Said Joe Rogan, on his recent podcast with Adam Carolla.
Carolla: "Where's the anger over finding out that it was made in China at a lab... and then where's the anger over being forced or being vaxxed or all this misinformation being used?... I realized they don't want to say anything 'cause they're ashamed because they were the ones who bought it and enforced it and got really militant about it and started screaming at anyone who suggested it came from a lab or suggested the shot wasn't good or gonna work or spread or natural immunity. They went after everyone's so hard that now it's a lesson in embarrassment and humiliation for them to go, oh, mea culpa.... I think the people that were a little more neutral about it can definitely process it. Everyone else is sort of reporting that they're idiots if they do this and they're gullible. And it also leaves them vulnerable for the next one. Meaning, if you go, Hey man, I was a hundred percent wrong about all things COVID. I thought it came from a pangolin and a wet market. I thought getting triple vaxxed would save the day. I thought Ivermectin was the horse paste or whatever. Like, I went all in and I was 100% wrong. If you do that, well eventually there's going to be another thing that comes along. And it doesn't have to be a pandemic, it can just be, whatever — climate change. And then you go, Well, you know how wrong you were about everything, covid? Perhaps you are wrong about climate change or this next thing or who you voted for. And they don't want open that window."
So what was the "lesson in embarrassment and humiliation"? I see at least 2: 1. Be more skeptical next time so you're not embarrassed and humiliated again, and 2. Don't cry out about the deceptions and manipulations of the past because you'll only advertise you are an untrustworthy dupe.
Those are not completely incompatible messages. Those who were embarrassed and humiliated could keep quiet about their own past mistakes — being too gullible and deferential to seeming authority — but also resolve not to repeat the mistake.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 206 of 206Achilles, I know the talking points about India and Japan, but the “Ivermectin saved them” story just doesn’t line up with what actually happened.
In India, a few districts tried Ivermectin early on, but their national health authorities later dropped it because their own data showed no benefit. And those districts also implemented masks, lockdowns, seasonal timing, and massive vaccination drives — while the country was severely undercounting deaths. If Ivermectin were the game-changer, the results would have shown up consistently across regions and in controlled trials. They didn’t.
In Japan, the claim that they “handed out Ivermectin like candy” is simply untrue. Japan never adopted it in their national COVID protocol. Their low death rate is universally attributed to early mask culture, strict border controls, high vaccination rates for the elderly, strong contact tracing, and a public that actually complied. Not Ivermectin.
On the “horse dewormer” point — that criticism was aimed at people dosing themselves with the livestock version because they couldn’t get prescriptions. ERs really did report cases like that. No one was mocking people for taking legitimately prescribed medicine.
For me, this isn’t academic. I lost five people I knew personally, and I saw the freezer trucks and overflow wards with my own eyes. Whatever debates people had, the suffering was real.
The part I push back on is the rewriting of the pandemic into a simple morality play where masks didn’t matter, vaccines didn’t matter, and Ivermectin was the silver bullet that was somehow ignored worldwide. That story just doesn’t survive contact with the actual evidence.
We went through something complicated, frightening, and fast-moving. Not everything turned out perfect, but we don’t have to retro-fit it into a conspiracy for it to make sense.
Peachy, I can only go with what YOU YOURSELF said today about being male. Now you’re recanting? Why, it’s ok if you’re a gay man, sheesh. But if you’re now saying you’re back to being female, I’ll take you at your word. But you do sound a bit confused.
Ronald J. Ward said...
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For me, this isn’t academic. I lost five people I knew personally, and I saw the freezer trucks and overflow wards with my own eyes.
Yeah, OK. I saw the freezer truck too. Parked outside the boiler plant I worked in at a VA facility. That sat there empty for over 3 years before they finally got rid of it.
Ivermectin? I had my supply from an overseas mail order pharmacy when I got my second case of covid, when the version that was reportedly as infectious as measles was going around. Got if from a 30 year old twice vaxxed fellow Scout leader who had no symptoms. The day after the meeting he called me saying he had the dreaded covid. The day after that I had symptoms. The day after that- my wife did. (Symptomless spread only occurred from the vaxxed.) I started the I-CARE protocol when I first developed symptoms, most of it anyway, at was then the Front Line Critical Care Alliance. Started my wife that day- the day before she had symptoms. We were done with all symptoms the day before my much younger friend was- we were both over 60. So his following the doctor's orders in the Dictatorship of New York under Emperor Hochul, which consisted of "Do nothing and go the the ER if it gets bad." his symptoms were more severe (yes, we compared notes) and of longer duration. We're both still unvaxxed.
Why, unlike >90% of the over 60 population did we refuse the vax? Easy- as pointed out, the Diamond Princess and USS Theodore Roosevelt debacle showed it wasn't much of a problem to the healthy, even us senior citizens, especially those already supplementing with Vitamin D who knew their blood level was near the optimum 50 ng/ml, as ours were.
And as my wife pointed out in an earlier discussion today, the vaxx was never properly tested. Not enough time. Further, it now seems the data was fudged (IOW- they lied) to show it was both safe, it wasn't, and effective, it wasn't. And as pointed out by real doctors, if you give a leaky vaccine that doesn't actually protect, it drives the creation of variants. Which it did.
On another related note, we also both stopped our yearly flu shots. They are effective- but only against the strain of influenza in them. And now it seems population studies indicate that about half the people develop a flu like illness with 10 days of getting the flu vaccine. My youngest got his last Wednesday, was sick by Friday evening when he got home, and miserable all weekend. He asked if I thought the covid shot had anything to do with it. Of course it did- it also demonstrably weakens the immune system. He said he knew I was going to say it did... My wife and I would have what he had by now if we were going to get it.
And people like my wife and I will never be forgiven for being correct on this issue. Nor will anyone else. No one likes to admit they were too trusting or just plain wrong.
jim said...
""made in China at a lab" seems to be an accepted fact around here.
While I suppose it's possible, I am unaware of any proof of this assertion. You can say that obviously the chinese would cover this up very efficiently: one could also assert that this theory is popular because of it's political convenience."
Because the virus has 96% of the same precursors as the sample we gave the Wuhan lab.
America is Chinas avowed enemy.
Everything China makes or builds is crap.
The odds are very great that the virus got out of the lab due to incompetency. The Chinese are incompetent. And arrogant.
It still did not justify shutting down private businesses.
Also, unprecedented vaccine mandates were established.
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