From "In reversal, Coast Guard again classifies swastikas, nooses as hate symbols/The new order came hours after The Post reported the service would instead classify such symbols as 'potentially divisive' under guidelines set for release next month" (WaPo).
Interesting. I note that Trump was asked about the policy at his press conference — the one with Mamdani — yesterday, and Trump said he didn't know about it:
Reporter: "There was this explosive report that the Coast Guard is no longer going to characterize swastikas and nooses as hate symbols. DHS called that a lie and fake news. Can you clear up?"
Trump: "I don't know anything about it. When when was this written?"
Reporter: "I think yesterday.
Trump: "Well, look, the Coast Guard's an incredible group of people. I know them very well. We just ordered a lot of new Coast Guard cutters. Beautiful. The most magnificent ship. They look like yachts with lots of guns on them. Uh, so I don't know. I haven't seen any report like that. But certainly we want them to remain a great force and they are."
Whether he knew about the new policy or not before that little colloquy, it got publicly aired yesterday, and it quickly changed.
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What evidence supported the original claim?
Unfortunately for the country, as things continue to disintegrate in Trump world, the chaos in our government will only get worse.
I think I read on X a couple of days ago (? I'm suffering time dilation) that it was being reported that the USCG did not (ever? Or newly?) prohibit these symbols - reporting that was immediately countered by the USCG as baseless rumor, and reaffirmed that these symbols had long been prohibited But I am very bad at finding things that I once read on X, so I cannot confirm.
Just gonna ask - how likely is it that a Trump-eta military organization would say, "We're provisionally ok with swastikas, but don't go crazy with them because they're 'potentially divisive'"? At least, in any context other than the fevered imaginings of the left, or possibly in a case of undermining from the inside?
Changed, or clarified? The WaPo is not an accurate source of news.
Bill Glahn of Powerline has the number of this sort of media-generated nonsense:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/11/the-epstein-iterations.php
It is also now totally clear that Putin has been extorting Neville Chamberlain Trump for all of these years. Putin is now trying to cash in all of his chips before Neville Chamberlain Trump still has some power to do damage.
This is bad news for the Jussie smolettes of the world.
"It is also now totally clear that Putin has been extorting Neville Chamberlain Trump...."
Poor deranged OCD sufferers. One minute he's Hitler, the next he's Chamberlain. Hope you remembered to click the 'auto-ship' button for your online order of Preparation H.
Of course the president doesn't know about every policy and issue in the federal government. Trump doesn't say that, but goes in a different direction.
Everyone in the Coast Guard is happy about being called "an incredible group of people."
The rest of us are thinking that we would sure like to see one of them new cutters. A magnificent yacht with lots of guns sounds pretty nice.
"as things continue to disintegrate"
https://youtu.be/42822uWT9Zk?t=25
Trump: What's important is that we have incredible people serving and that we get them what they need to do the difficult, sometimes dangerous job we ask them to do.
Dems: What's important is symbol classification...
What are we talking about? Tattoos? Like Platner's Nazi skull?
Dagwood
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There was this explosive report
…so is this a regular ordinance update or did the file folder the report was in spontaneously erupt?
Has Kak changed his profile back to Once?
There was probably some language in the regulations about symbology "prejudicial to good order", bug hot calling it these symbols directly.
In any case, they corrected the record this morning.
The noose used to be the symbol of old western justice and cruelty towards African Slaves...
Now it's just a leftwing virtue signal for a fake crime.
Autocorrect on this tablet stinks.
I don’t know if the story is true but I’ll take the contrary position. Not all nooses are hate symbols. Sometimes they’re used as garage door pulls, props in movies or executions, etc. It’s a very useful knot.
A swastika, as I understand it and I could be wrong, is either a religious or cultural symbol to Hindus for good luck (or something positive anyway). Would banning the swastika be discrimination against Indians?
Maybe if those items are classified as hate symbols, innocent people get bounced for no good reason on a zero tolerance policy.
Hitler's 3rd Reich ruined the Swastika symbol. That's just the way it is.
anyway - symbols are very important to the collective left.
Especially sexual and gender symbols plastered in your 1st-6th grade classrooms.
Added to say Peachy makes an excellent point. I too remember when the noose, gripped in the hand of a black person, was a symbol of black power and resistance to white supremacy. How far the libs have fallen.
Maybe Graham Platner is applying for a Coast Guard gig as a back up plan. And they want to help him serve.
Platner served in the Marines and the Army. Should he be dishonorably discharged retroactively?
Finally - the proof needed for the corrupt left to impeach Trump.
Is Graham Platner facing "furious backlash" or mild disapproval? Maybe people with Nazi tattoos ought not to be in the U.S. Senate.
The wapo had to lie about the coast guard because the Democrat from Maine had a nazi tattoo, the kids from wapo always wanted to be in the cia. Disgraceful.
A lie travels halfway around the world while truth is lacing its' boots.
Limiting the number of rope knots available to sailing men is misguided.
It's good to have official hate symbols in case you want to hate somebody.
Next month Inga will be telling us that Trump wanted swastikas painted on all Coast Guard ships but was talked out of it...
Swastikas are hate symbols, unless used for historical purposes. Nooses are pieces of rope tied in a knot that can be useful when you need to hold something in place.
This whole business of cordoning things off as "hate" is reminiscent of the absurdity invoked by the "you said Yahweh" stoning scenes in Life of Brian.
I rarely have a use for a noose, but doodling swastikas can calm the mind.
Once written, twice... said...
It is also now totally clear that Putin has been extorting Neville Chamberlain Trump for all of these years. Putin is now trying to cash in all of his chips before Neville Chamberlain Trump still has some power to do damage.
I love to see Democrats live out their Dick Cheney fantasies.
The is a really cool historic hotel in Mountainair New Mexico that is absolutely plastered with swastikas. Of course it predates Hitler's rise...
https://cityofdust.blogspot.com/2012/01/shaffer-hotel-mountainair-new-mexico.html
The left continues its attempts to show that Trump is a fascist autocrat even as he meets with an acknowledged socialist and talks of their common interest in helping New York City. The left is using its media command to babble-on about pictures while Trump continues develop effective policies.
And talking to Mamdani is effective policy. Mamdani boiled the economic crisis (which exists outside NYC) down to the word "affordability" and proposed pie-in-the sky "solutions." But it is short-sighted to only look at the "solutions." Socialists are generally pretty good at pointing out problems - which they do not fear to do because their ideology tells them there are easy solutions. And their opposition sometimes makes the mistake of ignoring the problems socialists are raging on about because the socialist solutions are so fantastic and dissociated from reality. Trump avoided this trap, associating himself with the effort to alleviate the problem but not with any specifics. Rent control was morphed into the need for more housing and Trump the builder was offering to help there. And why not?
Big government became unaffordable because too much was centralized and because waste, fraud and abuse drained money from good programs. Trump, by decentralizing cutting waste, fraud and abuse is making important programs affordable again. Mamdani would be well-advised to similarly attack over-centralization and waste and fraud in NYC programs. I doubt if he will - centralized corruption is what allures the average socialist politician and leads them to ignore the promotion of universal incompetence in place of real change.
The most common of Trump's lies is "I don't know anything about it." It really means "I won't answer the question because I haven't dreamed up a stupid answer yet."
Unfortunately, Don's smart Uncle John, the electrical engineer from MIT, never served in the Coast Guard and never talked to our fascist president about swastikas,
To my certain knowledge, the Dept of War has not passed an ordinance forbidding the serving of dog feces in the mess halls of our military organizations, nor has the President himself spoken out against this practice. What is to keep the military from serving dog feces in chow halls unless prompt action is taken. The fact that the President hasn't spoken out against this practice, just makes it far more likely to happen. Silence is consent.
Symbol classification is an important tool our glorious military's political officers need to keep us all safe.
(9:05) “Neville Chamberlain Trump” do we have a new delusional nitwit or have I just not been paying attention?
Also, Rainbows, a symbol of albinophobia, banners with fists, PP, etc, and other images celebrating Diversity (i.e. bloc ideologies).
Doesn't it feel like a D- hack media gotcha again?
gadfly - stick with the Biden-Cheney cabal - your speed.
#HateLovesAbortion
WaPo's breathless description of the policy amendment as "stunning" expresses the sadness they felt when a dumb gotcha evaporates. They were hoping to keep this in the news cycle for a few more days.
You don't despise these people enough.
It seems if an official announcement is made by the government, the media reports it as Trump Administration claims without evidence regardless of what evidence is actually provided. But if an anonymous tip claims anything, it is reported as gospel truth regardless how absurd or contrary to evidence it appears at face value.
RE: gadfly at 10:04. I don’t know why, but I begin to suspect that he doesn’t much like Donald Trump. Just a vague impression I get.
Well, actually, he’s a pretty good weather gauge. I’ve noticed over the years that the more successful Trump’s policies are, the more strident gadfly’s comments become. And judging by the drooling and slobbering in gadfly’s comment, right now Trump must be on quite a roll.
The is a really cool historic hotel in Mountainair New Mexico that is absolutely plastered with swastikas. Of course it predates Hitler's rise...
That presumably reflects the influence of the Navajo tribe, which occupies large portions of Northeastern Arizona and Northwestern New Mexico. The swastika symbol is called the “Whirling Logs” by the Navajo and dates to time immemorial. They quit using it publicly after WW2, although I’ve heard it gets used privately in medicine-man treatments and religious ceremonies.
My grandparents had a Navajo rug from the interwar period, probably before any Navajo had ever heard of Adolf Hitler, that was also covered in swastikas. Even more unfortunately, the pattern used black, white, and bright red yarn, as is still common in some parts of the reservation.
Why would this even come up?
What sort of Coast Guard do we have these days?
Speaking of reading the tea leaves with regard to our lefties - I'm worried that I haven't seen Robert Cook in a while - at least a couple of weeks, if memory serves. He does tend to go quiet when something is going well on the right, so maybe that's it, but ever since Gahrie passed on, I tend to get concerned when someone familiar stops appearing.
I understand the swastika, but this is the Coast Guard and a noose is ultimately a knot.
"There was this explosive report that the Coast Guard is no longer going to characterize swastikas and nooses as hate symbols."
Gosh, that's terrible. Hope no one was injured in the explosion.
Will be interesting to see how they revise their manuals. It will be difficult to explain the proper procedure for hanging someone from a yardarm without a few illustrations.
Certainly, the swastika is correctly viewed these days as a hate symbol. Of course, using the same standard, the hammer and sickle is also a hate symbol.
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Why would this even come up?
What sort of Coast Guard do we have these days?"
https://x.com/eMTBrides/status/1992011027349663845
I don't care what tattoos they have.
A "hate symbol?" Doubtless some USCG Regulation explains the purpose of having such classification. Perhaps WaPo article clarifies. But...paywall.
Many questions come to mind. Does USCG...
..attach any prohibitions to "hate symbols?"
..designate mandatory "hate symbols" or just prohibited ones?
..designate mandatory or prohibited "love symbols?"
..regulate actual hate or only the symbol?
..foresee making broccoli a hate symbol?
Life at school (USAFA) was highly regulated. We had an informal saying "Everything that is not mandatory is prohibited." But this "hate symbol" thing seems just too far out.
Glad the MSM are asking the important questions. I cant think of anything more earth shattering than swastikas and nooses in the Coast Guard. Unless its the economy, foreign policy, crime, immigration or about a million other things.
I was looking at a photo of a WW 2 pilot who had swastikas all over his plane. Even then we had hateful white men who hated Jews. And probably denied the Holocaust.
The Coast Guard has a history of racism. Old sailing ships were full of white men and nooses. The bad ol days.
Remember the NASCAR noose outrage? A man found a noose in the garage of the black racer's car. Instantly, at least 40 FBI agents flew in the find the evil doer. Other NASCAR drivers burst into tears, and proclaimed that racism would not win. The management of NASCAR proclaimed the black driver a saint, the greatest man in the sport, and damned the villiany of someone who would tie a garage rope in a noose.
Last thing I heard the other NASCAR racers were pushing the black racers car in show of solidarity against nooseism. Did they catch the culprit? Those damned Nazis are slipply fellows. They always avoid the cameras or leave evidence when they paint their swastikas are put up a noose. Full of hate. But wiley.
I sorta thought the Coast Guard's No. 1 job was you know...guarding the coast. But I guess their real job is fighting hate.
How can they reverse a policy they never had in the first place?
I think they made this up, change my mind (crowder)
There was quite a hullabaloo at one of my former workplaces when a guy made a Prusik knot and left it lying around, then another guy said it was a noose. CC, JSM
The Staffordshire Regiment’s cap badge is a Stafford knot, which according to legend was a medieval solution for hanging 3 men with 1 rope. Wonder how long they’ll be allowed to keep that. CC, JSM
Hassayamper: “ The swastika symbol is called the “Whirling Logs” by the Navajo”
The National Guard division from the Southwest paid tribute to this heritage by using a swastika as their shoulder patch in WW1. When WW2 rolled around, they changed it to the Thunderbird. Ironically, they wound up liberating one of the death camps. CC, JSM
If you read WW II book, you'll see that prior to about 1980 no one talked about liberating death camps. that's because the book industry was controlled by antisemites. Finally after the TV movie the Holocaust, the dam was broken, and secret was out.
We now know that almost everyone of the 3.5 million GI's in the ETO liberated a death camp. With the black GI's in the lead. in fact that's why the Nazis lost the war. Instead of building tanks and airplanes, they built like 100,000 death camps. Which is why every American Unit liberated one.
True story.
They are making progress against traffickers so...
The NYC subway's Cloisters station used to sport swastika/fylfot/sunwheel designs on the tiled walls and floors. Maybe they're still there--that was in the (19)80s.
And don't get me started on Greek Frieze.
I hope the CG cutters turn out better than the Navy's infamous L(ittle) C(rappy) S(hips).
Ocean, I will leave aside the question of how many camps, were they deliberate death camps or just mismanaged work camps, how many US GIs ever saw one, etc. We know for certain that the formerly swastika-wearing 45th Infantry Division liberated Dachau because they proceeded to summarily execute Kraut soldiers there. Which we know about because they did it in full knowledge that an Army motion picture unit, sent to document the camp, was filming them. The unfortunate Germans weren't even camp guards; they were convalescent line infantry in the German Army hospital that was part of the camp complex. Patton quashed any idea of prosecuting the GIs.
Maybe they were just supremely pissed that the Krauts gave their swastika a bad name. CC, JSM
The State Library of PA in Harrisburg has an entire floor with swastikas as the adornment for banisters, railings and such. Built in the 30s. A beautiful building really. I spent many happy lunch hours there.
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