"It is now a think tank-approved, purportedly evidence-based method, that guarantees movement success.... But do they really have the empirical data? Ben Case is a longtime researcher. In his book, Street Rebellion: Resistance Beyond Violence and Nonviolence, he dug into this new secular rationalization for the cultural logic that all successful civil resistance is nonviolent. What he found was that [key scholars]... wound up classifying all kinds of movements that applied non-armed force—like rioting, property destruction, and sabotage—as being nonviolent because they didn't involve firearms and didn't cause more than 1,000 casualties.... The bottom line is that movements we think of as being nonviolent never really are. They are messy, emotional, and usually feature various levels of forceful resistance that can catalyze broader support and galvanize the dignity and will of an oppressed people. Further, I believe that the premise we should all remain calm and protest in an orderly fashion with our signs in one hand and our lattes in the other, or else we'll mess it all up, can make people tentative and afraid, perhaps naively faithful in the premise that fascists will concede power because we're asking them to.... Don't let anybody tell you that you are scientifically wrong about rejecting absolute pacifism. Maybe ask yourself, who would want you to believe in the scientific truth of absolute pacifism?"
October 20, 2025
"Have you heard this idea that if 3.5% of a population protests nonviolently, social change is a slam dunk?..."
It's a "No King's Day reality check" from AntifascistDad:
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THIS is non violent?? Teaching young kids to hate and "murder" the President of the United States because Mom and Dad are retarded??
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WATCH: Leftists cheer and high-five a masked child stabbing an effigy of President Trump.
Just imagine the media outrage if kids of Trump supporters did the same with a Kamala doll.
https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1980063106434056350
More children being taught to hate here...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/10/disgusting-children-beat-stab-trump-effigy-as-unhinged/
Maybe they mean "No [Martin Luther] Kings?
Buddy, if you want to start calling 'violence' a peaceful protest, be my guest. Don't be surprised if you find yourself pacified, though.
Go ahead, show us the pony tail, man.
In other words AntiFascist Dad is unhappy the protests on Saturday were nonviolent. He’s saying don’t trust the people who want you to be nonviolent. But all of the rallies for President Trump (and TeaParty rallies too) were nonviolent, happy, and fun. They accomplished a lot.
Tl;dr? False flag incoming.
You know, to galvanize support. He is 100% right, except that he doesn’t seem to understand that mewling about absolute non violence is part of the game, so that when the violence breaks out as planned all along, the outrage among the kind hearted lumpen is that much stronger.
Are you just propagating this message? No commentary? No rejection?
"Violence is Good". Antifa's Gordon Gecko.
So "non-violent" = no guns and less than 1000 dead? Wouldn't that make the Jan. 6th event non-violent? The plane that was deliberately flown into the Pentagon on 9/11 killed 64 on board and another 125 on the ground - by this definition, that was "non-violent?"
To summarize the video for those who didn’t watch it: non-violence sounds good on paper but it doesn’t work, so we’re gonna have to crack a few eggs to make our social Justice omelet.
How to spot a liar: vague data points quantified with extremely accurate numbers. Decimal points are usually the giveaway…
Don't make me tap the sign! If you support violence as a means to achieve political goals, you're not really *Anti*fascist any more. Are you?
I get the feeling this 3.5 percent number is being bandied about more motivate the people they’re paying to protest rather than some robust conclusion about results.
MLKjr and his closest circles were non-violent, but they knew that the Black Panthers and the little-known Deacons for Defense were doing their parts too.
Oh yeah, I had heard the 3.5% theory.
Hey, he's not wrong. You think the French gave up Algeria without a fight?
Antifascist Dad is a retard.
I went through a sampling of his videos. He is slightly more intelligent than the average Biden voter at best.
…and it would seem what was being protested would matter. 3.5 percent nonviolent protest of the letter E does not feel like a slam dunk…
He's basically correct that many leftist movements portrayed as "nonviolent" contained plenty of violence. What's notable is that he's saying openly what the Left has left unsaid for decades.
Is it rational to believe that such an approach will remain a tool solely for the Left, and what happens when non-leftists play this game?
Or: I don’t support violence, but non-violence doesn’t work.
From what I've read in the past- from memory, not looking it up- about 1/3 the population of the soon to be USA was loyalist, about 1/3 didn't care, and about 1/3 Patriot. The 1/3 that didn't care eventually became mostly Patriot as oppression was rule of the day for the British and their loyalist allies. 3.5% of the people being activists is enough on an issue where no one else cares.
It's likely <50% of the population supported prohibition- but those that did were noisy rabblerousers- and mostly female. Polling wasn't that common when it passed. A majority was against it when it was repealed. And still to this day polls say 17% of the population would support making alcohol illegal again.
On some issues it's who's willing to take up arms, and whether the other side is willing to take up arms to oppose...
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What I found interesting was how the local media (Charleston, SC television for example) covered the local No Kings protests. They portrayed the protests as something big, something meaningful. They said NOTHING about the screwy demographic.
Thus, they left the impression to the uninformed viewer (and sadly, there are bunch of those folks) that No Kings was an important occurrence. WRONG!
This lopsided — to the point of being silly for those in the know — coverage isn't at all surprising when you consider that most local media outlets are part of large media conglomerates who slant the coverage for their local affiliates in accord with their left-leaning point of view.
What these media dispsh-ts fail to grasp is that they're simply preaching to their choir, a choir — I might add — that is getting older and less relevant by the day. If you ain't in the choir, the coverage of No Kings was totally irrelevant.
It's a crazy world out there.
The 3.5% number is being taken out of context and misapplied.
It is only applicable if a strong majority of the population wants the current regime out of power and there is no common acceptance of the legitimacy of the regime.
This situation is different. It is a minority of parasites and losers who are losing elections.
Antifascist Dad is just a dumb leftist looking for justifications to kill his political opponents. The protests this weekend were a joke.
MAGA is many multiples of that percentage, and yes it has succeeded.
Another bullshit statistic from the party of losers and layabouts.
I also heard that the Covid vaccine prevents infection and stops the spread.
For example, an organization that exists to televise and manage a pro football league, let's call it the AFL, decides to allow an unhappy marginally good player to disrupt every game he plays in by ostentatiously kneeling during the National Anthem. Approximately 18% of their audience tuned out over the next two seasons.
They changed. They stopped with the stupid protests. Most of the audience came back but the NFL is pushing it again, having their stupid social justice sayings in the end zone, bringing in the top anti-ICE performer. The change was not lasting and Goodell did NOT learn his lesson.
I watched the video of the kid stabbing the Trump pinata and for the first time I thought about how men, women and kids on the left are being to trained to hate and how it is similar to what Hamas did in Gaza. I read comments on X and find I am not the only one.
The "shot heard 'round the world" refers to the first shot fired at the Battles of Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775, which ignited the American Revolutionary War. The phrase was coined by Ralph Waldo Emerson in his 1837 poem, "Concord Hymn". The origin of the first shot is still debated, with differing eyewitness accounts from both British soldiers and colonial militia, but its impact was to start the armed conflict between Great Britain and the American colonies.
What happened during the Boston Tea Party
The protest: On the night of December 16, 1773, a group of men, including members of the Sons of Liberty, boarded three ships—the Beaver, Dartmouth, and Eleanor—moored in Boston Harbor.
The action: The men, some disguised as Mohawk Indians to hide their identities, used axes to smash open the chests and dumped the entire cargo of 342 chests of British East India Company tea into the harbor.
The cause: The Tea Act of 1773 allowed the struggling British East India Company to sell its tea directly to the American colonies, which colonists viewed as a deceptive way to get them to accept a tax they had been boycotting. They were angry about being taxed by Parliament without having representation.
I'd bet real, cash money that "AntifascistDad" has never been in a fistfight in is life.
While there is debate on the exact impact of violent vs. non-violent protests, the overall anti-war movement, including violent and non-violent forms, contributed to ending the Vietnam War by eroding public support and forcing the government to re-evaluate its position. Non-violent protests, like large demonstrations and marches, are frequently cited as having a significant impact by raising national awareness and showing widespread opposition. The non-violent movement's actions, combined with violent confrontations and other factors like media coverage, collectively put pressure on policymakers and contributed to the U.S. withdrawal.
"The protests this weekend were a joke."
Yeah, that's what's bothering Antifa Dad.
BTW, 3.5% of 330 million is a bit over 10 million.
Trump will be no threat in a few months. The hate lesson seems short sighted….
I heard 6-7 million protesters nationwide, which is about 2% of the U.S. population. 98% of the country did not participate in the display of abject ignorance of our political system.
https://babylonbee.com/news/millions-gather-to-express-total-ignorance-about-political-system
"What he found was that [key scholars]... wound up classifying all kinds of movements that applied non-armed force—like rioting, property destruction, and sabotage—as being nonviolent because they didn't involve firearms and didn't cause more than 1,000 casualties...."
He left out doxxing and SWATting.
Nanking. There are precedents.
He clearly is advocating violence. He wants young people to force the government to respond with force. He wants to see video young people get their heads broken and see them shot. He understands the protestors won't gain the sympathy of enough of the population to make a difference until they are being injured and killed by police and soldiers in significant numbers. He's prepared to sacrifice them for the revolution. Thanks, Dad!
He's also flogging a book.
40,000 people protested here in Portland. If you didn't go over the Hawthorne or Steel bridges, or go downtown, you wouldn't have noticed. I drove to Vancouver and back and saw nothing.
However, boy, I prefer the old white people waving signs to the much smaller groups of white people trashing downtown every night. That's what happened in 2020-21. This is fine, let 'em do it.
rehajm said...
How to spot a liar: vague data points quantified with extremely accurate numbers. Decimal points are usually the giveaway…
This. 1000x this
Well, he's right that absolute pacifism is unworkable.
The Left's goals of the American Left, whether American Socialism, Maoism, Leninism, Mondamism, et alia, are ultimately all impossible to impose without violence.
Mao said "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". I'm sure Antifascist Dad thinks the world of Mao.
@Howard Not to mention that our involvement in Viet Nam was a stupid, political and ego driven decision in the first place. The American people were smart enough to figure out something that neither McNamara, LBJ, nor Westmoreland and the rest of the generals could: the war was un-winnable unless we wanted to send a million troops and take a lot more casualties. A lot of good people died because of those shith**ds!
Go ahead, run Kamala again. Or the next 'what' rather than a 'who.' See what it gets you.
"Yesterday in Chicago, on the perimeter of the NO KINGS rally, an activists speaking in front of a Progressive Labor Party sign exclaims, “You gotta grab a gun, we gotta turn around the guns on this fascist system. These ICE agents gotta get shot and wiped out. The same machinery that’s on full display right there has to get wiped out.”"
https://x.com/i/status/1979948400771481991
Sorry to interrupt the celebration, but, how is "No Kings" day not a success? We don't have a King. In fact the United States has never had a King... that I know of.
Minnesota farm guy: you make a great point. If the cause you are fighting for is just and true, you have a much better chance at success. I think having a draft also helped end the war because a lot more families were directly affected by the meat grinder.
Also I think that applies when even if your cause is another form of evil if the system you are attempting to overthrow is god-awful like Tzarist Russia, even the bad guys can win.
In our case today, the Animus towards the MAGA movement is over exaggerated by the corporate press and entertainment industry and has very vocal and passionate support but at a relatively low level That doesn't percolate through and resonate with the vast silent majority who don't go to protests.
rehajm said...
“How to spot a liar: vague data points quantified with extremely accurate numbers. Decimal points are usually the giveaway…
This. 3.1415x this.
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If 3.5% of the population is protesting non-violently or violently it's likely that more than 3.5% of the population is opposing them -- especially if the protests are violent.
Lem Vibe Bandit said...
“Sorry to interrupt the celebration, but, how is "No Kings" day not a success? We don't have a King. In fact the United States has never had a King... that I know of.”
Just like the left to bravely come out against something that hasn’t been an issue for decades or even centuries. No kings! No Nazis! No KKK!
What’s next, No Know Nothings?
The narrative machine is working overtime to drive the message that the anti-Trump movement is peaceful and non-violent.
Maybe their polling shows that the violence is hurting them and creating sympathy for ICE and the soldiers and cops in general.
Seems like what the No Kings rallies show us is that the Dems can turn the violence on and off as needed...at least for now.
Every mention of this protest on the media includes the adjective "peaceful", yet none I've seen mention Trump hate.
I think they are missing the real story.
Lots of interviews out there showing that many, if not most, of these protestors cannot verbalize a real reason for protesting. The real reason is of course that they lost an election. Can you imagine the crap hole we would be in if Biden or Harris won?
This douchenozzle is constantly mocked on X
No kings! No Nazis! No KKK!
What’s next, No Know Nothings?
No Progs would be good.
I know a couple of people who went to the NO KINGS rally where I live. They're not bad people, but they are old and get their "news" from the mainstream. At least one of them thinks that MSNBC is a credible source of information. I have given up trying to discuss the situation because it just pisses one of them off and the other gives me a "you poor deluded fool" look. They just can't wrap their heads around the fact that the legacy media is not actually reporting the news and the Democrat party is no longer the party of the working and middle class.
when the dude from big lebowski in a terry gilliam skin showed up at the Capitol, and people took him seriously, well thats when they jumped the shark
Figures lie and liars figure. Statistics is notorious for dressing up rank manipulation, propaganda, and distortions as authoritative. That vast majority of politically-related academic research since the 1960s and Civil-Right-Era-and-Anti-Vietnam-War intellectual purge has been left-biased. Several decades of earlier race/IQ research were swept under the rug. Lots and lots of stuff that made black people look bad was swept under the rug. And here, violent anarchists and criminals are transformed into pacifists.
The most common type of professor today: Sophist. Propagandist. Paid mouthpiece. But tenured and unable/unwilling to let go of their mother's teat. See the hypocrite's poster-boy Noam Chomsky.
“I have given up trying to discuss the situation because it just pisses one of them off and the other gives me a "you poor deluded fool" look.”
Don’t give up. People will never tell you they’re wrong. But maybe a comment here and there will start them thinking. And that’s all that’s needed.
The wish is father to the thought, of course, but there is a qualitative difference in the United States that makes this just-so story ludicrously inapplicable. Half or more of Americans have firearms in the house, and a thumping majority of those would use them to rid ourselves of any leftist revolution that seriously threatened to overthrow the duly constituted government.
I taught my kids almost from the cradle that outside of individual self-defense, there is only one thing worth killing or dying for, and that is to ensure that any attempt to enslave Americans to collectivism is totally exterminated. And I taught them to shoot very well, too. We are quite prepared for the counter-revolution, if the Left is so foolhardy as to thrust revolution upon us.
If there must be violence, let the sibilant, pony-tailed pussies with flowers on their shirts throw the first punch.
Jimmy Failla on twitter:
“ The biggest lesson from ‘No Kings’ is to make sure you have kids because they’ll give you grandkids who have football and soccer games that will keep you from wasting your 70’s protesting a non-existent monarchy.”
https://x.com/jimmyfailla/status/1979944699814424894
@Hassayamper: a thumping majority of those would use them to rid ourselves of any leftist revolution that seriously threatened to overthrow the duly constituted government.
Recall that just 5 years ago, the combination of Defund the Police 'mostly peaceful protests,' the COVID-19 lockdowns, the Jan 6 aftermath, and related stuff ramped up the perceived need for self protection in urban areas.
Many deep blue areas experienced massive waves of gun buying (e.g., California), while blacks started buying guns in huge numbers. This was a grassroots ideological transformation on the left, and totally missed by the old-school central command Democrats and their funders (e.g., Bloomberg).
One unforeseen zinger has been the rise of transgender violence/terrorism. The USA left is certainly no longer 'liberal' -- just aggressively but blindly pushing for change. I don't see much chance of a 20th century-style Marxist revolution today, as the 21st century world is addicted to smart phones and attention spans have fallen to nothing. It's all about impulses and making shallow statements, then back to social media.
"I'd bet real, cash money that "AntifascistDad" has never been in a fistfight in is life."
No bet.
In any event a fistfight is MILES away from AFD's definition of violence. It seems like lefties feel they can define, or re-define, any damn thing to "make" their point.
Here's a bet. If someone used a Louisville slugger to his skull, I'd bet he'd define it a extremely violent.
An American King is just an idea.
Farm guy: "the war was un-winnable unless we wanted to send a million troops and take a lot more casualties."
There is the theory that it was won by about 1972 - VC suppressed, HCM Trail interidcted, etc - and turned over to the ARVN with an excellent chance they could hold on, with continued US logistical support and maybe some air cover.
Which of course the Dems could not abide, so they denied that support, resulting in the NVA taking Saigon.
Fifty years later, this is what the Dems almost allowed to happen to the US. CC, JSM
Another thing you have to remember pre 1775 is there was no ready cash. The vast majority of people didn't have a shilling. So getting taxed to make an contract or transfer real property-the stamp tax- was totally unrealistic.
What fagdad forgets when he declares that revolutions must be violent is an event that happened not so long ago, the Czechoslovakian Velvet Revolution of 1989 led by Lech Walesa which overthrew the communist dictatorship and led to the fall of the entire Soviet Union.
But fagdad doesn't really want a non-violent uprising. Like many narcissistic, self-congratulatory libtard Democrat Party assholes, fagdad just wants to attack, hurt, maim, and kill people who disagree with him. When we say We Are All Charlie Kirk, fagdad nods and thinks about shooting us in the neck.
Any decent student of anarchism would know direct action rarely works by itself czarist russia was proof of that
“ Decimal points are usually the giveaway…”
Dammit, only 3.4% showed up! I guess we need to be violent instead.
This anti daddy needs to get a job on npr introducing ancient jazz cuts, perfect voice for it.
How can a movement centered upon "democracy" purport to believe that support by 1/30th of the population is somehow conclusive?
JaimeRoberto said...
“An American King is just an idea.”
True. There are no org charts. So it doesn’t exist.
Who Would Be King of America Today
(If George Washington had been made a monarch)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnBveop5no
What did "antifascist Dad" aka "far-left dad" think about J6. Was he murmuring that it was not particularly violent, and telling us "you can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs"
Or was he - like the other Liberal/leftists - screeching about "domestic terrorism" and "Insurrection"?
I take door number 2.
Saying that the revolutions we think of as "non-violent" weren't really, is just a rhetorical trick. Getting the British to leave India was non-violent. The violence occured when the Hindus and muslims started fighting. The civil rights bill was passed using non-violence. the big city riots and the black panthers came after 1964.
The Nazi takeover in 1933 was non-violent. Even though there was street violence between them and the communists.
But I really want to thank "far-left Dad" for reminding everyone that behind the mask for reasonableness the Left is pondering whether violence is the best option, from a purely pragmatic viewpoint. No morality involved.
If it was a real study they would say that if a mean value of 3.5% with a 95% CI of ( 2.0%, 5.0%) calculated at a significance level of 0.05 is present in riots ranging from a minimum of 500 to a maximum of 1 x 10^6 participants …
Even during our revolution only a small percentage, <10%, participated in any meaningful way. Inertia ruled the rest. Similar with the Nazi and Soviet communist parties.
@Michael Fitzgerald: Czechoslovakia had their non-violent (and unsuccessful) movement in 1968.
Well, since the whole movement is no longer concerned with Trump as fascist or dictator or (even more obscurely) oligarch, but monarchy, shouldn't it be restyled Antimo? And what is this theory: if Progressives can show that 3.5% (of the electorate, the entire population? or what?) show up at their No Kings demonstrations, the entire Constitutional order will have to dissolve? Really? And here I thought they were all about Muh Democracy!
A movement that can organically attract "3.5%" of the population into the streets, through word of mouth and widespread dissatisfaction, is a completely different animal than crowds gathered by billionaires among the narrow demographic that watches cable news and has lots of time on their hands.
@ Narr
And Lech Walesa led the Polish Solidarnosc trade union in the Gdansk shipyards. (That probably needs some funky accents or something that aren't on my keyboard.)
Narr, are you saying that the Velvet Revolution didn't happen in 1989? That it was a violent overthrow of the government? I'm not seeing your point.
Ah, okay, I see by Clyde that I confused Lech Walensa with Vaclav Havel. It's hard to tell those non-violent revolutions that overthrew communist dictatorships apart. They all look alike.
Gather 3.5% of the population for a protest and wait three years and just like that Trump will be gone! Amazing!
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