Althouse: Highly organized to say not highly organized.

October 11, 2025

Highly organized to say not highly organized.

New talking point directive just issued #AntifaDoesntExist pic.twitter.com/1BbAe8ql0q
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) October 10, 2025

120 comments:

Achilles said...: They used to get away with this. Dan Rather is out there whining about CBS under Bari Weiss. He ran this crap for decades. Cronkite was an inveterate liar too. Our corporate media has been a catastrophe since TV was invented.

Now we have X.

These people are just slow to adapt to the new reality. Their masters will stop funding them just like they sold CBS now that they lost the power to openly lie and X pulled the curtain aside.; 10/11/25, 8:50 AM
rehajm said...: Yah that’s what Al Qaeda and the mafia said, too. We had no problem figuring out their org charts either.; 10/11/25, 8:52 AM
Wince said...: “I a not a member of an organized terrorist group, I’m a Democrat.”

- Will “Antifa” Rogers; 10/11/25, 8:54 AM
rehajm said...: …some doosh here was chastising me because I was pointing out how well organized and funded these supposed organic militants. They don’t exist because government hasn’t proven they exist, so the suggestion goes. One need only observe MSM video with a bit of an educated eye to conclude otherwise. There’s a fucking craft services table in Portland for chrissakes…; 10/11/25, 8:57 AM
rehajm said...: A Craigslist ad for paid protesters and a person who answers an ad for paid protesters- two laters of an organization chart. That’s highly organized…; 10/11/25, 9:00 AM
Political Junkie said...: That is awesome. How did Our Hostess come to put that together, I wonder?; 10/11/25, 9:02 AM
Not Illinois Resident said...: Such vehement denial from Democrats is compelling evidence of Antifa's actual existence. After all, "Antifa" entity has many searchable websites and platforms to inform their members and followers on how to be "Antifa" activists. how to arm themselves. How to promote themselves. How to prepare themselves for street actions that will cause violence and risk of arrest.

Now ask yourself: why are Democrats so adamant that Antifa isn't "organized"? I think it's because so many leftist-leaning organizations and NGOs dutifully fund Antifa-identified groups, and that's a bad look for these non-profit businesses that process Federal monies that eventually windup subsidizing Antifa cells.; 10/11/25, 9:02 AM
rehajm said...: …come cause trouble at our events. Are you muscle? Got weapons skills? You’re mob security- over there. Medical skills? Here’s a medical kit. Be ready. Oh, a sex offender? We’ll pay you a year’s salary to burn shit and if you get arrested our lawyers and Hawaiian judges will protect you.

Highly organized…; 10/11/25, 9:04 AM
Sally327 said...: "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

I think part of the anti-fascist ideology would be to avoid presenting an easily identifiable structure that has roles and rules and process. All these people are not proving that Antifa doesn't exist, they're actually doing the opposite, because it's supposed to be elusive, hard to pin down, not easy to bag and tag. For practical reasons as well of course.; 10/11/25, 9:06 AM
rehajm said...: somewhere there’s a strategy team disseminating the msm talking points. More organization layers…; 10/11/25, 9:07 AM
Temujin said...: These are the same people who, a couple of years ago, were using the name QAnon in every other sentence to tell us how Republicans were run or influenced by this group.

To this day I've never heard QAnon mentioned in any conversation with any conservative, anywhere.

The organized left ate up the media industry a long time ago. Only recently did independent or right-sided thought start to make it out to the masses. X had so much to do with that. Parler was starting to, but the left got Parler exterminated. Unfortunately for them, that just pissed off Elon Musk and he took it from there.

These people in this video, and the companies that employ(ed) them, should be shunned and ignored to the point of letting them go out of business.

I love that CBS employees and those watching Bari Weiss stepping into the fray are wringing their hands and whining aloud as if this is the end of Truth. These people kidnapped the truth years ago. It's been so long they can't even recognize the truth any longer as it walks by them.; 10/11/25, 9:08 AM
rehajm said...: I’m so sick of the word gaslighting but that’s what’s happening- inviting you to believe the altered reality these dumb Americans who show up to create violence are just an organic uprising of like minded citizens equally passionate about the plight of Palestine or their concern for illegal immigrants.; 10/11/25, 9:14 AM
Marty said...: Ah, more experts experting. Got it.; 10/11/25, 9:15 AM
rehajm said...: …covering important stories, with a pillow until they stop moving…; 10/11/25, 9:16 AM
Enigma said...: The Democrats fell into messaging lockstep way back during the 2020 George Floyd and BLM era. Pelosi was sort of honest in 2019 when she said "all lives matter" rather than "black lives matter."

Hang together or hang separately.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/pelosi-responds-to-black-lives-matter-question-i-think-that-all-lives-matter/; 10/11/25, 9:16 AM
Big Mike said...: Since when does “highly organized” require a business-like hierarchical structure with clear lines of authority?; 10/11/25, 9:27 AM
Ficta said...: "There is no Mafia" - Tony Soprano; 10/11/25, 9:28 AM
Jamie said...: Among many other things, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress lines out in detail how to set up a revolutionary organization without rendering that organization vulnerable to betrayal or discovery.

Obviously, it's not that Heinlein invented the concept of revolutionary cells. I'm just saying, the info has been really - one might say blatantly - available for a long time.

Furthermore - my ex, from my brief youthful first marriage, loved his copy of The Anarchist's Cookbook, which had lots of useful tips about how to destroy things, and although anarchists are supposed to eschew organization, it certainly read like an org manual.; 10/11/25, 9:29 AM
mezzrow said...: Alinsky nods. The capture is complete.; 10/11/25, 9:30 AM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Antifa is like Casper the friendly ghost 👻
They don’t want to scare people, but because people scare easily, they live a very lonely existence. Sad really.; 10/11/25, 9:33 AM
rehajm said...: This week in Boston an organic group of like-minded mostly peaceful protesters blocked a police response to an unrelated incident. There were several arrests but the response from Boston is nothing like Portland. Sure they all made the sizable bail despite no visible means of income but they’ve been charged with real felonies and may actually stand trial. Even the commie Mayor has disavowed them. That might create from unique incentives to future mostly peaceful protesters…everywhere…; 10/11/25, 9:41 AM
Ronald J. Ward said...: What’s happening here is a replay of a familiar con. When fear becomes the product, power becomes the payoff.

We’ve seen this movie before: the “war on terror” convinced millions that shadowy networks justified invading Iraq — even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Now, the “war on Antifa” sells the same illusion at home.

Those in the clip are right: Antifa isn’t an organization. There’s no headquarters, no membership, no funding structure — just small, often spontaneous groups of people who oppose fascism. Yet the Trump administration inflated this into a national threat to justify federal force in cities that didn’t ask for it.

Just this week, Trump said: “For years, an Antifa-led hellfire has turned Portland into a wasteland of firebombs, beatings, and brazen attacks on federal officers and property.” He continued to lie; “I don’t know what could be worse than Portland. You don’t even have stores anymore.”

Both claims are false — and both serve the same purpose: to scare Americans into accepting heavy-handed control.

The pattern never changes. Lie or exaggerate the chaos. Flood the media with images of fire and broken glass — even if they have to recycle footage from years ago, from the Floyd protests that happened on Trump’s watch — and then claim only stronger federal force can restore order.

Those who buy into this narrative aren’t defending America. They’re being used to normalize a government that treats dissent as terrorism. That’s not patriotism. That’s manipulation by fear, wrapped in a flag.

And by the way, are the Proud Boys still “standing by”? Or with troops, is that actual organization simply no longer needed?; 10/11/25, 9:45 AM
n.n said...: Antifa is an on-call terrorist organization.; 10/11/25, 9:48 AM
Aggie said...: I'm waiting for Jerry Nadler to pound the table and demand to see an Organization Chart for Antifa, just before he sh*ts himself again.; 10/11/25, 9:48 AM
Ann Althouse said...: "That is awesome. How did Our Hostess come to put that together, I wonder?"

You can click through and see the source at X. It's not my montage.; 10/11/25, 9:52 AM
Peachy said...: Soviets. Democratic party soviets.; 10/11/25, 9:55 AM
Beasts of England said...: Just because they’re highly coordinated doesn’t mean they’re highly organized. C’mon, you guys!! lol; 10/11/25, 9:56 AM
Peachy said...: The corrupt Soviet-Dem leftist media must hide and cover for all leftwing violence.; 10/11/25, 9:56 AM
RCOCEAN II said...: Every media outlet except Fox News is run by the same Leftists. Hence, the talking points.; 10/11/25, 9:59 AM
Original Mike said...: It's telling that they all compare the non-existence of Antifa to the Proud Boys. Talking points.; 10/11/25, 10:00 AM
RCOCEAN II said...: BTW, "The proud boys" are not a terrorist group. But its usual abuse of language by the MSM. Antifa doesn't exist or do protests that are "mostly peaceful" . The J6 protesters were "insurrectionists".; 10/11/25, 10:01 AM
Original Mike said...: Temujin said...
These are the same people who, a couple of years ago, were using the name QAnon in every other sentence to tell us how Republicans were run or influenced by this group.

To this day I've never heard QAnon mentioned in any conversation with any conservative, anywhere."

My 90 year old mother, staunch democrat, was all QAnon this, and QAnon that. Sure, Mom.; 10/11/25, 10:02 AM
Jamie said...: Much less the Oath Keepers! Men who commit to their wives and families - terrorists.. And they wonder why their credibility stands in the teens.; 10/11/25, 10:05 AM
John Henry said...: Achilles

Not just rather, Cronkite et al. It goes back to the 30s when st Edward of Murrow was helping to inveigle the us into the European war. (see Citizens of London by Lynne Olsen)

Cbs and the others have always been a propaganda arm.

My question is whose?

John Henry; 10/11/25, 10:06 AM
Peachy said...: We don't hate the Democrat party Media - enough.; 10/11/25, 10:06 AM
Peachy said...: Note the timing of the coordination.

LOL - Hey Jimmy - your network reveals Antifa-Nazis are real.; 10/11/25, 10:08 AM
Peachy said...: Just go to Andy Ngo on X.
He's got so much footage of Antifa.. and the Democratic Hack press just ignore him.; 10/11/25, 10:11 AM
Peachy said...: A Woman in Sweden - attacked and targeted by European Nazi-Antifa thugs.; 10/11/25, 10:11 AM
Peachy said...: It always gets better.

New York City Antifa member Talia Jane Ben Ora was at Jan. 6 in a MAGA costume. She was never charged with any crimes that day.; 10/11/25, 10:13 AM
Peachy said...: Andy Ngo

@MrAndyNgo
"The anarchist-communists in Antifa are trying to overthrow the US government and destroy the concept of borders & nations. Their motto is: “Become ungovernable.” To try to achieve that, they commit acts of depraved, nihilistic ultraviolence."

Media(D) - wish to help them out.; 10/11/25, 10:14 AM
Jupiter said...: The way you can tell is their lips are moving.; 10/11/25, 10:15 AM
Peachy said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 10/11/25, 10:17 AM
Peachy said...: Antifa's latest stunt; 10/11/25, 10:17 AM
Enigma said...: Antifa: What happens when a country does not have a defined external enemy. Without the Crusades, or Manifest Destiny, or the Protestant vs. Catholic era, or other similar ideas, aimless zealots and nihilists turn their hated to their home countries.

They might die as heroes or as villains, but they always demand to die.; 10/11/25, 10:19 AM
Viva Maria said...: Sally327 @ 10/11/25, 9:06 AM

" ... the devil ..."

Yes.

"And like that, poof. He's gone."; 10/11/25, 10:24 AM
Quaestor said...: In 1968, most Americans knew Bobby Kennedy as the assassinated brother of the assassinated 35th President of the United States. They knew he was an announced candidate for that same office and that someone with a strange foreign name, Sirhan Sirhan, had shot him in a hotel corridor. They didn't know why Sirhan Sirhan murdered Kennedy, just some lunatic with a gun lusting for fame. End of story.

That changed for many the following year with the publication of Mario Puzo's novel The Godfather. It was about a father and his sons accumulating wealth and power through crime and corruption, and then they remembered Kennedy's term as Attorney General of the United States, a part of his biography they had forgotten during the Nacht und Nebel of the press's obsession with the Vietnam War. Under Kennedy's management, the Justice Department exposed something called "organized crime". People knew criminals operated in gangs. That was longstanding: the James gang, the Dalton gang, the Dillinger gang. Hollywood had explained all that. But criminals organized like a major international corporation with executives and directors, with partnerships with governors and judges, with alliances with foreign dictatorships? That was new and strange. Bobby Kennedy had tried to alert us, but we got distracted. Now there's this new book, a runaway best seller, talking about the same thing Kennedy talked about, but from the perspective of within that criminal world, a world with a strange name, a foreign name taken from Sicilian slang, Mafia, those who swagger.

The year after that, 1970, a new civil rights movement erupts fully-formed and armed like Athene from the brow of Zeus, the Italian-American Civil Rights League, led by an obscure New Yorker, a self-described businessman, one Joseph Colombo, a man from the shadows, demanding the excision of a word -- the M-word, a word as insulting to Italian-Americans as the N-word to African-Americans. Colombo says there's no such thing as the Mafia. It's a myth, a chimera invented by a hack writer in search of fame and fortune. Sure, there are Italian criminals; all ethnicities have their deviants, and sometimes they band together in twos and threes, sometimes more, like the Scots-Irish James and Younger brothers. But there's no Mafia, no Cosa Nostra, overseeing everything. The Valachi hearings? Nothing but the ravings of a career thug bartering for special treatment rather than a prison cell.; 10/11/25, 10:29 AM
Quaestor said...: The highly organized effort to debunk the notion of highly organized criminality has been seen before.; 10/11/25, 10:34 AM
tommyesq said...: The highly organized effort to debunk the notion of highly organized criminality has been seen before.

Antif-omerta; 10/11/25, 10:51 AM
stunned said...: Written in 2023.

This research focused narrowly on American Antifa seeking to better understand why most of the world is transitioning from socialism to capitalism, yet Antifa wants to eliminate capitalism. This exploratory research focuses on applied economics as related to violent threats against businesses.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4810345; 10/11/25, 11:21 AM
Achilles said...: Ronald J. Ward said...

What’s happening here is a replay of a familiar con. When fear becomes the product, power becomes the payoff.

Excellent. I find your terms acceptable.

Antifa aren't that important to Democrats. You wont mind if we arrest them and the people funding them then.; 10/11/25, 12:32 PM
Bob Boyd said...: International Marxism has always operated this way, in secret, largely underground, Stalin's Comintern for example.
Read 'Out of the Night' by Jan Valtin, a terrific book in its own right. Valtin was an alias of Richard Krebs. The book is an incredible, autobiographical account of his time working world wide for the Communist Party as a professional revolutionary, agitator and spy in the 1920's and 30's. You won't regret reading it. Very well written and memorable.
What they are doing and saying today hasn't changed much.; 10/11/25, 12:46 PM
gilbar said...: ..They don’t exist because government hasn’t proven they exist, so the suggestion goes..

i assume that this is Just Like:
* voter fraud DOESN'T EXIST!
we Know that, because we've found NO EVIDENCE
we've Never looked for evidence, because it DOESN'T EXIST!

* or is it like J Edgar Hoover claiming organized crime didn't exist?
(because they had film of him in a dress being buggered by black men); 10/11/25, 1:06 PM
gilbar said...: https://medium.com/@cfmarciano/the-mob-denier-j-edgar-hoover-the-mafia-and-the-coverup-that-protected-a-secret-83554d302651; 10/11/25, 1:08 PM
Bob Boyd said...: they had film of him in a dress being buggered by black men

Hoover was into all that before it was cool.; 10/11/25, 1:12 PM
Tina Trent said...: That's funny. I just got my log-in invitation to their national zoom meeting today through the current organizers, XRUS.; 10/11/25, 1:19 PM
RJ said...: Looks like Mr. Ward is doing the weekend shift for DNC talking points.; 10/11/25, 1:32 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Achilles, it’s my understanding that Antifa’s core belief stems from the conviction that, had they taken to the streets in Nazi Germany, they might have prevented the Holocaust. That doesn’t excuse violence, but it does explain the historical mindset behind it.

And to your question — yes, in any civilized society, anyone committing acts of violence should be arrested and prosecuted. That includes violent protesters, rogue federal agents, and public officials like Kristi Noem who flout the law. I also believe Trump should face impeachment and federal charges for his actions.

As for “those who fund Antifa,” I’m not aware of any credible evidence that such a funding network exists. If you have something more than social media rumor or political talking points, I’d genuinely be interested in seeing it.; 10/11/25, 2:08 PM
Tina Trent said...: Ronald, do your own work. Go to Guidestar and look at the 990s for AFSC, Food Not Bombs, The Ruckus Society, OSI, and so on. It's too bad your fascist friends erased my reports detailing the funding from the internet, but I can't be bothered to repost all that stuff, now that free speech has crept back in on its tiny legs.; 10/11/25, 2:28 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Tina, that familiar dodge — “do your own research” while providing nothing verifiable is a bit sophomoric wouldn’t you say? And it’s almost always because there isn’t solid evidence behind the claim.

I’m familiar with Guidestar and Form 990s. What you’re referring to are nonprofit disclosures for public-interest or humanitarian groups — not evidence of anyone funding an “Antifa organization,” which, again, doesn’t exist as a legal or structured entity.

If you or anyone else had specific IRS filings showing direct payments to organized violent activity, that would be a serious point. But citing the existence of groups like AFSC or Food Not Bombs isn’t proof of criminal funding — it’s just listing nonprofits with social-justice missions that predate the “Antifa” label by decades.

If credible documentation exists, I’m open to seeing it. Until then, vague allusions to vanished “reports” don’t make a case; they just recycle a narrative built to justify more fear and less truth.; 10/11/25, 2:40 PM
Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...: Unless your Nazi fighting grandpa who landed on Normandy was a pro-communist anarchist, it’s unlikely he had much in common with the terrorists who call themselves antifa today,; 10/11/25, 2:44 PM
Mason G said...: The people telling you there is no antifa are the same ones who told you that Biden was sharp as a tack and that the clot shot would prevent you from getting covid, along with any number of other moronically stupid things.

So there's that...; 10/11/25, 3:08 PM
Lazarus said...: Have the Proud Boys ever committed a terrorist act? They were founded by a comedian for heck's sake. They were at the capitol Jan 6th and were prosecuted like everyone else there, but what did they actually do?

Portland Antifa has a website for Pete's sake. The groups texts and emails are an indication that they do have some sort of organization. It's been the case that much terror has been conducted by small cells over the years. Antifa is probably more of an organization than some groups that have carried out horrendous terror acts.

I don't doubt that Hoover was homosexual. The photo stuff, though, sounds like typical Mafia bragadoccio.; 10/11/25, 3:11 PM
Beasts of England said...: ’Those who buy into this narrative aren’t defending America. They’re being used to normalize a government that treats dissent as terrorism. That’s not patriotism. That’s manipulation by fear, wrapped in a flag.’

Nice of Chuck to swing by and throw some shade for Antifa!! Didn’t have that on my Bingo card, but any anti-Trump port in a storm, I suppose. lol; 10/11/25, 3:21 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Not quite Lazarus, the DOJ did, in fact, classify the Proud Boys’ actions on J6th as seditious conspiracy — a charge that literally defines terrorism under federal law when used to influence government through violence. Several of their leaders, including Enrique Tarrio and Joe Biggs, were sentenced to lengthy prison terms for planning and coordinating the breach of the Capitol. That’s not a comedy routine — that’s domestic terrorism.

As for Portland, a website or a shared Signal chat doesn’t make Antifa an “organization” any more than a Reddit page makes gamers a political movement. Small groups can absolutely commit violence — and when they do, they should be charged. But Antifa isn’t a structured network with leaders, funding, or hierarchy; it’s an ideology that anyone can claim, which is precisely why it’s been easy for politicians to turn it into a convenient boogeyman to dangle in front of the Basket of Gulibles.

If we’re talking about threats to democracy, the record shows who actually stormed Congress, assaulted police, and tried to overturn an election — and it wasn’t Antifa.; 10/11/25, 3:27 PM
Howard said...: Very convincing. Especially since they all happened to use the same talking points. That gives it a high degree of authenticity, organic, grassroots.; 10/11/25, 3:29 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Ha — I’ll take that as a compliment, Beasts. But there’s no “shade for Antifa” here, and I’m not sure facts qualify as an “anti-Trump port.” I’m pointing out a pattern we’ve seen before — when fear is exaggerated to justify power. It happened with the “war on terror,” and it’s being recycled now.

You don’t have to like Antifa to see that using vague enemies to expand government force against citizens is a dangerous habit — no matter who’s in charge. That’s not left or right. That’s just learning from history.; 10/11/25, 3:31 PM
cubanbob said...: Antifa was founded in Weimar Germany by the Soviet Union. To them, anything to the Left of Communism is fascism. The Soviets also created the Palestinian Liberation Organization, and just like cancer, if it has the ability to exist outside of it's original body, it will. It really should be against the law to be a paid striker or protester unless the actors is wearing clearly identifying dress. Violent paid protestors and strikers should also be compelled to serve enhanced sentences.; 10/11/25, 3:31 PM
Beasts of England said...: ’I also believe Trump should face impeachment and federal charges for his actions.’

Wow.; 10/11/25, 3:35 PM
Beasts of England said...: ’You don’t have to like Antifa to see that using vague enemies to expand government force against citizens is a dangerous habit — no matter who’s in charge.’

How can I like or dislike something which you claim is merely vague?; 10/11/25, 3:39 PM
Jim at said...: Antifa doesn't exist.

OK. Antifa exists, but it's just a small number of people and doesn't matter.

OK. Antifa exists and it's a good thing.

You know that's coming. If the left is one thing, it's they're predictable.; 10/11/25, 3:42 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Exactly Beast— that’s the point. You can’t meaningfully like or dislike something that isn’t a defined organization, and yet whole political movements are being rallied against it. That’s how propaganda works: create a vague villain that can be whatever the audience needs it to be.

We’ve seen the same playbook before — from the “war on terror” to the “Red Scare.” The target doesn’t have to be concrete; it just has to be scary enough to justify more power for whoever’s selling the fear.; 10/11/25, 3:44 PM
john mosby said...: Peachy: "New York City Antifa member Talia Jane Ben Ora was at Jan. 6 in a MAGA costume. She was never charged with any crimes that day."

Would be hilarious as hell to make her the one J6'er charged now! Great thing about the 1500 pardons is that they don't do anything to the legitimacy of the prosecution's case. Could just cut/paste her name into any one of the indictments. CC, JSM; 10/11/25, 4:04 PM
Beasts of England said...: ’You can’t meaningfully like or dislike something that isn’t a defined organization…’

But, of course, it does exist - regardless of your gaslighting. They have websites, merchandise, membership screening, and coordinated activities.; 10/11/25, 4:42 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Beasts of England — another disappointment. I was hoping our first exchange might be substantive, but instead, another predictable pivot: when cornered on logic, redefine “existence” to mean “someone online selling T-shirts.”

And aside from the irony of you accusing me of gaslighting — that’s just how definitions work. A website or merchandise doesn’t make something an organization any more than a “Blue Lives Matter” Facebook page makes every police supporter part of a single national group.

Antifa isn’t a registered entity, doesn’t have bylaws, officers, or a budget. It’s a label adopted by loosely aligned activists — sometimes peaceful, sometimes not — who share opposition to fascism. When individuals break laws under that banner, they should be charged for their actions, not for belonging to an invented hierarchy that doesn’t exist.

It’s telling that you can point to T-shirts and websites but not a single legal charter, leadership structure, or funding trail. That’s exactly why it’s been such an easy myth to inflate for the Basket of Gulibles — a ghost that can be whatever the next fear campaign needs it to be.; 10/11/25, 5:11 PM
john mosby said...: Not going Godwin here, but compare the Jews. The religion is very decentralized. Even the ethnicity and culture. Yet bad guys want to kill “The Jews,” and good guys want to defend “The Jews.” And the group is small enough - just 15 million worldwide - that killing them all is achievable if you have enough evil in your heart. So no one on either side would say “there’s no such thing as The Jews.”

Now apply this to Antifa. CC, JSM; 10/11/25, 5:23 PM
Iman said...: Look how organized the excuse-making opposition is. I see several weasels in that panel.; 10/11/25, 5:25 PM
Iman said...: Meh… Ward teh Cleaver with his usual gaslighting and falsehoods.; 10/11/25, 5:27 PM
Iman said...: Organized trust-funded, acne scarred, non-productive garbage. The only surprise is they aren’t unionized.; 10/11/25, 5:30 PM
Iman said...: Slick-suited ferrets do not convince anybody of anything.; 10/11/25, 5:36 PM
narciso said...: Those monkeys wont write hamlet any time soon; 10/11/25, 5:39 PM
Rocco said...: Ronald J. Ward said...
“What’s happening here is a replay of a familiar con. When fear becomes the product, power becomes the payoff… The pattern never changes. Lie or exaggerate the chaos… Those who buy into this narrative aren’t defending America.”

That’s a rather distinct summary of Trump Derangement Syndrone.; 10/11/25, 5:46 PM
Jamie said...: Just a bunch of unaligned individuals who "share opposition to fascism." And everyone is letting him get away with it.

No definition of fascism, that is. He's hiding the real issue behind the "there are no chapters or secretaries or meeting minutes" bs. What's "fascism," Ward? And what's "opposition"? Because I'm here to tell you, everyone in this commentariat is opposed to fascism. But we certainly don't agree with what you mean by the word, nor what your fellow travelers (that's a thing, right, that we all can agree does exist?) are willing to do in the name of opposing their definition of it.; 10/11/25, 5:54 PM
Jamie said...: Rocco @5:46, exactly: the functional definition of "fascism" for those who proudly, loudly, and uniformly share the name Antifa is "whatever Trump does."

Also - JSM@5:23, a very interesting analogy.; 10/11/25, 5:56 PM
boatbuilder said...: You can’t meaningfully like or dislike something that isn’t a defined organization

What manner of nonsense is this? I dislike you, Chuck, and you are not a defined organization.

All of a sudden it's OK to be a terrorist if you're just part of a loose ideological group who happen to subscribe to the same goals, methods, and tactics?; 10/11/25, 6:01 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: It’s interesting how quickly the discussion collapses into name-calling and deflection the moment facts are introduced.

To John Mosby’s analogy — Judaism is, of course, a coherent religion and culture with millennia of shared texts, traditions, and institutions. Antifa is none of those things. It’s not a faith, ethnicity, or organization — it’s a political stance: anti-fascism. You don’t need a membership card to oppose fascism any more than you need one to support democracy. The difference matters, because conflating ideology with organization is precisely how governments have historically justified suppressing dissent.

And to the others hurling insults: I get that it’s easier to attack the messenger than the evidence. But none of this changes the record — there is no legal entity called “Antifa,” no bylaws, no leadership, no funding trail. What there is, is a recurring effort to inflate a label into a national threat so that federal power can be expanded in the name of “order.”

If that doesn’t concern you, it should — because the target of that kind of power grab has a way of expanding to include anyone who disagrees.; 10/11/25, 6:06 PM
Jim at said...: Antifa doesn't exist. La, la, la, la.
Antifa doesn't exist. La, la, la, la.
Antifa doesn't exist. La, la, la, la.
Antifa doesn't exist. La, la, la, la.

Just stfu already.; 10/11/25, 6:09 PM
narciso said...: They vandalize attack terrorize thats their mo; 10/11/25, 6:11 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Jim, I’ll give you this — you’ve managed to fit the entire depth of your argument into one line. The chanting part at least had rhythm; the “stfu” just confirmed you ran out of words.; 10/11/25, 6:22 PM
Peachy said...: Ron Ward- You're just another foolish democratic liar, toady and fraud. the only point to you - is your bullshit.

btw
Ron ward said - "Antifa isn’t a registered entity, doesn’t have bylaws, officers, or a budget."
That's laughable. Antifa is not an HOA.

If that is your argument - that is not even worth the time to type a response .
- Ron Ward is regurgitating leftwing talking points.
Clue - those do not work around here. Hence - you are going to be called names - because your arguments are that poor.; 10/11/25, 6:32 PM
Peachy said...: Ron Ward -
clink on all my links above for a small taste of Antifa thuggery.
The reason yo lying leftists are all gaslighting everyone - using the same tired and lame talking points - is because suddenly you all realize you are losing.; 10/11/25, 6:34 PM
Peachy said...: Antifa are Nazi Brownshirts. Look up your history, Ron Ward.; 10/11/25, 6:36 PM
Peachy said...: Ron Ward thinks Antifa should operate like an HOA.
With bylaws! and Covenants... and budgets ... and officers.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. lol.; 10/11/25, 6:41 PM
narciso said...: https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1977077005876445600 worse than hoas; 10/11/25, 6:45 PM
Peachy said...: Yes. Keith Ellison takes a photos of himself with the Antifa handbook - and publishes it. Now he is denying Antifa exist.
LOL.
Lying lairs who lie - your name is Corrupt lying asshole democratic.
You can all go fuck yourselves.

Here is Narciso's link; 10/11/25, 6:52 PM
Peachy said...: Testing to see if this Image of Keith Ellison works; 10/11/25, 6:53 PM
Peachy said...: I guarantee the Corrupt Democratic party used REDDIT to build and create hate-fueled assassins. Charlie Kirk's assassin.; 10/11/25, 6:59 PM
Mason G said...: "Just an idea"? So is Santa Claus. You don't see much of an effort by anyone, anywhere to convince people that Santa isn't real, do you?; 10/11/25, 7:16 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Interesting concept, Mason. So, kind of like Santa — people keep swearing they’ve seen Antifa’s headquarters at the North Pole, but somehow never have proof?

Give it a minute, though — entering stage right someone asking why the “leftists” hate Christmas and Santa.; 10/11/25, 7:31 PM
Quaestor said...: "I’m not aware of any credible evidence that such a funding network exists."

There are none so blind, Ronnie.; 10/11/25, 8:05 PM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Well Quaestor, I’ve been begging for some light so why precisely is that such a tall order?; 10/11/25, 8:26 PM
Peachy said...: They have headquarters in the basements - with their furry cock suckers.; 10/11/25, 8:41 PM
Clyde said...: Gaslight amped up to Klieg light.; 10/11/25, 8:48 PM
Peachy said...: X has Antifa all over it.
check out the fever-hate of the fake enemy they want to kill.; 10/11/25, 8:49 PM
Peachy said...: Antifa-nazi talking points track parallel to Democrat Party/Democrat-Media talking points.; 10/11/25, 8:54 PM
Peachy said...: I hope HOA Leftwing radical Antifa-nazi are preparing proper minutes.; 10/11/25, 9:12 PM
Saint Croix said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 10/11/25, 9:49 PM
Saint Croix said...: Highly organized to say not highly organized

Journalists organize to help Democrats. We've known that since the JournoList scandal.

That secret cabal was exposed by Mickey Kaus. So obviously they kicked him out of the clan.

Is there an organized cabal of journalists trying to help Antifa? I don't know, but it would not shock me.; 10/11/25, 9:51 PM
Bunkypotatohead said...: Well, if they don't exist then no one should miss them when they're sent to prison.; 10/11/25, 10:00 PM
Jim at said...: Jim, I’ll give you this — you’ve managed to fit the entire depth of your argument into one line.

No. That's your argument, dumbass.

I just didn't use 450 words to explain it.; 10/11/25, 10:05 PM
Peachy said...: Corrupt liars love secret meetings under cover. And then we get the hive-Soviet mass-talking points.; 10/11/25, 10:06 PM
Peachy said...: Look at the language NBC uses here.
Soviet assholes.; 10/11/25, 10:24 PM
Hassayamper said...: To this day I've never heard QAnon mentioned in any conversation with any conservative, anywhere.

I have ONE acquaintance who went pretty far down the Q rabbit hole, but he's a guy long known for having a few loose screws. Previously he was deeply into other conspiracy theories about things like the USS Liberty and the moon landings and the JFK assassination. Other than that, not a word, and believe you me, I hang out with a pretty right-wing crowd.

I paid modest attention to it for a few weeks back in the early days, and decided it was more likely to be a Democrat poisoned chalice than anything else.; 10/12/25, 12:19 AM
Ronald J. Ward said...: “To this day I've never heard QAnon mentioned in any conversation with any conservative, anywhere.”

That’s tribal loyalty mixed with motivated silence. That silence doesn’t mean acceptance isn’t there — it just moves underground. People can quietly believe that Mexico was going to pay for the wall lie, the election lie, the “Democrats run QAnon” narrative or even that masked goons are infiltrating Democratic cities and rounding up quotas is about removing criminals without ever saying it aloud. Tribal belonging takes precedence over truth because being cast out of the tribe feels worse than being wrong.

That’s actually what makes this all so interesting — the silence. The biggest indicator of tribal loyalty isn’t what people shout, it’s what they refuse to talk about. Whether it’s QAnon, the Ukraine “perfect call,” or Medicaid cuts that will hit red states the hardest to give more to the fat cats, there’s a kind of selective amnesia that protects the tribe from having to admit the obvious.; 10/12/25, 7:07 AM
Rocco said...: Hassayamper said...
“To this day I've never heard QAnon mentioned in any conversation with any conservative, anywhere… I paid modest attention to it for a few weeks back in the early days, and decided it was more likely to be a Democrat poisoned chalice than anything else.”

I imagine “Alt-Right” group meetings would end up like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmJ0HDbZi5M; 10/12/25, 7:13 AM
Rocco said...: Ronald J Ward said…
“That’s actually what makes this all so interesting — the silence. The biggest indicator of tribal loyalty isn’t what people shout, it’s what they refuse to talk about.”

I agree, Ron. The lengths that the left/democrats go to believe their dishonestly framed talking points about the election, the wall, ICE, etc, that you point out are astounding.

Two more examples: The silence - until reported by bloggers - around the killing of Iryna Zarutska by a person repeatedly let go by the authorities is a recent example.

Keith Ellison is now saying nobody (in his circle) knows what Antifa is. Yet he proudly tweeted a picture of himself holding a copy of the Antifa handbook a few years ago.

The quote from Iowahawk about covering stories with a pillow until they stop moving is as relevant as it was a dozen years ago when he made the observation.; 10/12/25, 8:09 AM
Ronald J. Ward said...: Rocco, I appreciate the agreement — though it sounds like we’re describing two different kinds of silence.

What I’m talking about is the refusal to question narratives that serve power — the kind of silence that lets fear campaigns or political myths thrive unchallenged while consolidating power.

Ellison posing with a book or a tragic story ignored by media may frustrate you, but neither explains why so many still can’t produce verifiable proof of an “Antifa organization” after years of claiming one exists. That’s the silence I’m referring to — the one that fills the space where evidence should be.; 10/12/25, 8:44 AM
Old and slow said...: How about the Provisional IRA? Were they a legally defined registered organization with bylaws and meetings? Or just a bunch of people with loosely defined shared beliefs?; 10/12/25, 11:00 AM
Rusty said...: It must be organized to some extent because members from across the country share information and act on it . That implies a hierarchy. As was already mentioned. Craft tables appear. There never seems to be a shortage of bricks and two by fours.
they are much better organized than the TEA Party. ever was.; 10/12/25, 12:47 PM
Rocco said...: Ronald J. Ward said...
“Rocco, I appreciate the agreement — though it sounds like we’re describing two different kinds of silence.

What I’m talking about is the refusal to question narratives that serve power — the kind of silence that lets fear campaigns or political myths thrive unchallenged while consolidating power.”

Me too. I think the high level, broad vision you present in that paragraph is important, and remind you said narratives. Plural. But having a monomaniacal obsession with org charts will lead you down a path that ends with your personal Pequod smashed to bits and you dragged down to the depths with the rope of a harpoon around your neck by the great white chart you seek. Stop being an Ahab, Ronald.; 10/12/25, 8:59 PM
Kirk Parker said...: Rocco,

> Stop being an Ahab, Ronald.

You still think he is commenting here in good faith.

Why???; 10/13/25, 12:25 AM

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