It's Peter Thiel, responding to what one might think were easy questions from Ross Douthat, on the new episode of Douthat's podcast, here, at Podscribe.
Go to 00:37:32 to experience Thiel's freakishly long hesitation when Douthat has just asked if he'd like humanity to survive. And I love how he takes the concept of "trans" and runs with it.
Even though Thiel's cogitations wander into Christianity, he doesn't mention The Transfiguration, in Matthew 17. There, Jesus is "transfigured": "His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light," and a voice from behind a cloud says "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"
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To what extent is Peter Thiel a Christian?
I asked Grok. Answer here. Short answer: He openly identifies as Christian.
And here's a Vanity Fair article from last April: "Christianity Was 'Borderline Illegal' in Silicon Valley. Now It’s the New Religion/Believers like Garry Tan are flipping the script in the venture capital world, making faith matter just as much as the ability to turn a fortune. Says one entrepreneur, “There are people that are leveraging Christianity to get closer to Peter Thiel." Excerpt:
You don’t need to do much guesswork to see why smart Christians in Silicon Valley are growing more emboldened. After all, there are billionaires among their ranks. One of them is Peter Thiel, who has spoken about his evangelical leanings for more than a decade and who has lately shared his views on his faith with increasing frequency. “I believe in the resurrection of Christ,” he said in a 2020 talk. “The only good role model for us is Christ.” (In watching talk after talk of Thiel speaking about his faith, I found myself genuinely puzzled, not because Thiel lacks conviction but because his thoughts on the subject are so galaxy-brained that it seems like he’s playing a game of 3D chess that the rest of us are only catching up to: “When you don’t have a transcendent religious belief, you end up just looking around at other people. And that is the problem with our atheist liberal world. It is just the madness of crowds.”)...
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Theil is one of the most fascinating people of this era. When people ask what books from our time will still be read 100 years from now, Zero To One tops the list. Much like Elon (but less so) Theil is not thinking 3 or 4 steps ahead of everyone else, but 3 or 4 generations.
Here’s an interesting instance of “trans” in the Book of Mormon. Toward the end of the book, the prophet who hit up the record speaking to our day:
“ O ye wicked and perverse and stiffnecked people, why have ye built up churches unto yourselves to get gain? Why have ye transfigured the holy word of God, that ye might bring damnation upon your souls?”
He goes on
“35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.
36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.
37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.”
Transfiguring the word of God so you can do what YOU want.
"I am the Lord thy God. Pronouns: Thee/Thou/Thy, He/Him/His."
As far as I know, the change in in oneself that Christianity recommends is preparing to let go of the things in this world so as to prepare for another world. Love of one's body as it is, is bad. Surgery to get a better body in this world is probably worse. We are supposed to be grateful for God's creation. This is often not easy.
Catholics believe they will end up with a version of their actual body, as if attachment to this thing is natural. Apparently noone in heaven is stuck with an ugly, deformed or decrepit body, but this is for to God to decide. No Heaven on earth.
Transfigured is the integrated spectrum, an albino figure represented by a white light, a life from spirit to conception progressed with abortion on a cross in a Planned rite performed for social, criminal, political, and climate progress in the Roman empire while occupying Jewish communities in preparation for an unincorporated Palestinian territory.
WWJF?
What Would Jesus Fund?
God is a pure spirit. His son appeared as a male in the binary form of human sexes that would be fruitful and multiply as men and women equal and complementary in an evolution of spiritual bodies that would transmigrate from secular soil to an elevated state. Trans refers to a state or process of divergence.
His language on Christianity is “off”. “We want YOU to change…” “YOU also need to transform….” That’s a lot of transformation being effected by humans. And that’s not Christianity. Sounds more like a blend of technology and Mormonism.
Suffering, poverty, inequality...
Humans are really bad at evaluating the seriousness of subjective problems that can only be judged against relative standards.
We're so much better than we used to be on all these issues, but we are still convinced we're terrible people because we don't appreciate what an incredible achievement our current state is, how much worse nature intended us to be.
The soul is the embodiment and expression of the spirit in a carbon shell on a proving ground, where male and female binary sexes, a couple join in productive union paving the path for our Posterity to follow.
"transformed into an immortal body"
Not immortal. Immortal is a supernatural concept, unless it's being used in a trivial / non-literal sense (immortal fame). An indefinite lifespan is more appropriate.
I've been a believing Christian since early childhood, and the nature of that belief has always been shaped by the sciences, first my scientist/engineer father's ever-deepening faith, then my own multiple degrees and six decades in the sciences.
Each new discovery deepens my knowledge and concept of the divine. As astrophysics, quantum physics, cosmology and such move deeper into the realm of multi-dimensionality, certain really weird aspects of the Bible make more sense -- Jesus's sudden appearance in the locked upper room, or on the road to Damascus, or the Transfiguration, and so on.
It even might explain the vexatious question of "If a million people are praying at the same time, how can God be paying unique and intimate attention to each and every one?" Three dimensions of time make it easy.
Face it ... there's some very weird stuff in the Bible, but perhaps they were describing actual events in the best understanding and form they had at the time. And then there's 'Revelation' ... talk about weird. But it's also called the 'Apocalypse of John'.
It helps to know that an Apocalypse was a very popular literary form in the Greek-speaking world, which included the Holy Land. Our best modern equivalent is Science Fiction, which is not at all literally true, but is indeed full of deep truths about us humans.
'Revelation' is the same way ... and when Jesus says "I am the Door." please don't go looking for a knob and hinges. That probably pisses him off.
"There’s so many questions implicit in this"/"Should the human race survive?"/"Yes.... but..."
The qualifier speaks volumes.
Fringe groups like the Human Extinction Movement, and the various population control NGOs, aren't serious about wanting humanity gone. What I think they want is a reduction in the population of deplorables, and remaking the world into a zoo for their amusement. They probably think that they won't need many deplorables to do the grunt work of cultivating/harvesting food - they'll have robots for that - and the privileged few will live happily ever after.
Given the realities of human nature, lotsa luck with that.
“When you don’t have a transcendent religious belief, you end up just looking around at other people. And that is the problem with our atheist liberal world. It is just the madness of crowds.”)...
Wow. That's some nutshell.
Decarbonization to mitigate catastrophic anthropogenic climate change. Aborth+sequester, abstain, or play trans/homosexual games.
Bob Dylan claims transfiguration:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/20/bob-dylan-hells-angel-conversion
Part of being really smart and signaling to everyone you are really smart is not allowing for easy answers.
But they often aren't smart enough to notice how much that upsets most people.
Love of one's body as it is, is bad
I'm pretty sure this is part of one of the big famous heresies. Maybe gnosticism?
We'll all find out in the end.
He's a bored rich guy who's found a new thing, and people are going to try to use it to separate him from some of his money. It's amusing that he believes in Christ because he's looking for an edge over other people. The trans stuff sounds like he's high and rambling.
Sounds like the madness of crowds is after him now. I hope that they realize that Christ IS the best role model and actually follow His way foe real. And not in that commy pinko way ;)
Will there be a people on the Earth a million years from now that we, today, would recognize as human? Will there be a people on the Earth a million years from now whose history we could understand as our descendants?
Or even a 10,000 years from now?
In the year 2525/
Will man still be alive?
Zager and Evans, Lincoln, NE.
Excellent allusion, David.
Thiel: "Man, it’s so pathetically little."
No matter how many times I hear that, I never want to change sexes.
RR
JSM
With every breath our body changes. New oxygen enters; old oxygen departs, paired with carbon or hydrogen ingested earlier. "Me," "my body" are sometime useful fictions - just as in dealing with light it is sometimes useful to consider particles and sometimes waves. Understanding the true reality is denied to us by the Creator.
Equally liberating in finding faith in the Creator - serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can - is discarding the fiction of the immortal soul.
"Catholics believe they will end up with a version of their actual body, as if attachment to this thing is natural."
Not just Catholics. The belief that your spirt or soul will go to heaven is folk theology that comes from Gnosticism. Actual Christian theology, based on Biblical Scripture, is that there will be a resurrection into immortal and imperishable glorified bodies.
Thiel is so full of himself that he's willing to put up with Ross Douthat.
Waiting to find that cause of autism any day now. God knows we need it.
Perhaps Thiel will avoid confusing socialism with the teachings of Christ.
This is from 2016, but should worry everyone about the SV "nobles"
"I found crucial to what is distinct between libertarians and valley folk that Silicon Valley’s ideology is pro-market but it is not pro-liberty. Liberty is not a value. They are highly, highly, collectivist. They believe that every single person has a positive obligation to society and the government can help people or coerce people or incentive into making a unique contribution."
---Why Does Silicon Valley Seem to Love Democrats and Dismiss the GOP? A Long-read Q&A with Journalist Greg Ferenstein
AEIdeas. May 25, 2016
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Christianity, as a late writer has pointed out in words well chosen,* is the only system of socialism which commends it self as having a rational basis, and its founder the most practical teacher of it that the world has ever seen. " The aim of all socialism is the securing of equality in the social condition of mankind, and if equality is to be secured at all it will be secured only by changing the hearts of men, and never by setting to work, in the first instance, upon the conditions." But the present impulse of socialism is not Christian, but rather one willing to put an end to Christianity. And it is a system of machinery, like the kingdom of a tyrant, not of souls, like that of Christ. Now the Christian system did not rest on force at all. It was communistic, but not socialistic, as the word is properly used; for its very essence was the freedom of the individual will.
* Socialism and Legislation, Westminster Review, January, 1886
I wonder if Grok considers Grok galaxy-brained.
For verses to pop up in conversations, a Christian needs to go to church sometimes, if not regularly.
We were so close, there was no room
We bled inside each other's wounds
We all had caught the same disease
And we all sang the songs of peace
Some came to sing,
some came to pray
Some came to keep the dark away
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