December 17, 2025

“If you read between the lines, it’s not that bad."

Said Rob Reiner after reading Roger Ebert's famous "Hated It" review out loud, for laughs:


It's a funny punchline, reminiscent of "Dumb and Dumber"'s "So you're telling me, there's a chance?"

But what was it that bothered Ebert so much about Reiner's movie, "North"?

Here's more of Ebert's review:
[The main character is] a kid with inattentive parents, who decides to go into court, free himself of them, and go on a worldwide search for nicer parents. This idea is deeply flawed. Children do not lightly separate from their parents – and certainly not on the evidence provided here, where the great parental sin is not paying attention to their kid at the dinner table. The parents (Julia Louis-Dreyfus and Jason Alexander) have provided little North with what looks like a million-dollar house in a Frank Capra neighborhood, all on dad’s salary as a pants inspector. And, yes, I know that is supposed to be a fantasy, but the pants-inspecting jokes are only the first of several truly awful episodes in this film.

North goes into court, where the judge is Alan Arkin.... North’s case hits the headlines, and since he is such an all-star overachiever, offers pour in from would-be parents all over the world, leading to an odyssey that takes him to Texas, Hawaii, Alaska, and elsewhere.... I hated this movie. Hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it....

Wikipedia says Ebert later said (to Siskel)

I hated this movie as much as any movie we have ever reviewed in the 19 years we've been doing this show. I hated it because of the premise, which seems shockingly cold-hearted, and because this premise is being suggested to kids as children's entertainment, and because everybody in the movie was vulgar and stupid, and because the jokes weren't funny, and because most of the characters were obnoxious, and because of the phony attempt to add a little pseudo-hip philosophy with the Bruce Willis character. 

Siskel added, "I think you gotta hold Rob Reiner's feet to the fire here. I mean, he's the guy in charge... he's saying this is entertainment... it's deplorable. There isn't a gag that works. You couldn't write worse jokes if I told you to write worse jokes. The ethnic stereotyping is appalling... it's embarrassing... you feel unclean as you're sitting there. It's junk. First-class junk!" and finished his statement with "Any subject could be done well; this is just trash, Roger." Ebert's future co-host on Ebert and Roeper, Richard Roeper, would later go on to list North as one of the 40 worst movies he's ever seen, stating: "Of all the films on this list, North may be the most difficult to watch from start to finish. I've tried twice and failed. Do yourself a favor and don't even bother. Life is too short."

Here's the trailer in case you want to get a sense of what bothered these men — Ebert, Siskel, Roeper — so much:


It seems to be a very obvious kid fantasy — replacing your own parents with better parents, parents who would really understand and appreciate you. But somehow that innocent, petulant wish can be presented in a way that is radically and intolerably offensive. One would have to watch the apparently unwatchable movie to try to find out exactly how, and it's not as though it contains the answer to the question why the the former kid, Nick Reiner, found his own parents so objectionable that he knifed them to death. Perhaps "North" couldn't find an audience because we don't identify with a boy who turns his back on a good-enough real family, and we don't want to see a world full of childless couples step up and beg for the privilege of becoming this entitled boy's new parents. The empathy with the boy goes too far, extravagantly too far, and there is no reason to consider the possibility that the boy could be better off after this fantastical journey.

68 comments:

Achilles said...

I am curious to know a bit about the party at Conan's house.

Apparently the fight between Reiner and Nick was loud and heard by many.

Curious George said...

"Achilles said...
I am curious to know a bit about the party at Conan's house.

Apparently the fight between Reiner and Nick was loud and heard by many."

Don't know if true, but one source said Nick was going up to guests and asking them their name, and then asking if they were famous. Pissed off RR, and ultimately he was kicked out.

Achilles said...

Because if we get down to the truth of this story it will be about how degenerate Hollywood is and how morally deranged the people in the hollywood industry are.

Going to be some stuff in there about why drugs are bad for you and mental illness.

Ann Althouse said...

Speaking of entitled, how does a man in such bad condition get to attend Conan O'Brien's Christmas party? What did that guy need to do to obtain the rejection he wanted? Apparently, wrecking Conan O'Brien's Christmas party wasn't enough.

Kakistocracy said...


The warmth of his humanity is a fine legacy.

He is not thought of as a peer of Scorsese or Coppola or Tarantino because his work was too diverse and accessible for him to be seen as an auteur. But as the enormous outpouring of affection and admiration for his movies shows, many of them will last.

When Harry Met Sally, A Few Good Men, The Princess Bride, Spinal Tap among others are an outstanding body of work that will secure his place in the Hollywood pantheon.

Yancey Ward said...

Ebert was right- it is a terrible movie. Surprised by how long ago it was released, though. Those 31 years flew by.

Leland said...

Never watched North (nor seen the trailer just yet), but the described premise reminds me of Brett Cooper.

Aggie said...

@Yancy, that's what I was curious about. I've never heard of the movie, so I looked it up, wanting to see where it fits on Reiner's creative timeline.

Yancey Ward said...

Aggie, it marks the point where his output as a director started a steep decline or, perhaps more accurately, his choice of projects started a steep decline. I have seen almost all the movies he directed after "A Few Good Men" and none of those are particularly good to me- none of which I would ever watch again or even recommend someone else watch.

Mary Beth said...

Speaking of entitled, how does a man in such bad condition get to attend Conan O'Brien's Christmas party?

According to "The Hollywood Reporter", the Reiner parents were invited and asked to bring their son along because, "His behavior, which had often been extreme and stressful, had grown degrees even more concerning in recent weeks. They were reluctant to leave him home alone, in the guesthouse of their Brentwood home, where he was currently living under their watchful supervision."

Eva Marie said...

Foreshadowing. Nick was 1 year old and already Rob Reiner knew he was never gonna please the kid.

narciso said...

With bruce willis that was a stinker

Yancey Ward said...

And to clarify- the movies from 1992 on are all pretty well put together it is just that the scripts are no where near the quality of the ones from the period 1984-1992. My favorites of the later movies are "The Story of Us" and "And So It Goes" but I have no desire to see them again.

gilbar said...

the secret secret about Rob Reiner, is:
EVERY THING about him that was funny (or fun), was because it was dumb.
meathead? dumb. Thought he was smart but he was dumb.
Spinal Tap? ENTIRE CONCEPT is dumb.. That is what we were laughing at
Princess Bride? Inconceivable!

We laugh AT Rob Reiner because he (acts like he) thinks he's smart; but EVERY Thing about his movies was idiotic.

narciso said...

That was really william goldmans work

RCOCEAN II said...

I didn't see alot of comedy in the trailer, and that's always a bad sign. Reiner had a weird career as a producer/director. Started in 84 with "Spinal Tap", then made a string of hits ending with "A few Good men" in 1992. He kept on producing/Directing films every couple years until he died. However, they all were medicore, if not right down horrible.

If you go to Wikipedia you'll some of the films not only bombed they got 50,000 dollars back on a $2 million budget. "North" isn't the only stinker he made.

FormerLawClerk said...

Casting Jason Alexander as George Costanza, bra salesman ... er, rather pants salesman ... I mean, that's just brilliant. Nobody could ever think of that.

Reiner in North did what he always does ... steals better, funnier people's ideas and then massively fails with them.

His own son North'd him.

Peachy said...

RIP meathead. You did not deserve to be slaughtered by your own son. It's all very sad.

Eva Marie said...

Rob Reiner should have read some Agatha Christie mysteries. If there’s one thing that Christie teaches you is that the most dangerous people you’ll ever meet are in your own family.

Peachy said...

North - a movie i forgot and have never watched. That will not change.

Peachy said...

everyone creates a stinker now and then. Reiner's work is still high quality. The Princess Bride alone. come on. Stand by me. Right on. so many. I'm not a movie buff at all.

FormerLawClerk said...

"Speaking of entitled, how does a man in such bad condition get to attend Conan O'Brien's Christmas party ..."

He didn't "get to attend." He wasn't invited. He was brought there uninvited by his idiot, entitled parents who then made asses of themselves while their son ruined a Christmas party for everyone else and now has left them with horrible memories of the holiday season that they'll have to remember for the rest of their lives.

Rob Reiner was a horrible father. He imposed his junkie kid on everybody around him and they're probably relieved that the entire family is out of their lives now.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

RCOCEAN II said...

Reiner's career is also a study in the importance of "connections". His first film was financed by Norman Lear, and Lear also gave him the $$ to finish "Stand by Me" when no one else would. In fact, Lear was a close friend of Carl Reiner's, they went to the same Synagogue, and when he wanted to cast "Meathead", he saw Rob was the right age and cast him.

Like most producers/directors Reiner had a hand in editing and re-writting parts of the script, but he doesn't seem to have added much comedy. I can't find an instance where anyone said, "Wow, I cant believe that funny revision Rob made".

mikee said...

The sudden and horrific passing of a former TV celebrity and movie maker deserves note of how that person is recalled otherwise. I, for one, will cherish the argument Meathead had with Archie Bunker about shoes and socks, and how to put them on. Meathead made a very sensible argument that sock+shoe, and then sock+shoe, is better than sock+sock, then shoe+shoe (Archie's process). If in an emergency you have only time for 2 of the 4, a sock and a shoe on one foot beats two socks, especially in wet snowy cold winter weather. And my second favorite memory of Reiner is as a character on South Park, where he advocated murder of children to get them to stop tobacco use. Perfect satire of leftist operational behavior, that was, and caught the essence of Reiner's idiotic leftism.

RCOCEAN II said...

Most of the Jokes in "Princess Bride" were already there in Goldman's novel. And Goldman worked on the screenplay too. All credit to Reiner for direction and casting, but if it was funny, he was only partly responsible.

Earnest Prole said...

Roger Ebert is the guy who famously liked Dances with Wolves far better than Godfather Part 2 so I wouldn’t take his word on anything.

narciso said...

Oh atand by me thanks for that one

RCOCEAN II said...

If a few Good men was remade today, you'd have a Sassy Black Lesbian in place of Tom Cruise, and the Colonel would be played by Stephen Colbert or Bryan Cranston.

X. P. Callahan said...

FIFY:

. . . it's not as though it contains the answer to the question why the the former kid, Nick Reiner, found his own parents so objectionable that he allegedly knifed them to death.

tim maguire said...

I don't think it's important that Reiner made a lot of crap. Most art isn't very good. He made a lot of great movies for us to enjoy and it's easy to forget about the ones that weren't great.

Who he was as a person is a separate issue that doesn't interest me very much.

tommyesq said...

Re his directing career, Spinal Tap is a hard one to know how much to credit Reiner. The movie is basically entirely improvised by the cast, which would seem to limit his directorial decision-making (other than editing); on the other hand, that he would put it together and allow it to be completely improvised was inspired, and created a whole new genre.

Gunner said...

It was a stupid, escapist kids movie. Now it would be considered too intellectual for kids.

Gunner said...

"Don't know if true, but one source said Nick was going up to guests and asking them their name, and then asking if they were famous. Pissed off RR, and ultimately he was kicked out."

LOL Sounds like a Youtube video idea.

Wince said...

This Reiner story seems to be following a familiar pattern with this Althouse post. Trump says something "outrageous" early and off-the-cuff, followed by widespread opprobrium and outrage in reaction.

Then, as days pass, essential elements of what Trump said -- however inappropriate, unnecessary and perhaps even hurtful under the circumstances -- do come into relief as essentially true.

It's not clear that Trump's original allusion in his first Truth post -- omitted in his second -- that RR's TDS contributed to NR's crime can be supported, but it does leave one wondering whether Trump got some inside information from Conan's party.

Leland said...

Related to Wince's observation above; I'm noting how comfortable everyone now feels to discuss exactly what responsibility, if any, that Rob Reiner had in how his son turned out. It is as if Trump was an ass for noting it first, but now that it is out there, it is ok to keep talking about it.

Also, I had the same thought yesterday about "whether Trump got some inside information from Conan's party."

Eva Marie said...

Sorry, I don’t buy into the notion that a director who faithfully follows a written script or stays true to an author’s material isn’t adding anything creative to the process. I’m not fond of directors who buy the rights to a great book, then decide they’re funnier or smarter than the author and rewrite the best parts just to satisfy their own ego.
Directors make thousands of decisions - from casting and pacing to tone and visuals - and they absolutely deserve credit (or blame) for a film’s success or failure.
I especially appreciated that Rob Reiner never injected his political beliefs into his movies. There are no snide references to Republicans or partisan jabs. His films were pure entertainment, and so many of them were genuinely enjoyable.
He was also an excellent actor and, remarkably, a true working professional who kept showing up even though he never had to.
RIP.

FormerLawClerk said...

You know who brings a junkie to a Christmas Party? People who only ever are thinking about THEMSELVES.

They couldn't leave their junkie at home, because he'd do more drugs, so instead, they imposed the junkie they enabled to be a junkie all their lives to piss all over everybody else's good times.

Because Rob Reiner and his hideous wife only ever thought about THEMSELVES.

Thank God we're rid of them, and maybe now Nick will get the substance abuse treatment that Rob Reiner was too busy to provide.

Breezy said...

Gutfeld made the comment, paraphrasing, that drug addicts are essentially the drug walking around in human form. Their existence is solely to get more of the drug by any means necessary: lying, cheating, fighting, killing. It’s an interesting take. You’re not dealing with the person you think you know, even when they’re sober, presumably.

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Lem Vibe Bandit said...

I wouldn’t watch anything Sisley and Ebert gave thumbs down.

tommyesq said...

According to "The Hollywood Reporter", the Reiner parents were invited and asked to bring their son along because, "His behavior, which had often been extreme and stressful, had grown degrees even more concerning in recent weeks. They were reluctant to leave him home alone, in the guesthouse of their Brentwood home, where he was currently living under their watchful supervision."

The notion that one's son is unstable and erratic and that means not that I should stay at home and keep an eye on him, but instead means that I should subject him on a holiday party host and his guests does seem to say something negative about his character.

Wince said...

Pure supposition here: Would it surprise anyone to learn that an addled Nick Reiner -- indeed unfairly and speciously -- closed his public argument with his father at Conan's party with a hurtful go-to line like "you care more about hating Trump than you do about loving me"?

jim5301 said...

FormerLawClerk- you are such a piece of shit. You want to blame the parents for the son’s problems and you know absolutely nothing about the situation. Hideous wife. Really? Not sure I mentioned this before but you are a piece of shit.

I would suggest you stop playing psychologist and go back to the law but we all know how bad you are at that.

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gspencer said...

It's obviously accurate to say that on Sunday Nick's setting was at 11.

William said...

Slightly off track comment: I think Roger Ebert's criticism has held up much better than Pauline Kael's or, anyway, his response to most movies mirrors my own.........Reiner was talented. That many good movies doesn't just happen by accident. But my he lost his fastball. That many clunkers doesn't happen by accident either......By all accounts, he was a decent enough person, but his efforts to make Trump the locus of all Misery in America is suspect. His Misery was caused more by a string of flops and a demonic son than by Trump, but it's so much more satisfying and therapeutic to blame Trump than your own son and creative choices.

baghdadbob said...

The "North" trailer shows young North in Paris with a TV remote. As he goes around the dial, each channel is broadcasting a Jerry Lewis film. I chuckled.

Lazarus said...

Ebert seemed to me to be too much in Hollywood's pocket. He'd denounce the low-hanging fruit but wouldn't usually complain about commercially viable but disappointing movies with established stars. But I guess most movie reviewers are like that. Like poetry reviewers, they don't want to kill the industry. Poetry reviewers don't get the big perks and junkets, though.

Reiner's career tracked with Ron Howard's. Both TV children, midwit or middlebrow, capable of turning out big studio pictures, bald. Howard had more range though. He took on a wider variety of subjects and was better able to handle different genres and the occasional serious picture.

Ann Althouse said...

"he "North" trailer shows young North in Paris with a TV remote. As he goes around the dial, each channel is broadcasting a Jerry Lewis film. I chuckled."

This suggests another entry for the modern Dictionary of Received Ideas: The French — They love Jerry Lewis.

Ralph L said...

Wasn't a daughter living at their home, too, the one that found them?
Is it coincidence that Reiner's success plummeted about the time Nick was born?

Ann Althouse said...

"Pure supposition here: Would it surprise anyone to learn that an addled Nick Reiner -- indeed unfairly and speciously -- closed his public argument with his father at Conan's party with a hurtful go-to line like "you care more about hating Trump than you do about loving me"?"

The way Trump wrote his first reaction to the murder makes it seem as though he did have a source for the assertion that Rob Reiner had Trump derangement syndrome and that had ruined his son somehow. When you add to that the knowledge that many high-level entertainment people were present when he mouthed off nuttily right before the murder, it seems even more likely that specific statements made their way to Trump and that he can substantiate his assertions.

jim5301 said...

So if his assertions can be substantiated, that means what exactly? That his tweet wasn’t so bad after all?

RCOCEAN II said...

If the jokes aren't funny your "Comedy Film" wont be a success. So it all gets back to the script. That's the basis for everything. Next, you need the right performers. So, Casting is critical. Direction? You just need someone who wont screw things up.

If you look at the casting in Reiner's hit movies its obvious choices. Not much thinking has to go into casting stars like Nicholson or Tom Cruise in "A Few Good men". Or Meg Ryan and Crystal in "Harry met Sally".

You can give Reiner points for casting "Stand by me" since it was all unknowns.

Achilles said...

Peachy said...
RIP meathead. You did not deserve to be slaughtered by your own son. It's all very sad.

Deserve has nothing to do with it.

Why did Nick Reiner kill his parents? There was 34 years of life that went into that action. What was the most influential and consistent source of direction during those 34 years?

effinayright said...

A bit off-topic, but.....I could swear I saw Rob Reiner as in extra in Landman. Season 2, Episode 1. Two shots show him as an attendee in a luncheon meeting for oil executives. Ya can't miss that white beard!

Megthered said...

Why would you take your unstable, junkie son to anyone's Christmas party. Why not stay home and keep him and everyone safe. Conan was lucky Nick didnt grab a knife from the kitchen and start stabbing his guests. The Reiners were selfish, stupid people. Hope Satan is laughing at his jokes.

effinayright said...

RCOCEAN II said:
"If you look at the casting in Reiner's hit movies its obvious choices. Not much thinking has to go into casting stars like Nicholson or Tom Cruise in "A Few Good men". Or Meg Ryan and Crystal in "Harry met Sally"."
********************
You're forgetting that---aside from Crystal---those were A-list stars. THEY chose Reiner as much as he *hoped* they would do his movies.

john mosby said...

Reiner knew from tough reviews:

“Shark Sandwich” - shit sandwich.

Cc, JSM

Arashi said...

So from what I have read online, Nick liked to do a lot of meth. Doing a lot of meth will rot the brain, at least according to the head of the Pharmacology Department of the University of Washington back in the '70s. He was talking about his experiences volunteering at the Free Clinic in Haight Ashbury and opined that the only addicts that truly scared the hell out of him were meth addicts as the long term use of meth actually destroyed parts of the brain and made the addict very, very unpredictable. So Nick should have most likely been committed to a proper medical facility and not out wandering about in public.

Eva Marie said...

1. How many of the family members are thinking of writing tell all books? How many offers is Nick fielding?
My advice: get out a book now so when the inevitable movie comes out, the producers have to pay you royalties.
2. The movie just might save movie theaters for a little while longer.

J Scott said...

Rob Reiner's work was schmaltz. You don't need to explain it any other way. Except for a few good men, but that's probably because Aaron Sorkin wrote it and it was a legal procedural/play.

Bill Peschel said...

One story about Princess Bride says that the first few takes with Billy Crystal stuck to the script until Reiner leaned over and whispered in his ear "ignore the lines." Crystal's improves were so funny they had to banish most of the crew -- and eventually Reiner -- because they couldn't stop laughing. So that's a plus in his favor, to recognize when to take advantage of serendipity.

Another thought: Back in the day, the bad sheep of the family was shipped off to Australia or Africa and told to stay there. So long as they did, the monthly checks would come in and they could do as they please. They were called "remittance men."

BarrySanders20 said...

Mel Brooks would have rejected the premise of that movie as as "Too Jewish."

n.n said...

We need reasonable blade control.

FullMoon said...

Fun how we who scoff at those "blame the parents for childs bad behavior" have kinda switched attitude in this case.
Of course, if Rob was going on and on and on in the mentally ill, drugged out , angry son's face about Trump that night..may have contributed.

FullMoon said...

Did the son take ritalin as a child? That might explain meth attraction. got him hooked early.

Luke Lea said...

A potential cult movie?

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