June 12, 2025

Uninvited from the picnic and wondering why things can't be more highbrow.

"I'm a big boy and we can go have a picnic in another park, you know we can go to the mall but it's just really kind of sad that this is where we are.... I mean literally every Democrat is invited, every Republican is invited, and to to say that my family's no longer welcome kind of sad. Actually, my grandson has a Make America Great hat. My son and daughter-in-law, they like Donald Trump. I like Donald Trump, but when they want to act this way, it's where they begin to lose a lot of America who just wonders: Why does everything have to descend to this level? Why can't anything be more highbrow and more of a intellectual discussion where we have a disagreement but it doesn't have to descend to this?

UPDATE: Of course, Rand Paul is invited, says Trump at Truth Social:
Of course Senator Rand Paul and his beautiful wife and family are invited to the BIG White House Party tonight. He’s the toughest vote in the history of the U.S. Senate, but why wouldn’t he be? Besides, it gives me more time to get his Vote on the Great, Big, Beautiful Bill, one of the greatest and most important pieces of legislation ever put before our Senators & Congressmen/women. It will help to, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! I look forward to seeing Rand. The Party will be Great!

118 comments:

rehajm said...

I dunno, when congressional left and right mud wrestle all election season then show up for the new congress and Nancy and Mitch and Rand and Maxine are all huggy and lovey-dovey it makes me think you guys are all slime balls all the time…

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

I'm obsessed with Swift. Highbrow vs. Lowbrow; Big Heel vs. Small Heel; eat egg from big end or small end.

rehajm said...

…Red told us seriously, how often do you look at a man’s shoes but I cannot unsee those shoes…

Quayle said...

Since when has politics NOT been petty and childish?

Mr. D said...

He's been throwing turds in the punchbowl for weeks and now he wants a sip?

tim maguire said...

It would have been a much better statement without that last line. It’s makes him sound like he thinks we’re just not smart enough to understand his brilliance. I wouldn’t want someone like that at my picnic either.

rehajm said...

Did Trump uninvited his grandson too? I didn’t hear Trump uninvited his grandson. Sounds like Rand trying for some extra empathy since a Senator whining about a picnic doesn't whip up much…

rehajm said...

I’d go to a Petty picnic with Tom, Richard, Kyle, Bryce…

Mr. Forward said...

The 5 Most Common Picnic Pests
1. Wasps and Yellow Jackets
2. Ants
3. Flies
4. Mosquitoes
5. Rand Paul

FormerLawClerk said...

Rand Paul isn't a team player. There is a time and place for disagreement. That time is long past.

There is going to be message discipline and there is going to be voting discipline in the Republican Party or you are not going to be invited to anything.

You may disagree behind closed doors, but when the President and leader of the Republican Party makes his decision, you are to line up behind him and salute or get the fuck out.

Saint Croix said...

I'm on Rand Paul's side on this one.

Mark said...

Invited AOC and not Rand Paul & y'all are more than happy to make excuses for Trump.

TDS indeed

rehajm said...

I seem to recall Emily noting the worst breach of etiquette, or one of the worst, is to call out someone else’s. The police all like to ignore that one…

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Never hear this guy criticizing anti-American Democrat Party crimes, collusions, riots, attacks, conspiracies, etc. He only fucking squeaks when he doesn't get his. Another worthless parasite in the GOP senate.

rehajm said...

..now about those shoes…

rehajm said...

Y’all can stop. We get it. He’s crass…

Michael Fitzgerald said...

AOC is supposed to be an anti-American libtard idiot, dumb lefty Mark, like all Democrat Party members. Paul is supposed to an elder statesman from the president's own party, not a dipshit crank putting sand in the gears. That's why they are treated differently.

rehajm said...

…we should all know the drill by now- Trump does bad bad then later softens and makes amends, has nice things to say so salve the feelings.

Maybe Rand will still be invited to the ‘Republicans Democrats Tried to Kill but Failed Picnic’ in the Fall…

RideSpaceMountain said...

This country doesn't deserve Rand Paul. Or Thomas Massie for that matter either. The number of strict constitutionalist/fiscally responsible legislator can be counted on one hand.

In a perfect world both houses would be full of them. They probably wouldn't get much done but that also means they would spend far less of OUR money, as the founders intended.

rehajm said...
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rehajm said...

…bad shoes windsor knot has his head on a swivel like he’s some kind of security but what security guy has a grip on his phone like that? Maybe that’s to throw off the bad guys…and the shabby shoes are in case it has to go to the ground…

RideSpaceMountain said...

I'm sorry. I made a mistake. They're not spending "OUR money". OUR money is long since spent. They're now spending money we don't have.

My bad.

Captain BillieBob said...

The invitation must have been lost in the mail.

boatbuilder said...

The White House is throwing a picnic for Congress? What the hell?

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Why is there a photo of George Will with this article?

Leland said...

I’m still waiting for my invite too.

Kevin said...

Rand picnics alone, yeah
With nobody else
Rand picnics alone, yeah
With nobody else
Yeah, you know when Rand picnics alone
He prefers to be by himself

— George Thorogood & The Destroyers

Lucien said...

Those shoes bother me, too, but Rand isn’t wearing them. When a guy has a decent suit/shirt/tie combo, but dorky shoes, it bugs me.
A half Windsor knot with the dimple in the middle is my go to, though. And DC is such a four-in-hand town.

D.D. Driver said...

Republican attacked for being fiscally responsible. πŸ€£πŸ˜‚πŸ€£

We are so fucked. 🍾πŸ₯‚πŸ₯³

RideSpaceMountain said...

boatbuilder said, "the White House is throwing a picnic for Congress? What the hell?"

No kidding. WTF. They should serve chicken kiev and tell more than half of them they have to go to Kiev to get it, and don't come back.

Howard said...

Now you people are thinking maybe his neighbor was right to bitch slap Rand.

Peachy said...

I love Rand. Every else sucks. Trump's showing his uniparty.

Peachy said...

Trump spends like a corrupt democratic.

Peachy said...

7:03 space mt. You are correct.

rehajm said...

…did you see Rand’s shoes? It looks like he has the tan oxford version, like it was a bogo…

Bob Boyd said...

Rand Paul is the Bernie Sanders of the right.

rehajm said...

Can’t we all just this once have fun mocking the guy claiming the moral high-picnic ground? You guys are no fun…

Maynard said...

I am not sure about Rand Paul's political instincts, but he has always impressed me as being one of the few politicians with intellectual integrity.

Aggie said...

Feels like a staffer move to me. I bet he goes.

Google search doesn't seem to have any problem returning 10 gazillion results for a search on this, stories from every conceivable angle, it would seem.

I admire Paul for his crankiness when it comes to being a fiscal conservative. He shouldn't be all by himself up there, but he pretty much is. That ain't easy. But on the other hand, he's hamming it up pretty good out there, a word count on 'petty' would be dinging the bell pretty frequently. What do you call it when somebody does that, what's the word?

Iman said...

“Why is there a photo of George Will with this article?”

He’s the Designated Ant 🐜 @the picnic.

Aggie said...

And what is it about white soled shoes in DC? Everybody seems to love them. I figure it's a way of constantly reassuring themselves that the self-piled, knee-high sh*t they wade through every day is figurative.

Bob Boyd said...

I assume this is about Rand Paul wanting to cut border wall funding from $46.5 billion to $6.5 billion and cut the $150 billion for border security in the House bill to $75 billion.
He has also opposed deporting illegals unless they have committed other crimes, saying they can stay and work.

Peachy said...

When corruptocrats (the very ones who want Trump dead or in jail) are better than a fiscal conservative - you've f*ed a chicken.

Breezy said...

He relates one side of the story, remember.

RCOCEAN II said...

Maybe Trump should have the DoJ indict Paul on some bogus charge. Or cut his SS detail down to almost nothing and have the press encourage violence against thim. Maybe that would be more "highbrow".

Why should Trump have to socialize and pretend to like some asshole like Rand Paul. Senator Paul isn't doing what his voters want. He's not doing what his Party or President wants. He's helping the Democrats sabotage Trump's agenda.

Rand Paul is attacking and obstructing Trump in a way that he never did with Biden. And its either because he loves Open borders and massive immigration or because he's a grandstanding egomaniac.

His reasons for stopping the bill aren't "Grownup". They're stupid.

FredSays said...

It is Trump’s party and you have been dishing on his BBB. So no party for you. If you want to show him up, you can announce to the press you won’t be going to Trump’ military parade. There, now you’re even in the petty DC wars.

Peachy said...

Voters who only worhsip Trump - are only a fraction of the people who voted for him.
Most of us don't want more public debt piled on, or bogus bloated pocket stuffing projects.

Howard said...
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RCOCEAN II said...

I cant think of a single instance where Paul's losertarianism has resulted in one Goddamn thing that was good for the USA. Usually, he just grandstands and pretends to filibuster something because "muh small government" and after he's got some publicity, he caves and the bill passes.

If we want our Politicans to be Grownups, then lets stop with all the political failure theater and grandstanding. You'll notice the D's almost never do this. They just fall in line and vote with Schumer 95 percent of the time. The only exception if fake phony Bernie, who'll mouth a few words about "Helping the workers".

Howard said...

The sad truth is that Elon Musk was speaking the truth. The deep state has a metric shit ton of kompromot on Donald Trump forcing him to sign a pork laden deficit hogging bill. This is why Trump is scorning Rand.

Peachy said...

I'd prefer Rand as president - than the gold plated celebrity, who needs to be loved by the back-stabbers who tried to kill him.

Peachy said...

Perhaps Musk is right.

Breezy said...

Breaking: Trump on Truth Social says Rand Paul is of course invited to the picnic. He wants time with him to try to influence him a bit.

rehajm said...

…the meta issue is government spending hits the GDP number so when you cut the way government needs to be cut you’ve just signed the big beautiful depression bill into law…but they all knew that when they voted for the covid helicopter money…

RCOCEAN II said...

I don't know whats wrong with Kentucky Politiicans. But they're either snakes or weirdos. Paul's father is a complete goofball who opposed the border wall because "it would be used to keep Americans from leaving the USA". I mean you cant make that crap up.

The greatest libertarians of all time were the Old South slaveholders. They were against tarrifs, wanted free trade (including slaves), loved "small Government", and hated labor unions. Anything that made them money they were for, unless it threatened slavery.

Peachy said...

I've listened to Rand Paul speak about his objections to the BBB.
Rand is always gracious towards Trump. His issues with the BBB are not personal - they are all fiscal - and he lays them out candidly without emotion.

Bob Boyd said...

Why didn't Rand Paul say anything about hundreds of billions being laundered to NGOs? Oh, he didn't know about it until Trump and Musk came along and exposed it? Maybe he was too busy having intellectual discussions and keeping DC highbrow. Deficit hawk.

Peachy said...

Boyd - what are you talking about? Rand has.

Peachy said...

RC - once again - you are full of crap.

Peachy said...

The Uniparty is so corrupt - it needs to be trashed. Musk is right - we can do better.

rehajm said...

…and I tend to agree Rand has cover to mope that these bastards are spending too much in this bill that I helped get passed…they’re really all the Mayor of Shark City regardless of what they say…

Bob Boyd said...

Rand Paul wants 30 or 40 million illegals to stay in the country when the Dems are ready and waiting to grant them amnesty.
Illegals count for congressional seats. Illegals are the reason Congress is so close all the time that nothing can get done.
He wants to save money on the border wall? How much are we spending on entitlements for the illegals already here? Hundreds of billions. How many more will be coming when Trump leaves office?

Peachy said...

btw- A picnic? I hope they are serving lobster rolls and caviar.

B Boyd - I have heard anything about amnesty from Rand - do you have a link?

AMDG said...

FormerLawClerk said...
Rand Paul isn't a team player. There is a time and place for disagreement. That time is long past.

There is going to be message discipline and there is going to be voting discipline in the Republican Party or you are not going to be invited to anything.

You may disagree behind closed doors, but when the President and leader of the Republican Party makes his decision, you are to line up behind him and salute or get the fuck out.

6/12/25, 6:44 AM

—————————

I am just going to assume that this is satire.

AMDG said...

Yesterday there was mass deletion of posts by MAGA supporting the idea of stopping the issuing of Student Visas to Chinese citizens after the world’s greatest deal maker Included allowing them in his China deal.

I thought having 300K CCP members wondering around our campuses was a problem.

Peachy said...

The Democratic Party - is the GET IN LINE , OR ELSE, - party.
Effective - but evil.

Peachy said...

AMDG 8:33. - I thought that was crazy. Authorities just found 2 Chinese nationals with enough disease warfare to kill our crops and livestock.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Trump clarified that Rand IS INVITED and stressed the opportunity to work him for his vote.

https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1933146272275276070/photo/1

john mosby said...

Maybe Trump thought the sight of a huge lawn would trigger Rand’s PTSD.

JSM

Achilles said...

Peachy said...
I'd prefer Rand as president - than the gold plated celebrity, who needs to be loved by the back-stabbers who tried to kill him.

It is pretty cute to see you all fawn over career politics who are all talk and no hat.

Rand Paul says all of the right stuff. But his words and his actions do not match.

He has never accomplished a single thing.

I am done with politicians that just talk for 30 years and never actually accomplish anything. Ted Cruz is in the same boat. All talk. No leadership. Nothing ever changed because of anything Rand Paul did.

I would prefer a 2 trillion dollar federal budget. But people need to realize America is not ready for it. The BBB is not perfect but it is going in the right direction.

Lets actually take a few steps in the right direction for once.

Rand Paul is also China's catspaw on tariffs.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

forcing him to sign a pork laden deficit hogging bill

Wrong. The Big Beautiful Bill is neither a funding nor a budget bill. The CBO analysis is a piece of crap.

Michael said...

Rand Paul is right. This is petty. And with such slim margins in Congress, Trump can't afford to be alienating Paul or Massie with this stupid sh!t.

Trump's thin skin is a weakness.

Achilles said...

Peachy said...


Welcome to the team.

Does this mean you regret your support for Ron Desantis who has always been a Uniparty tool?

Bob Boyd said...

I didn't say Rand was for amnesty, but he said illegals can stay and work, not be deported. But the Dems are ready to grant amnesty and they will at the first opportunity. Then they will open the border again. Illegals are the key to a permanent one party majority in the house. That's why they are resisting deportation so strongly.
Trump and the American people have to break the resistance to enforcing US immigration law. Now is the time. It's now or never. Rand is opposing this. Are you okay with that?

Peachy said...

Achilles - Some of Trump's old promises are forgotten and in the dust bin. I bet you cannot say one negative thing about a Trump broken promise. Not one.
"America is not ready for it"
OMG - what's it like living in the folds of Trump's colon?

rehajm said...

Wrong. The Big Beautiful Bill is neither a funding nor a budget bill. The CBO analysis is a piece of crap.

CBO analysis is usually accurate and elegant but they’re only allowed to score what’s in front of them in the way they are instructed. It’s really the instructions what’s crap. Guess who makes the instructions?

…and a bit impatient yes but their sentiment is the same. wait till you see the GOP contortions if they have to sign on to anything…

Achilles said...

Michael said...
Rand Paul is right. This is petty. And with such slim margins in Congress, Trump can't afford to be alienating Paul or Massie with this stupid sh!t.

Trump's thin skin is a weakness.


Rand Paul is living in a fantasy world. This is not a budget bill. It is a reconciliation.

In the long term the only way anything actually changes is if we remove the illegals that are padding California's Congressional seating numbers.

You people do not understand why they are going to the mat on these riots. If all of the illegals are removed from the country they are residing in primarily Blue districts. If you conservatively say there are 30-40 million people here illegally that is 10% of congress seats and 10% of discretionary federal spending that is distributed based on population.

If you remove all of those illegals that will be a massive reduction in welfare, medicaid, and food stamp costs.

Rand Paul is always trying to lose. He says the right things but in the end his actions undermine any positive movement for what we want.

Rand Paul's words and his actions do not match. I don't think he actually believes any of the things he says.

D.D. Driver said...

"If you remove all of those illegals that will be a massive reduction in welfare, medicaid, and food stamp costs."

And every baby a free $1000! What go wrong?

...other than the Dems getting elected and turning the $1,000 into $5000, and $10,000 for refugee, and $100,000 if you have a slave ancestor! It will be BIG and BEAUTIFUL and EQUITABLE!!!

Trump is a trojan horse for outright Marxism.

Bob Boyd said...

"When asked recently in an interview how President Donald Trump should handle immigrants who entered the country unlawfully but haven’t otherwise violated another law, Rand Paul said his preference is to institute a work program.

“I’ve always thought the trade-off was this: If you came here illegally, you get to work, you still don’t get to vote and you really don’t get on a track to vote. You came here illegally,” Paul told the Herald-Leader on Jan. 10. “Your punishment is you don’t have a citizenship track, but you get to stay and you get to work.""

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article299361239.html#storylink=cpy

Peachy said...

Little known fact: Every employee at the CBO - is a democrat - and democratic donor. Cool!

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Some people around here are very quick to turn on Trump, even after 10 solid years of #FakeNews Media feeding us bad stories, feeding lies to senators to elicit an anti-Trump outburst like Paul had. The story stunk. I waited an hour and Trump debunked it.

Will anyone write the true origin of the fake disinvited story?

Achilles said...

Peachy said...
Achilles - Some of Trump's old promises are forgotten and in the dust bin. I bet you cannot say one negative thing about a Trump broken promise. Not one.
"America is not ready for it"
OMG - what's it like living in the folds of Trump's colon?


I am constantly saying that Trump is too nice. I wish Trump would go much farther and move much faster.

I think he makes deals with people he should and I think this budget is a concession to the uniparty traitor Republicans in congress. 200 of the Republicans in Congress are knifing Trump in the back as we speak just like Desantis did in 2017.

But at this point he has been the best president this country has had since Washington. He has been persecuted on our behalf.

I also realize the problem here is the Republicans in congress one of which is Rand Paul. The only thing the Republicans in congress seem to do is to make it so Trump has to get things done while herding a pack of feral cats. Democrat Presidents never seem to have any of these problems in congress.

From here it looks like Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell are working together and have the same goal of stopping Trump. That is what Rand Paul's actions tell me. Fuck his words.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

What’s petty is publicly complaining about it. A man complaining about not being invited to a picnic? Give me a fucking break….

Peachy said...

Achilles - you are a uni-party tool. Lets list some the people on Achillies not good enough/hate-list:
Marco Rubio
Ron DeSantis
Ran Paul
Ted Cruz
JD Vance
Musk

But like your gold plated hero - you're cool with all the corruptocrats, and they get a pass.

Achilles said...

Something seemed off on this from the start. Trump is a talker and would not miss a chance to talk.

Rand Paul is a liar:

“Of course Senator Rand Paul and his beautiful wife and family are invited to the BIG White House Party tonight,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “He’s the toughest vote in the history of the U.S. Senate, but why wouldn’t he be?”

“Besides, it gives me more time to get his Vote on the Great, Big, Beautiful Bill, one of the greatest and most important pieces of legislation ever put before our Senators & Congressmen/women. It will help to, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” he added.

“I look forward to seeing Rand. The Party will be Great!”

Rand Paul is a grandstanding do nothing. His words and his actions do not match.

At this point it would be folly to trust anything that Rand Paul says.

Rusty said...

Let's see.
Retirement savings going up, up, up.
Illegals leaving.
Manufacturing is coming back to our boarders.
Trade negotiations are, for the most part, successful.

Squabbling over who is invited to the picnic?
Don't care.

Dude1394 said...

every once in a while my favorite president does something ridiculously petty.

Wince said...

I'm a big boy and we can go have a picnic in another park... I mean literally every Democrat is invited, every Republican is invited, and to to say that my family's no longer welcome kind of sad.

Well, you always want to be careful about who you invite to your picnic!

"WELCOME HOME BOYS"

Achilles said...

Peachy said...
Achilles - you are a uni-party tool. Lets list some the people on Achillies not good enough/hate-list:
Marco Rubio
Ron DeSantis
Ran Paul
Ted Cruz
JD Vance
Musk

But like your gold plated hero - you're cool with all the corruptocrats, and they get a pass.


Your problem is you cannot think about actions and consequences. That is why you accept what people say at face value. You are gullible and a lazy thinker.

Marco Rubio has certainly at least pretended to see the light. He has grown up since the days when he tried to pass the "Gang of 8" legislation. He was one of the biggest betrayers. But he seems to be genuine now. We will see. I wouldn't trust him as the Executive.

Not sure what you think my criticisms of Musk are. You seem to be making shit up as usual. Musk made a mistake with his tweets. It was a stupid place to go. But he is essentially my hero.

Vance is saying all the right things right now and seems Genuine as well. But he was groomed in college and has a DEI lawyer wife. Again we will see. I would not trust him as the Executive at this point.

Ted Cruz is just like Rand Paul. All talk no cattle. Groomed in college and banker wife. His words and actions don't match.

Ron Desantis betrayed his voters as a Congressman in 2017-18. Further more Desantis signed on to the lawfare against Trump and worked with Democrats to oust Trump through criminal prosecution. His words and actions have never matched.

You could at least try to think about these things before throwing out your stupid ad-hom bullshit. You are really immature in your political commentary.

Tina Trent said...

Stop supporting open borders, and tell your dad to stop taking money from Iran through Thierry Meyssan?

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
"Some people around here are very quick to turn on Trump, even after 10 solid years of #FakeNews Media feeding us bad stories"

Needs to be emphasized and taken to heart by so many of the rock-ribbed conservatives commenting here. Very quick to spaz out over any Fake News report villainizing President Trump.
And for others crying that Trump isn't kowtowing to Paul. Trump is president, not Paul. Trump's proven himself a great president and great for the country, and his policies are working and turning our country around. He's in a fight for his life and the GOP should be united to a man behind him because his policies work for American citizens. Period, end of story!

Ralph L said...

I suspect the non-invite was a test, and he flunked it.

Eva Marie said...

Trump proving he is highbrow and intellectual: He just reinvited Rand Paul and his beautiful family to the picnic.

Peachy said...

Eva Marie - Good! but who did the un-invite? A staffer? That staffer should be fired.

Peachy said...

that said - *ugh * to a picnic.

Peachy said...

Achilles - your problem is that you live in Trump's colon.

hombre said...

Trump’s pettiness is one of those “take the bad with the good” things. It overrides his potential for greatness.

Lazarus said...

Rand Paul has grandkids? What does that make Ron Paul?

I know -- a great-grandfather -- but how time does fly.
·
Like many presidents, Trump overestimates his own people skills and deal-making ability. That's made problems for those presidents in dealing with foreign leaders. This is one case, though, where Trump ought to consider giving his people skills another try.

Peachy said...

To the asshole who said it's OK or even understandable for the insane leftist neighbor to beat up Rand Paul - and break his ribs.
Perch and Swivel.

Peachy said...

If you think it's OK to harm Rand Paul - go be a loyal Hamas Democratic f-head.

Tina Trent said...

Peachy, I personally think it's a stupid move. But Rand Paul is in many ways more destructive to the President than Democrats. He presides over some of the enemy forces within the Party, though he is also very smart, willing to reason, and articulate. Still a stupid move. I'm not a stupid Hamas Democrat, though.

Leland said...

Aggie @7:51, FTW.

Tina Trent said...

Lil' Marco, on the other hand, remains Al Cardenas' lying bagboy. Trump made a bad, or perhaps very strategic choice there. Loyalties are like bags of buttered popcorn for most in DC, but I won't forgive the Ray Sansom scandal, nor Gang of Eight, nor lil' Marco's outright theft of taxpayer funds at FIU.

Kevin said...

Breaking: Trump on Truth Social says Rand Paul is of course invited to the picnic. He wants time with him to try to influence him a bit.

It's killing people that Trump 47 gets to be the good cop...

Achilles said...

Peachy said...
Achilles - your problem is that you live in Trump's colon

Your problem is that this is the extent of your ability to discuss complex topics.

Yancey Ward said...

I don't disagree with the critiques of the Big Beautiful Bill and I would fully support Rand and any D.C. politician he could rally to shut the government down for however long it took to get the fiscal house in order by cutting spending, however, until Paul actually has such a blocking minority he is going to ineffective at advancing his goals. You have to pick your battles stategically.

Rocco said...

RCOCEAN II said...
"The greatest libertarians of all time were the Old South slaveholders."

The politest response is that, no, they were not. Slavery violates both the NAP and self-ownership principles.

"They were against tariffs..."

There are plenty of blind squirrels who hold different economic positions, and yet still do find a nut every now and then. But the squirrel is still not a libertarian.

"wanted free trade (including slaves)"

Free trade does not mean anything goes. A trade in humans that violates the rights of the Slaves (see the first point) is not a libertarian position.

"loved 'small Government',"

Poppycock. There were plenty of laws in the Slave States. And plenty of those laws enforced the 'peculiar institution. Just because the Slaveholders didn't want either Northerners or Abolitionists meddling in their affairs did not make them either small government advocates or libertarians.

"and hated labor unions."

Another blind squirrel looking for nuts.

"Anything that made them money they were for, unless it threatened slavery."

Which is not a libertarian position.

Libertarianism has a lot of flaws. But saying that the Southern aristocracy was libertarian is equivalent to making the "Hitler was a vegetarian" argument.

Peachy said...

Thank you - Rocco.

Peachy said...

Tina - with all due respect - standing up to wasteful spending is not dangerous.

Peachy said...

Yancey said
"advancing his goals"
If his goals are to cut wasteful spending - his goals are my goals.

jg said...

Thomas Massie+Rand Paul are bizarrely complaining about pushback from the public over their debt-ceiling (and suspected open-borders sympathy) grandstanding. Besides relishing the attention, they also seem to be trying to get sympathy martyr cred. Even more odd, they say that their critics are "paid". It's paranoid and embarrassing.

FullMoon said...

"Of course Senator Rand Paul and his beautiful wife and family are invited to the BIG White House Party tonight.."

See what he did there? You all read it as "he said 'his BIG beautiful Wife"

You should be ashamed of yourselves

Saint Croix said...

I love it when they get on the high road!

The funniest thing about Rand Paul is when this guy in Kentucky said, "We're used to his hair. We accept it."

Saint Croix said...

Rocco, rocking at 12:35.

Our Constitution is a libertarian document that is incompatible with the principles of slavery.

Jefferson's rough draft of the Declaration had this to say about the slave trade...

(King George) has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.

You'd think the NYT and the 1619 project would be aware of this draft, which is in the Library of Congress. Bad historians and bad journalists.

Of course the rest of the slave-owners demanded that this part of the Declaration was removed. But the hypocrisy and dishonesty and crimes that Jefferson saw would, over the decades, become apparent to a lot of Americans.

Howard said...

The Queens whipsaw Trump's the Potomac two-step

Lazarus said...

However philosophically inconsistent it might seem, many libertarians do sympathize with the Confederate cause. See lewrockwell.com for examples.

MJ said...

Isn't it odd people focus on this event as "this level" (meaning the lowest) when half of our government officials routinely refer to others as Hitler and fascists because calling them racist stopped working? Isn't it clear that is a far lower level?

Bunkypotatohead said...

"I've just been told that I've been uninvited from the [White House] picnic..."
Who told him?

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