Joe Kort, who wrote the book “Is My Husband Gay, Straight, or Bi?,” says that stories like Greenstone and Hoff’s are increasingly common among his therapy clients. “More and more and more, that’s happening,” he said. "A lot of straight women are so tired of patriarchy and they know that gay — and even bi — guys are going to be less patriarchal,” he said. “That’s what I’ve seen.”...
Some of Kort’s gay clients feel alienated from gay culture. Others say they’ve always wanted a traditional heterosexual family unit regardless of their own orientation...
October 13, 2025
"Yes, she’s pregnant. Yes, it’s his. And yes — if you must know how they conceived — in Greenstone’s words, 'we birds’d and we bees’d.'"
From "He’s gay. She’s straight. They’re happily married./A new crop of couples are making content about their mixed-orientation marriages, divorced from sexual attraction but not love" (WaPo).
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..."A lot of straight women are so tired of patriarchy ....."
Of course they are. They can't tell you what it is, but they absolutely know it when they see it.
This just seems like heterosexuality with more steps.
Women in 2025 America have never had more wealth, freedom, stature and power than at any point in history, so yeah, marry a gay guy to fight the patriarchy or whatever...
It's permitted to stereotype gay man as a bunch of limp-wristed pussies.
Lavender marriages! They've been around forever.
Gay men are just better at sugar coating their dominance. My MIL was a San Francisco bank executive in the 70's. She would only hire gay male secretaries because they were detail oriented, socially sensitive, quietly aggressive and not intimidated by alpha male executives.
So is this sort of thing stunning, or brave, or both? Maybe it's fierce.
Gay men have been doing this for centuries. They want children so they have sex with a woman. Pretty simple.
“Gay men have been doing this for centuries. They want children so they have sex with a woman. Pretty simple.”
Now, if only they would go back into the closet….
I remember my English prof making passes at me (I'm straight, but sound kind of gay when I talk; in my 20s I was ripped and gay men would occasionaly send out gay sonar pings). Anyway, my friend said "oh no, Professor L is married with 2 daughters." So I thought no more of it until prof L walked up to me while I was taking a shower at the colisseum and started discussing Lady Chatterly's lover. Interesting how many gay men in the 1980s had children.
I just read Prof L's obit. He had 4 children + 2 adopted, 10 grandchildren, etc. This is how gay genes survive! He was a good professor and I never resented that he made passes at me. I graduated just before AIDs hit. I wonder if it made him give up any gay side life he may have had.
If you want evidence for a gay gene, this is how it happens. Bisexuality. Gay genes passed to offspring.
Oscar Wilde had children too.
Everything old is new again.
It was a few years ago that leftists were outraged about therapy for gay people who wanted to be straight. And now, strange, here are gay people who are reproducing.
The other thing, is that if you are really appalled by heterosexuality, you would reproduce via doctors and IVF. Glad they went old school! It's way more fun.
an erect penis has no conscience..
come to think of it; neither does a limp one
if you are really appalled by heterosexuality, you would reproduce via doctors and IVF
And this goes for straight women as well, it seems, going all the way back to Murphy Brown.
Let me add that I strongly support IVF. But for the procreation-inclined who have no medical issues in the way, the natural method is cheaper and easier.
Transgender is a spectrum including so-called bisexuals, homosexuals with a heterosexual fetus... fetish or vice versa.
whatevs…
Unpopular opinion, but I think this is a better family structure than two gay men adopting or using surrogacy to have children, or two lesbians adopting or using surrogacy to have children. We tend to focus on marriage primarily as the romantic fulfilment of two people, but as far as families go, specifically raising children, it is critically important that children grow up in a home where there dad and mom, meaning their biological dad and mom, love and care for them. While it is true that many people adopt children and provide good homes for those children, we play make believe that that means the biological connection does not matter. It does. It matters that children feel loved and invested in by their biological parents. This, in my mind, is why dad, or mom, or both, making dinner for their children is important.
And they didn't interview Tim Walz for this article.
This is very tangentially related, but I saw this YouTube short a week or so ago about how lots of straight white men in Japan sound gay when speaking Japanese. Clip. I say this is slightly related because this post is about Gay men occupying a straight role, and the clip is about straight men occupying a gay role.
I recall seeing this on the Brady Bunch, but some of the kids weren’t his and some weren’t hers either.
the natural method is cheaper and easier.
and way more fun
and orgasmic
and yabba dabba do
I think it's telling that Kort says this is more and more common among his therapy patients in an article that wants to make this seem like it's normal. If it's such a nifty system, why are its practitioners in therapy?
A transactional relationship is not novel. Neither is a transgender male with a heterosexual fetish. Love and luet incorporated. A handmade tale of sperm donors and womb farms is a green conception.
A transactional incorporation of lust and love is a hallmark of Diversity theory.
If you want evidence for a gay gene, this is how it happens. Bisexuality. Gay genes passed to offspring.
Yep, some are born that way, others get sucked into it.(Dad joke)
Virgil Hilts: "prof L walked up to me while I was taking a shower at the colisseum"
The Colisseum? Were you making a gladiator movie? CC, JSM
The Vault Dweller said...
"Unpopular opinion, but I think this is a better family structure than two gay men adopting or using surrogacy to have children, or two lesbians adopting or using surrogacy to have children. "
This is the unspeakable truth that must never be revealed.
“More and more and more, that’s happening,” he said. "A lot of straight women are so tired of patriarchy and they know that gay — and even bi — guys are going to be less patriarchal,” he said. “That’s what I’ve seen.”
Oh dear.
The fundamental problem with women’s thinking is that the biological foundation is based on limiting the reproductive success of competing females.
The “patriarchy” is based on men’s thinking which is biologically based on expanding the number of progeny they produce.
Men are naturally capitalist and think in expanding wealth and women are naturally zero sum and they think in terms of taking existing wealth for themselves and from other people.
These stupid women are being duped into thinking that a gay man will make them happier than a masculine man who wants lots of children.
Howard said...
Gay men are just better at sugar coating their dominance. My MIL was a San Francisco bank executive in the 70's. She would only hire gay male secretaries because they were detail oriented, socially sensitive, quietly aggressive and not intimidated by alpha male executives.
They tend to be sigmas.
I spent 40 years not knowing why I got along with gay men better than typical alphas. I also didn’t really figure out why alphas had a tendency to drive me out of groups.
We still don’t really know much about how this all works.
Food for thought: visit r/Deadbedrooms on Reddit. Read a couple of dozen posts. You'd be surprised to discover how many married couples have lost interest in each other sexually but stay together for the sake of raising their children. Basically, roommates. In many cases, co-parenting is the crux of the relationship. So, what is worse: starting out hot and heavy/romantic - and losing that. OR, starting out that way with a focus on the kid-raising project to begin with?
I think the science evidence that homosexuality is innate is incredibly weak. We're talking about humanity, going back tens of thousands of years. Only heterosexuals mate and pass genes to offspring. So, to pass your genes to offspring, you need to have sex with the opposite sex.
Historically, heterosexuality was seen as natural, as a part of nature. Because we're the ones reproducing. After every generation, the only people left on the planet are children of heterosexuals.
Thus, if you had gay urges, or you just wanted to be gay, you tried to encourage heterosexuals to be more open-minded. Bisexuality was the ticket for you. The ancient Greeks, many of whom were gay, deemed women inferior. But also necessary, for reproductive purposes, and not to be avoided. The Romans were similar. Pagans were bisexuals.
Jews and Christians were heterosexuals. As a norm, not necessarily in any individual case. And this is the way it was, for almost all of human history. So, for instance, some men in prison -- when there are no women available -- go gay, while they are in prison. But again, what they really have done is opened up their minds, and gone from straight to bisexual.
We are in a very weird, strange era where sexual orientation is said to be fixed and immutable. It is said to be impossible for gay people to change their sexuality. This is, in my opinion, ridiculous. Because we all have free will. This is why homosexuality exists, when they do not breed!
The left insists that urges and ideas and fixations and orientations are all set in stone. If you're a 6-year-old, and you're wearing a dress, the leftist believes he has discovered something innate and immutable. And, he says, the human body is fluid and open to the surgeon's knife. So our testicles and our vaginas and all the rest of our human equipment can be chopped and diced and re-arranged, like plastic surgery. Dr. Frankenstein is not a how-to guide!
Masculine women, feminine men?
Which is the rooster? Which is the hen?
Lots of men like tomboys and Amazons, but they seem to prefer each other. Lesbians want to be the alpha, so no time for ordinary men.
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