"Dietrich’s sexual adventures were the stuff of legend — from Gen. George S. Patton to Colette to Adlai Stevenson — with a cast that expanded through the decades.... John Wayne, with whom Dietrich starred in three films in the early 1940s, was an outlier, seemingly impervious to her charms. Years later, he told Ms. Riva, who asked him why he didn’t succumb: 'Never liked being part of a stable.'... Despite all the action, Dietrich was not a fan of the act itself. At least not with men. She preferred fellatio, or, better, impotent men. 'They are nice,' she told her daughter. 'You can sleep and it’s cozy.'"
November 3, 2025
"She grew skilled at caring for her mother’s costumes and props, at stamping her autograph on publicity photos, and at staying quiet on set."
"Dietrich’s costume designer made her a special uniform and gave her a title: 'attendant to Miss Marlene.' For years, she thought 'Maria Daughter of Marlene Dietrich' was her proper name; she was also never quite sure of her age, which changed as often as that of her mother, who regularly shaved off the years.... 'Dietrich was the queen.... My father was her major-domo, her lovers were her suitors, and I was the lady in waiting. I didn’t think it was strange; I had nothing to compare it to.' No school meant no companions her own age.... When she was about 12, she had her first encounter with actual children, an invitation to Judy Garland’s birthday party. She was terrified: What did real children do together? She and Judy huddled on the porch and bonded over their strange, caged existence...."

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This is what feminism believes motherhood should be.
John Wayne, "Never liked being part of a stable."
Classic.
Just read the fucking book, ann.
She got molested nightly by the dyke her mother hired to care for her. Excerpt that. Your anti-queer readers will eat that up... or wish they could have!
She didn't like sex but tried to have sex with everyone.
OK.
No feminism chooses abortion.
Plenty of abortions in early hollywood... plenty of Jews running things. Read the books?
..."Despite all the action, Dietrich was not a fan of the act itself...."
Yes, but that was before Sheriff Bart came to town.
She did eventually get free of her mother, go to school, marry, and had four children and quite a number of grandchildren.
The Blue Angel was released in 1930, when Dietrich was about 20. That puts her maternity of Maria Riva when she was about 15. Definitely possible, but there’s no trace of Dietrich hauling a 4-year-old around when Josef von Sternberg was making that landmark movie.
Former Notre Dame football player was referred to as, "Kevin Hart, son of Leon Hart." Leon Hart won the Heisman.
They kept The Child hidden.
Her father Seiber and his mistress had more to do with her then. Read the book people. There are PICTURES. Read anything Scott Eyman wrote about early Hollywood. It was run by Jews, and it was a dirty filthy place. Plenty of abortions, you'll eat it up.
There's likely a books on tape for "readers" like ann too, who can't read without sounding out the words...
Go to the primary sources, people. Never depend on a tenured prof to do your thinking for you. She's cheating you, and boy oh boy, does Ms Carrot Sticks and Onion rings get things wrong... Remember the Nig sighting in the good night pajamas? Remember just yesterday, when she used his misinterpretation to rip on two more accomplished women's looks...
ann althouse is what a dumb person thinks a smart person is. Buy the book and support her husband's hobbies through her amazon account... Don't make the pretty girl get on her knees and beg you to pay her to eat an egg salad sandwich again. We give them healthy pensions, and still they whore themselves.... Damn Madison values.
There are just some professions which attract the sexually deviant. Hollywood stars and public school teachers come to mind.
"The Blue Angel was released in 1930, when Dietrich was about 20."
In 1930, Marlene would have been 28-29 years old. She was born in 1901.
Leon Hart won the Heisman.
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Yeah but did he fuck Marlene?
Stay on topic, closeted sports dude...
How them Jesuits hanging?
It’s said Dietrich had a torrid affair with Major General James M. Gavin, C.O. of the 82nd Airborne Division commencing sometime between June and December, 1944. It is further alleged Gavin made some tactical mistakes commanding his assignment in Operation Market Garden, mistakes that could have contributed to that plan’s failure, caused by distractions of a non-military nature.
Not according to Dietrich.
Marlene was a rather busy person. Wouldn't be surprised to learn that she had developed calluses.
@ Quaestor ...
check your math sign
Born Marie Magdalene Dietrich 27 December 1901
I have no information about her childhood, and no reason to doubt her, but in general, if you were the child of someone famous like Dietrich, and you had a great childhood free of issues, how hard would it be for you to garner some spotlight and a few million bucks to write a book about how horrible it could have been, especially if most of the people lied about in it were all dead?
"She didn't like sex but tried to have sex with everyone."
I agree that's basically what the linked article asserts so the question is what makes sense of the seeming contradiction? I see 2 possible routes to reconciling the inconsistency:
1. Marlene didn't tell Maria the truth about herself, perhaps because she was protecting the girl's innocence or because she hoped to steer her child into a more conventional life of sedate marriage and motherhood devoid of sexual adventure.
2. Marlene didn't like "the act," i.e., intercourse, but she liked a dominant role over men, scored by the number of high level conquests — famous and beautiful men. She had more of the stereotypically male orientation and didn't want the female role in "the act." So there was something she liked very much and it was consistent with "trying to have sex with everyone."
My speculation isn't based on actual knowledge. I did watch the old Maximillian Schell documentary "Marlene" when it came out — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlene_(1984_film)
A cool documentary if you like documentaries about a person who purports to want to have a documentary made and then obstructs the effort.
A masterpiece from Aggie at 8:12 AM.
Dietrich was famous for lying about her age by shaving off years from it.
What was her most famous line? "I want to be alone."
ChrisSchuon said...
What was her most famous line? "I want to be alone."
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That was Garbo, dumbfuck
2. Marlene didn't like "the act," i.e., intercourse, but she liked a dominant role over men, scored by the number of high level conquests
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She was on her knees sucking their dicks, ann.
Do you ladies really think that makes you dominant or masculine?
She liked collecting scalps, and fucking her way to the top. Read the fucking book and stop speculating...
INTERESTING trivia:
You know she created the name Marlene, right? From Mary Magdalena... she gave us the monikeer Marlene.
You bitches on your knees sucking Jewboys to advance yourselves would not understand her independence. Fuck you annie. Go swallow an egg salad and give the boys a show. lol
I agree with Eric -- Aggie wins the thread at 8:12 a.m.
This is like a toilet cesspool of character assassination with the former tenured prof stirring the shit in the toilet to promote discussion... Fucking sad. What a way to earn pay in your golden years ann. That makes you a cheaper whore than if you had just signed up with OnlyFans and whored yourself out like an honest commoner...
Heh
“ It is further alleged Gavin made some tactical mistakes commanding his assignment in Operation Market Garden”
But then, who did not.
Yes, but that was before Sheriff Bart came to town..
It’s twue! He was … gifted.
- Krumhorn
I understand that of all the Mommy Dearest bios, hers is the most critically acclaimed. Beyond that, she lived to be one hundred years, had a successful marriage, and apparently raised some healthy children. Marlene must have done something right or at least passed on some pretty fierce genes. Her daughter was no Hunter Biden.
fixed
I'm skeptical of what a mother tells her daughter about her sex life. Would it have made her look better in her daughter's eyes to say "boy, I couldnt get enough dick"?
OTOH, it makes sense that if you're a woman having sex with a "stable of men" youd prefer blowjobs. No chance of pregnancy. And a lower chance of VD.
I skimmed through a bio of Marlene, and the only thing that stuck in my mind is that she danced with Fleming, the inventor of the pencillian(sic ), and she was shocked at this great man of science was so nervous at meeting with a mere actress. She wanted to thank him, because she got very ill in France 1944 and a pencillian shot saved her life.
THese celebrity bios by sons/daughters used to be popular. Mommy dearest and Gary Crosby's bio of Bing come to mind. Not too sure how much of either book is true. Trashing them, certainly drove up sales.
"She didn't like sex but tried to have sex with everyone."
I don't think that is unusual, indeed, it is rather common. I've known women like that.
ChrisSchuon said...
What was her most famous line? "I want to be alone."
Not Dietrich, it was Greta Garbo in Grand Hotel.
Showbiz people are some of the worst among us. What a sewer. So glad I saved my daughter from that world when stupid women were saying she was "so pretty, she should be in movies!" Yeah, no. Over my dead body.
Quaestor wrote: "It is further alleged Gavin made some tactical mistakes commanding his assignment in Operation Market Garden, mistakes that could have contributed to that plan’s failure, caused by distractions of a non-military nature."
Market/Garden was a dog's breakfast from the start. Bernard Law Montgomery is due ten kicks in the ass before you start blaming anything on Marlene Dietrich.
Speaking of the progeny of the famous, when I was visiting Bastogne last year we exited one of the museums and were approached by a woman about our age who introduced herself as Patton's granddaughter, and would we like to pose with her for a picture?
She spoke prefect American, didn't look like she slept on a park bench, and had business cards, but I just ignored her while two of my friends took her up on the photo opp. She did not ask for money.
One of them looked her up later on the Intertubes and yep, she actually was Patton's granddaughter. Apparently hangs out there a lot.
"Marlene Dietrich's only daughter, Maria Riva, wrote a memoir-style biography titled Marlene Dietrich (published in 1992, shortly after Dietrich's death)"
Libel law is "you can't libel the dead", so the fact that she waited to publish until after mom was dead makes me doubt what she wrote
Marlene Dietrich - Where Have All The Flowers Gone (live) - 12 October 1963 • World of Jazz
https://youtu.be/S2m85l6ksbU?si=6uW0bXwA0q6Zk9mj
That preference for fellatio reminds me of the call of the co'ner-hos of Memphis from decades ago:
Suck o' fuck, twenny-foady.
Gavin was the ex-general who endorsed McGovern in 1972. There was a little talk that he might be McGovern's VP pick that year.
Schell's documentary about Dietrich. I think that was the one were they put up a sheet so she couldn't be seen as Schell interviewed her. I always liked Maximillian Schell, but he's been posthumously #MeToo'ed.
"Just a Gigolo," Dietrich's last acting job, filmed with David Bowie, was one of the weirdest movies of the 70s, along with Bowie's "The Man Who Fell to Earth." Kim Novak, Curd Jurgens, David Hemmings and Maria Schell were also in it. It ought to be a cult favorite now, though it's a very bad movie.
Actually anthony blunt leaked the pland to the Germans
Where family is concerned, it's natural that tell-all books would be published after the subject's death. While they're alive, you've got to live with them, or at least see them at holidays. It was the same way with the accusations against Schell.
The plan was still terribly designed from the drop zones to the narrow supply lines
I saw that documentary. She said her mother was a great star, but she withheld judgement of her as a mother.
Marlene famously hid herself in old age to avoid sullying her glamorous past.
Growing up, people compared me to Steve Landesberg's character Dietrich on Barney Miller.
Has Deborah Frisch logged in here?
And just like that, she's gone.
Keine Drahtkleiderbügel!
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