"... as if it were a given that a woman virtually freed of her uterus and visual sexual signifiers would obviously pose some considerable threat. Consider the guidelines of a pamphlet for operators published by the Chicago Telephone Company in the early 20th century and called 'First Lessons in Telephone Operating.' The book was used to train some of the first generations of disembodied female voices — belonging to women who were given entree into a new line of work only because the young men who preceded them found the job so annoying that they were, in fact, uncontrollably rude. 'The training of the voice to become soft, low, melodious and to carry well is the most difficult lesson an operator has to learn,' the guide reads.... The voice of novel technological communication has been, almost from the beginning, a female voice, which is to say the voice of a helper, a perfect helper, pleasant, unflappable, immune to insults, come-ons and bossiness. It’s a short path from the telephone operator to Apple’s Siri and Amazon’s Alexa, both forever placating, always even-keeled, impervious...."
Writes Susan Dominus, in "Has the Internet Changed How Women Sound? Technology’s many automated female voices are nothing if not helpful" (NYT).
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I think this passage tells us more about the writer than about the history of technology.
Men have been in service just as long as women. The Jeeves tone for use with one's idiot 'betters' was perfected at least a hundred years before the phone came along. If the initial male operators were rude, they were recruited from the wrong stratum of society, or not given enough training.
JSM
Back in the 90s, London Underground used a particular voice artist in their automated voice features. Her voice was deep, warm, a bit breathy--sort of a cross between Marilyn Monroe and Margaret Thatcher. She suggested that we "Mind the gap" when getting out of the Tube cars. Today, same message, different voice.
Has anyone else noticed that a lot of men in podcasts have developed the valley girl uptalk? I get really annoyed with it. It makes men sound especially stupid. I get the impression they never review their own work or just don't hear it. No big names do it, but a lot of men trying to be successful do. They need to stop.
"If the initial male operators were rude, they were recruited from the wrong stratum of society, or not given enough training."
That claim is a cover-up for the real reason women were hired. They would work cheaper.
"Automated voices shouldn't be obnoxious! Story at 11!"
What sort of brainless whiny piece of shit do you have to be to be upset that wen get the jobs instead of men?
Oh, and since Siri was mentioned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAu3uVstPFA
In my experience they’re more likely to channel Lilly Tomlin’s Ernestine:
"We don't care. We don't have to. We're the phone company.”
When my grandmother first came to Cincinnati in the early 1900s, she got a job as a telephone operator. My grandfather, who was working at a job that required a bit of telephone usage, liked the sound of her voice, so he kept thinking up excuses to talk to the operator.
Apparently shrieking nag doesn't test well with focus groups.
..If the initial male operators were rude, they were recruited from the wrong stratum of society, or not given enough training..
..the real reason women were hired. They would work cheaper..
Higher pay scales would/could have meant nicer men..
Women were happy with the existing pay scale..
WHY do women make less than men? Because they will
I prefer the male, Aussie voice on my GPS.
The nagging voice was not popular.
like Harry Mudd's wife Stella,
The voice of novel technological communication has been, almost from the beginning, a female voice, which is to say the voice of a helper, a perfect helper, pleasant, unflappable, immune to insults, come-ons and bossiness.
Her know-it-all voice is so irritating I’d rather have my wife of 38 years tell me where to go.
Our Alexa voice is set as a male voice to get away from the standard sounding female voice. Several years ago, I set my phone’s Siri voice to an (Asian) Indian accent just for fun. My wife hates her car’s navigation system voice - it is female, and can sound very condescending when giving directions.
“Switchboard Susan, won't you give me a line?
I need a doctor, give me 999
First time I picked up the telephone
I fell in love with your ringing tone
I'm a long distance romancer
I keep on trying till I get an answer
Gimme gimme one more chance
She's a greater little operator
Switchboard Susan, let me off the hook
I've been this way since you give me your look
Switchboard Susan, you're all the rage
Come on sugar, let's get engaged
I'm a long distance romancer
I keep on trying till I get an answer
Gimme gimme one more chance
She's a greater little operator
Said I'm a long distance romancer
I keep on trying till I get an answer
Gimme gimme one more chance
She's a greater little operator
When I'm near you girl, I get an extension
And I don't mean Alexander Graham Bell's invention
Switchboard Susan, can we be friends?
After six, at weekends…”
"The training of the voice to become soft, low, melodious and to carry well" ...
This is a proper, healthy, and sustainable speaking voice. Of course they trained people back then. Moses supposes his toeses are roses. Rrrround tones, round tones.
Plenty of male radio DJs also had this sound.
"Several years ago, I set my phone’s Siri voice to an (Asian) Indian accent just for fun."
My greatest anxiety about the 2024 election was that Kamala would no longer be available to do the voice for our Alexa.
A lesson in Diversity? People are just a bit more discerning to avoid falling into that ideological tar pit.
Trump has selected two of the women with the most mellifluous voices in public life for positions within his admin, Tulsi Gabbard and Tammy Bruce. Tulsi of course ran as a Democrat for the nomination to face Trump in 2020. Bruce was a "contributor" on Fox News Channel but had a long career in talk radio before that, based at powerhouse KFI in Los Angeles. She is now spokesperson for thew DOJ. I could listen to either one read me a bedtime story anytime.
"..carefully controlled so as not to provoke outrage as if it were a given that a woman virtually freed of her uterus and visual sexual signifiers would obviously pose some considerable threat."
Are people at the NYT's mentally ill? Where is this bizarre interpetation coming from? There's no evidence that anyone back in 1900 or whenever was "Threatened by a woman freed from her uterus".
What a vulgar bizzare way to even write. Is this some sort of leftwing feminst cant that has be dropped into every article about women? Why not just use the word "Cunt" if you're be so "earthy"?
This is a proper, healthy, and sustainable speaking voice. Of course they trained people back then.
'Tis true. Podcasting has allowed a whole lot of untrained voices to dominate the shows exacerbating our national deficit of sweet voices. Not only are they untrained, now even radio announcers routinely "pop" their P's into the mic, and rush through copy like the old MicroMachines guy. I trace it all back to Gilbert Gotfried, once his obnoxious voice schtick scored his work other horrendous voices were hired all over the place. On the other hand, most authors who appear on the New Yorker Fiction podcast to read short stories have very pleasant reading voices. It's funny because some (Joseph O'Neil comes to mind) will mumble their way through the pre-read interview with host (with an ok but not great voice) Debra Treisman, and then magically their outstanding reading voice kicks in when they start reading the fiction. I think this stems from the public readings that are such a part of the whole author experience nowadays.
"Automated voices" are artificial and creepy. Your own voice imparts a lot of information about what you are saying. You lose that if you use a computer generated voice. Most people need to learn to use their own voices. (Plus, I'd be willing to bet that men are mostly responsible for creating the software that makes computer generated voices.)
Why do women now (and men who are progressive politicians) wildly, incessantly, with bizarre particularity, as if pointing to unseen things, talk with their hands?
If the voices were men's voices the feminists would bitch about that.
It’s called the Hand Jive, DAN. It’s used to distract from the inanities and provable lies that escape their progphibian pieholes.
Untrue. The first generations of female factory workers, then industrial workers, were valorized by American industry as bold, capricious and adventuresome in popular culture, fiction, and industrial advertisement. Phone girls, in practice, may have been trained to be above their station in education, but that was an exception. Modern artificial female voices are a product of the sexual exoticism and submissiveness demanded by men, mostly leftists, of our era, but there was healthy pride in energetic women in business, admittedly in subservient positions, for decades earlier than that.
Do academicians know anything?
There's a popular meme of Mad Men's Don Draper in front of a white board saying, "It's like ________, but _____________." Fill in the blanks however you want to produce an apparently clever, but actually stupid, new concept or product. In this case, "It's like the "male gaze," but with the ear."
... as if it were a given that a woman virtually freed of her uterus and visual sexual signifiers would obviously pose some considerable threat.
In other words -- trans women. Admittedly, Dylan Mulvaney isn't scary, but I'd get out of the way of Admiral Levine or Colonel Pritzker.
Oh. It's by Susan Dominus. That ignorant slut, as one progressive meme goes, has her own personal blind squirrel hoping for an occasion nut.
Free LaShamu McIver (D-DaFattest) now!!!
"DAN said...
Why do women now (and men who are progressive politicians) wildly, incessantly, with bizarre particularity, as if pointing to unseen things, talk with their hands?"
Gavin Newsom wants to literally pull, or drag, or reel his audience into agreement with him through his hand gestures. I don't know what his "shoulder shimmy" is about though.
I wish I could set Siri to a Gilbert Gottfried voice...
I set my Siri to an English female thinking I'd be less inclined to bitch back at it; didn't work.
Back probably 20 years ago when companies were just starting to try voice recognition and having a 'live'-sounding person on the other end, some company had one that was supposed to sound very conversational and it just PO'd me more. It was a 20-something-ish female and when it didn't understand something it would go "I....didn't *quite* get that." Up the wall I flew.
I've been waiting years for Douglas Rain (HAL) or his estate to give the okay to use his voice but I fear I shall never get to experience that.
In the early 1990s the MCI (recorded voice) auto-operator had a laugh in her delightful voice. I've known only two other women with such an alluring and enjoyable voice. I married one of them.
Google translate sounds like it's a 10 year old girl huffing helium.
Technology continues to advance.
Women and minorities hardest hit.
A comedy sketch based on the "telephone operator" voice [and on conditions in the Fifties when Bell Telephone was a monopoly and when, if you were not at home, you used a "dial" phone which was found in a little stand on the street like a Sunglass Hut with one phone inside it. ]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfLaY-R9kaU
I also found this video which shows 17-year-olds trying to use a rotary dial phone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHNEzndgiFI
In a theater group I once belonged to, we were doing a period piece that took place in the... I think it was the '40s. A young woman, maybe 20yo, had a role. This group performed in a large church nave that had been designed for multiple use, with heavy chairs that could be removed instead of pews - which meant that we couldn't set the stage until the week before the show, and had to mime our set (opening invisible doors, dusting invisible tables...) for all rehearsals until that last week.
At one point, this girl had to cross to a table and call for a cab. She knew there were no cellphones at that time, of course, but everyone over 40 in the cast (which was, frankly, just about everyone) quietly cracked up when she crossed to the invisible table and proceeded to push 10 buttons on the invisible phone.
She did have a lovely voice, though, and was a good actor. And a good sport - she didn't know why we were laughing at first until someone showed her a picture of the rotary phone she would've been using, but once she saw it, she laughed along with us.
Tell us you're getting paid by the word without telling us you get paid by the word.
Bagoh20: I have to leave the room when my husband listens to certain purportedly "conservative" podcasters because the men sound like teenage girls. It almost makes me miss Divine.
I worked two weeks on the Memphis toll operator board during the AT&T strike in 1968. One of my coworkers sometimes answered incoming calls with "The girls with the smile are gone for a while. The guys with the balls will handle your calls".
There’s still dude voice in the cockpit. I want to punch it in the face even though it doesn’t have one. RETARD! RETARD! Yah, thanks disembodied voice…
I love that John J…
Spotify has a DJ mode- and I don't think there's a voice choice- I also haven't looked. I used it a few times, but don't. It's smooth talking black male voice. Which I find annoying as all get out and go. Spotify had learned my song preferences when I tried DJ mode. So I didn't mind the song selection. But the voice was simply annoying.
For those who want to insist I can't tell if it's a black male voice- you're either misinformed or lying. Can't always tell if a voice is or isn't any particular race or national origin or even region of the country- but if you do identify it as black- you're 90% likely to correct, in numerous tests. Same with if you identify it from LongIsland. (deliberate no gap there...)
I am unsure why we care about how electronics have changed female voices, but I am concerned about communications between EWR ATCs and Area C Philly TRACON communications that wander on telephone line communications between Philly and Newark with a misdirect through the Long Island N90 TRACON.
Sean Duffy is going to fix the problem by installing a new direct line to Philly. But a direct line will take months to install and connect when replacing antiquated telecommunications with new fiber, wireless and satellite technologies would be faster and more effective.
And I wonder why little ACY airport in Atlantic City has its very own TRACON.
Siri has multiple voice options to choose from. There are five American voices, three of them male. I use American Voice 4, which is female. There are also multiple options for Australian (4 voices), British (4 voices), Indian (2 voices), Irish (2 voices), and South African (2 voices). No Scottish?
Valley girl "up-talk" -
---yes - so annoying!
Maybe set Siri to Marlon Brando yelling, "Steeeeeeela!"
John J said...
I worked two weeks on the Memphis toll operator board during the AT&T strike in 1968. One of my coworkers sometimes answered incoming calls with "The girls with the smile are gone for a while. The guys with the balls will handle your calls".
LMAO
A pre-condition of considering Alberta as the 51st state must be forswearing upspeak
Scott Walker - Time Operator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfaRGued-zY
While sitting in airports like O'Hare being bombarded by PA announcements that nobody listens to (they seemed to have toned this down recently), I have thought that it would be nice if they could get celebs with distinctive voices to volunteer to provide different announcements, like the callers in the Frazier TV show. People would listen and it would be fun to try and figure out who it is. Imagine Christopher Walken telling you not to leave your luggage unattended, or Sandra Bullock telling you that FAA regulations prohibit loaded on unloaded weapons in carryon bags . Maybe people would listen instead of just tuning it out.
Or maybe they could just stop them altogether.
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