"... should not be recognized as citizens because it would give them the right 'to keep and carry arms wherever they want.' Even after Black people became citizens entitled to Second Amendment rights, they often had to deal with discriminatory gun laws limiting their access to firearms.... 'The trans people I know, both gun owners and others, see the prospect of the D.O.J. taking trans people’s guns as a prelude to atrocity,' Eden Fenn, a young trans woman, told me. She called herself 'the definition of a reluctant gun owner,' describing her ownership as a precautionary measure against the potential of anti-trans violence.... Mental health is often weaponized against the trans community.... [T]here are legitimate concerns about the high rates of depression and suicidal ideation among trans people.... Everyone I spoke with talked about their gun-safety plans. Some suggested that it should be normalized to offload your guns to a friend while going through a traumatic experience.... There are no easy answers—only a delicate calculus to be made...."
Writes Grace Byron, in "The Complexities of Trans Gun Ownership/In the face of threats and harassment, some trans Americans are becoming gun owners—only to be targeted by the same movements that claim to defend gun rights" (The New Yorker).

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"some trans Americans are becoming gun owners—only to be targeted by the same movements that claim to defend gun rights"
Yeah, and the same people that push for gun control are horrified to see troops in the street.
Nobody makes the connections....CC, JSM
"Mental health is often weaponized against the trans community ..."
Medical care is now a weapon wielded against the Democrats, I see.
Make lobotomies great again.
Border Patrol and Customs officers hardest hit.
The vast majority of supporters of the individual right to keep and bear arms also support restricting or prohibiting the mentally ill from possession and ownership. Trans-folk by definition are mentally ill. It is a rational categorical restriction, just as age is categorical.
"g. Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?"
"Mental defective" certainly isn't spectacularly descriptive...but it does rhyme.
Save every single leftist, tranz, progressive, and democrat statement in support of 'gun rights' so that you can throw it back in their face when they talk about weapon bans for anyone in the future. Eff them and their double-standard, and keep arming.
The same people that told us we must transition minors else they'll commit suicide now want to claim they don't have mental health issues at all.
Minority rights to the First and Second Amendment have always been threatened by the majority. Gun control has it's roots in racism.
I guarantee you large numbers of freakazoids are not "the actual transferee/buyer of all of the firearm(s) listed on this form and any continuation sheet(s) (ATF Form 5300.9A) Warning: You are not the actual transferee/buyer if you are acquiring any of the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual transferee/buyer, the licensee cannot transfer any of the firearm(s) to you."
I would estimate no less than 50% of these nutz are straw purchasing.
The "have you you ever been..." question is unfair.
The question should be "What is a woman?"
The one trans person I hear from on a continuing basis regularly asserts that Donald J. Trump personally hates 'her' and is right on the verge of sending 'her' to a concentration camp in Utah. I can see having reservations about allowing this person to possess an AK-47.
Given the number of violent trannies and mass shooters, they should be denied guns. Transexuality used to be labeled a mental disease. And it still is.
There are so many easy ways without firearms to kill people, even in very large numbers. I don't know why it doesn't happen more. Luckily the crazy bastards among us are not very creative or capable. Every day is a lucky one and a blessing.
It's FRIDAY!!!
One of the reasons I gave up retirement was to get back that special energy I get on Fridays.
Perhaps the mentally ill and tendency toward violence reactionary trans community could simply abide by Red Flag Laws.
I find it interesting that possessing firearms as a "precautionary measure" is fine and good for these specific situations/people, but is normally dismissed out-of-hand when considering it for the population at large.
That said, I agree there must be robust limitations and procedures for mental health restrictions, consistent with compelling governmental interest and strict scrutiny. It would be far too easy to declare well-functioning people "mentally unfit" for spurious political reasons.
...describing her ownership as a precautionary measure against the potential of anti-trans violence...
Since most anti-trans violence are (I believe) romantic relationships gone bad, there is no external threat to arm against.
Mental health is often weaponized against the trans community...
It's usually weaponized against regular folk opposing a specific government trans policy: "If you don't support this trans people will kill themselves."
"If you don't support this trans people will kill themselves."
Hmm, maybe this is a self-solving problem...
Simulants or Sims. Trans is a Diverse and Exclusive spectrum that includes homosexuals, bisexuals et al.
That said, diversity of individuals, minority of one.
Sims are mentally unstable and ethically liberal with a progressive entertainment of affirmative abortive ideation.
Btw, "The issue of minority gun ownership has long been fraught."
Prof, have you ever taken a stance on this postmodern use of 'fraught' without 'with xxx?' It's bothered me since the first time I heard or read it. It seems like thought-stopping language: the writer doesn't want you to think about what the issue is fraught with, because then you might not agree. CC, JSM
describing her ownership as a precautionary measure against the potential of anti-trans violence
So, paranoia. Is that a disqualifying condition?
The human mind is so complicated. I suppose it could be said that anyone who wants a gun because of the potential of a violent attack on her could be termed "paranoid" - but in suburban Texas, my many gun-owning friends point to two main reasons, maybe three, for their gun ownership: the potential for home invasion (a real, though uncommon, occurrence, even in the burbs), recreation, and "because I can." (It is Texas, after all.) My FIL, a California Democrat who's actually a Republican but won't admit it, owns a boatload of guns, mostly for the last reason although he did make my tiny MIL learn to shoot a tiny handgun that she is "supposed" to carry but doesn't, as "protection."*
But "paranoia" surely must have diagnostic criteria. Home invasion is real but not particularly targeted - is that fair to say? If you live in a populous area and have an alarm system, it's not considered paranoid, because home invasions do happen and you might win that unfortunate lottery. "Anti-trans violence," though, like racism, seems to have a higher demand than supply (unless you're talking about angry, deceived johns, I understand): if you put in an alarm system because you're afraid you may be targeted by anti-trans hoodlums, that's - subjectively anyway - tinfoil hat territory.
There are celebrities and public figures with legitimate personal safety concerns who correctly see themselves as targets. But a random trans person? Especially when the non-trans people who are mad at trans women are actual women, and therefore unlikely to mount a physical attack, and those (theoretically - I think they're probably more bemused) mad at trans men are men, most of whom wouldn't attack a person they see as a woman?
* My tiny MIL, in her early 70s at the time, fought off a much larger woman trying to snatch her purse in a Target parking lot. She's formidable, armed or unarmed. But - fair enough - she's still a woman and therefore WILL lose to a man - hence my FIL's wanting her to have an equalizer in their somewhat rough city.
...describing her ownership as a precautionary measure against the potential of anti-trans violence..." (emphasis added)
Is there any data supporting the existence of "anti-trans violence"?
Transphobia is a selfie and domestic dispute. The sims and homos are socially distanced through principles of political congruence ("=") under the albinophobic... Rainbow banner and rhetoric.
Again with the complexities bullshit. There are no "complexities" to gun ownership if you "identify" as trans. Your 2nd Amendment rights are the same as everyone else, with certain local differences that are slowly being eliminated (thank the Lord).
However, if you are taking medication that cause psychiatric problems or if you already have diagnosed psychiatric problems, legally buying and possessing firearms becomes less simple.
What is disgusting is the constant attempt to tie "trans" alleged struggles with the history of black Americans who really were second class citizens in the Democrat controlled South, really were being hunted on horseback by the democrat KKK. Not only is this insulting to those of us who have always advocated for Civil Rights, it is an attempt to create a reason for more trannies who should not have guns (the kind that I described in my 2nd paragraph) to kill off alleged conservatives who (the phrasing suggests) are the "same ones" who normally defend gun rights.
After all it's not the progressives, liberals, Democrats and Socialists who "defend gun rights" is it? FUCK the New Yorker and it's slimy attempts to throw shade at 2A Advocates.
BarrySanders20 said...
The vast majority of supporters of the individual right to keep and bear arms also support restricting or prohibiting the mentally ill from possession and ownership. Trans-folk by definition are mentally ill. It is a rational categorical restriction
Exactly and entirely. Though I do enjoy watching the Progs tie themselves in great knots of hypocrisy and delusion.
"Local differences" meaning the remaining blue cities that still try and control guns with their soon-to-be-sunsetted laws.
Does not compute, "Eden Fenn, a young trans woman"
Trans "women" are men.
All of the non-selfie trans violence has been sims aborting children, women, and men. Affirmative abortive ideation is a liberal abd progressive condition on the left relieving their "burdens". h/t Obama
See your recent post about the Zizians for reasons to believe transexuality may be related to dangerous mental instability. Unfortunately, few mental health professionals in good standing are allowed to say so.
Eden Fenn
Eden Fenn, a young trans woman, told me. She called herself 'the definition of a reluctant gun owner,' describing her ownership as a precautionary measure against the potential of anti-trans violence....
Eden Fenn has never been a woman. Eden Fenn has only ever been a man.
Eden Fenn has no idea what it is like to be a woman. The only thing he feels is what he thinks a woman feels like. He doesn’t know what a period is or what morning sickness feels like because he has never felt them.
That is why Gender Dysphoria is a defined mental illness.
These people think they feel something they can’t even actually define or describe from their own experience.
What is disgusting is the constant attempt to tie "trans" alleged struggles with the history of black Americans
Yes, exactly! My (typically) long comment above was supposed to include this point, but I'm very sleep deprived today.
It "worked" for gay rights - that's the template. "Worked" is in quotes because not all Black Americans love that it is the template. I have heard that still fewer love that it's now being used for "trans rights," which of course consist of special privileges not afforded non-trans people, rather than actual civil rights.
Blaming the victims. NYeT (suspicious), never, other than following a progressive principle under the Pro-Choice religion.
Sims are another bloc in the wall under the DEIst umbrella. Just like People of Black, babies, etc.
Gender Dysphoria is a phantom menace celebrated for leverage and forward-looking profits a la AIDS etc among trans/homo male couplets in social liberal club.
Determining if someone is mentally ill is pretty subjective and prone to abuse, but I think if you insist on something that is clearly and provable false, like men can get pregnant, or you can change your gender at will, or the Earth is flat, then you win a certificate. That's why nobody had a concealed carry permit back when people thought the earth was flat.
Was that really part of Taney's argument? Apparently, it was at least a part of it.
It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognized as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished; and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went. And all of this would be done in the face of the subject race of the same color, both free and slaves, and inevitably producing discontent and insubordination among them, and endangering the peace and safety of the State.
All I know is that if crazy Audrey Hale had had her firearms taken away then teo educators, three young children, and a school custodian would probably still be alive today.
Or people who believe babies are delivered by Stork. Or people who conflate logical domains. Or people who follow scientific philosophy and practice outside of a limited domain of reference front the observer..
Gender (i.e. sex-correlated attributes) can be changed through grooming and simulated through novel amendments and carving, or chemical castration.
What is disgusting is the constant attempt to tie "trans" alleged struggles with the history of black Americans who really were second class citizens in the Democrat controlled South, really were being hunted on horseback by the democrat KKK.
The left routinely defines people as mentally ill. They have treated black people like this forever.
Conflating black and trans is probably meant as a term of endearment.
As the belief you can change your sex by merely saying so is, and always will be, a sign of severe mental illness you're immediately prohibited to legally purchase a firearm.
The article is 100% Grade A buffalo shit.
Firstly; I can say as someone who's plugged into the firearms community that absolutely no one in the firearms community is talking about this.
Secondly; Maybe the trans community wouldn't have had that this problem, which as far as I can tell boils down to Nancy Mace shooting her big mouth off, if they hadn't been running around in t-shirts with pictures of rifles on them that said "Watch out, motherfuckers!" . (A point surely lost on the nasty wine moms, both male and female, who staff the New Yorker.)
Thirdly; The only redeeming quality this article has is the delicious bit of irony in their quoting a trans woman named Margaret Killjoy.
bagoh20 said...
Determining if someone is mentally ill is pretty subjective and prone to abuse, but I think if you insist on something that is clearly and provable false, like men can get pregnant, or you can change your gender at will, or the Earth is flat, then you win a certificate. That's why nobody had a concealed carry permit back when people thought the earth was flat.
That is usually the definition of mental illness when you claim to believe something that is provably untrue and not a matter of opinion or subjective in any way.
It is not possible for a man to feel like a woman. They have no experience to even know what a woman is supposed to feel like.
That is why Gender Dysphoria is a mental diagnosis of illness.
Is there any doubt that if a hetero male violently assaulted a "trans-person" with hatred as motive, that hetero male would be Derick Chauvined before the cops could get him to jail?
The threat of significant anti-trans violence seems to be imaginary. On the other hand, unless there is actual evidence of mental illness with violence as a component, or strong evidence beyond the statistical demonstrating some genuine psychological link between transgenderism and violence, transpersons should not be denied the benefits of the Second Amendment.
If rights may be taken on a purely statistical basis, then black males, and perhaps more broadly all males, could be deprived of the right to bear arms. The burden of proof to deprive any individual person the right to bear arms must be on the state, and it must be high.
No, Sims should not be subject to a minority report, another bloc in the wall under the DEIst umbrella and aligned corporations. Neither should Trans (e.g. homosexuals), generally. Not even the politically congruent ("=") projecting hate and fear on others. Oh, #HateLovesAbortion.
boatbuilder, your point about denying people civil rights on the basis of statistical behavior of a group they belong to is an excellent one. But...
I ordinarily take no drugs (the current period of surgery recovery notwithstanding) so it was easy for me to get my concealed carry permit before Texas went constitutional-carry. And it's been awhile, so I don't remember whether there were drugs - prescribed drugs for diagnosed conditions - that people could take that would have disqualified those people (for instance, drugs to control schizophrenia). But if there are such special conditions in a state, then surely we'd want to know whether cross-sex hormones EITHER indicate that a person's mental condition is so fragile and potentially dangerous, to them or others, that they shouldn't be allowed to own a gun, OR themselves constitute a drug that further destabilizes an already unstable person.
In order to determine whether cross-sex hormones behave like psychoactive OR illicit drugs in trans people, we need honest research. Can we get some?
a href="https://thegunzone.com/what-mental-conditions-disqualify-from-firearms-ownership/">What mental conditions disqualify from firearms ownership? (The Gun Zone)
ATF Guidelines on firearm ownership and mental health (PDF)
"Mental health is often weaponized against the trans community...."
Sure... NOW they're concerned.
My nephew's girlfriend's brother, pretty far out there on the autism spectrum, started to transition to a woman at age 20 in 2022. To me, it was an obvious extension of his life's pan-dysphoria. There were no impediments placed in his way other than physical reality. He took his own life in 2023. So this was my unscientific sample size for assessing transgenderism up close. I'd rather they didn't have guns, but don't see a legal pathway to getting there.
I'm sure Achilles would agree that combat related PTSD is a mental illness that should be disqualifying of 2A rights.
People who entertain abortive ideation as a religious rite should not have access to guns, knives, and other weapons to prosecute Planned Presidenthood, Planned Personhood, Planned Parenthood and other modes of PP.
People who judge and label life a "burden" should probably monitored for progressive propensities and transhumane temperament.
when a certain cohort has a certain preponderance of violence look at the last nine shooting incidence, maybe there should be some discretion I'm just saying,
Howard said...
I'm sure Achilles would agree that combat related PTSD is a mental illness that should be disqualifying of 2A rights.
How does PTSD cause you to believe things that are provably untrue that you will insist are true even when the truth is right in front of you?
If a soldier sees al qaeda coming over the hill all of the time they should get treatment.
That is not an argument to let a bunch of men who think they are women have guns.
byron comes from the baffler, which is the most baroque argumentation ever,
'its what color is the moon, in your sky' bewildering,
In the words of RS McCain, crazy people are dangerous. If you think you can change sex by putting on a dress, you're crazy.
tim curry made them seem mostly harmless, but they are more like bill skargaard,
There's a movement in the UK to divorce the LGB from the T. The trans activists are queering the deal for the LGB folks, many of whom would prefer to live and let live.
Homosexuals are in the transgender spectrum. The movement is a bigoted effort to socially distance from simulants. The only reason to do this is the same reason why progressive liberals use the fetus technical term-of-art to socially distance themselves from their victims and DEIst (i.e. class-disordered ideologies) philosophy. And abort the albinophobic banners and rhetoric that is an ancient irrational hate and fear of People of White.
That said, civil unions for all consenting adults. #NoJudgment #NoLabels
Pedophilia and other transsocial sexual orientations under Democratic law, too, Equivocal and Inane/Insane.
While homosexuals are in the spectrum, they are politically congruent ("=") but not equal to simulants. Their disorder is stable, for one. While a minority is transsocial (e.g. grooming), harvesting babies from womb farms), the majority are individually respectable and productive, and while their transgender orientation and unions in couplets has no redeeming value to society or humanity, it is tolerable, nothing to celebrate or take pride.
To me, it was an obvious extension of his life's pan-dysphoria.
This precisely describes the soon, now in his 30s of very good friends. We met him at age 11; he clearly was on the autism spectrum. They were the best parents to him - but pan-dysphoria is exactly what he suffers from. He frequently wore a full Gorton's Fish Sticks yellow rain slicker and pants when he was in a crowd, or when with just his parents understanding friends, a wetsuit, or a hazmat suit.
Things are not great for him at present. I am not encouraged by your acquaintances tragic end.
So, Democrats are now pro-2nd amendment. Next thing you know they might engage in actual debate and dialogue.
Trans rights and minority rights are a smokescreen. The tradition of gun control followed the fantasies of the urban establishment and ultra wealthy for 100+ years. See the 1934 NFA (the very rich FDR), the 1968 GCA (TV station millionaire LBJ), and the Biden era (billionaire Michael Bloomberg).
The "price 'em out" strategy included openly racist Saturday-night Special laws, the $200 tax on the most naughty guns, and additional regulatory hoops. Few cared about what the middle and upper classes did with guns.
Red-flaw laws and whatnot are silly demagoguery, as there are 50 ways to leave your lover and many more ways to cause mayhem. On a relative mayhem scale:
* 1,000,000 = Drones carrying payloads beyond line of sight
* 10,000 = Chemicals, poisons, and biological materials (e.g., access to a water supply; aerosols; pairs with drones)
* 500 = Rental trucks and farm fertilizer / diesel fuel (unregulated, effectively impossible to regulate, and ignored; see Oklahoma City)
* 150 = Any large truck (crowd ramming events; no one suspects a basic truck; no one prepares)
* 100 = Guns (line-of-sight, one-by-one, accuracy matters, potential damage is a function of crowd access and positioning, generally heavily regulated)
* 75 = Any car (crowd ramming events, but small)
* 50 = Kitchen knives, box cutters, and random scrap metal (various global knife attacks; silent but deadly)
* 25 = Wire, rope, rocks, sticks, baseball bats, golf clubs, crowbars, wrenches, etc.
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