Meanwhile: "Stacy Allen lives in a white wooden house with a perfect lawn and a labradoodle in a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama.... About once a week, after her two children have gone to bed, she’ll take a bite of what looks and tastes like an ordinary [gummy].... 'I feel like it’s just a way to unwind.... Just like having a glass of wine.... I was even at lunch recently with someone I felt was a very conservative mom, and then she and her husband started opening up about doing gummies — and they have teenagers too.... More women do it than you realise. It’s just like anything — talking about it removes the shame. Then other people will be, like, "Oh, I do them too." It’s not a big deal.'"
July 25, 2025
"We commit federal felonies by the day, by the hundreds if not the thousands. But there’s no real ability for the federal government to shut it down. So the cat’s out of the bag."
Said Aaron Morris, co-founder of the company that manufactures the Wyld brand of cannabis-infused gummies, quoted in "Mummies on cannabis gummies: meet the mothers getting high at home/Frazzled American parents are swapping a nightly glass of chardonnay for chewable THC gummies. But are they ignoring the health risks?" (London Times)
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Yeah, wine, MJ, cocaine, heroin, its all good. Just something to relax with.
Shorter Aaron Morris - "Rule of law" that's for Rightwingers!
Was at an assisted living home in a recreational state. At lunch over half the seniors in the conversation were using gummies, although none taking more than 10mg, which is a fairly low dose. All of them compared it to the glass of wine or bottle of beer they regularly had in their adult lives.
Ultimately, it is a vice like anything else. And like many things, people want to find it permissive by claiming others do it too. But like the lady from HR, they really don't want to get caught doing it in public, but that won't keep them trying someday. That's when it becomes a problem.
There will always be less stigma around popping a bit of candy in your mouth than over rolling a joint and lighting up. It is the gateway to everyday acceptance.
Someone gave me a few of those, saying they'd put them to sleep. I, having had sleep issues for literally decades, tried 1/4 of one, felt nothing, and actually slept worse than normal.
I am definitely Meh on mari-joo-wana gummies.
"It's no big deal." Rationalization
Why would it be a big deal?
If gummies ever become legal around here, I'm going to acquire an ample supply, purchase an 8-track player and headphones, and try to figure out what I was missing out on in the 70s.
Conservative or moderate.
Remember that Stones song Mother's Little Helper?
You can indulge in marijuana at your pleasure, at your expense, on your time with selfie-consequences. Imbibing grog, too.
Because of the way in which THC is metabolized through the ingestion of gummies, many do not feel or benefit from gummies as they lack the necessary receptor. Some feel nothing. Others experience "couch lock."
"The health risks"?
For an average adult, 10mg of THC is no more a "health risk" than a single drink.
(Some people should not drink. Some people should not do weed. But that's about their personal genetics and/or brain and body and its reactions.)
As Michael said above, this is a nothingburger, and of course it's the Guardian trying to make it A Crisis.
RCOCEAN II said...
Yeah, wine, MJ, cocaine, heroin, its all good. Just something to relax with.
But only if you talk about it first ....
From the article: "For many, the biggest concern is the link between schizophrenia and cannabis consumption. Yet scientists are deeply divided. Dr Johannes Thrul, an associate professor at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore who studies substance use disorders, argues that there is no concrete evidence that using cannabis can cause schizophrenia in someone who had not been predisposed to it."
So just don't be predisposed and you're probably okay.
They ain't gummies until you've lost all your teeth.
I loves me some Delta-8 gummies, which are currently as legal as beer, wine, and bourbon here.
So just don't be predisposed and you're probably okay.
My #2 has hallucinations when he gets a fever. My husband told him when he was 12 that he should never try marijuana or any psychedelics because it would probably lead to schizophrenia. I hope he heeds the warning.
"It’s just like anything — talking about it removes the shame."
Average age at the local dispensary is pushing 60 these days. I Used to take these because they really help me sleep, but I stopped because if the effect starts before I doze off, I'm screwed and can't sleep at all. I do not understand people taking them for fun at all, but many people seem to like them. It's less damaging than alcohol for sure, but I'd rather not consume either one anymore. If I was going to do drugs I'd take Xanax, cocaine and methamphetamine, so I think it's best to skip them altogether.
“argues that there is no concrete evidence that using cannabis can cause schizophrenia in someone who had not been predisposed to it."
When an associate professor of medicine says there is no “ concrete evidence” I doubt his quality, say instead that in multiple peer reviewed studies predisposition to schizophrenia was found to be a statistically significant factor in the expression of schizophrenic events in Cannabis users. Show some clear thinking.
Low dose (5mg) if trouble sleeping, but ingestion during the day? Not good for you, in my opinion.
I think it amazing that rolling a joint is now completely unnecessary.
Soma.
because... eat candy
The shame is still there but prioritized.
We had two Presidents and two VPs who admitted to using MJ, a President who couldn't remember if he had snorted coke (I think the Woodstock Rule applies there, W), and one who is teetotal on everything but caffeine because he's pretty sure he's an addict, but used to hang out in the Manhattan party scene around all kinds of druggery.
The stuff is mainstream. Keeping it illegal in any fashion just encourages selective prosecution.
If you don't like Trump suddenly enforcing immigration laws, you really won't like some future POTUS suddenly enforcing drug laws.
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Im allergic to all the migrain meds, so I eat a gummy when I feel it coming on. It does help, and my doc knows. When my daughter was taking chemo she would eat a gummy before treatment. It helped her too and her nursing team just said don't tell us anything.
Every single substance in the world is not for everybody. Cannabis has its uses, and most people figure out dosing through trial and error. It's fine. No need to panic.
If a person uses alcohol/drugs, gummies are fine by me. Do what you will to your own body.
What I hate is the skunky reeking MJ smoke smell that covers every blue city today. The left said drunk driving was bad. The left said 18-year-olds should not drink or own handguns. They said tobacco second hand smoke was bad. They said global warming and diesel smoke were bad. But stinky second hand MJ smoke putting others at risk..."cool"...whatever it takes to buy votes and stay in power...
Huxley wins over Orwell once again.
shouldn't this have a "Mother's little helper" tag?
"no concrete evidence that using cannabis can cause schizophrenia in someone who had not been predisposed to it."
also,
no concrete evidence that using cannabis can cause addiction in someone who had not been predisposed to it.
also
no concrete evidence that using alcohol can cause addiction in someone who had not been predisposed to it.
just because my customers ruined their lives with drugs, does NOT negate the fact, that *i* made a very nice living at it
Everything you put in your body is a drug. It will affect you in some way. The stuff that makes us feel good (or, not feel as bad) is used then overused then regulated then overregulated.
If you're really serious about public health, make sugar illeagal:-)
Regulation doesn't make the market go away, it often increases the degree of damage and number of people affected. Illegal product will always be available in quanity but almost never in guality.
I spent many years of my life deeply under the spell of alcohol. My tolerance was high and my demeanor and function unchanged and, frankly, it "helped".
A medical emergency revealed a liver hanging-on by a thread. Doc said: "STOP. NOW. Otherwise your over/under number is 90 days." Well, since he put it that way... Seven years later, I continue to shock the crap out of him when I show up for my semi-annual billing event.
Detox and sobriety wasn't much of a bother. My approach is: never make a plan to quit (anything); never say, "OK, I quit"; instead; start by declaring that you quit a week ago (nobody likes to break a streak, right?
BUT. while the craving for alcohol may vanish, life without a little "buzz" once in a while, is a life that can by improved. If you don't believe me, go ask Alice.
For me, the answer became 10 mg of Opium or synthetic never more than once a week (usually once every two or three weeks). As we grow older, hopefully we begin to discover our limitations.
Not a vice. A vice would be like: wasting time, being mean to someone or believing science is ever settled.
What is the "Concrete Evidence" that smoking causes lung cancer? Plenty of people smoke lots of cigarettes and don't get lung cancer.
Guess if you're not "predisposed" to lung cancer - "smoke 'em if you got em"
In terms of "no big deal": If you fail to report performing a job for someone for cash as income, it's no big deal. If you hide hundreds of thousand of dollars funneled to you as a bribe and fail to report that as income, it's a major felony with lots of prison time. But the fact remains that they are both crimes; it is your interpretation of what constitutes lying and violating the law as "important" that make it a big deal or not. My honorary stepdaughter was on her final month of probation for a DUI and decided to join a co-worker in her car to take a toke of weed after their shifts. Then a car ran into their parked vehicle and the cops were right there and next thing you know they both got busted - she got VOP and received 45 days in jail. But it was "no big deal" to smoke something illegal -- or so she thought. It's the risk you take. And judges are not swayed by the "it's no big deal" argument.
I avoid many common drugs. Because of it, I’m more sensitive to their effects. Caffeine from a cup of coffee will prevent a good night sleep regardless of when consumed the day prior. A melatonin to help with sleep will still be felt the next morning. It is not that I don’t consume such things, but I certainly don’t need stronger stuff.
Also agree with Enigma at 1121. You can tell a pot smoker like a dog sprayed by a skunk.
The tobbaco industry always found doctors who would "pooh pooh" the risks of smoking. I'm sure the MJ industry is no different.
In medicine, "no concrete evidence" is right up there with "this might be a little uncomfortable"
I don't think the argument that coffee and cigarettes or scotch is legal we therefor should make MJ, cocaine, or Heroin legal makes much sense.
Its like arguing we should get rid of the speed limits because some people go 5 MPH over the line. Or allow people machine guns and hand grenades because they have handguns and hunting rifles.
What shame? Shamelessness had been the byword pretty much since the internet was invented,
Britain had the "yummy mummy."
Americans had "MILFs."
"Mummies on Gummies" could be the next BritCom.
I just eat regular gummies… you know - the “non-alcoholic” version of cannabis-infused gummies.
Is the schizophrenia risk the only health risk?
Also the risk to persons over 30 would seem to be pretty minimal. Doesn't schizophrenia generally manifest itself by then?
I just wish to God I could still drink copious amounts (or even small amounts) of whiskey and port and wake up ready to run. High mileage running has absolutely ruined my ability to enjoy drinking. It's gotten to the point that I'm secretly pleased when I feel a running injury coming on. "I may need a take a couple of down days to recover..." I tell myself.
Cheerful felons and gauzy-minded suburban moms. With OnlyFans accounts we can hope
Since Iwas diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease I searched for something to overcome the sleep disturbances that come with the disease. A THC gummy of the Indica strain allows me to sleep through the night every night. No more waking up every 90 minutes and struggling to return to sleep. As an added plus they cut down on the vivid way over the top dreams that accompany Parkinson's. Good to go..
Question for those who know.
Are gummies consistent in "dosage" and effect? Every glass of familiar brand beer or wine or vodka, etc. will have a predictable effect .
Are gummies the same?
Street drugs can be hit or miss., take the same shot today that you took yesterday and could provide no affect, or could kill you. That's a problem.
I love that this is somehow "news." lol.
FullMoon - given every state has different production facilities and many many manufacturers are on the market, short answer not at all. You can find stuff that is very inconsistent, especially in delta 8/9 products. Dangerous IMO.
However, in legal states with good regulation/testing, they can be consistent and 'trustworthy'. There are a few manufacturers here who produce product that is the same every dose - many of whom aim at 'lower power' gummies vs the ones that made headlines when Colorado first legalized which contained elephant sized dosages.
So there are reliable products out there (that aren't Cheech and Chong dosage levels) - but also very sketchy product. Sadly, chances are likely any young people are most likely to have access to gas station and other sketchy makers who lean into 'f you up' doses.
Legalization is a good thing here IMO, but the Farm Bill a few years ago legalized hemp based products which has created a wild west esp of vapes and edibles whose safety I wouldnt trust in.
Same thing I said at the end of the 70s. At first, I giggled and had deep thoughts. Then I just relaxed. By the mid 80s I was depressed and paranoid. I still cringe when I think about what an ass weed made me.
this is probably where the legend of the lethe flower came from, one notes places with more pot seems to be more deranged,
Mark must’ve spent the early 80s trying to solve the High Times riddle:
“Are they intoxicating blasts of stupefaction OR stupefying blasts of intoxication?”
THC does cause a reduction in IQ for young people with developing brains. We had friends whose son fell in with a bad crowd and got addicted to weed in high school, and I'm talking the potent stuff, not the MJ from the 70s. And his school testing showed a definite drop in IQ, along with personal accountability. But what the hey, that doesn't happen to everyone, and it is my own body, so lay off.
Did a lot of crim defense decades ago at my lawyering start. Not rich clients. Dregs.
And that is exactly the group for whom pot and booze are like the Black Plague. Nothing good in their lives - yes, their fault - and so brain annihilation became the high point of life.
And their lives, which could have been made better, just fell apart.
It's not the smart kids and the docs and lawyers and welders and teachers who need to stay away - it's the people who have nothing going for them, ever. Their lives are touched horribly every day by the drugs.
Ever since then, I - a libertarian - have understood very well why we should make them harder to get, not easier.
Almost every mind altering drug is bad for you. The only question is how bad, and how much do you need to take before the bad stuff starts.
Nah, I just know a few people in tbe industry, Iman.
Lots of gen x in cannabis c suites
The Alabama mom's better stock pile their intoxicating candy because the THCA loophole in the hemp farm bill will be closed before long.
Re. Bobby - Plenty of very successful people suffer from substance abuse. I used to drop-in at a Wednesday afternoon coke social. Regulars were a couple aerospace execs, a couple of local attorneys, the US Attorney for the area and an ER Doc from a large med center. Never any females. The Doc supplied the purest product imaginable. I admit at least two of that group eventually lost everything and disgraced themselves.
I am in favor of drug regulation but prohibition is worse. What physicians risk these days when writing a legit script for an opioid is terrifying. Not as terrifying as what happens to people when they turn to the ‘street’ for what they need. The number of opioid ODs has gone up dramatically since the govt. made them impossible to obtain. I don’t know the answer but I do know that one shoe does not fit all.
Marijuana or cannibas has a strong effect on the heart if you have an electrical issue such as bradycardia ot can lead to a heart block. Then you need a pacemake or you die. I loved weed as a kid, but this isn't Woodstock era dope. Look it up
Hayek and other libertarian economists made an important point. There is a huge difference between law -- what the people obey -- and legislation, what the politicians enact.
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