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October 17, 2025

Sunrise — 7:07, 7:08.

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FullMoon said...: Possibly not related, but weather here has been better since Trump was elected.; 10/17/25, 6:48 PM
n.n said...: Heark! A light through yonder dark sky breaks. It is the sun and I will no longer be captive to the darkness.; 10/17/25, 6:56 PM
FullMoon said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 10/17/25, 7:10 PM
Gospace said...: Headline from the South China Morning Post:
China expels He Weidong, Miao Hua and 7 other generals from party and military

I wonder if all the Chinese district court judges approved...; 10/17/25, 7:15 PM
FullMoon said...: Campaigning against Trup, Hillary referred to Fox as fake news.
Trump turned it around and now the phrase belongs to him referencing MSM.
Maybe he will do same thing with "fuck". Use it against opposition frequently to minimize its vulgarity.
Frankly, fuck used to be way more special. Was used when dad gonna get the belt. Now, used when latte gets cold.; 10/17/25, 7:16 PM
tcrosse said...: The Times (of London) informs us that Debbie Harry is now 80 years old. Never my cup of tea, but she's still not too hard to look at.; 10/17/25, 7:19 PM
narciso said...: Its too bad laura brannigan died so young; 10/17/25, 7:22 PM
Hassayamper said...: Frankly, fuck used to be way more special. Was used when dad gonna get the belt.

I remember when I first heard the word from my father's lips. I was about 7 and doing my best to "help" him with chopping some fireplace wood after he went in the house to take a leak. I was not experienced with a full sized axe, and cut a big gouge in my shoe that missed my big toe by a millimeter or two, just as he came back out of the house to resume work. I didn't get the cane that time; I think he was just happy I was uninjured and had learned a lesson.; 10/17/25, 7:24 PM
rehajm said...: I’ve realized I’m so old I remember when ‘big fucking deal’ was ballsy and celebrated…; 10/17/25, 7:25 PM
Hassayamper said...: The Times (of London) informs us that Debbie Harry is now 80 years old. Never my cup of tea, but she's still not too hard to look at.

It doesn't seem possible.

In her prime, I thought she was the most gorgeous woman who ever sang on a stage, and precious few could match her voice. Her ravishing beauty blows Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, and all the others right out of the water.; 10/17/25, 7:29 PM
rehajm said...: She wore one of those bitd green leathery onesies for the Blondie musical guest numbers on SNL…magic; 10/17/25, 7:30 PM
narciso said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 10/17/25, 7:40 PM
William said...: The n-word now has far more potency than any obscenity ever had. You'd get banned from TV for saying fuck out loud, but your wife wouldn't leave you and take custody of the children as would happen if you got caught saying the n-word. The ancient Israelites would get struck dead if they uttered Yahweh out loud. That's the only word with comparable power.; 10/17/25, 7:40 PM
Kakistocracy said...: President Donald Trump commutes former New York GOP Rep. George Santos' prison sentence ~ Fox News

George Santos, model Republican! If grifters don’t look out for one another, who will?; 10/17/25, 7:43 PM
narciso said...: https://www.tiktok.com/@blondieofficial/video/7464662177354435871; 10/17/25, 7:43 PM
narciso said...: The word is shibboleth

I think that word shouldnt be used ', it doesnt rob it of its power' no one should but we know it doesnt work that way; 10/17/25, 7:46 PM
William said...: Blondie not only looked like that, but she looked the way her music sounded.....There was something immersive about the way she looked and sounded......I wonder why her acting career never took off. She was better looking than the average movie star.; 10/17/25, 7:47 PM
narciso said...: That was the best link i could find and yowza; 10/17/25, 7:47 PM
Leland said...: I’m glad to see Kak supports the heavy prosecution of political opposition. Gird your loins, Kak. It’s your turn.; 10/17/25, 7:47 PM
narciso said...: Besides videodrome which i vaguely recall; 10/17/25, 7:48 PM
n.n said...: Laura Branigan - Gloria

She left us too soon, but not alone.

Blondie - Heart Of Glass

Debbie is fun.; 10/17/25, 7:52 PM
narciso said...: We remember as they were in their peak; 10/17/25, 7:57 PM
Inga said...: “President Donald Trump commutes former New York GOP Rep. George Santos' prison sentence ~ Fox News

George Santos, model Republican! If grifters don’t look out for one another, who will?”

Next up, Ghislaine Maxwell. If pedophiles don’t look out for each other…; 10/17/25, 7:59 PM
narciso said...: Put it away your outrage is fake; 10/17/25, 8:01 PM
n.n said...: Once I had a love and it was a gas

Soon turned out to be a pain in the ass
- Heart of Glass

Life is chaotic, evolutionary.; 10/17/25, 8:03 PM
DINKY DAU 45 said...: Yes George is FREE a Fraud just loves another Fraud, Beautiful ! MAXWELL up Next . Hey sky is the limit when you got the SCOTUS in the bag and BASICALLY full AMNESTY if you just say its normal business ,Good work Roberts and crew. King George would be pleased...; 10/17/25, 8:04 PM
tcrosse said...: Debbie Harry at 80. An Interview; 10/17/25, 8:05 PM
Jupiter said...: Chicks ruin everything.; 10/17/25, 8:10 PM
Peachy+2 said...: JD Vance on X: "A friend shared these truly disturbing messages from a Young Republican group chat. The group's leader "genuinely" calls for murdering the children of his political opponents. Oh wait, actually this is from Jay Jones, the Democrat running for Attorney General in Virginia. Testing; 10/17/25, 8:11 PM
Jupiter said...: Well. OK. Almost everything.; 10/17/25, 8:12 PM
buwaya said...: Debbie Harry was the reason I survived disco.; 10/17/25, 8:13 PM
n.n said...: Chicks are hot, fun, complementary, and not a bloc act.; 10/17/25, 8:20 PM
Leland said...: This is just wrong. I hope the right people get involved and fix this: https://youtu.be/TxExBnSg2xI; 10/17/25, 8:31 PM
Peachy+2 said...: George Santos - LOL. Big deal! Big big deal.

President auto-pen pardoned actual criminals. 3000 of them.; 10/17/25, 8:32 PM
Peachy+2 said...: Leftists care about a Group Chat; 10/17/25, 8:38 PM
Peachy+2 said...: The Democrat Party/ Crook Joe - allows a Hamas Nazi to enter illegally.; 10/17/25, 8:49 PM
Peachy+2 said...: eee gads; 10/17/25, 9:00 PM
Aggie said...: Well, there's a big No Kings rally that's been paid for, for this weekend, so I guess Trump thought he would add a Queen to the mix.; 10/17/25, 9:04 PM
RCOCEAN II said...: Good that Santos sentence got commuted. Never did understand what he did that deserved 7 years. The justice system is insane. Killers serving less 5 years and getting out. Or even getting 1 year in jail ! Muggers or people assaulting others and putting them into the hospital getting 1 year in jail. Other criminals committing 40 crimes and still running loose.

One standard of justice for D Pols and another for R's. Biden pardoning his whole family and the J6 committee after trying to put Trump in jail, and prosecuting almost every Trump associate. Craziness.

Legislatures and Congress need to drastically reduce the leeway these judges have in passing down sentences and laying down $ judgements in civil trials. The Judges cant be trusted anymore.; 10/17/25, 9:12 PM
RCOCEAN II said...: I think Alex Jones is a bozo and borderline crook, but 1 billion dollar judgement for defaming Sandy hook. Thats absurd, given Sarah Palin couldn't get a nickle when the NYT's defamed and lied about her. Again, no equal justice under the law.; 10/17/25, 9:14 PM
RCOCEAN II said...: Around my area - No Kings, No shows, No fucks given.; 10/17/25, 9:15 PM
Eva Marie said...: This is Trump’s statement:
“George Santos was somewhat of a “rogue,” but there are many rogues throughout our Country that aren’t forced to serve seven years in prison. I started to think about George when the subject of Democrat Senator Richard “Da Nang Dick” Blumenthal came up again. As everyone remembers, “Da Nang” stated for almost twenty years that he was a proud Vietnam Veteran, having endured the worst of the War, watching the Wounded and Dead as he raced up the hills and down the valleys, blood streaming from his face. He was “a Great Hero,” he would leak to any and all who would listen — And then it happened! He was a COMPLETE AND TOTAL FRAUD. He never went to Vietnam, he never saw Vietnam, he never experienced the Battles there, or anywhere else. His War Hero status, and even minimal service in our Military, was totally and completely MADE UP. This is far worse than what George Santos did, and at least Santos had the Courage, Conviction, and Intelligence to ALWAYS VOTE REPUBLICAN! George has been in solitary confinement for long stretches of time and, by all accounts, has been horribly mistreated. Therefore, I just signed a Commutation, releasing George Santos from prison, IMMEDIATELY. Good luck George, have a great life!”
I’m very happy Trump did this.; 10/17/25, 9:21 PM
Breezy said...: “No Kings” rallies are so silly. No one disagrees with that.; 10/17/25, 9:21 PM
Peachy+2 said...: Democrats assume they own power. Like kings.
So the whole thing is mass-projection and mental illness.; 10/17/25, 9:23 PM
Jim at said...: “No Kings” rallies are so silly. No one disagrees with that.

Actually, I think they're successful.

What's this, their second one? And ... still no kings.
Kudos.; 10/17/25, 9:36 PM
Yancey Ward said...: The only reason Santos was charged and convicted is because he was a GOP congressman. I have no problem with fighting a double standard justice system with this commutation. The GOP who think they can fight such a system using "muh principles" other than this will have their supporters kneeling before a trench waiting for the bullet in the back of the head at some point in the future.; 10/17/25, 9:43 PM
Peachy+2 said...: If Trump were really a king - everyone at these self-obsessed rage-rallies would lose their heads. funny how that never happens.; 10/17/25, 9:49 PM
Yancey Ward said...: I discovered Blondie in the summer of 1978 when a local radio station played their first two albums back to back on a midnight radio show- I was a fan from that point forward and wore out the cassette recording I had made of that broadcast. I got "Parallel Lines" through the record club membership in 1980 and bought "Blondie", "Plastic Letters", "Eat to the Beat", and "Autoamerican" on vinyl by the end of 1980. I wore them out over the next 4 years.

My favorite video is this one. Of the 34 million views as of right now, I bet over 500 of them are by me over the last decade.; 10/17/25, 9:55 PM
Yancey Ward said...: The thing about the "Atomic" video is that Debby Harry could make a garbage bag look really, really good.; 10/17/25, 9:57 PM
Krumhorn said...: Brewers heading back to monitor the vats and line up clean bottles.

Dodgers about to hoist a few with a NLCS win. Sorry, Cheeseheads.

- Krumhorn; 10/17/25, 10:03 PM
Yancey Ward said...: Like I predicted months ago during the big winning streak- the Brewers would go tits up against the Dodgers. Sorry to see it since I detest the Dodgers.; 10/17/25, 10:23 PM
Rt41Rebel said...: I’ve always had a crush on Debbie Harry. She was scheduled to play a small bar venue in my town in the 90’s. I bought two dozen roses for her. Her show was canceled at the last minute due to weather. I sold the roses to a bartender who had a fight with his GF.; 10/17/25, 10:26 PM
Iman said...: Yancey… I made the same call. Hate the Dodgers, but they are a well-oiled machine and I don’t see anyone beating them this year.

Oh… also… Rock (and Blondie) lost one helluva drummer with the recent passing of Clem Burke. The guy was phenomenal!; 10/17/25, 10:29 PM
Moondawggie said...: And the Big Dodger in the Sky continues to smile down on the City of Lost Angels...; 10/17/25, 11:18 PM
BudBrown said...: 5 days a Brewers fan.; 10/17/25, 11:45 PM
Leora said...: I was noticing people claiming that Blue States have higher GDP than Red States. I was wondering what the numbers would look like if government spending was excluded from GDP. I recall Murray Rothbard had a formula for this but I don't see that anyone is tracking that number - which he called PPR for some reason.; 10/18/25, 12:06 AM
Clyde said...: Re: Blondie, I stumbled across this song a couple of years back. It's an interesting early version of a song that later became a hit after they reworked it. From Wikipedia:

[Debbie] Harry said that "'Heart of Glass' was one of the first songs Blondie wrote, but it was years before we recorded it properly. We'd tried it as a ballad, as reggae, but it never quite worked", and that "the lyrics weren't about anyone. They were just a plaintive moan about lost love." It was only when the band met with producer Mike Chapman to start work on Parallel Lines that Harry recalled Chapman "asked us to play all the songs we had. At the end, he said: 'Have you got anything else?' We sheepishly said: 'Well, there is this old one.' He liked it – he thought it was fascinating and started to pull it into focus."

Once I Had A Love (AKA The Disco Song) (1975 Version / Remastered 2001)
https://youtu.be/M6bsNGBGhNE?si=XLgEJepPNu1TPdA4; 10/18/25, 3:45 AM
Humperdink said...: If the World Series goes to game 7, it will played in November.; 10/18/25, 4:47 AM
Leland said...: The last hoorah before the Astros season cratered this year was sweeping the Dodgers in LA. I wish the Brewers could have done the same.; 10/18/25, 4:53 AM
Saint Croix said...: Question for Mamdani that nobody asked:

"Sir, I have heard it said that Communism has never been tried. Now, my understanding is that in Russia, people calling themselves Communists tried it. And of course they impoverished everybody, established a dictatorship, and Stalin murdered tens of millions of people. And in China, people calling themselves Communists tried it, and they impoverished everybody, established a dictatorship, and Mao murdered tens of millions of people. And in Cuba, people calling themselves Communists tried it, and impoverished everybody. People sit in tires and try to float out to Florida to escape. They lined the gays up against the wall and shot them. In Venezuela, people calling themselves Communist tried it, and impoverished everybody. People are desperate to escape Venezuela. We do not know how many innocent people were killed in Cuba and Venezuela, because the Communists are still running things there. So, I have two questions, sir.

1. Are you a Communist?
2. And if you are a Communist, will this be the first time in the world that Communism has been tried?; 10/18/25, 5:43 AM
Saint Croix said...: The good news, I guess, is that Mamdani will not be going for a police state. Because he hates the police. Defund the police. His new plan is to have social workers be the "first responders" to 911 calls in domestic disputes.

That works great until the first social worker is shot. And then the second social worker is shot. And then social workers quit answering the phones when the 911 calls come in.

That's when Mamdani decides to bring in a police force that we can all trust. And he announces a $30 million contract with Antifa to police the city.

I'm just hoping that Trump can resist sending in the national guard until after the November mid-terms. Can you hold out until December 2026, NYC? Please? Here's some prep music for you:

Lawyers, Guns, and Money

Life During Wartime; 10/18/25, 6:05 AM
Saint Croix said...: Andrew Cuomo says, "Hey, all I did was kill off your grandparents and fondle your daughters. Not looking so bad now, am I right?"; 10/18/25, 6:06 AM
rehajm said...: Harry’s playfulness belies her image as the impassively cool frontwoman of a band who shimmied insouciantly between punk, pop, disco and hip-hop.

…that’s a great line.; 10/18/25, 6:27 AM
Saint Croix said...: This is the best essay I've read in years. And men have made this argument on the Althouse blog a lot. But Helen Andrews really nails it, with analysis and explanations that really hit home with me.

The Great Feminization

I agree 100%. And we've seen this in our political parties, too. The Republicans are more and more the man party, and the Democrats are the woman party. I'm seeing it in corporate HR departments, speech codes in schools and workplaces, the ways Republicans respond to conflicts and the ways Democrats do.

I wonder if it's chemicals in our brains and bodies? How much testosterone we have, how much estrogen, how much serotonin, etc. Obviously there are many women who battle and fight. And there are many men who are consensus and team-players. But the culture-shift in our society, from a masculine one to a feminine one, is highly dangerous.

Risk-taking is important. And safety is important, too. It drives me up the wall that women, who have been in charge of children for the vast majority of human history, have adopted things like infanticide and castration. Because their consensus genes are telling them to go along with the culture and except the advice of authorities.

Oh my God. Help us.; 10/18/25, 6:57 AM
Saint Croix said...: Helen Andrews gives a talk.; 10/18/25, 7:02 AM
Saint Croix said...: Feminization = Wokeness; 10/18/25, 7:11 AM
Saint Croix said...: I meant to say "accept" not "except" at 6:57. I wish they would except it!; 10/18/25, 7:13 AM
Saint Croix said...: The funniest part of her talk is that man sitting right by her, the expression on his face when she says something. His eyes get so big.; 10/18/25, 7:16 AM
Saint Croix said...: It's kinda weird that Turning Point adapts and modifies a Commie flag. Also I don't care for the VP and his white power salute.

How about a red, white, blue flag? And an actual Cub Scout salute, with two fingers on the forehead? For those of us who don't read, but we like to look at the pictures. You look like a fucking Commie, man. You've got the beard, all you need is the army fatigues, and a cigar.; 10/18/25, 7:44 AM
Saint Croix said...: I feel like the Turning Point sickle is going to stab me in the ear.; 10/18/25, 7:45 AM
Saint Croix said...: And who puts their left fist up in the air? Commies!; 10/18/25, 7:46 AM
Saint Croix said...: Also, you don't know where your heart is. See a doctor. Get an X-ray. Is it beating? You are off by several inches, I think. You've got your hand on your breast plate.; 10/18/25, 7:47 AM
Kai Akker said...: ---- This is the best essay I've read in years. And men have made this argument on the Althouse blog a lot. But Helen Andrews really nails it,

The Great Feminization

Ditto here, Saint Croix. And this was also Jupiter's link at 8:10 pm.

One more bit from it:

If the legal profession becomes majority female, I expect to see the ethos of Title IX tribunals and the Kavanaugh hearings spread. Judges will bend the rules for favored groups and enforce them rigorously on disfavored groups, as already occurs to a worrying extent. It was possible to believe back in 1970 that introducing women into the legal profession in large numbers would have only a minor effect. That belief is no longer sustainable. The changes will be massive.

Oddly enough, both sides of the political spectrum agree on what those changes will be. The only disagreement is over whether they will be a good thing or a bad thing. Dahlia Lithwick opens her book Lady Justice: Women, the Law, and the Battle to Save America with a scene from the Supreme Court in 2016 during oral arguments over a Texas abortion law. The three female justices, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan, “ignored the formal time limits, talking exuberantly over their male colleagues.” Lithwick celebrated this as “an explosion of bottled-up judicial girl power” that “afforded America a glimpse of what genuine gender parity or near parity might have meant for future women in powerful American legal institutions.”
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But......; 10/18/25, 8:33 AM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Peachy+2 said...
George Santos - LOL. Big deal! Big big deal.

President auto-pen pardoned actual criminals. 3000 of them.

10/17/25, 8:32 PM

Kinda interesting not just who gets pardoned, but what kind of people do. Trump’s record shows a pattern — wealthy, connected, or politically useful figures: Manafort, Stone, Bannon, Flynn, and several GOP donors or celebrities.

Biden’s pardons, by contrast, have mostly involved low-level nonviolent offenders, especially people convicted of marijuana possession or decades-old drug charges.

To me, that difference says something about whose justice each administration prioritizes.

Yancey Ward said...
The only reason Santos was charged and convicted is because he was a GOP congressman. I have no problem with fighting a double standard justice system with this commutation. The GOP who think they can fight such a system using "muh principles" other than this will have their supporters kneeling before a trench waiting for the bullet in the back of the head at some point in the future.

10/17/25, 9:43 PM

Santos was convicted after a federal prosecution and pleaded guilty to wire fraud and identity theft — he wasn’t targeted just for being Republican. A commutation only ends the sentence; it doesn’t make the conviction go away. If we want less double-standarding, the answer is better, impartial enforcement and clearer, less-political clemency rules — not pretending convictions never happened.

I just wish someone could explain to me the slightest justification of Gov Greg Abbott pardoning Daniel Perry.; 10/18/25, 8:37 AM
Kai Akker said...: But to consider some of the argument: Wokeness is the outgrowth of political correctness, IMO. And PC was around from the '90s on, at the least, maybe the '80s. Does this square with the majority-female thesis?

Secondly, the strong leftist tilt in both those phenomena IS political, not just cultural. It's where the '60s civil rights followers went. That was not a gender-based movement.

That said, the U.S. is probably the most feminized society ever, as far as I know. And its results are terrible and leave us highly vulnerable to the modern Goths, Visigoths and other ambitious groups.; 10/18/25, 8:37 AM
narciso said...: We have an actual chinese agent in congress actually several of them; 10/18/25, 8:47 AM
MadTownGuy said...: Los Angeles County declares state of emergency over immigration raids

"The declaration was passed on Tuesday by a 4-1 vote.

Los Angeles County officials voted on Tuesday to declare a state of emergency over ongoing federal immigration raids.

The proclamation gives the county the power to assist residents they say have been impacted financially by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) action.

The declaration was introduced by County Supervisors Lindsey P. Horvath and Janice Hahn and passed by a 4-1 vote, with Supervisor Kathryn Barger opposing.

Los Angeles County is home to over 3 million immigrants, according to supervisors, who said the ICE raids have "caused widespread fear" and led to "decreased attendance at workplaces, disruption of local economies, and strain on critical services such as schools, hospitals, and places of worship."

Rent relief for tenants who have fallen behind as a result of the ICE raids and money for legal aid and other services are among the provisions in the declaration.

The vote on Tuesday allows county supervisors to mobilize resources, request state and federal financial assistance to respond to the impacts of the raids and expedite contracting to address the crisis.

"What’s happening in our communities is an emergency — and Los Angeles County is treating it like one," said Horvath in a press release."Declaring a Local Emergency ensures that the full weight of County government is aligned to support our immigrant communities who are being targeted by federal actions."

ICE raids started in Los Angeles early June, prompting demonstrations that at times turned violent.

While President Donald Trump’s deportation push was initially said to be centered around undocumented immigrants with criminal records, an ABC News analysis of data in July showed that the administration has arrested an increasing number of migrants with no criminal convictions.

"For months, families have lived under threat and workers have been taken from job sites," Horvath continued. "This proclamation is about action and speed — it allows us to move faster, coordinate better, and use every tool available to protect and stabilize our communities. We will continue to stand with our immigrant neighbors — today, and for as long as it takes."

The emergency declaration will remain in effect until terminated by the board, according to the release."; 10/18/25, 8:55 AM
Curious George said...: "Leland said...
The last hoorah before the Astros season cratered this year was sweeping the Dodgers in LA. I wish the Brewers could have done the same."

Well, they did. Too bad it was in July. The also swept them earlier at home.; 10/18/25, 8:59 AM
Kai Akker said...: Oh, and Bob Boyd's citation of the Feminization article at 7:11 pm in the Ann Frank/Slam Frank post. He excerpted a key quote. So this thing is getting attention; good!; 10/18/25, 9:02 AM
john mosby said...: St Croix: " You look like a fucking Commie, man. You've got the beard, all you need is the army fatigues, and a cigar."

Well the Right is no longer the conservative party - there is nothing left to conserve. The Left is the status quo. So the Right is now the revolutionary party. That's something Trump realized ten years ago. A red cap is a cheap, easily distributed identification marker for the partisans, like a French Resistance beret or a Sandinista neckerchief. Note that Trump, supposedly trying to make money off his politics, never trademarked MAGA or the hat or tried to suppress knockoffs. More hats = better, even if no one's buying them from him.

Army fatigues/cigar: great suggestions. Veterans run mostly MAGA. And in today's nanny state, smoking is an act of civil disobedience. CC, JSM; 10/18/25, 9:21 AM
Yancey Ward said...: Ronald, no one is buying your horseshit- had Santos been a Democrat he would still be in the House as I write this and every honest person knows it. Whether or not what he did is criminal, the fact remains that he would not have been investigated and charged had he been a Democrat. The evidence for this is literally overwhelming- the double standard for the two parties is as obvious as your head up your ass.

I proposed a way to reform this problem- allow a defendant to choose which federal court district in which to hold his trial. What say you? Let me guess- you don't like that path to reform and want to pretend that we can get a non-partisan justice system by putting the right people in charge.; 10/18/25, 10:22 AM
Ronald J. Ward said...: There’s something interesting in your proposal, Yancey. If a defendant could pick their judge and jury and still got convicted, would you then agree they weren’t targeted? Or would that verdict still be part of the same ‘double standard’?

Realistically, only defendants with money or political connections could afford to shop for a favorable district — the average citizen wouldn’t even get a map, let alone a choice. That kind of ‘reform’ would widen the gap between political elites and everyone else.

It’s also curious how outrage over selective justice seems to appear only when it’s a Republican like Santos or Perry. Abbott literally pardoned Daniel Perry after a jury conviction for murder — no talk of equal justice there. If we’re serious about fairness, we can’t just see injustice when it happens to “our side.”; 10/18/25, 10:38 AM
Jaq said...: "If we’re serious about fairness, we can’t just see injustice when it happens to “our side.”"

So what we should do is sit back and take it when Democrats pauper Trump's impeachment lawyer, Giuliani, for example, for what, exactly, was he stripped of all of his wealth, and why did he have his computers and phones seized? For doing his job in Ukraine investigating the source of the impeachment? Or was it for some things he said that harmed nobody in any objectively detectable way?

Why was Giuliani destroyed, and if we just sit back and let stuff like that happen to our side, and never fight back, will you give us a pat on the head? Is that the idea?; 10/18/25, 11:00 AM
narciso said...: Giuliani got in the way of the country team, that helped cover up a bribery scheme that ended in the Privat bank collapse,; 10/18/25, 12:03 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Jaq, I don’t think anyone’s suggesting people should ‘sit back and take it.’ Accountability isn’t persecution if it’s based on evidence and due process. Giuliani wasn’t ‘destroyed’ for doing his job — he’s faced the consequences of choices he made.
The seizures and disbarment didn’t come out of nowhere. They stemmed from documented actions: pushing false election claims in court that judges ruled had no evidence, and failing to meet basic professional standards. The FBI searches were authorized by warrants signed by judges — meaning there was probable cause, not politics.

I’d say the real double standard is when we treat accountability for one side as justice, and for the other as persecution. If we defend truth and law only when it’s convenient, we’re not defending justice at all.; 10/18/25, 1:49 PM
Jersey Fled said...: Note the difference between commuting a sentence and a pardon.; 10/18/25, 4:47 PM