July 5, 2025

"It remains unclear whether South Sudan’s government in Juba has detained the men, or what their ultimate fate might be."

"The 13-year-old country is on the brink of a civil war; the State Department has warned against travel there because of the risk of 'crime, kidnapping and armed conflict.' In court on Friday, a Justice Department lawyer read from a diplomatic note that said South Sudan would give the men immigration status to allow them to remain there at least temporarily.... Before coming to the United States, the men came from Vietnam, Mexico, Laos, Cuba and Myanmar. Just one is from South Sudan, a violence-plagued country. All had been convicted of serious crimes in the United States, though many had either finished or were about to finish serving their sentences.... The migrants’ lawyers have contended that if they are sent to South Sudan, they will probably be subjected to torture. The U.S. government has said in its own filings that the South Sudanese government has given diplomatic assurances that this will not happen.... The eight migrants now heading to South Sudan are part of a class-action lawsuit... about the legality of deporting migrants to so-called third countries.... The lawsuit is still continuing...."

From "U.S. Turns Eight Migrants Over to South Sudan, Ending Weeks of Legal Limbo/Courts blocked the handover after lawyers raised concerns of torture. Then the Supreme Court intervened to allow the Trump administration’s plan to move forward" (NYT).

63 comments:

Original Mike said...

"The migrants’ lawyers have contended that if they are sent to South Sudan, they will probably be subjected to torture."

By whom? Why?

n.n said...

Is this an inclusive and progressive problem in South Sudan that requires emigration reform?

FormerLawClerk said...

You can walk back to Mexico now, or end up in South Sudan.

Up to you.

narciso said...

unlikely the South Sudanese govt don't roll that way,

they were stuck in djibouti for the longest time,

Aggie said...

'Hey, my clients came here illegally for promises of a cushy lifestyle on free illegal handouts and medical care, how dare you deport them to a desert hellhole that's been in civil war for 20 years !'

Border crossings the lowest in years.

These two things are related.

n.n said...

El Salvador may be willing to guard their criminal asses, now that their civil war ended with the gangs taking a knee.

Peachy said...

all those brought to the border by human traffickers or Soros money - you can go now.

Original Mike said...

Kamala Harris: "Things are hard right now."
Seriously, I think that's what she was referring to.

gspencer said...

Q. What's their ultimate fate?

A. Who cares so long as they outta here and are locked up. Knock off the bleeding heart liberal stuff.

n.n said...

Join the rape gangs in South Africa. The social progress in Afghanistan. The slave camps in China. A civil war in Ukraine. Perhaps indefinite incarceration and American civil liberties unburdened a la J6 under Joe/Kamala. Respect all cultures as equitable and inclusive.

There's a ceasefire in the Middle East. Climate change in DRC and Rwanda should be nice this time of year.

Dave Begley said...

Probably subject to torture? Speculation. What kind of lawyering is that? 12(b)(6).

narciso said...

the lionel hutz, kind, now Sudan proper, I wouldn't wis on anyone

narciso said...

notably they don't name any of the lawyers, or which ngo hired them,

Humperdink said...

The U.S. could give them a choice: South Sudan, El Salvador or Haiti ( if they will take them). Three garden spots.

Rabel said...

Go here if you want to see the fellows and learn of their crimes.

narciso said...

they also don't elaborate on any of the offenses that the deportees were convicted off, it's an inflated press release from one side, of the argument,

Peachy said...

"All had been convicted of serious crimes in the United States, though many had either finished or were about to finish serving their sentences.... "

right - serious crimes - where democratic DA's gave these illegals and their SERIOUS CRIMES light sentences.

Peachy said...

thank you - Rabel. 3:12

Rabel said...

You're welcome Ms. Apple.

KruppesMule said...

The courts "blocked," the Supreme Court "intervened." Fancy use of language that.

Jeff Weimer said...

One from WA state was convicted for murder...and the ACLU is lobbying the governor to *pardon* him so the deportation reason no longer exists.

Prof. M. Drout said...

They don't have to go home, but they can't stay here.

Laurel said...

Looking at the pics and *ahem* curriculum vitae, anyone else jump to thinking we need an uninhabited island and we could see Lord of the Flies.

So sue me, they’re scum, all of them.

tim maguire said...

We should make an effort to return people to their home countries, but if the home countries won’t have them, that is not our problem.

Breezy said...

Defying SCOTUS should not end well for those that do so.

Wasn’t the media brimming with anticipation, salivating that Trump would ignore SCOTUS, hoping for an impeachment charge….? Huh.

Quaestor said...

Subject to torture? No.

Subject to howls of derisive laughter? Yes.

The Drill SGT said...

Note that the defendants lawyers never propose an alternate deportation location. Sudan, or freedom in the US? No!.

ACLU. Make some calls to all those human rights NGOs. Denmark will take them and you drop the lawsuits? Sure. enroute in 8 hours

Sebastian said...

"U.S. Turns Eight Migrants Over to South Sudan" How about Congo or Somalia next? For max deterrence.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Could Trump ask Chai-nuh to take migrant criminals as part of a trade deal?

RCOCEAN II said...

So the liberal left establishment has gone from illegal alien, to illegal immigrant, to undocumented immigrant, to migrant. Presto chango - no more immigration laws. Their dream fulfilled open borders and American citizenship means nothing. Now for more election fraud, cheap labor, and looting of the treasury. Plus Censorship and hate laws.

A "Progressive paradise".

RCOCEAN II said...

The NYT's and District Judges have x100 times more concern over the rights of a dozen illegal aliens than they did for the rights of the J6 protestors. Or those killed, raped, or robbed by illegal.

Quaestor said...

Now where's my $10,000 EBT card? I dropped it right here...

Yeah, I know. That's horrible. I was just recalling our noble effort to rescue the Sudanese, particularly the oppressed southerners. We delivered them food by the megaton, and for all the good it did we ought to have delivered the explosive variety instead and ended the suffering quickly and permanently.

Maybe South Sudan is a negative zone, the Bizarroverse were GOOD is bad and BAD is good. (Me Bizarro Superman. Me loathe Bizarro Lois Lane.) It would explain a heck of a lot if true. Nothing non-insane does. Consequently, delivering a bunch of criminally-inclined freeloaders to South Sudan might work a miraculous transformation in that perpetual hellhole. Let's watch developments attentively, and keep Haiti in mind.

Quaestor said...

A thought experiment: Imagine a matter/energy scrambler in the style common to spacefaring cultures throughout the Star Trek universe. Further imagine such a machine used to exchange the populations of South Sudan and Singapore. Is it racist to predict that after a period of shock and disorientation the former Singaporeans would prosper in their new home, and the former South Sudanese, after eating everything edible in sight and demolishing everything not edible, would make a shithole of their new environment?

Original Mike said...

"So the liberal left establishment has gone from illegal alien, to illegal immigrant, to undocumented immigrant, to migrant. "

In the recent BBB Medicaid debate they were calling them "Americans".

Howard said...

It's like the British sending criminals to Georgia and Australia

Kirk Parker said...

Quaestor,

"...particularly the oppressed southerners. We delivered them food by the megaton..."

Are you sure you aren't confusing them with Darfor?

~ Gordon Pasha said...

This is now a problem for the South Sudanese Civil Liberties Union.

Mason G said...

"From "U.S. Turns Eight Migrants Over to South Sudan..."

"Migrants"? Yeah, right. Not going to read the article. If they're willing to tell lies in the headline, the rest of the thing is sure to be crap.

Lazarus said...

Crocodile Alcatraz. Crocotraz.

This is the flipside of Cloward-Piven. If you want to flood the system to the point where it breaks, you'll just have to put up with it when your cunning plan doesn't work and somebody cleans up the mess you made.

bob said...

If you don't like how this is turning out, doesn't the blame fall in Biden's lap for not enforcing existing immigration laws? If Dems believe the country needs mass migration, then make the argument and pass new laws. That's how the system is supposed to work.

Quaestor said...

Are you sure you aren't confusing them with Darfor?

No. Second Sudanese Civil War. Muslim north vs. Christian/Animist south seeking independence. The North's chief weapon was starvation. USAID and the EU poured nearly a million tons of F-75, F-100, and eeZeePaste RUTF into the region only to have much of it stolen and sold all over Africa. South Sudan gained independence from Khartoum in 2011. And now they have their own civil war since 2023.

Original Mike said...

"If you don't like how this is turning out, doesn't the blame fall in Biden's lap for not enforcing existing immigration laws? If Dems believe the country needs mass migration, then make the argument and pass new laws. That's how the system is supposed to work."

This is ALL on Biden. And this mess was premeditated.

Iman said...

Allitraz

Quaestor said...

"It's like the British sending criminals to Georgia and Australia"

I think in Georgia's case they weren't convicts but debtors, many of them tradesmen who got into debt buying their tools or renting their place of business, or farmers who lost their crops to weather conditions and borrowed to feed their families. There were numerous crop failures throughout Europe during the coldest years of the Little Ice Age (1655-1765). Being sold into indentured servitude for some contractual period, usually seven years, was seen as a humane and effective form of debt relief. It was known as the Oglethorpe Plan.

The deportation of convicts to New South Wales was different. Australia was much further away and therefore much more expense to reach by people willing to emigrate as colonists. Being sentenced to transportation was more human than hanging, the most common punishment for habitual larceny in 18th century Britain, and it furnished cheap labor the New South Wales Corporation. Those convicts were still housed in jails and often labored in chains. However, after serving their sentences, the convicts would be released to work for wages and to settle, but return to England was prohibited.

rehajm said...

Every time I drive down Oglethorpe Ave in Savannah all I hear in my head is …Ogie Ogilthorpe?

Original Mike said...

I hadn't realized until I was reading a history of Australia, sitting in the library of a BnB in Bathurst, NSW, that the British used to send their convicts to North America. When we shut that down, they had to look further afield.

Ampersand said...

For those who once enjoyed Superman comics, you will see that South Sudan is simply the Phantom Zone. Nobody wants to be banished to the Phantom Zone.

Achilles said...

Eight foreign invaders who came here and committed crimes against citizens got exiled.

That is not what should have happened to them.

gspencer said...

Newest ICE recruits,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GvGMDNIWcAApoDG?format=jpg&name=small

mikee said...

So to summarize: Illegal immigrants who were also convicted criminals were deported in a legal manner. What's the fuss about?

Interested Bystander said...

Pretty shitty deal. WTF are they thinking?

Rosalyn C. said...

Remember when skeptics were mockingly asking, "How is Trump ever going to get really bad people to self deport?" It was ridiculous and impossible!
Then the Trump team came up with Alligator Alcatraz and South Sudan = problem solved.

mccullough said...

It’s no fun
Being an illegal alien

Clyde said...

Illegal aliens can always choose their own destination and go back where they came from of their own volition. Or they can take their chances and when they are deported, go wherever the ticket they are handed says. "Closing time, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here."

Rusty said...

Why not Greenland. Send them to Greenland.

Quaestor said...

But we want to own Greenland!

WisRich said...

Seems like these lawyers are admitting that "sh*thole" countries do exist.

stlcdr said...

Why Sudan? I get that it may very well be a deterrence, but why not their countries of citizenship?

The Middle Coast said...

Summer of Love coming to South Sudan.

JAORE said...

"...why not their countries of citizenship?"
Because the leadership of "their countries of citizenship" are not stupid.
(Do I have to say like the previous administration.... or numerous EU countries?)

Josephbleau said...

“We should make an effort to return people to their home countries, but if the home countries won’t have them, that is not our problem.”

If your own country won’t let you in and give you asylum against going to a country which you claim will torture you, then the whole idea of asylum is bullshit. Any country that does not give asylum to its own people should be restricted for US visas, if they can’t go back, don’t let any more in here.

Mexico was refusing to let their citizens be deported back to Mexico but that was a ploy to gum up the deportation works that was resolved.

Achilles said...

stlcdr said...
Why Sudan? I get that it may very well be a deterrence, but why not their countries of citizenship?

Because they are criminals and nobody wants them.

Except Democrats who need voters and don't mind if a few Americans get hurt on the way.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

stlcdr said...
Why Sudan? I get that it may very well be a deterrence, but why not their countries of citizenship?

1: That country may refuse to take them
2: They may have an order blocking deportation to their country. But that doesn't prevent them from being deported any place else, it's just that they felt safe having gotten that fraud (the order preventing deportation to their own country) because most countries refuse to accept deportees from other countries.

What the Trump Admin needs to do now is contact every single person in America with a final order of deportation, and tell them they will be deported to South Sudan in two months if they haven't left the US. While loudly continuing to deport people there, including some who have no crimes not heir record other than being here illegally, just so no one feels like it's a bluff

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