June 17, 2025

"But during the transition Ramaswamy and Musk increasingly disagreed about how to make the government more efficient."

"Ramaswamy, who had apparently come around to the fact that significant cuts would require an act of Congress, began meeting regularly with a small group of legislators. Musk mostly did not attend. A source close to doge told me that Musk seemed to regard members of Congress as irrelevant, sometimes referring to them as 'N.P.C.s,'—non-player characters—the often mute and nameless figures who populate the backgrounds of video games. Musk was more interested in cutting spending via the executive branch, and spoke often, according to the source close to doge, of a need to 'control the computers.' In meetings, Ramaswamy resorted to using metaphors from the tech world to emphasize the importance of deregulation, calling the government’s rules 'the matrix' and insisting that doge needed to rewrite its source code. Musk was unmoved...."

Writes Benjamin Wallace-Wells, in "What Did Elon Musk Accomplish at DOGE? Even before Musk fell out with Donald Trump, the agency’s projected savings had plummeted. But he nevertheless managed to inflict lasting damage to the federal government" (The New Yorker).

50 comments:

Peachy said...

Oh Good gravy! Unless this New Yorker so-called mind reading jurno-D hack had an actual interview - I call bullshit.

RideSpaceMountain said...

"But he nevertheless managed to inflict lasting damage to the federal government"

Um, good?

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

LOL "lasting damage." Right. The Federal behemoth that has grown exponentially since COVID has been forever scarred by [checks notes] saving about $200 billion dollars or $200 million dollars, depending on who's counting. You see that tiny clawback of the extra $4,000,000,000,000 we spent post-COVID, about 0.005%, was the most crucial 0.005% in our budget!

Iman said...

Why ask the malevolent, mendacious haters what their take is on ANY SUBJECT? Fuck the Yew Norker!

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

Define “lasting damage”.

For example, is “lasting damage to Nazi Gernany’s war-making capability” a good thing or a bad thing?

Kai Akker said...

"managed to inflict lasting damage" he asserted without evidence

Yancey Ward said...

"Lasting damage" is hilarious.

Ramaswamy was correct, however (and this is me granting that the article's writer didn't just make up the entire article)- cuts in spending really do require Congress to act. At best, the executive can redirect funds that aren't explicitly targeted by Congress to a specific purpose and possibly stretch out the spending if Congress hasn't explicitly given a timetable. However, Congress can act here with the involvement of the President using the recission process that evades a filibuster in the Senate. That the White House and Congress has gotten only 9 billion dollars cut this utterly shameful and tells me that there really isn't a party in D.C. committed to cutting spending in any meaningful manner.

narciso said...

there are different wages of skinning that mangy cat,

administrative action, vs legislative stratagem, why do they write these things in the most retromingent way, because they work for the slithy toves lobby,

narciso said...

the former is checkmated by kamikazi judges, the second by the featherbedding instincts of the possums,

FredSays said...

Seems like their actions were a nice complement to each other.

Temujin said...

What he did was get the better part of the nation talking about what and how things can get cut. There will be cuts. What follows, how many more in next year's budget, and the one after that, remains to be seen.

There was more specific talk about the waste of our governmental departments than in other years. So he did get that going.
Plus...we got to see the Democrats protest, throw firebombs, and vandalize Teslas in favor of never cutting anything, any time. They do take peculiar stands.

stlcdr said...

'damage' to the federal government? I suppose if I don't buy that big screen TV it will damage our household budget.

Original Mike said...

Borrowing 40% of what we spend is causing lasting damage.

Howard said...

Musk is immature. This is a double edged sword. For building cars and launching rockets, it's a superpower. For turning around Leviathan, it's a fatal flaw.

narciso said...

no bankruptcy is not a mature strategy,

wild chicken said...

The Musk charisma is giving off Elizabeth Holmes vibes.

Kate said...

Congress as a bunch of NPCs. Hahahaha!

FormerLawClerk said...

Members of Congress ARE irrelevant in the context of how the Executive Branch is run.

Leland said...

I disagree Yancey. If NYT says Musk did “lasting damage”, then Musk was effective, and that matters. Otherwise, permanent damage does require an act of Congress. In the meantime, as Temujin notes, people are at least talking about the spending at Musk’s level, and that conversation should be happening.

The rest of the article is an attempt at drama from people who are replaceable by AI.

Darkisland said...

Isn't NPC a legitimate tag for most Congressfolk and Senators? They spend their lives there and seem to attempt to do next to nothing. They actually accomplish less.

The Brits call them "Back-Benchers", we call them NPCs but really all the same thing, no?

John Henry

Shackleton said...

I honestly don’t think Musk or Vivek had any idea what they were in for and probably didn’t make much effort to understand the task at hand. Probably too boring for Musk and Vivek always seemed a bit off in la-la land.

Mr. D said...

Vivek Ramaswamy intends to be a politician and he's running for governor in Ohio. He understands that he needs to play nice. Musk doesn't believe he needs to care what permanent Washington thinks. He may not be right about it, but that's his approach.

phantommut said...

Nobody mentions that the DOGE cuts destroyed the supply chain feeding the flood of illegals coming through Mexico.
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That's the real reason illegal crossings have plummeted; they can no longer get here from there.
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Progressives try to push the narrative that DOGE failed. It most certainly hasn't.

FormerLawClerk said...

"What Did Elon Musk Accomplish at DOGE?"

He exposed the Democrat-NGO-USAID federal $$$ pipeline.

Unfortunately, Republicans knew about this pipeline and funded it anyway because the Republicans have the same kind of pipeline and they don't want Democrats defunding it when they get back in power.

The two sides have a secret agreement not to fuck with the other side's federal tax dollar thefts.

planetgeo said...

The efforts to belittle the accomplishments of Musk and DOGE in ferreting out federal financial corruption and fraud are both petty and inaccurate. Like good birddogs they discovered it and pointed it out, but ultimately neither Congress nor Trump have chosen to pull the trigger. Mainly, because they discovered that both Democrats and Republicans had fat, fluffy little pet birds that were getting flushed out.

Even with the obstruction and blatant avoidance, DOGE did make considerable progress. Their discovery and dismantling of the USAID Democrat stealth funding infrastructure alone is worth a statue and U.S. Medal of Freedom for every member of the team. That ranks up there with the Israeli dismantling of Iran as one of the most brilliant and long-term takedowns of enemies of America.

Well done, Elon and DOGE.

hombre said...

“Lasting damage?” LOL!

tim maguire said...

Lasting damage--so something good did come out of his work.

But Ramaswamy is right and it's a shame Musk didn't see it--real cuts need to be ratified by congress.

Interested Bystander said...

Breaking up USAID was a big accomplishment. So many billions of tax dollars were being funneled to Communists around the world. All with the goal of destroying the West.

n.n said...

DOGE is an auditing operation authorized by the President who can follow through with executive reforms and judicial jujutsu. Budgets are conceived, birthed, and aborted in Congress. Perhaps placed on life support through overrides and trillion dollar deficits, etc.

Quaestor said...

Doing lasting damage to the federal government is a more than worthwhile accomplishment; it is a deed of true nobility.

Aggie said...

The truth is, they are both right. But it was Elon's computer sleuths that brought the receipts that sparked instant nationwide outrage about USAID and its hogwallow ways.

Ramsawaney's is the long game, and the more consequential one, if you put Elon's game at the front end. I wonder if Vivek was already running for governor in his head, and wanted an extended intelligence mission in DC to support it.

RMc said...
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RMc said...

(Musk) nevertheless managed to inflict lasting damage to the federal government.

If only.

Leora said...

Our college educated elites seem intent on re-enacting the society of "Brave New World. Protected savages on reservations, sex before eight, women obsessed with their sexual performance, porn as popular entertainment and drugs to mellow everyone out. Even the exploitative use of the Deltas for low level labor corresponds to their treatment of illegal immigrants.

effinayright said...

Darkisland said...
Isn't NPC a legitimate tag for most Congressfolk and Senators? They spend their lives there and seem to attempt to do next to nothing. They actually accomplish less.

The Brits call them "Back-Benchers", we call them NPCs but really all the same thing, no?
*************
How many times have we heard the Senate called an "Elite "Club"?

P.G. Woodhouse wrote that Bertie Wooster's "club" was called "Drones". Strikes a familiar note, no?

Ampersand said...

Whenever I need the straight story about the Trump administration, I go to Benjamin Wallace-Wells.

Mason G said...

You can lead a politician to waste and fraud but you can't make her stop spending money on it.

Political Junkie said...

Vivek can be annoying, but I think he might do better than Bobby Jindal.

Rabel said...

"How Kamala Harris Became Bigger than Donald Trump

Since taking over the top of the Democratic ticket, the Vice-President has closed the gap in the polls, broken fund-raising records, and given Democrats something to be excited about."

- Benjamin Wallace-Wells

Jim at said...

But he nevertheless managed to inflict lasting damage to the federal government

They really don't get it, do they?

bagoh20 said...

NPC is a complement. It suggests they are much less destructive than they are. Many are useless, but nearly all vote to destroy the future of the country on a regular basis. More like mosquitos in effect, insignificant except for one tiny detail, the thing they live for.

Lem Vibe Bandit said...

Damage to the ark of the covenant… or something.

boatbuilder said...

When my liberal friends decry the horror of draconian budget cuts, I say, 'I'm not asking for the world; lets just roll things all the way back to, I don't know, 2012--adjusted for population and inflation. Is that so unreasonable?

Apparently it is:
https://www.federalbudgetinpictures.com/federal-spending-per-person-is-skyrocketing/

Dave Begley said...

All I know is that I, David D. Begley of Nebraska, cut at least $390 million in federal spending by winning the Knox County lawsuit filed by Big Wind.

Mason G said...

Re: Potential draconian budget cuts...

If all those NGOs are really non-governmental, government budget cuts shouldn't matter to them at all.

Right?

Jamie said...

narciso, you are a treasure - I had to look up "retromingent" to be sure it wasn't a typo!

Kirk Parker said...
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Kirk Parker said...
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Kirk Parker said...

Mason g.,

You have it exactly correct. If a cutback in government spending causes a large contraction in your organization, then you weren't really an NGO in the first place, you were a captive subcontractor

Enigma said...

Musk-rat was the most arrogant and naive person to get into politics since...Trump in 2016 and AOC in 2018... Musk's impact has been that of a NPC, as follows from the video-game-player fantasy of single-handedly defeating hundreds and thousands of equally-matched enemies without a huge team.

I fear that Musk/DOGE's main impact will be to reinforce the status quo, as most Dems and Reps love love love the status quo. He demonstrated that "reform" and "cuts" are primarily lip service.

The proven way enact change in government involves slow, persistent, and non-inflammatory GRINDING AWAY of "the worst" problems. It can easily take 20 years to fix a problem that'd be addressed in 3 months or 3 years by private industy. There is zero interest and zero funding for clear and obvious efficiency gains, such as increasing IT budgets and bringing in qualified staff.

Feds are happy happy happy having unqualifed, symbolic, patronage DEI and Veterans employees running the show. The good (non-DEI, non-Veteran) people have long been forced to execute in the shadows as contractors.

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