That was the strongest moment of the 5-hour memorial, the widow forgiving the murderer — because it is what Christ did.Erika Kirk forgives the man who murdered her husband:
— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) September 21, 2025
"My husband Charlie...he wanted to save young men just like the one who took his life...that young man...
I forgive him.
I forgive him because it was what Christ did and is what Charlie would do." pic.twitter.com/Pd1yGRMRVw
The other exceptionally strong statement of Christianity came from Marco Rubio:
Marco Rubio summoned his inner Father Mike Schmitz and explained the entire story of salvation history in under 90 seconds.
— Bree Solstad (@BreeSolstad) September 21, 2025
🙌❤️🔥✝️ pic.twitter.com/W7ZO11CjQ3
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Erika Kirk’s eulogy was quite amazing. So much poise. And what a powerful message she shared.
I hate my opponent and I don’t want the best for them…I can’t stand my opponent.
Erika and Marco were on point, offered a memorable tribute, and an inspiration for our Posterity.
#HateLovesAbortion
Both offered beautiful descriptions of Christ's path.
Trump's admission of his human weakness was a tribute to Kirk, by way of contrast.
"He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry Erika."
Trump acknowledges his own imperfection, and honors the effort led by Charlie to realize his Christian principles.
To overcome Diversity and strife.
To overcome adversity through personal responsibility and charity.
To overcome hate's love of abortion.
To honor his Father, follow His religion (i.e. behavioral protocol or model), with faith (i.e. trust) and fidelity.
I doubt Trump sees his hate of his opponents as an imperfection. I suspect he sees it as his strength. He’s sorry that he had to disagree with Erika and Charlie Kirk, but I doubt that he is sorry for harboring all that hate in his heart. It was shocking hearing the POTUS spout such dark shit at a memorial.
"I hate my opponent and I don’t want the best for them…I can’t stand my opponent."
His opponents tried to kill him, you fucking imbecile. If you wanted to encourage him to have concern for your well-being, maybe you shouldn't be supporting the people who did that.
Such a horrific, senseless loss. RIP Charlie Kirk. Long live Charlie Kirk.
"Persecutors" would have been a more accurate word for Trump to use in connection with "hate" than "opponents."
Trump has demonstrated an incredible ability to bury the hatchet with opponents when it moves things forward.
"I doubt Trump sees his hate of his opponents as an imperfection."
I hate the scum who did this too. And I don't consider that an imperfection; I consider it a reasonable response.
"His opponents tried to kill him, you fucking imbecile."
Yes they did.
It's on Trump. He's not required to take a knee to men. If he's right, there will be a positive outcome. If he's wrong, his fate is sealed. He advises people to follow Christ, and that message was reinforced by Charlie.
#HateLovesAbortion
“I hate the scum who did this too.”
Trump used the word “opponent”. If he meant that he hated the killer, it would’ve been more understandable, but he used the word opponent. He again vilified and denigrated people on the left, half of the US. “Radical left lunatics”, Trump stirred the shit pot of hate at a memorial for pity sake! Ugh.
‘His opponents tried to kill him, you fucking imbecile.’
History begins anew each day for the left.
Hating your opponent is an imperfection. Self-defense is also an imperfection. Some imperfections are less imperfect than others. There is no commandment that requires people to take a knee to other men, but rather an imperative to strive for principled reconciliation. Is that plausible, is that probable, time will tell. Denying the fitness of reality is not a good faith opening. So, Trump is not wrong.
Radical left lunatics haven’t exactly shown love for Trump, or Kirk. The reason we voted for Trump was because he knows how to fight these lunatics. Calling them out at a memorial service was/is an easy troll-trigger it appears.
Trump knows his enemy... opponent and himself.
“His opponents tried to kill him, you fucking imbecile. If you wanted to encourage him to have concern for your well-being, maybe you shouldn't be supporting the people who did that.”
No, his “opponents” did not try to kill him. Why do you assume every person on the left supports assassination? You see, this is where you folks have gone too far. You are too immersed in hate to see what you’ve signed onto. Half of the US will not just stand there and accept blame for Kirk’s death, no more so than half of the US not accepting blame for the death of Melissa Hortman and her husband and the shooting of John Hoffman and his wife.
There is a very dark feeling that is coming from the right. You are showing the hate we on the left always knew was there. I am under no illusion that the POTUS has any concern for half of the US.
Inga said...
He again vilified and denigrated people on the left, half of the US. “Radical left lunatics.”
Trump didn't "vilify and denigrate people on the left, half of the US" as “radical left lunatics.”
You just did.
"Hating your opponent is an imperfection."
Only if you're a believer. I can respect those who turn the other cheek. I am not compelled to emulate them.
“Trump didn't "vilify and denigrate people on the left, half of the US" as “radical left lunatics.””
Oh yes, he certainly did. Weren’t you listening to his speech at the memorial?
“Trump noted at one point that Kirk referred to his political rivals as “the left,” adding that he preferred the term “radical left” or “radical-left lunatics.””
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5515013-trump-attacks-opponents-charlie-kirk/
"Why do you assume every person on the left supports assassination?"
Not every person, no. But a lot.
The resolution for Hortman passed unanimously. The resolution for Kirk had 96 Dems vote nay or abstain. The hate from the left is quantified and documented.
I really do not need to read Igna's posts to know that her hysteria is acting up again.
Of course, she knows what Mueller knows.
Inga said
“No, his “opponents” did not try to kill him. Why do you assume every person on the left supports assassination?”
Because we hear so much hate from Leftists. “Every” is a strong word, but like with lawyers, 99% of Leftists make the rest of you look bad.
How many people were murdered because of Charlie Kirk’s murder?
How many riots took over place because of Charlie Kirk’s murder?
How many buildings were looted, burned, or occupied because of Charlie Kirk’s murder?
We are not the violent ones…but that can change quickly if the radical Leftists aren’t reined in. And we’re the side with a lot more guns and veterans who know how to use them.
“How many people were murdered because of Charlie Kirk’s murder?”
How many people were murdered because of Melissa Hortman and her husband’s murder?
“How many riots took over place because of Charlie Kirk’s murder?”
How many riots took place because of Melissa Hortman and her husband’s murder?
“How many buildings were looted, burned, or occupied because of Charlie Kirk’s murder?”
How many buildings were looted, burned, or occupied because of Melissa Hortman and her husband’s murder?
Are you trying to incite people to riot against Tim Walz appointing Melissa Hortman's murderer?
“We are not the violent ones…”
January 6th disproved that.
Let me guess; gophers are responsible for the Minnesota murders.
Jan 6th - who was killed - Inag?
You are such a liar - Inag.
I am not suggesting to "turn the other cheek". An imperfection may be of self, other, or circumstance. We have the capacity to judge and choose our action.
“Let me guess; gophers are responsible for the Minnesota murders.”
🐿️ gophers or possibly rabid squirrels.
"No, his “opponents” did not try to kill him. Why do you assume every person on the left supports assassination?"
I didn't say "all his opponents". "Every person on the left" are words you're using to construct a strawman.
Do you agree that someone who tries to kill you is your opponent? Yes or no.
Erika Kirk and Marco Rubio were speaking at a funeral. Trump was speaking at something akin to the Paul Wellstone celebration which is credited with electing Norm Coleman to the Senate.
Inag - your corrupt evil vile party tried to kill trump, bankrupt him, and imprison him. All based on lies. You and your vile party can fuck right off.
Inga - at this moment 9 of the 35 responses to this post are yours. Do you ever think you should keep it to yourself?
I would rather image that Democrats are more like Stephen. You make it difficult
“Inga - at this moment 9 of the 35 responses to this post are yours. Do you ever think you should keep it to yourself?”
Oh don’t worry, Peachy will surpass that soon enough.
January 6th was a Pelosi-rrection with elements of Whitmer conspiracy. A woman escaping a police-induced riot was summarily aborted in a prone position, in cold blood. Another was kicked while lying incapacitated on the ground, no longer viable. There were self-abortions thereafter while citizens were incarcerated indefinitely, under threat of witch hunts, warlock trials, affirmative actions of American civil liberties unburdened, a chilling effect, an Arctic Frost, a first-order forcing of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change.
You know who doesn't think Melissa Hortman's murderer was of the right? The media. These murders quickly disappeared from their pages.
"Catch this, fascist"
Is leftist.
Indisputable leftist.
- inspired by the non-stop "every MAGA is a Fascist" talk we hear day in and day out from top democrats in power and in the media.
His parents and friends said he shifted left.
There will be more.
The leftist assassin lives with a furry trans.
Inga - still waiting for you to provide the J-6 Trump quote that inspired all those FEDs in masks to instigate the crowd in front of the Capitol.
"You must go into the capitol" says fed. you must.
Inga: "You see, this is where you folks have gone too far."
The "you folks" is the tell. The true sin is in manifest in the division of people that one carries in your head. This is the line of good and evil. Those that say "you folks" versus those that say "we all."
What is the truth? We all go too far, Inga. I work hard against my 'natural man' instincts to never see "you folks", anywhere. I try always to see "we all."
Inga, I do not hate my opponents... but I do study them to know how to defeat them if they try to harm me or the people around me. I believe in Christ but I also study Sun Tzu and Go Rin no Sho.
Inag cannot stand that anyone criticize her precious evil party.
A party that assassinates.
(No different from any other dedicated party cultist.)
“What is the truth? We all go too far, Inga. I work hard against my 'natural man' instincts to never see "you folks", anywhere. I try always to see "we all."”
Did the left blame ALL right wingers for the death of Melissa Hortman and her husband like the right is blaming ALL the left for Charlie Kirk’s murder? You can’t possibly say you haven’t seen the numerous comments by Achilles and others here who blame the ENTIRE left for Charlie Kirk’s death?
"Did the left blame ALL right wingers for the death of Melissa Hortman…"
Nobody's buying it, Inga.
Just a few days ago Inga and several of the lefties here were - against all logic - desperate to claim that Kirk’s murderer was on the right.
It was shocking hearing the POTUS spout such dark shit at a memorial.
Yeah. Shocking the guy doesn't like the people who are trying to kill him. Just shocking.
Take your outrage and shove it.
Trump was speaking at something akin to the Paul Wellstone celebration which is credited with electing Norm Coleman to the Senate.
Paul Wellstone was assassinated by a conservative? I must've missed that.
Some services are more equal than others, I guess.
Maybe Althouse can just do a daily "Special for Inga" post and you can use it like your very own blog. A compendium of wit and wisdom so attractive to comment that Althouse will soon wonder why she didn't create it years ago.
Inga, you could post 10 times more than Peachy and I will still skip yours to read hers. She makes sense. You are a leftist moron.
"Maybe Althouse can just do a daily "Special for Inga" post and you can use it like your very own blog."
More copy & paste crap from Gemini? Cool.
I'm disheartened as our hostess did not once express any personal support/tribute/or disagreement with Charlie Kirk's life or denigration of his murder. BTW, I don't accept saying another's celebration of his life was "good" talk is anything but today's Schumer on commie Mahndami weasel words.
Charlie Kirk's funeral was an uneasy blend of mourning and fascism. It was also such a weird mix of cult and multi-level marketing.
Sweet mourning pyrotechnics though!
You can’t possibly say you haven’t seen the numerous comments by Achilles and others here who blame the ENTIRE left for Charlie Kirk’s death?
Achilles speaks for Achilles. Beyond that, speaking for myself, I don't blame you for Charlie Kirk's death. I do note that you and many (not all) people on the left have been singularly ungracious on this topic. No one on this board is likely to change your worldview.
You can’t possibly say you haven’t seen the numerous comments by Achilles and others here who blame the ENTIRE left for Charlie Kirk’s death?
You - and others like you - keep peddling this lie.
We are not blaming the ENTIRE left for Kirk's murder. But to deny the constant vilification and outright hatred - thus creating the environment where the assassin felt it necessary to act - there must be some culpability on your part for creating it.
In addition and to make it crystal clear, I'm going to bold this so there's no mistake.
We are calling out the thousands and thousands of leftists who celebrated his murder.
No, they didn't pull the trigger. They're orgasmic because somebody else did.
Got it?
“I do note that you and many (not all) people on the left have been singularly ungracious on this topic.”
I guess you don’t remember me trying to comfort the grievers here with a few Bible verses that comforted me at the time of my son’s death. I never said one word against Charlie Kirk and I made a point of acknowledging that he was much loved by people here and elsewhere. I don’t know where you ever saw me being ungracious, except maybe for rejecting blame put on the entire left for Kirk’s death.
The left in a nutshell
Beasts of England said: "Just a few days ago Inga and several of the lefties here were - against all logic - desperate to claim that Kirk’s murderer was on the right."
Yes, maybe I just missed it, but I was anxious to see if Inga would officially apologize for pushing the "Groyper" fantasy and admit the fact (obvious to most of us from the earliest hours) that the shooter was motivated by leftist sentiment.
No, not all of our fellow-citizens on the left are to blame for this, but anyone who stated, repeated, or reposted anything about Trump being a fascist or a Nazi should think hard about their contribution to the cause.
Russia Russia Russia + the other Soviet-like lies - come home to roost.
Especially after your party assassinates people.
After the Mar-a-lago would be Trump assassin assassination attempt was thwarted. Inga ran out of the gate with fake manufactured links and fake facebook posts of a young man NOT the suspect. She was screaming like she always does - the the perp was a REPUBLCIAN.
I lack the ability to understand how anyone could possibly find pasting unoriginal copy-pasta into a blog comments section to be a fulfilling activity. Unfortunately, the combination of cheap crappy "AI" and disseminated talking-points/prompts has seemingly made creating the comments take almost as little effort as scrolling past them does.
I've been reading this blog and its comment section for over 20 years because that has been interesting and enjoyable. I've been commenting a little here and there over the last few years because writing MY OWN ideas down is both fun and good intellectual discipline. Maybe pasting is just one of those hobbies that outsiders just don't get, but to me it just seems like such a waste of a person's time.
Trump's admission of his human weakness was a tribute to Kirk, by way of contrast.
Inga's completely boneheaded failure to understand the gist of what he was saying is yet another illustration of how the Right takes Trump seriously but not literally, while the Left takes him literally but not seriously.
Why, how big of you, Inga. Now go f yourself.
I did not see much of the Tribute, but from what I did see, it looks like Erika Kirk was New Testament and President Trump was Old Testament. I am afraid I am not as good a person as Charlie and his Widow are. I freely admit I am not ready to forgive. Indeed, I think it is time to let loose a terrible swift sword and crush some serpents under heels. There are some particularly vile people here who have shit posted to stir the pot. All it has achieved is to show just how many serpents are out there waiting for some Old Testament justice.
So I spent a couple days trying to deflect blame by lying about who the guy was. And I never admitted I was wrong. But here are some Biblical verses for you to chew on. See? All's good.
Charlie Kirk's funeral was an uneasy blend of mourning and fascism. It was also such a weird mix of cult and multi-level marketing.
I almost never read this troll twit's posts, but this one caught my eye.
We are talking about a really sick mind here.
Why do you assume every person on the left supports assassination?
We don't. But numbers are of the essence. There are indeed a few honest liberals who want dialogue and peace between those of differing opinions. (Jamie Lee Curtis, to my surprise, turns out to be one of them. Sen. Fetterman is another.) But MILLIONS of you have gone on the Internet and spouted gleeful approval of Kirk's murder, or the murder of that United Healthcare executive, or regret that Trump did not suffer the same fate. Half of Reddit right now is boiling with death wishes.
People I know personally have posted unbelievably venomous comments. In one case, a woman with whom I have just broken off an apolitical friendship of thirty years cheered for Kirk's death and expressed hope for more assassinations of "MAGAts". Am I supposed to remain friends with such a person, and not assume that she and millions of other left-wingers wish the same for me too?
There are far too many deranged and bloodthirsty leftists who can never be trusted with power. Does not the 200 million or so people killed by their own leftist governments over the past century prove it? The Nazis are pikers by comparison.
If it takes a powerful wave of Christian nationalism to eliminate the risk that unopposed socialism and communism poses to all of humanity, I'm 100% for it.
Maynard,
Consider the possibility that Kak and Inag and Might-Be-Ch*ck are paid disruptors here. That doesn't make them any less reprehensible, but it is at least a little more understandable than if they're doing it for the sheer fun of it.
We learned recently that paid commenters can pull in $8k/month.
On the Hortmann murders, the last thing I read said that the perp believed he was serving the political interests of Tim Walz. He also had a long, bipartisan list of targets. In other words, he is crazy, and he certainly had no right wing agenda. He had a crazy agenda.
As to the Jan 6 riot at the Capitol, the only person killed was Ashlee Babitt, killed by a trigger-happy Capitol cop who should have been fired for leaving his pistol in the men’s room on an earlier occasion, and certainly have been fired for shooting Ms. Babitt.
Amadeus, you’re mistaken. They were ALL Democrats, no Republicans.
“He also had a long, bipartisan list of targets.”
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2025/09/12/political-violence-left-right/86108134007/
“Boelter had a “hit list” of 45 targets, all of whom were Democrats. Friends and those who know him said he was a “doomsday prepper,” vocal opponent of abortion rights and supported Trump in 2024.”
@Amadeus, there was a second woman who died on January 6th, and her name was Rosanne Boyland. The official story is that she was trampled to death by other protestors, but other people who were say she was clubbed to death by Capitol Police.
I’m glad Erika Kirk has forgiven Tyler Robinson. Now let’s give hime a fair trial and an immediate execution.
rhhardin said...
Rharrdin, passim.
Okay. Fair enough. Peter Kropotkin's 1902, biology - so-called biology - of “Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution.” Biology not “pure” (whatever is pure these days), with an impure philosophical overlay. You can’t get to Kropotkim from Kant’s “Religion within the Bounds of Bare Reason,” but yes, you can build bridges from Kant to Kropotkin, with a little biological love (mutual aid) bridged to Abstract Love (Kant - moral obligation), then bridging to, and bridging from Emmanuel Levinas. Easy: see Paul as midrash. See Kirk “the other” (your words about “the other,” as Achilles is gently trying to nudge) as midrash on midrash.
On it goes. It’s not a hard logical, formally precise , ontological solution, not if it depends on the generosity or parsimony of inferences.
What does not depend on such generosity?
If you are sauced, as one (or many?) here have suggested, then belt back a big chug for me, we will piss our pants together, vomit all over each other at the table, and rouse up midrash on Houseman, "Malt does more than Milton can, To justify God's ways to man.”
Screw prudes who won’t drink with us.
Inga said...
"I doubt Trump sees his hate of his opponents as an imperfection. I suspect he sees it as his strength. He’s sorry that he had to disagree with Erika and Charlie Kirk, but I doubt that he is sorry for harboring all that hate in his heart. It was shocking hearing the POTUS spout such dark shit at a memorial.
9/21/25, 7:26 PM"
I already see several people have beat me to the punch, but I will nonetheless add to the scolding.
Inga, you aren't fooling anyone. We saw the outpouring of hate that happened the moment Charlie Kirk was confirmed dead. We saw the outpouring of hate for pretty much everyone on the Right -- asking "who should be next?" and gleefully giving answers!
And we've seen how you twist and mangle and quote out of context everything you could about Charlie Kirk, President Trump, and pretty much everyone else you disagree with -- just so that shooting them can be claimed to be justified.
I'm sure you and every other Leftist is now shaking in their boots for fear of President Trump's reprisals of the enemies -- and that you aren't deliberately taking out of context, and deliberately putting the darkest spin you can, so that you could complain about how "dark" he is.
Perhaps you, personally, Inga, don't have this dark streak in your own life (although your very attempt to twist President Trump's words is evidence towards that) -- but too many of your fellow Leftists have gone VERY dark, FAR DARKER than ANYTHING President Trump said today -- and you now have NO ROOM WHATSOEVER to complain about the "darkness" of the speeches of President Trump or any other Conservative or Libertarian from here on out -- because, AT BEST, they could ONLY MATCH the darkness of your fellow Leftists.
As for myself? I appreciate what he said. He only confirmed that he is weak and flawed, and reinforced the message of the entire memorial that we are ALL flawed, and need forgiveness. My only complaint is that President Trump was the last speaker. I am convinced that the Memorial should have ended with Erika's amazing words instead!
I have a comment on our commentary. Do you see what happened? Our hostess posted two beautiful and touching moments from Charlie Kirk's memorial. Right away the commentary is hijacked by quoting a provocative DT quote/ clip. So instead of comments about the beautiful videos, the road goes down to the provocative quote becoming the subject instead of the memorial prayers.
I wonder if this a pattern. Oh, goodness and positivity, nope, let's get them talking about this "squirrel " instead. Oops, and I'm doing tne same thing now! Ugh.
Beautiful and prayerful speeches. May God bless the Kirk family and our country.
There are Saints and there are Warriors and damn few Saintly Warriors.
Oh no, Inga is critical of something President Trump said at the funeral of his wonderful friend who got shot in the neck for speaking.
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