From "Patrick Hemingway, Ernest’s Devoted Second Son, Is Dead at 97/Inspired by his parents’ travels, he spent much of his life in Africa and helped complete his father’s safari memoir. He also published a volume of father-son letters. He was Ernest Hemingway’s last surviving child" (NYT).
Mr. Hemingway, who lived in Coconut Grove, Fla., had been arrested in nearby Key Biscayne for indecent exposure and resisting arrest without violence.... He was found dead in his cell at the Miami-Dade County Women's Detention Center at 5:45 a.m. on Monday, the paper said.
He was in the Women's Detention Center.
According to several news accounts yesterday, Mr. Hemingway often dressed as a woman, and was known among some friends as Gloria. He had undergone a sex change operation, according to Reuters.
Notice the different journalistic convention. The NYT stuck with what is now called a "dead name" and used the masculine pronoun, even for someone who'd had what today's obituary calls "transition surgery." It was "a sex change operation" back then. The NYT, in 2001, continued:
Gregory Hemingway was born in Kansas City, Mo., on Nov. 12, 1931.... Lorian Hemingway said her father had been living in Florida for more than 10 years. He was married four times, she said, but she did not know if he was married when he died. Lorian Hemingway, 49, said she was the oldest of Mr. Hemingway's eight children, all of whom survive him. He is also survived by a brother, Patrick Hemingway, of Bozeman, Mont.
It is Patrick who died 2 days ago.
From the Wikipedia article "Gloria Hemingway":
Throughout her life, Hemingway experienced gender dysphoria and wore women's clothes often, mostly privately and occasionally going out. When Hemingway was 12 years old, Ernest walked in on her dressed in her stepmother Martha Gellhorn's stockings, a near-daily activity at the time, and went berserk. A biographer Hemingway's, Donald Junkins, stated that when Hemingway was 60 years old, she told him that "[she] never got over it: the raging wrath of [her] father." However, a few days after the childhood encounter Ernest counseled "Gigi, we come from a strange tribe, you and I."
In 1946 Ernest's wife Mary accused the maid of stealing her lingerie, but later discovered the items under 14-year-old Hemingway's mattress. When Ernest rebuked her for stealing from Mary years later, Hemingway responded, "The clothes business is something that I have never been able to control, understand basically very little, and I am terribly ashamed of. I have lied about it before, mainly to people I am fond of, because I was afraid they would not like me as much if they had found out."
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I don't know where to begin....
I enjoyed this detour of one man’s obituary into the obituary of his brother who died 24 years ago.
All so very sad. And now, I'll promptly forget it. They, like me, all belong in a past century even if we're only just now winding up our lives.
Weirdoes all.
Not to get all Freudesque or anything, but didn't Papa die with his father's shotgun in his mouth?
A good example of what alcoholism does to families.
>Gloria/Gregory Hemingway...had been arrested in nearby Key Biscayne for indecent exposure...<
Wow, hard to believe...
This was very confusing. I'll have to reread.
Into that world, director John Waters created the then-aburdist-1970s countercultural films "Female Trouble" and "Pink Flamingos." The very eccentric and very gay Mr. Waters made humor from inherent absurdity.
Just a couple generations later, the left took these as documentaries and guidebooks.
Gregory might still have been Gloria’s legal name. We also don’t know about preferred pronoun. In any case, the death resulted in an inheritance dispute.
Gregory married Ida Mae Galliher in 1992, divorced Ida Mae in 1995, underwent a sex change operation, and remarried Ida Mae in 1997. Ida Mae claimed the widow’s share of the estate, but the children argued that the marriage was invalid because the couple were the same sex at the time of the remarriage (this was before Obergefell v. Hodges).
I don't know if it helps, but maybe the "dead naming" taboo has a caveat. It's not dead naming after you die... or something.
Dead men tell no tales. wait...
"Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales" is a 2017 fantasy film that follows Captain Jack Sparrow as he seeks the Trident of Poseidon while being pursued by ghostly pirates led by his old nemesis, Captain Salazar.
Spooky.
Confusing story and writing.
Maybe this will help.
Simulant? Homosexual? Bisexual? Transgender spectrum.
Transvestite? Transsocial, a drag, perhaps.
Confusing story and writing.
For at least the past ten years, every mainstream-media story touching on this mental illness has been confusing.
Yeah I had trouble following--can't tell the players without a score card.
Same sex pair is a couplet. A couplet is politically congruent ("=") couple. A couplet is invariably bigendered, where one partner exhibits predominantly one or the other og Nature's gender roles.
Accepting the left's "Dead Naming" rules involves efforts to comply with self-contradictory logic and requires cognitive dissonance. This is one reason why mental illness is 2x more common on the left.
"Who was the woman who starred in the film 'Hard Candy'?"
Wikipedia says "Elliot Page -- Credited as Ellen Page"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Candy_(film)
I got dizzy reading that.
Victor/Victoria... produced with a guffaw/giggle in gay delight.
Heartless Aztec: I think you mean winding down our lives. In any event speak for yourself. I continually wind up my life hoping that the springs will break catastrophically and not wind down slowly placing a burden on my family.
Classic autogynephilic behavior. What was he exposing indecently if he'd had surgery?
Did Ida Mae count as wife 3 and 4 or just 4?
Ernest counseled "Gigi, we come from a strange tribe, you and I."
Why Gloria and not Gigi? I can see Ernest as a repressed AGP, too. Maybe that was why he was so irate--he felt the urge.
I believe Earnest Hemingway's father committed suicide ~100-years ago
It's not dead naming after you die... because when you die "you are found"... I'm tempted to say after "you are found" that "you are born again". But Billy Preston song lyrics will just confuse things even more, if that's even posible.
"I was half, not whole, in step with no one
Reaching through this world, in need of one"
See what I mean?
I’m a fan of Jack’s daughter.
The fact that the NY Times cannot write clearly due to their attachment to portraying sexual exoticism as normal highlights their general untrustworthiness.
The late, great British humorist Alan Coren wrote a piece for Punch called The Short Happy Life of Margaux Hemingway. Unfortunately Harpers now owns it and it is only available to subscribers. It purports to be an interview of Margaux Hemingway about being a supermodel, in which she speaks parody bad Hemingway.
Gregory was a legit nut case. He hung around Missoula and I met him in a bar, or rather the guy he was wirh pointed him out and told me he was a doctor and Hemingway's son, because Gregory was busy twirling around the music.
Funny thing was he hung around at the motel owned by the grand dame of the Missoula GOP. They were quite close but she was kind of a maternal type anyway. We're so intolerant you know.
RIP Thelma.
Here ya go, tc.
When Gregory did the indecent exposure, was he exposing his gaping wound? Disgusting.
Islands in the Stream was a striking novel for me. Because of that posthumous novel and one other, A Movable Feast, I've long had a fondness for the sons.
I was very sorry to read of Gregory's squalid sad life. I feel as if I knew him as a kid and had alway wished the best for the siblings.
Rabel, I can't thank you enough. I have wanted this piece for years, but not enough to subscribe to Harpers.
Hemingway (Ernest) did, in fact, kill himself with a shotgun in 1961. His father killed himself as did several siblings. Obviously (one believes), mental illness ran in the family and although Hemingway was critical of his father doing so, he is also reported to have said that he expected to go the same way.
Several concussions and alcohol abuse no doubt also contributed. Gregory/Gloria seems par for the Hemingway course, unfortunately.
I love his writing for the most part; at the moment I'm re-reading some of his short stories. Can't take a lot of the novels because they're just so damn depressing. I got halfway through True at First Light and lately have been meaning to finish it and now I think I will definitely follow through.
"I believe that love that is true and real, creates a respite from death. All cowardice comes from not loving or not loving well, which is the same thing. And then the man who is brave and true looks death squarely in the face, like some rhino-hunters I know or Belmonte, who is truly brave... It is because they make love with sufficient passion, to push death out of their minds... until it returns, as it does, to all men... and then you must make really good love again."
Ernest Hemingway, well the Midnight In Paris version at least
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1605783/quotes?item=qt1610261
Wow. Thanks for sharing that Paddy.
Greg hemingway kept his sexual problems under wraps. And most of the public didn't know about it until he died. After 1962 he slandered his father as an abusive ogre, and told wild tales of "Killing elephants till I was too weak to hold the gun".
I'm glad the one son lived to 97.
And yes they were a strange tribe. Suicide ran in the family, along with alcoholism. The Oyster Bay Roosevelts had a similar problem to a lesser degreee.
"This endless struggle against reality — a foolish way to live." - Ann Althouse
"She died in 2001" and got to the obituary "Gregory H. Hemingway, 69
it certainly is surprising how DIFFERENT the world was..
back at the turn of the century..
back when we weren't pretending that guys were gals,
and we admitted realities about life.
That was A Long Time AGO.. Back when we were sane(r)
daddy? tell me what it was like, back in the crazy years?
well, they Were crazy, that's for sure. If a man wore a dress, you had to pretend that you thought he was a woman.. If fact, Even If he wasn't wearing a dress, you STILL had to pretend.
WHY daddy? i don't understand? WHY would you have to?
It was The Rules back then. Back then Everyone had to follow The Rules
WHY daddy? why follow Rules that are crazy/
Because darling, back then we had to. it was The Rules
"This endless struggle against reality — a foolish way to live." Attributed without evidence to Ann Althouse.
YouTube : # Not All Delusions --or-- It's Delusions all the way Down.
Thank you too Rabel. It is silly. The Pentax ESII is quite a small camera and there has never been a 250mm Takumar. That is important. Nor was there a Konikoflex. Perhaps it is the alcohol. Wine or Vermouth. Awful stuff.
He was overawed by Papa's cult of masculinity.
If he'd been Truman Capote's son maybe he wouldn't have been so confused about his own gender. Just dad's.
Margaux Hemingway's life was quite short and quite unhappy. Like others in the family, she ended in a presumed suicide. I'll pass on the supposed British humorist's parody.
With a history of suicide and sexual unorthodoxy, the Hemingways are our version of Germany's Mann family. Literary (and quasi-literary) families aren't remembered if their lives were happy and ended well.
You should read "The Garden of Eden," if you think that it was all a cult of masculinity with Papa Hemingway. A bit of gender bending going on in that one. It's about a man who finds out on his wedding night that his bride wanted to be a boy and their further adventures as he gets drawn into her (I guess we would say "his," now) world.
BTW, "Garden of Eden" is a good book, if you are jonesing for a little Hemingway and haven't read it, unlike "True at First Light," which couldn't hold my attention, due to the lousy writing, and I am a huge fan of the man.
That Margaux Hemingway piece was written in 1975.
I enjoyed the Papa parody. Thanks tcrosse for bringing it up, and Rabel for linking.
I thought she did: "Yes, Margaux Hemingway posed nude for a cover story in the May 1990 issue of Playboy magazine. She did so as part of an effort to revive her acting career after emerging from a rehabilitation clinic and to prove she was in good physical shape."
Tragic loss indeed.
I always found the grandchildren, Margaux and Mariel, a lot more interesting. Never any doubt what sex they were.
Ken Burns's Hemingway doc a few years ago made much of Ernest's dabbling in androgyny. Gender-switching role play with his wives, that sort of thing. And to cross-pollinate with the boat-droning post, Burns also mentioned (without making much of it) that journalist Ernest picked up a gun and went around just-liberated Paris killing Krauts - pretty clearly several war crimes. RR, JSM
I wouldn't trust much that far-left Ken Burns said about anything. Especially a "Dead white male". I wonder where he got the idea that "Papa" went around Paris shooting unarmed Germans who wanted to surrender. Never read that in any of the hemingway book's I've read.
Hemingway, in private, would tell all kinds of wild tales. At one point in told someone he killed 122 "Krauts" in the war. Colonel Lanham says he probably didn't give one.
At least he didn't stab his wife with a knife. Or rape a 13 y/o girl and skip the country.
Transgenerational transgenders and abortive ideation are a toxic stew.
I like to read novels very closely, I don't read fast, I read, digest, think, then read some more, and there is a lot of stuff in his novels that repay the attention to details. You can read a great novel like "The Big Sleep" and never feel like you know anything about the author but that he was a great writer, but Hemingway was always slipping stuff in about his own life. Supposedly he tried to kill himself a couple of times, once by trying to walk into the spinning propeller of an airplane, but he got pulled back, and he said that it was because he was forgetting his life, and his memories were his life's work. The memory loss was blamed on electric shock therapy in the account I read.
I tried several times to read his earlier works. I found myself wishing that he learned to write a descriptive paragraph. I might as well have been reading a playscript. YMMV.
Everyone in Idaho who has looked into the Hemingway’s knows that they are a mostly disturbed family. Wikipedia says of Jack: “In the 1990s, Margaux accused her father of molesting her as a child, an allegation he denied.[12] She later died of a barbiturate overdose in 1996 at age 42.[13] In a 2013 television documentary film Running from Crazy,[14] Mariel backed up her sister's allegation of being molested by Jack, stating that he sexually abused both of her two older sisters in childhood, and that she had been forced to watch him sexually abuse Margaux."
Faulkner, now that is the one to follow. Not Hemingway.
The dust bins of the past. Let’s try to understand the incentives of the men of the past and paste them into the men of the present, and predict the future. Let’s extrapolate the data set. Let’s create a model that lacks predictive power, accuracy, and generality all in one.
Then we will take this model and make policy that will be incredibly wrong.
Policy would be better if guided by an old Heinlein novel.
It was widely reported that Hemingway was an observer of Che’s murder of Cubans via firing squads. Dispute this at the risk of your reputation. Hemingway was living at Finca Vigía in early 1959, during the period when Che Guevara oversaw executions at La Cabaña.
Hemingway was really fucked up, not just on alcohol.
Mostly it was alchohol.
And, I lived in N Idaho for 30 years or so and we knew nothing about Hemingway family antics up there - I mean the sisters did rouse out their tits for a couple of movies and most young men of any standing were well aware of that.
You know it was alcohol and not a deep psychosis that resulted in his self murder? Tell me more.
Jblow- couldn’t help but recall ward bond and gable in It Happened One Night: oh yeah? Yeah, oh yeah…you got me sez Gable
Somewhere I have a photo of my dad and his business partner,(who was some half assed relative of Hemingway's last wife), out side their home in Cuba. Hemingways home in Cuba.
I can’t say I really knew Patrick, but I met him on a number of occasions here in the Gallatin Valley at a friend’s ranch where a group of us would get together for Sunday shoots. Mostly we shot clay pigeons with our side by side shotguns, but we shot our big game rifles and handguns as well. Everyone was incredibly generous and I would be invited to shoot big bore rifles using ammo that cost $20 per round. Yours truly as the notable exception, many of the attendees were rather well off and brought an amazing collection of custom rifles, fine English shotguns and vintage African big game rifles. These were people who went hunting in Africa and other far-flung destinations, the kind of thing I could do more than dream about. Not everyone was rich, but they were all very interesting people. I recall Patrick as a quiet guy, very nice, who came across as just another one of our host, Tim’s, many friends.
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