I'm interested in hearing your answer to my question, but I admit I've already used my question to prompt Grok, which pointed me to the context of the "evil beyond belief" quote, this email released by the House Oversight Committee:
And no, Dowd did not mention the man who extracted the quote and why he might have thought that "Barrack" — Barack Obama? — had "talked sense" to Trump in the past.
Landon Thomas Jr. was a New York Times reporter when received email from Epstein and wrote back urging Epstein to "jump in."
Here's the 2018 Daily Beast article that Epstein had sent to Thomas: "How Close Is Donald Trump to a Psychiatric Breakdown?/Last fall, prominent psychiatrists broke with the American Psychiatric Association to warn that President Trump is dangerous and mentally unstable. A bitter controversy started."
Why was a NYT reporter asking Jeffrey Epstein to "jump in" and call Trump? Or was Thomas asking Epstein to call Barack Obama who then might call Trump and "talk sense"? [ADDED: It could also be Tom Barrack or even Ehud Barak.]
Epstein isn't responsive to Thomas. He doesn't offer to do anything to intervene. He just rants childishly: Trump is crazy! He's evil beyond belief!
By the way, there's another Landon Thomas Jr. story that was in the news on November 13th: "NYT reporter tipped off Jeffrey Epstein about ex-NYPD detective ‘digging around’ to write tell-all book, emails reveal" (NY Post).
Excerpt: "'Keep getting calls from that guy doing a book on you — John Connolly. He seems very interested in your relationship with the news media. I told him you were a hell of a guy :),' Thomas wrote to Epstein in an email dated June 1, 2016...."
Also: "Thomas left the Times in early 2019, after he revealed to editors that he had solicited a $30,000 donation to a cultural center in Harlem from Epstein, NPR reported at the time. His disclosure led brass at the Grey Lady to revisit Thomas’ past work, turning up a fawning profile of Epstein published in 2008, days before he began serving time as part of a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal on Florida child prostitution charges."
Where's the "fawning profile"? I'm seeing this from 2002, in New York Magazine, "Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery."
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Evil men have very small feet... and hands, doncha know.
What if a Cretan tells you all Cretans are liars? CC, JSM
I love the he could well tank the global economy coming from some doosh who hasn't a fucking clue about anything economics. Your lane is liberal propaganda...
"Hitler frequently framed Roosevelt as part of a larger conspiracy involving Jews and Bolsheviks, implying that his actions were evil due to their supposed ulterior motives aimed at world domination."
~Duck.AI
Thomas background is interesting. BA in Polysi in 1987. MA from John Hopkins 1991 in International studies. Then suddenly in 1994 is a porfolio manager for Morgan Stanley till 1998. Then becomes a reporter. And finally joins the NYT 2002-2019.
Dowd? Maureen Dowd? Shouldn't she be drinking scented tea with a guru in an Etruscan villa or something? Light some candles, Maureen.
Epstein cartoon - the lack of women is interesting.
Epstein hated Trump because Trump cooperated with the investigators that got Epstein convicted.
All those people who think Darryl Cooper is evil beyond belief are going to have to change their minds about Churchill now.
Where evil character and wicked solutions progress, there can be only one.
""Hitler frequently framed Roosevelt as part of a larger conspiracy involving Jews and Bolsheviks ..."
Wonder where he got that idea.
I think Dowd has it wrong. When a liar and objectively evil man who was a spy, blackmailer, pedophile, and all around pig, calls you "bad", that probably means you're good.
Getting complimented by evil isn't a good resume enhancer.
Pollard who spent 30 years in jail for betraying the USA befriends Mike Huckabee that doesn't mean Huckabee is a good guy. that Trump was disliked by Epstein is to Trump's credit.
Yes, Trump exposed social liberal club progressing through the muck to judgment and labels in open society. Also, grifters, gropers, and pedos.
Tank the economy? Does anyone remember the state of the economy back in March 2018?
I'll never forget that under Bush, Epstein basically got a pass and all his crimes were swept under the rug. I wonder if Cheney knew what was going on.
And the only reason the Epstein scandal saw the light of day is that the Democrats thought they could tie him to Trump. If Epstein hadn't known Trump, we'd still be thinking he was just an "International money mystery man" or whatever.
It seems most likely that Epstein hated Trump, for a number of reasons including Trump banning him from his resorts, and his cooperation with authorities prosecuting Epstein. You have to be desperate to think his criticism of Trump would be fair and clear-headed, but again, facts are inconvenient, over, and over, and over.
So many indications that the Democrats have nothing left but the swamp.
I’ve been wondering about this ever since Trump was convicted based on Michael Cohen testimony of a <30 sec call and after Cohen admitted defrauding Trump previously. It’s as “if it makes Trump look bad, then it must be true”.
"Here's the 2018 Daily Beast article that Epstein had sent to Thomas: "How Close Is Donald Trump to a Psychiatric Breakdown?"" See, there's a prog audience for that BS. Any of us may think it's patently absurd, but they eat it up. Plus you can see why the Biden admin didn't release the files: E. hated Trump and was best buddies with Dems.
Well, one could face the facts: Trump had Epstein's number, and did something resolute and decisive about it early on, using his connections with law enforcement, while the rest of the establishment was fawning over Epstein's Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous bullsh*t, ignoring the obvious about his deviant sexual behavior.
"It’s as “if it makes Trump look bad, then it must be true”."
Inga in a nutshell.
People like Dowd will believe anybody who confirms what they already believe to be true.
RCOCEAN II said...
I think Dowd has it wrong.
Don’t go too far out on that limb!
All of this was rather predictable. You had to be a complete retard to think Trump had anything to do with Epstein or that releasing these files would hurt Trump in any way.
So the most interesting question now is Why did Trump seek to hold this back?
He listened to someone. Who told him to hold these files back?
I also love the part about the classified files being held back. I think we can all agree what the classified files contain. And the Democrats joining unanimously on this is very concerning.
I don't think this is going to be enough. MAGA is going to keep asking why we are covering for the CIA and Mossad.
I sense Jeffrey Epstein's moment of "strange new respect" is coming as his emails reveal his long hatred of Trump. Unlike Dick Cheney, he didn't live to see it.
"He could well tank global economy."
He could well tank the globalists' economy.
Fixed it for ya'.
On an island of truth-tellers and liars, you ask "Did you know that they're giving away free beers in the village?" Then follow him no matter what he says.
It is possible that Trump wanted to hold this off until the midterm election season. But that seems unlikely to me.
"Epstein wrote that 'Trump had spent hours at my house' with one of the victims .."
This keeps popping up as if Trump was alone with Virginia Giuffre. Have seen no evidence of that. Was the comment made after Virginia Giuffre became famous?
What exactly were the circumstances, and how many people were there, when Trump spent hours?
Wince said...
"He could well tank global economy."
He could well tank the globalists' economy.
Fixed it for ya'.
Native born Americans had massive positive job growth and the US had job growth despite illegals being fired en mass and many many government workers being laid off.
The American working class is going through a boom right now. GDP exploded upwards.
Just one of those things that Ann is going to feel "prodded" to talk about at some point. The NYT's certainly wont get to it.
"Wince said...
"He could well tank global economy."
He could well tank the globalists' economy.
Fixed it for ya'.
Native born Americans had massive positive job growth and the US had job growth despite illegals being fired en mass and many many government workers being laid off.
The American working class is going through a boom right now. GDP exploded upwards."
Every time an illegal loses their job, a citizen takes their place.
FullMoon said...
This keeps popping up as if Trump was alone with Virginia Giuffre. Have seen no evidence of that. Was the comment made after Virginia Giuffre became famous?
What exactly were the circumstances, and how many people were there, when Trump spent hours?
It happened 30 years ago in a changing room in a posh New York City clothing shop. Not sure what day or even year.
But that is enough to sue Trump for defamation if he says it didn't happen.
Women like Ann will find it credible.
Let's put it this way: Trump calling Epstein a "terrific guy" is much worse than Epstein calling Trump "evil."
Original Mike said...
"It’s as “if it makes Trump look bad, then it must be true”."
Inga in a nutshell.
11/22/25, 11:36 AM
IDS. Inga Derangement Syndrome.
Evil did I dwell, lewd did I live.
can't make a palendrome from dowd. Department of Workforce Development.
I suspect the fallout from this is going to end more media careers than political.
Frankly, I haven't been following the Epstein kerfuffle, but from this short email exchange it sounds like Epstein was feeding these TDS inflicted parasites exactly what they wanted to hear.
The correct reading is that Donnie’s morality is lower than that of a child rapist.
Trump committed acts that even Jeffy Epestein found repulsive.
It would be like if satan kicked you out of hell for being too twisted.
This is why we can't stop with the release of the Epstein files. Only the private correspondence of Hitler and Stalin will allow historians to best assess the true worth of other world figures: "when someone evil beyond belief calls you evil beyond belief" that is the gold standard. Let the truth about Roosevelt and Churchill finally come out!
By "one of the victims" you mean one of Epstein's victims, in Epstein's house, with Epstein present watching over everything right? He's the source of truth here? When presented with this "evil" surely he lept to the girl's defense right? No you say? My oh my, what is one to believe? Maureen surely loves her serial sex offenders.
D.D. Driver said...
Let's put it this way: Trump calling Epstein a "terrific guy" is much worse than Epstein calling Trump "evil."
Trump just hosted Mamdani and said many nice things about him. Trump says nice things about everybody.
That is just what Trump does. He is one of the least judgemental and goal oriented people in the world.
TeaBagHag said...
The correct reading is that Donnie’s morality is lower than that of a child rapist.
Trump committed acts that even Jeffy Epestein found repulsive.
It would be like if satan kicked you out of hell for being too twisted.
I think this person is just here to make Democrats look as stupid and deranged as possible.
"Can Barrack talk sense to him anymore?"
WTF? Just how crazy is this guy?
It used to be a jury instruction in Nebraska before my time: False in one, false in all. In Latin, falsus in uno, flasus in omnibus.
The Romans knew human nature. Epstein has less than zero credibility.
The Democrats are pulling a chain f*cking that Epstein chicken, but no eggs.
Epstein's opinions are useful for understanding Epstein, but otherwise useless.
So Epstein in 2018 knows all the deep dark secrets about Donald Trump. "Evil beyond belief."
And, in 2018, his example is...Stormy Daniels. Which Epstein knows nothing about. (And, even if you believe Ms. Daniels, was at best a garden variety bit of adultery).
Why isn't Epstein talking about, or even remotely hinting at, all the bad stuff that Trump (allegedly) did with teenage girls?
Also "...why wouldn't he take your call?" is comically obtuse.
Mo Do---spreading brown nasty phony bunkum with a trowel.
Fixed it for Ya: Every time an illegal loses his job, an angel gets his wings.
More evidence that Trump was likely savvy enough to avoid compromising himself around Epstein. You see how that works, Trump very well might be a scumbag and may have had dalliances with underage girls he certainly cheated on all of his wives probably paid for hundreds of abortions left a lot of subcontractors hung out to dry and was likely in bed with Mobsters to get projects done both here and abroad. He was trained by Roy Cohn for crepes sake so for someone to say that he is evil beyond belief is not a stretch. And yet still no evidence he succumbed to Epstein's Honey trap.
"so for someone to say that he is evil beyond belief is not a stretch. "
Beyond belief means it is a stretch.
"Can Barrack talk sense to him anymore?"
Tom Barrack? Ehud Barak? Doubtful he means Barack Obama.
Donald Trump's past association with Epstein does him no credit, but I wouldn't say it's evil beyond belief. I think he accepted Jeffrey Epstein's behavior in the way that Rolling Stones' fans accepted the fact that their favorite band didn't discriminate against underage members of their fan base.....Evil beyond belief: Epstein is reprehensible, but if I were in charge of arranging accommodations in Hell, I would put those members of the Bournemouth grooming gangs in a much nastier pit. There might even be members of some rock groups who did more exploitative and damaging things than Epstein.
Howard:"...for crepes sake..."
Oh no! Trump is a Frenchman? I knew it! He probably planted that story about Brigitte Macron with Candace Owens, too. Is there no end to his perfidy? Get those two crazy senators Slotkin and Kelly on the line!
Donald J Trump; your least favorite’s pedophile’s, least favorite pedophile.
Inga--"I doubt he means Barak Obama."
I don't.
Incoherent writing from an incoherent thinker. Rumors. Gossip. No facts. BS from word one to the rest of the article.
Inga--"I doubt he means Barak Obama."
“I don't.”
Trump hated/hates Obama, why would it be suggested that Trump would listen to anything Barack Obama would have to say?
Oh yeah. Ehud Barak was shacked up at Epstein's place. Probably Ehud.
Why would I care about Epstein’s opinion on any topic? The amount of time being wasted on him is appalling.
“Oh yeah. Ehud Barak was shacked up at Epstein's place. Probably Ehud.”
Doubtful too. Tom Barrack and Trump had a long relationship.
“Nature of the relationship
Long-standing friendship: The two have known each other since the late 1980s, a relationship Barrack helped mend during difficult times for Trump's business and personal life.
Fundraiser and supporter: Barrack was a key fundraiser for Trump's 2016 campaign and was a senior advisor to the campaign.
Inaugural chairman: He served as the chairman for Trump's 2017 Presidential Inaugural Committee.
Adviser: Barrack served as an outside adviser to Trump, helping him navigate political and business challenges, including a secret trip to Mexico and managing public perception of his immigration policies.”
Gemini
It was Ehud Barak.
It's an established fact that John Steinbeck felt more sympathy for bankrupt farmers in Oklahoma than for outright starvation victims in Ukraine. If you get victimized by a Jewish billionaire, a Catholic priest or any kind of Republican, your story is told on the front page and you receive abundant sympathy. Tough luck and back pages for you if you get beaten and gang raped by migrants......Can we all agree that John Wayne Gacy was more evil than Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein doesn't even have a middle name.
The Evil Lemonhead…
Hook ‘em ‘horns and suck ‘em hag.
I think this person is just here to make Democrats look as stupid and deranged as possible.
@Achilles, and succeeding!
Epstein was an amoral opportunist and any statement he made should be given no weight either way. He could lie or make a true statement according to what was best in his best interest.
What's more important is what important people said to him and when. Any contact after June 30, 2008, should raise eyebrows, if not outrage.
The holomodor was only brought up by mr jones in hearst papers what does that have to do with the price of fish
Barak who ran the color revolution that made october 7th possible also tried to broker a tie to syrian regime
“People like Dowd will believe anybody who confirms what they already believe to be true.”
It’s called confirmation bias. We all have it to some degree. In fact you have to work pretty hard to overcome it.
I have trouble believing that someone is evil beyond belief.
Further demonstration of the logical fallacy of the undistributed middle:
I hate evil.
I hate Trump
Ergo, Trump is evil
QED.
The enemy of my enemy is not ipso facto my friend. Learn that lesson.
The Times built up Epstein so he would be acceptible to a broad strata of individuals
Levinas on evil
It is impossible to be stinting in our admiration for the intellectual vigor of ``Sein und Zeit,'' particularly in light of the immense output this extraordinary book of 1927 inspired. Its supreme steadfastness will mark it forever. Can we be assured, however, that there was never any echo of Evil in it? The diabolical is not limited to the wickedness popular wisdom ascribes to it and whose malice, based on guile, is familiar and predictable in an adult culture. The diabolical is endowed with intelligence and enters where it will. To reject it, it is first necessary to refute it. Intellectual effort is needed to recognize it. Who can boast of having done so? Say what you will, the diabolical gives food for thought.
Good Lord Howard!
Could you be more of a smear merchant? You are starting to sound like the idiot Igna.
"can't make a palendrome from dowd"
Not sure what is. But I'm postive the Russian Army is using those in Ukraine.
Dont be part of the smart crowd,
Read the NYT's,
Like Maureen Dowd.
Epstein was a liberal Democrat. But a zionist one, with connections to the Mossad. He was big buddies with Barrack, Clinton, etc. Think the Democrats shot themselves in the foot by pushing for the release. Time will tell.
Strangely, Miss Lindsey wasn't a friend. Guess epstein wasn't serving up what Miss Lindsey likes.
Before reading the other comments, I’ll say this: Very few people believe themselves to be evil. They can usually rationalize their own behavior, no matter how bad it may be. Would Sauron have felt that Gandalf and Frodo were the truly evil people in Middle Earth? In most cases, there is no Good and Evil; it is often just Us and Them. In cases like that, I prefer that the winner in the conflict be Us.
I'm pretty sick and tired of this whole stupid story. Unless someone powerful gets accused of pedophilia, I just don't care.
"They are covering with a pillow until it stops moving" when it turns out the clintons the obamas and the bidens were more tied to all these malefactors
Are we the baddies?
Same as with bob rubin and ken lay (who picked him to be the merged gas company ceo or global crossing etc etc
I only evil I ever liked was Evil knevil
I agree with Joe Bar. Until someone in power, in our country, gets arrested and sent to prison, I don't want to hear anything more about it. It wont happen in my lifetime.
I remember there was dowdify omitting all the context out of a story
"RCOCEAN II said...
"can't make a palendrome from dowd"
Not sure what is. But I'm postive the Russian Army is using those in Ukraine."
truculant.
Let's put it this way: Trump calling Epstein a "terrific guy" is much worse than Epstein calling Trump "evil."
You do know people's relationships - and opinions of said relationships - can change over time, right?
Derp yourself, dumas.
Its dense and light weight so kinda useless maybe she should have her brother write more columns
probably paid for hundreds of abortions
Wow. That's a lot of abortions. How did he ever have time to commit any other nefarious acts besides having daily unprotected sex?
Trump loves a winner. Ideology is irrelevant. The mutual recognition of charisma is palpable. Contrary to some media accounts, they both came off as winners.
Trump’s self presentation was more reminiscent of the wry and ambiguous persona of 2016 than of the cruel retributive and authoritarian figure of the 2024 race or the first year of this term. This was celebrity showman first and enjoying it.
Mamdani was his usual affable yet unflappable and focused self. No hostility, respect given, but no ground yielded on the democratic socialist platform for NYC.
I haven’t seen anything like it. Who knows what it means or if it will last?
So what does Dowd want?? Because Democrats got money from Epstein and Trump turned him in to the Feds (and kicked him out) does she want the emails kept secret? Hidden? Thrown out? All cause she says Epstein is 'evil' and his words are.. uh... bogus? Or what?
To bury the story, now that its no longer useful
All the leftists here "Trump probably did this or that."
One thing leftists all have in common with each other:..
they all think the same --->
"Trump is crazy! He's evil beyond belief! "
I haven’t seen anything like it. Who knows what it means or if it will last?
This cracked me up, following immediately as it did on the usual chin-stroking (and revisionist) analysis
Wait for it (cue graham chapman)
Trump and Epstein are pals!
No, Epstein is Trump’s Enemy!
I love all the demoslobering over this issue.
Its a floor wax no a dessert topping
Howard said...
More evidence that Trump was likely savvy enough to avoid compromising himself around Epstein. You see how that works, Trump very well might be a scumbag and may have had dalliances with underage girls he certainly cheated on all of his wives probably paid for hundreds of abortions left a lot of subcontractors hung out to dry and was likely in bed with Mobsters to get projects done both here and abroad.
If Trump had paid for a single abortion for any woman it would have been front page on the NYT's for a month and the woman would be a multi-millionaire now.
Trump has set so many tigers loose in the jungle, it is just a matter of time before one circles back and devours him.
It is pretty obvious why this case hits close to home for Trump. Bondi was Attorney General in Florida at a time when Epstein's activities were open and notorious, and she did nothing. In Trump's first term, he rewarded Alex Acosta with a cabinet position (Acosta was involved in the initial prosecution of Epstein when he was a U.S. Attorney and provided an agreement with incredibly favorable release terms for Epstein that was largely seen as a farce).
The reality is that sometimes conspiracies are also true and there are "hidden power networks". Anyone who even spends a little time looking at the Epstein case -- seeing how things were reported not just in one moment -- but over the course of decades has to wonder. Maybe it was just an incredibly coincidental turn of history that the person who was initially involved in overseeing the case - Bill Barr -- who was involved in a sleazy cover-up involving Iran-Contra, also happened to have a father who helped Epstein get his first job at the Dalton School forty years earlier (at a time when Epstein only had a high school degree). These are documented facts.
Epstein's association with Robert Maxwell's daughter -- another person with close ties to intelligence agencies -- is another one of those "coincidences" that just seems way too rich to be a historical accident.
Do rich and powerful people engage in egregious misbehavior and then use their social networks to protect themselves? Is that a "conspiracy" or is it just a fact? In this particular instance, why were rich and powerful people around Epstein willing to put their names and reputations on the line to ensure that Epstein received incredibly lenient treatment? e.g. actions that the DOJ even flagged in its review of the Epstein case in 2020.
The child abuse aspects of this case are not in dispute either. Why did this one person receive such an absurd level of protection and such lenient treatment? Let's begin with that fact. Why were so many people involved in that lenient treatment rewarded with future political advancement, rather than having their careers absolutely destroyed, as would be the case in any other normal professional sphere?
Even if they didn't actively engage in the kind of abuse Epstein was involved in, they were almost certainly aware of what was going on. Trump even alluded to it as well in previous comments about how Epstein "liked them young".
I treat it like I do the usual suspects. Since they deal in lies and mistruths nothing they say has any validity. I just scroll right past them.
One thing I'm certain Trump did as a major building contractor was make payoffs to various public officials to get needed permits to ensure projects moved along smoothly. A oct of doing business in the NYC metropolitan area. Probably including using the recommended mob run trash haulers. Big money in that. And they paid the politicians.
Anyone who grew up in the area (I did) is certain of this. And why hasn't any of it surfaced> Well, gee, maybe it has something to do with they can't say he paid bribes without exposing all the DEMOCRATS he paid bribes to. And they would also have to be prosecuted.
Two types of bribes- one offered by the briber, one demanded by the bribee. Offering one is unethical, taking one either offered or demanded is unethical. Paying one that's demanded? Definite gray area.
There are a lot of men who are powerful and immature emotionally and sexually. If they are wealthy and well connected like Jeffrey Epstein they can get away with being immoral creeps. They are not limited to Jeffrey Epstein or his associations, however. Perversion by the elites runs the gamut.
Now I see that the scope of abuse was/is so massive and involves so many important high profile men I can understand why so many want them exposed. Perhaps it's overdue for this kind of behavior to be publicly shamed.
"Now I see that the scope of abuse was/is so massive and involves so many important high profile men I can understand why so many want them exposed."
I see this repeated a lot by a lot of people, so I am not picking on you specifically, but how many men have been openly named by the women involved? I have, to date, seen exactly two names mentioned by any of the victims- Epstein himself and Prince Andrew. Now, maybe more names will be found in the grand jury testimony but the judges have squashed attempts to release that.
This is similar to the claims that Epstein had a vast trove of blackmail videos but not a single such video has ever surfaced anywhere.
I smell the .reek of desperation here. All of a sudden, out of the blue, 6th hand knowledge that Trump and Epstein were actually buddies.
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