May 18, 2025

"When asked why he removed classified material on Afghanistan, Biden admitted 'I guess I wanted to hang on to it for posterity’s sake.' That is precisely..."

"... what critics on CNN and MSNBC accused Trump of doing: removing material as types of keepsakes or trophies. One president was indicted for that and one was sent along his way to a second term in office. The real indictment that comes out of these tapes is a type of political racketeering enterprise by the Washington establishment. It took a total team effort from Democratic politicians to the White House staff to the media to hide the fact that the President of the United States was mentally diminished. If there were a political RICO crime, half of Washington would be frog-marched to the nearest federal courthouse...."

Writes Jonathan Turley, in "'For Posterity’s Sake': Why the Biden-Hur Tapes is a Virtual Racketeering Indictment."

But there is no "political RICO crime," Turley assures us. It's a conspiracy to do politics. In short, politics. Do you agree?

85 comments:

Skeptical Voter said...

Joe Biden has been a sandwich shy of a picnic lunch in the brains department for years now. And on his best days that picnic lunch was pretty skimpy.

Political Junkie said...

I agree with Jonathan, unfortunately. There are so many in Washington DC who are rich and have no skills except connections to wealth and decision makers. They are "self before country". We are doomed, I fear.

Sebastian said...

"In short, politics." Well, yes. But there's politics and politics. This was Dem politics of the worst sort: a systematic campaign of lying and gaslighting, aided and abetted by collusive media, to the advantage of party and detriment of country.

Question for the legal experts here: Hur said he did not bring his case since he did not think a jury would convict a symapthetic doddering old man who might lack means rea. But is that a good enough reason? Trials can serve other purposes, and if the evdence is strong, non-conviction is no sure thing. So wasn't Hur also playing protective politics?

Jaq said...

Of course they made it about age rather than cognitive decline. Just like they made Clinton's troubles about a "blow job" instead of about suborning witnesses, dissembling under oath, or about the plain old corruption that abounded during his administration.

Why did Putin give $200 million to the "Clinton Foundation"? So she could use it to grease the palms that needed to be greased to get the uranium deal passed. Bill probably explained to him that this was required in the little private dinner Putin paid him a million dollars to attend. Putin has laughed publicly about American corruption, which is probably why we are so mad at him now, saying this stuff out loud.

No, no, no. It was about a "blow job."

The rules of propaganda are very simple, just watch "Yes, Minister" for a fuller explanation.

rehajm said...

This is the trial. The non-confession confession without a verdict or punishment. Soon, it will be ‘time to move on’. Also soon: midterms. We do this now so we will claim all the bad stuff is behind us…so vote for us.

Mason G said...

The Democrats are lower than whale shit. All of them. and unfortunately, there are too many Republicans who enable them and aspire to the same level of shittiness.

Jaq said...

I don't get why rank and file Democrats put up with this level of corruption. Well, actually I do, they have all been convinced that Trump is worse. I just heard in a dinner conversation how Trump is sending American citizens to El Salvador just because they speak Spanish. They believe it. How do you argue with them? I don't. It's pointless, and I would just lose otherwise good friends. If I believed that Trump was rounding up Americans and sending them to overseas prisons, I would overlook a lot in those people bravely fighting him too.

If you point out that the winner of US elections gains control of a huge global military, trillions in spending, and a say in practically every large deal taking place across the globe, which brings into play the ability to demand baksheesh, the same way that Hillary did in Uranium One deal, and that our elections and independent press both depend almost entirely on the honor system, and that it's just possible that people who are sociopathic, and have psychopathic leanings have undermined them? Well, you are "crazy."

It's just like 1984, where they have the two minute hates against Goldstein, and during the entire period of hating on him, he is telling the exact truth. The point of the novel, and of Goldstein, whose words were writing by inner party members, after all, was to get people to hate the truth.

Kate said...

No. One president was indicted for it (even though the POTUS has some authority to keep documents) and one *vice-president* (who has no authority whatsoever to keep documents) was not indicted.

Yancey Ward said...

What Kate said.

Aggie said...

Not to mention the fact that the DOJ was so eager to convict Trump that it tainted the evidence to begin the case in the court of public opinion. Turley is very very careful to keep the light focused on Biden and Hur, and keep it off the discussion of a two-tiered system of justice.

Ann Althouse said...

The question is whether the way Trump and Biden were treated, individually and by comparison to each other, was somehow a crime. It was bad. But the discourse around how bad it was is politics. Anywhere to go from there except into more politics? Does anyone deserve to be charged with a crime for the way Trump and Biden were treated?

Esteban said...

Is it a crime that the members of the Executive Branch didn’t invoke the 25th Amendment regarding Biden?

Money Manger said...

Tur's "a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory" justification was only an excuse.

Tur didn't indict because he feared that the firestorm of the Democratic/media attack machine would descend upon him if he did so. And he was right.

Tina Trent said...

No. Questioned about the classified material, and prompted by his scummy advisor and Axios reporters who reminded him that someone was faxing the documents to Obama, not delivering originals as he claimed, Biden first said he couldn't remenber, then mumbled that he was storing them in his garage as an historic thing like the invention of the Gutenberg Press. Incontinent and lying. The real question is why the Axios reporters sat on this so long, and why are they revealing it right now in what appears to be a coordinated effort to highlight Biden's incompetence after years of the media and White House advisors to conceal it. Why? We need hearings.

narciso said...

except these documents went back when he vice president, which he didn't have the authority to possess,

GRW3 said...

No, usurping power of the President is treasonous. Everybody who worked in Biden's Whitehouse needs to be interviewed. Everybody. You're not going to indict maids and cooks but they may be able to paint a bigger picture of what actually happened.

In sort of a related item, I've always wondered if the trouble with Biden's biting dog was that he was responding to elder abuse and trying to protect dad. You can imagine how frustrating it was to try to run the country through this addled old man.

Jaq said...

We have always been ruled by cabals, ruling cliques who control the true levers of power, whether meeting in the court of King Edward the First, or dispersed across the capitals of the West, and meeting in person only in places like Davos. The rest is window dressing.

They had William Wallace drawn and quartered and dispersed his limbs to be hung for display in the four corners of the kingdom to remind people what happens to those who question their power, and the Trump prosecutions were a modern version of that same tactic.

tim maguire said...
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tim maguire said...

If hiding Biden’s dementia was a crime, then RICO applies. Given all the criminal laws (175,000?), it’s impossible to believe dozens to hundreds weren’t broken along the way.

Cleaning Washington of Democrats who betrayed their country to protect their guy won’t work for the same reason denazification didn’t work—if we arrest everyone who deserves to be arrested, the system will break down.

Leland said...

No, except I think Fani Willis needs to prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Bob Boyd said...

@ Narciso
Exactly right.

Did Trump even have comparable documents at Mara Lago? We only have the word of these known liars for what he had there.

Jupiter said...

"Does anyone deserve to be charged with a crime for the way Trump and Biden were treated?"
I believe the term you legal shmeagles employ is "prosecutorial discretion". Which is exactly why Soros realized that prosecutors come very cheap, when you consider how useful they are. Who owns the prosecutor, owns the law.

Jaq said...
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tim maguire said...

Ann Althouse said...Does anyone deserve to be charged with a crime for the way Trump and Biden were treated?

I suppose the real question is, how far does prosecutorial discretion go? It goes pretty far; too far, IMO. The best we can hope for by way of consequences is firing and cancelling of licenses. Plus a bit of karma (Letitia James).

narciso said...

no he didn't, but they put classified coversheets to make it look like it,

there is the alleged attack plan on iran, but they never actually presented it, it was hearsay, attributable to a bio of mark meadows (what happened to that)

Scott Patton said...

"It was bad. But the discourse around how bad it was is politics. Anywhere to go from there except into more politics? Does anyone deserve to be charged with a crime for the way Trump and Biden were treated?"
Only as a pretext. Apparently, that's what laws are for... to exercise power and attack your enemies (or for profit, and ideally, both). That's politics. So, no. Nowhere to go except into more politics.
I wonder if the founding fathers really thought, "this will never work".

Jaq said...

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Tina Trent said...

In 2016, Jill and Joe Biden reported appx. 400K in income. Then, two book deals, including that 'Daddy Run for President Because I'm Dead' abhorrence and some equally exploitative garbage from Jill, plus many millions in "speaker fees" when Biden was decaying mentally, increased their income to 16.6 million dollars between 2017 and 2019.

First, how did he possibly "write" a disturbingly calculated book about his son's tragic death and making (his share) about 15.9 million dollars in speaker fees with not one sponsoring organization or audience member observing his decline? Call them all before Congressional hearings. Including the ghost writers of the dead son's book. Second, do a forensic accounting of those speaker's fees. Haul every single organization before Congress.

That's equal justice. And also politics. Biden was a calculated Patsy for the biggest political scandal in decades. If he wasn't declining naturally, someone threw him down staircases until he was. He didn't have much brainpower to lose anyway.

john mosby said...

If you put an autopen signature on a document without any interaction with Biden, and send it out to other officials while claiming it's from Biden, that's at least 18 USC 1001, false statements. In fact you don't even need to do it in writing.

Now it's hard to prove a negative - that you didn't have Biden's direction or permission, especially since Biden is an unreliable witness.

But will you want to take that chance in this game of process-is-punishment, especially if we have dozens or hundreds of counts? Or will you plead out and roll on the other conspirators?

Mainly a question of whether the admin has the aggressiveness and tenacity to go through with this.

JSM

Tina Trent said...

Rehajm is right about the timing. If Congressional Republicans don't light a fire under their own asses, expect primary challenges.

Ralph L said...

A political crime requires a political punishment. Maximum exposure and public condemnation of all the people involved. What's most disgusting is no prominent Democrat will do so. Remember how the Washington press corps/establishment (even David Gergen) turned on the Clintons as they were leaving the WH in 2001? That lasted a couple of days.

RCOCEAN II said...

The real villians in this piece are the Senate Republicans. I cant remember anyone in the leadership getting upset at what was happening and making a stink about it. They supported railroading the J6ers, and they went into Pontius Pilate mode over the lawfare against Trump.

As for Biden, they welcomed his election, said zero about his seniliity, and approved all his far-left appointees. They were even praising Garland! They've stopped more Trump nominees than Bidens.

Jaq said...

On Hunter's laptop was a letter that he wrote offering his services to Burisma. For a crackhead, he had a pretty detailed and incisive understanding of the current state of Ukrainian politics. It was almost as if he had access to classified State Department assessments regarding Ukraine, like the ones stored in a cardboard box in Dad's garage, next to the car that we have pictures of Hunter driving.

RCOCEAN II said...

We knew from the special prosecutor that Biden had treated classified material as the ex-VP with less disregard for security and the law then Trump. But the Prosecutor just said "Hey, I probably cant convict, so no harm no foul". Just like they did with Hillary.

Massive double-standards and hypocrisy doesn't matter if no one with power gets upsets and starts shouting about it. The DC Republicans said almost nothing. So the MSM just did one day reporting - and moved on.

RCOCEAN II said...

You can't win with GOPe types. They don't want to fight the left, they on want to fight the right. Remember those clowns running in 2024? They wouldn't attack the lawfare (except for Mr. V) against Trump. Christie actually supported it. Even Pence refused to attack it. DeSantis blew hot and cold. Total wimps and losers. And typical Republican Pols.

Original Mike said...

Hiding the President's mental infirmity and, thus, running the country in secret, must be a conspiracy to defraud the citizens of the United States. How can it not be?

Jaq said...

James Comey, who was Eric Holder's "protege" per the Washington Post, decided that Hillary Rodham Clinton, a former First Lady who was very involved in her husband's administration, for US Senator, and who was confirmed by the Senate as Secretary of State lacked the knowledge of the law to have intentionally violated it and so charges were dropped on "mens rea" grounds. He said that while she was extremely careless, she was not grossly negligent, even as prisoner accused of helping the US in Iran, was dragged from his cell and hanged after her carelessly handled emails leaked, and she had fingered him for helping us in them.

It's like we live in Europe, where judges and spy chiefs do the political bidding of selected officials, selected by the WEF.

Jaq said...

BTW, intent was not a requirement for conviction, so Comey's cite of mens rea was completely irrelevant to the law.

Wince said...

Simply make it a crime for a government official to lie to the public the way it's illegal for a member of the public to lie to a government official.

Jersey Fled said...

“ Did Trump even have comparable documents at Mara Lago? We only have the word of these known liars for what he had there.”

As far as I know, we still don’t know what is in those files Biden shipped off to Penn and the University of Delaware. Don’t forget those.

Mason G said...

“ Did Trump even have comparable documents at Mara Lago? We only have the word of these known liars for what he had there.”

If there was anything that could be used against Trump, we would have heard about it by now.

"As far as I know, we still don’t know what is in those files Biden shipped off to Penn and the University of Delaware. Don’t forget those."

If there was nothing that could be used against Biden, we would have heard about it by now.

n.n said...

Persecutorial indiscretion.

Jaq said...

Remember that email on Hunter's laptop where he requested that a key be made for Chinese nationals to an office of the Penn-Biden Foundation where classified documents that Biden had absconded with were kept?

Jamie said...

It seems to me that it's pretty challenging to maintain cruel neutrality these days.

Iman said...

Dems lie, lie, lie.

Own up to telling the American people who - or what - was actually making the presidential decisions in lieu of demented, decrepit Joe Biden.

Iman said...

@RandyEBarnett
“We don’t need
@jaketapper
or anyone else to tell us Biden has been increasingly senile since the 2020 election. We need them to tell us who was actually running the federal government from 2020-2024 and how they did it. You’re not coming clean until you come clean about that.”

Original Mike said...

Jaq said..."I don't get why rank and file Democrats put up with this level of corruption. Well, actually I do, they have all been convinced that Trump is worse."

Yeah, but they were all convinced that GW Bush was worse, and John McCain was worse, and Mitt Romney was worse. Mitt Romney! This isn't a Trump phenomenon.

Jersey Fled said...

“ Yeah, but they were all convinced that GW Bush was worse, and John McCain was worse, and Mitt Romney was worse. Mitt Romney! This isn't a Trump phenomenon.”

And of course Ronald Reagan was definitely worse. And he only won 49 stares.

Lazarus said...

Politics is more or less a conspiracy. It's two teams striving against each other for power. The competition is so intense that there's nothing a party wouldn't do if it could get away with it. Republicans couldn't get away with much because the media wouldn't let them. With the major media on their side there was nothing Democrats wouldn't stoop to.

That's the problem with Tapper's thesis. People like Jake Tapper let the Democrats get away with lying about Biden's condition. The White House wouldn't have dared lying if they knew the media wouldn't stand for it.

Ampersand said...

"For posterity's sake" is code for hoarding documents that he can give to family members so they can use for potential resales or potential tax writeoffs. Biden and his spawn are thieves.

Yancey Ward said...

A biased application of the law is a direct violation of the Civil Rights Acts of various years. Not easily proven on a single case and you would never get a Democrat convicted of it in D.C. but the biased attempt to prosecute Trump in Florida could possibly be brought as a case against whoever in the DoJ had direct responsibility for the two cases- you go up the chain far enough you can find that person.

Big Mike said...

But there is no "political RICO crime," Turley assures us. It's a conspiracy to do politics. In short, politics. Do you agree?

Of course not. The RICO acronym stands for “Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations”. If the Democrat party is not a corrupt organization then the word “corrupt” has no meaning.

Mason G said...

"Biden and his spawn are thieves."

If that's all they were, the country would have been in much better shape when Brandon was ushered off the stage.

Big Mike said...

Does anyone deserve to be charged with a crime for the way Trump and Biden were treated?

Some questions for Althouse. First, do you agree that lawfare is a bad thing? Or are you comfortable with it because it’s mostly (exclusively?) used against conservatives, who deserve it for being conservative?

Second, if you agree that lawfare is bad, can you identify any way of stopping it that does not involve punishing its practitioners? Note that shame alone cannot do it thing if the targets for shaming have no notion of honesty and no sense of shame.

Achilles said...

If there were a political RICO crime, half of Washington would be frog-marched to the nearest federal courthouse...."

What do you mean if?

There are thousands of people in Washington DC that committed multiple crimes.

Achilles said...

Lazarus said...

That's the problem with Tapper's thesis. People like Jake Tapper let the Democrats get away with lying about Biden's condition. The White House wouldn't have dared lying if they knew the media wouldn't stand for it.

This is wrong. Tapper did not "let them get away with it."

Tapper was a criminal and an active part of the conspiracy.

Every one of these "Journalists" who have multimillion dollar contracts in the MSM are getting paid with NGO/USAID money that their owners got from the legion of contracts and grant that stole money from US taxpayers and gave it to Regime cronies who use that money to pay people like Tapper.

Achilles said...

Ann Althouse said...
The question is whether the way Trump and Biden were treated, individually and by comparison to each other, was somehow a crime. It was bad. But the discourse around how bad it was is politics. Anywhere to go from there except into more politics? Does anyone deserve to be charged with a crime for the way Trump and Biden were treated?

There are thousands of people in Washington DC that need to be made an example of for future generations.

They started wars, stole billions of dollars, threw people in jail, installed censorship regimes and used unregulated militias to terrorize US citizens.

Paul said...

Betraying the USA is not a 'political RICO crime'... BUT IT IS TREASON!!!

Readering said...

When it came out that Biden had retained classified documents he cooperated, and did not try to stop appointment of special counsel. I had expected him to take extra step and pardon Trump, but remains the case that the two situations were not comparable. Trump obstructed and lied and got others into trouble. I believe even Turley acknowledged the seriousness of the case against him. I viewed Trump's actions as they unfolded as evidence of lack of executive function and mental decline.

Kirk Parker said...

"if we arrest everyone who deserves to be arrested, the system will break down."

I'm already in favor of arresting everyone who is complicit in this, you don't have to keep selling me! But tell me, is there any downside?

Mason G said...

"There are thousands of people in Washington DC that committed multiple crimes."

Might be quicker to identify the ones who haven't.

Jaq said...

Readering sure does commit to her propaganda. Where is the part where Trump gave access to any documents he may have had to his unregistered foreign agent son, kept them utterly unsecured in his garage? Or where he gave unmonitored access to Chinese nationals who had contributed millions to his "Penn-Trump" Foundation? Oh, wait, that was Biden.

Biden's purported "co-operation" came after a SWAT raid on Trump's home. He never did return all of the documents, he just said "Let's not and say with did," and the press went along.

Jamie said...

but remains the case that the two situations were not comparable.

I agree!

Trump, as the former President, could plausibly claim a right to the documents in his possession, had possessed the right to classify and declassify, and was negotiating with the National Archives over which docs were appropriately considered "personal," just like any other former President.

Biden, as former Vice President, could make no such claim.

Mason G said...

" but remains the case that the two situations were not comparable."

Yep. Unlike with President Trump, there is no conceivable legal reason for VP Biden to possess classified documents.

Jaq said...

Trump declassified the documents simply by taking them with him. The same way the Pope "blesses" all of those trinkets they sell in the Vatican by waving his hand at the truck delivering them as they drive by his window. Joe Biden had no such authority.

Jamie said...

I believe even Turley acknowledged the seriousness of the case against him. I viewed Trump's actions as they unfolded as evidence of lack of executive function and mental decline.

But then, you would, wouldn't you?

Can you point me toward any comment you made during the Biden administration suggesting that you doubted Biden's "executive function" or noticed any signs of "mental decline"? Because a whole lot of us certainly did, based on the readily available and abundant evidence, not simply a personal interpretation of a disputed event.

Jaq said...

"“The classified materials included some top-secret files with the ‘sensitive compartmented information’ designation, also known as SCI, which is used for highly sensitive information obtained from intelligence sources.” - CNN

These materials were kept in a private office, keys to which were provided to Chinese nationals at Hunter Biden's request. The same Chinese nationals who donated millions of dollars to Joe Biden's "foundation." The "foundation" that paid Joe Biden a million dollars for a no-show "teaching" job at Penn, where these are no records of him ever teaching a class.

That's called "money laundering," BTW.

Jaq said...

BTW, this foundation that accepted millions from Chinese nationals, and provided unomonitored access to classified documents to them? The one that paid Joe a million dollars for a no show job? Run by Blinken, whom Biden then appointed as Secretary of State. A job he did worse than Hillary Clinton.

Mason G said...

"A job he did worse than Hillary Clinton."

I don't hear any Democrats complaining.

Achilles said...

Readering said...
When it came out that Biden had retained classified documents he cooperated, and did not try to stop appointment of special counsel.

Of course. He knew his corrupt AG Garland would protect him and he would never be charged with a crime.

And he wasn't.

He also knew that Garland would find a way to charge Trump with the same thing, even though Trump was the President and literally could not have committed a crime in his official capacity under Article II.

And they charged Trump.

You are just a terrible person even trying to argue this.

Milwaukie guy said...

I don't see this emphasized enough.... Biden's docs he shouldn't have had were stored in an unsecured garage at his vacation home. Trump's docs he had a right to have were stored in his Mar el Lago residence which has 24/7 protection by the Secret Service.

Aggie said...

Now that we're getting this string of comments reminding us of just how completely crooked Joe Biden is, consider this: It's just been announced by the Biden family that Joe has advanced prostate cancer. Why?

Prostate cancer is a slow-moving cancer. It is easily discovered by a simple blood test because it produces a specific antigen. Men over 50 usually get a PSA test in their annual blood work, if they're under a physician's care. When PSA levels exceed a threshold value, then it's time for biopsy work, where several samples are collected and the diagnosis is made. The diagnosis, if it's positive for prostate cancer, will include the degree of severity. A Gleason score of '9' is high risk.

In Joe Biden's case, this should not have been a surprise to his doctors. It was almost certainly not discovered last week. It's a very slow-moving cancer, and the medical odds often predict that men will die of old age before they die of prostate cancer, even though they have it for years. I would bet Joe has been under constant monitoring for some time, because it's something they would have noticed a few years ago with rising PSA levels, and have been tracking closely since.

So: Why now? Maybe because the Bidens are coming under attack and Joe's legacy must be defended. Too bad for him, he's outside the defensive perimeter of the progressive legacy media now, who are looking for a way to advance their mid-term prospects. That makes him the subject of attention, maybe even a target - as we've seen this past week.

FullMoon said...

Speaking of Biden, here is a post from former frequent commenter "I'm Full of Soup":

Wednesday, March 24, 2010
Joe Biden has been a poster boy for term limits ...Vote For Some New Faces!

DON'T VOTE FOR THESE SPENDTHRIFTS!

WE NEED SOME NEW BLOOD IN WASHINGTON!

ELECT PEOPLE WHO WON'T SPEND US INTO THE POORHOUSE!

This man sat in the U.S. Senate for 36 years while the federal government spent the country into near bankruptcy.

Joe Biden joined the senate in 1973 when the social security tax rate was 9.7% and the maximum tax was $1,048 per year. When Biden left the Senate 36 years laters, the tax rate was 12.4% and the maximum tax was $13,243! During Biden's stay in the Senate, this government program's income grew exponentially yet the program is nearly broke. What does this tell you about people like Joe Biden? That no matter how much they increase taxes, it is never enough to cover their exorbitant spending!

Politicians like Joe Biden are incapable of fixing the county's fiscal problems. They caused the problems. And then they kicked the can down the road.

Don't trust Joe Biden to fix our country's finances. Don't let him enact new taxes to cover up his sins! And don't trust his boss, Barack Obama, to fix these spending problems either! Vote for the new guys! The American people need some new blood in Washington!

Note: Biden was not alone in screwing up the government checkbook. There are many, many other longtime members of Congress who are as guilty as Biden. They include John McCain, Arlen Specter and Frank Lautenberg to name just a few.
Posted by I'm Full of Soup at 5:10 PM

Original Mike said...

Aggie said: "In Joe Biden's case, this should not have been a surprise to his doctors. It was almost certainly not discovered last week."

Aggie, they would never lie to us about the President's health. Shame on you for even thinking such a thing.

Jaq said...

"I viewed Trump's actions as they unfolded as evidence of lack of executive function and mental decline."

Textbook propaganda. Always, if your opposition is scoring points on some issue, accuse them of the same thing, only worse. It confuses normal people, who aren't used to dealing with adults who are liars.

Readering said...

I wrote this at the time here.

Jaq said...

"I wrote this at the time here."

It's called the attribution fallacy, and if you aren't intentionally writing propaganda, you are a victim of it. I am sure you don't feel like a victim, I am sure that you "love Big Brother."

Jim at said...

When it came out that Biden had retained classified documents he cooperated, and did not try to stop appointment of special counsel.

Biden had no authority to possess those documents. Any of them. Any where. In any capacity. Zero.

Claiming, "Oopsie! My bad. Here you go..." is bullshit, and you know it.

Or at least you should.

Readering said...

Jim: not defending Biden for having the docs. Why i thought he deal with it by pardoning Trump.

Jaq: ???

Balfegor said...

Instead, Hur declared it would have been hard to get a jury to convict Biden because he was “a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”

It appears that Trump, on the other hand, was presumptively not sympathetic or well-meaning and possessed a good memory for prosecution.


Well, yeah -- wasn't that the linchpin of Hur's decision againt prosecution? Trump, very obviously, posesses the mental capacity to remember and understand all the facts necessary to establish his mental state for a jury. It would be an uphill battle to establish that Biden was capable of forming the necessary mental state. That's not to say he was or wasn't mentally competent at the time -- trials aren't about reality. Just that if a jury saw Biden struggling to remember basic facts and struggling to communicate, they might have reasonable doubt as to whether this doddering old man even understood his papers contained classified information and that he wasn't authorised to keep them.

Bruce Hayden said...

“If you put an autopen signature on a document without any interaction with Biden, and send it out to other officials while claiming it's from Biden, that's at least 18 USC 1001, false statements. In fact you don't even need to do it in writing.”

“Now it's hard to prove a negative - that you didn't have Biden's direction or permission, especially since Biden is an unreliable witness.”

I think that you attack the pardons first, but indirectly. Maybe indict Fauci, though I suspect that the popular choice would be non congressional J6 or RussiaGate perps. DOJ or FBI. Congress critters like Schifty or Cheney could raise Congressional immunity, and it might work. If it’s going to be someone on the J6 committee, probably should be Cheney, daughter of Darth Cheney.

The initial goal is to force them to raise their pardon as a defense. Attack it on the grounds that Biden didn’t sign it. The Constitution says that the President can issue pardons, but the President didn’t personally sign the pardon. Burden is now on the movant/defendant to show that Biden authorized it. How? By phone? Where are the phone records. By email? Ditto. They need corroboration that Biden approved it. They likely won’t find it, and if they could have, likely covered their tracks already and deleted it. Besides, the people operating the Auto Pen aren’t going to be willing to take the fall. That means that they will likely finger those ordering the to use their Auto Pen. They all are on the hook for forgery, etc. Who are they willing to commit perjury to protect? Hence the reason for picking an unsympathetic defendant first.

Readering said...

Good luck with that.

phantommut said...

Every person with obligation to act under the 25th Amendment violated their oath to the Constitution.
That ain't politics.

Achilles said...

Readering said...
Jim: not defending Biden for having the docs. Why i thought he deal with it by pardoning Trump.

You are defending Biden. You are constantly defending criminal democrats and making things up to criminalize Trump.

Jaq: ???

He just pointed out that you are a lying POS.

Good luck with that.

And the flippant response of the corrupt POS comes out after her lies are repeatedly revealed.

Keep using your corrupt courts. Keep leaning on your corrupt courts to thwart the will of the majority of voters. Please.

You think the institutions you have built to protect your corruption and warmongering and globalist looting will protect you from the majority will of the electorate. Every time you corrupt sleazeballs pull this crap you just push the pendulum a little higher.

Tim said...

It is at least malfeasance in office, and should be punished.

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