reconstructions, and probably included the subtle variation of color tones that ancient paintings did. But they fail to correct the belief that people naturally form given what is placed before them: that the proffered reconstruction of ancient sculpture is roughly what ancient sculpture actually looked like. It is a further question whether such trolling would be deeply objectionable.... There is genuine intellectual value in the project and what could be seen as mean-spirited iconoclasm could equally be embraced as harmless fun. On the other hand, at a time when trust in the honest intentions of experts is at a low, it may be unwise for experts to troll the public."
Writes Ralph S. Weir, in
"Were classical statues painted horribly? It is often suggested that modern viewers dislike painted reconstructions of Greek and Roman statues because our taste differs from that of the ancients. This essay proposes an alternative explanation" (Works in Progress).

Is that a joke about how the ancient Greeks painted their statues?
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The unpainted weathered statues have a certain grace and timelessness, the Japanese call it wabi sabi - a beauty found in the imperfections and weathering. Vintage watches with a showing of patina are my favorite examples.
Modern models.
---- Is that a joke about how the ancient Greeks painted their statues?
No, I recall being told that the Parthenon, where we were standing at that moment, was originally painted.
Like Ted Turner colorizing b&w movies, I am glad we preserve them without.
My logic is poor, but I mean I like classical sculpture and architecture that looks "classical"! Dadgummit.
Agatha, darling!
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Will you go and look over the photograph album that I see there?
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Dear girl! She is so fond of photographs of Switzerland. Such a pure taste, I think.
- Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
“ No, I recall being told that the Parthenon, where we were standing at that moment, was originally painted.”
It’s not a question of whether they were painted. It’s how they were painted. A garish cartoonish way of painting is being used. That’s what the essayist is analyzing.
The examples seemed in between garish and (merely) colorful. I like the garish extreme or the bare nekkid stone.
The "legit" reconstructions of painted sculptures are based on preserved colors found on the ancient statues, buildings, etc. You can go to Egypt today and still see some remnants of the paints applied to buildings.
Aristotle and Sophocles were fans of the minimalist coloration. Euripides and Plato went in for the garish, bigtime. Aeschylus was an on-the-one-hand....
That was a very well-argued piece. There seems no reasonable basis to conclude that the "reconstructions" resemble the originals.
I presume that they generate a lot of money that would otherwise go towards other projects.
With natural pigments, any garish coloring wouldn't remain garish for long, what with bright Mediterranean sun and frequent rain. Not to mention sandstorms in the farther flung corners of the empires. At least on outdoor statuary and building exteriors.
Just like the British "red" coats probably looked more maroon or even brown after years of weathering. CC, JSM
I would guess garish colors were pretty rare back then. They probably looked more festive or luxurious to people who didn't have access to cartoons or neon signs......People change. We still enjoy a good gladiatorial fight but mostly by performers who walk home after the performance. Some here will argue the point, but I would be opposed to having criminals by the thousands put up on crosses and posted at regular intervals along a major thoroughfare.
It reminds me of the dollar store mass produced, but hand painted in China, figurines.
William: public hangings, with the bodies left up there in chains until they rot, might work. An originalist SCOTUS would find that exactly this punishment was used at the time the 8th amendment was passed, so it can hardly be cruel nor unusual. Long-drop hanging has been scientifically systematized, so it's instantaneous and therefore even less cruel. CC, JSM
If you've ever worked with natural dyes and pigments, you discover that they render muted colors trending toward earth tones. It's always led me to suspect that bold, vibrant colors in historical times were rare, and very expensive. And looking at old mosaics that have been buried for centuries, they too are in muted colors. Which leads me to think that these historical renderings that turn out so garishly, are done by untalented artists that can't otherwise get work unless it's as illustrators of so-called 'historical' renderings.
How do we know how the ancients painted their sculptures?
He touches on this briefly, but for me, the clearest indication that these expert "reconstructions" must be grossly misleading is the colouration of mosaic portraits that survive. In the photographs I have seen, many of them -- including some that are a bit crude in execution -- reflect a stylised version of what modern portrait artists might refer to as the temperature zones of the face, with a yellower forehead, a redder cheek, and a greyer chin. I don't think that's the result of one-off careful observation by the artist (especially an artist who renders faces with wonky proportions), unlike, perhaps, his example of the picture of the statue of the boxer depicted with sunburnt shoulders. Rather, I think it must be reflective of some sort of standard training regarding how to depict the shifts in skin colour realistically. And it seems inconceivable to me that this wouldn't also be reflected on statuary that is otherwise so exquisitely executed.
Could the artist put down a base coat and then put the more natural details on top of that? The only traces that would survive would be from the base coat.
The picture Ann posted above remind me of Joxer from Xena: Warrier Princess. Not colorwise. Just the helmet.
Link: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hercxena/images/c/c4/Joxer.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20090629142908
Thanx Professor, that was interesting.
(and, so long that before i got to the end i'd Completely forgot who sent me there, and i copied the URL to post this evening on your cafe so your people could read it : )
I think the frescos would naturally be vivid but i dont why the statues would be
.."How do we know how the ancients painted their sculptures?"..
So (according to the reading), there is remaining traces of the paint still on the statues..
of course, (according to the reading,) the traces are of THE PRIMER paint that was used (as THAT is ALL that's left)..
SO, scientifically..
we scientists KNOW what a 1965 mustang looked like:
a dull red paint; because that's what is on the one we found at the junk yard.
THIS; is what currently passes as "science"
as Aggie and Mosby point out;
Even IF the statues were garish when they we installed;
it a VERY short time they'd be weathered and look MUCH different
Even IF the final coats were Anything like the primer coats
"Chroma: Ancient Sculpture in Color" was a 2022 Metropolitan Museum show. You can find images and reviews on line. For the most part the colors weren't garish or glaring, but the result still wasn't what we're used to or quite what what would appeal to most moderns. However subdued the palate, one color or pops out and calls attention to itself. The Greeks didn't have our sense of which colors go together well, and their painting of eyes can also be a problem.
Before the Soviet War Memorial in Bulgaria was dismantled the bas reliefs were painted in colorful superhero costumes by graffiti artists. The effect wasn't so different from one of the less attractive pieces in the Met show or maybe Greek sculpture itself.
Why would you paint marble? Might as well make the statue out of wood.
It would be interesting in how AI would scan available data and create the painted figure
We like the statues today because they are white. Add another few zeroes to the reparations checks...
Love the third tag, by the way.
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